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[Nostradamus]

I don't see how SP or Kishimoto expected anyone to buy that argument, or to be just fine and dandy with Naruto being that much of a jerk.

People that never followed the manga or the anime and are now newcomers will believe it. But if they go back and check either the manga or anime they'll see the truth.

[luffyq1]

even as a standalone movie it's still garbage xD. 

[NarutoUzumaki01]

even as a standalone movie it's still garbage xD. 

It's practically wish fulfillment for NH, don't talk nonsense!

[Liu bie]

Well you misinterpreted it. Naruto only views Sakura as a competition just like he views Hinata or any other girl. 

Who the hell wrote this crap anyway?

Oh man sigh...

Edited by Liu bie, 23 December 2014 - 12:22 AM.

[trang95]

even as a standalone movie it's still garbage xD. 

It's even less than trash and ought to get nominated for the Golden Raspberry.

Seriously, this must be the worst movie I've seen since Dragonball: Evolution and The Last Airbender (Liveaction of course)- closely followed by the first Twilight movie.

[James S Cassidy]

http://ohshizitsdomo...st/105804899242

Umm....what?
 

"So the idea of a [NH] love story wasn’t my idea at the start, however Pierrot staff suggested the movie to revolve around it (hence the final product being the way it is)." - Kishimoto

"でも別に二人の恋愛話に僕はあまり思い入れがなくて（笑）、その話を描くつもりはなかったんです。" - Kishimoto

“But I didn’t really have any devotion about the love story of the two-Naruto and Hinata- (lol). I didn’t plan to write this story.” - Kishimoto

 

 

 

I am not sure if this is true, but whatever.
 

I think people here overestimate Kishimoto's writing skills the man is just that bad, I too tought that maybe Kishi did what he did for money or because people around him told him X and Y were more popular than Z but altought that played a part the truth of the matter is that was Kishi's choice. The characters before Pain Arc were multifaceted after Pain arc they were reduced to obsessed freaks (Obito, Naruto, Sakura, Hinata, Sasuke) for no logical reason, everything was turned upside down and criminals psychopaths mass murderers and traitors were rewarded for their behaviors, the tone has clearly changed when before we were told "Those that break the rules and regulations are scum. But those who abandon their comrades are worse than scum.",

Yeah all know this already. The question we still have yet to answer is "Why?" Was it Kishimoto himself who made the decision or was it his editors? Was it something else? Even thought we probably will never get it, I wish we knew why and what the exact reasoning there was in this radical change in things.

Admittedly, yeah I was one who gave Kishi more credit than he deserves, but to be fair I thought the ending would make up for it. I thought things were going to wrap up nicely and maybe bring everything into something satisfactory where you can overlook the bad things. It has happened in other series. That was the more foolish thought than actually believing he was a good writer.

[DeathGodMack]

Anything new?

[NarutoUzumaki01]

http://ohshizitsdomo...st/105804899242

Umm....what?
 

 

 

I am not sure if this is true, but whatever.

It's pretty old and it's true. But problem is - NH is blind, they don't care.

[Chatte]

http://ohshizitsdomo...st/105804899242

Umm....what?
 

 

 

I am not sure if this is true, but whatever.

One it's from the pamphlet and the other one from the initial interviews.

[Nar123]

I read the article last year on someone's deviant art account last year that had the official same by of Kishi declaring NS week because of the RTN success and that interview he stated that NS was going to be the endgame pairing and announced the NS child name( forgot his name is) and it most of the casual and general Japanese fans knew the NS had plenty of development to become canon. The was no harm in doing that. I guess everything changed when Kishi's father passed away and gave up on his work.

Man, if kishi "oficialized" NS week we would've gotten news of it after RtN's success, this was most likely fake

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Man, if kishi "oficialized" NS week we would've gotten news of it after RtN's success, this was most likely fake

lol, but there is official NS week in japan, it was last year, don't know will it be this year because series practically killed it, but yeah... it was "official".

[Narufan85]

At this point, stuff Kishi says doesn't even phase me anymore. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

even as a standalone movie it's still garbage xD. 

So long that moment with Naruto being a pansy exist, the movie is bad. Canon wise, it's god awful. As a standalone, it's pretty bad. I guess SP filler writing skills has been exposed so bad.

[Atheck]

I read the article last year on someone's deviant art account last year that had the official same by of Kishi declaring NS week because of the RTN success and that interview he stated that NS was going to be the endgame pairing and announced the NS child name( forgot his name is) and it most of the casual and general Japanese fans knew the NS had plenty of development to become canon. The was no harm in doing that. I guess everything changed when Kishi's father passed away and gave up on his work.

 

So you got this information from some interview posted by an anonymous DA account? Sorry, but I wouldn't take anything that's claimed on an untrustworthy website like DA as the truth or valid. There's no evidence to suggest that Kishi ever gave any personal acknowledgement of the NS fandom like this. 

[James S Cassidy]

Listen, never held a child responsible for they're parents. I don't like Naruto and Hinata together, that doesn't mean I am going to hate they're children...

We all have our opinions, but let's not forget that these are fictional characters and not real ones.
 

One it's from the pamphlet and the other one from the initial interviews.

 

First time I heard of this...no make that the first time I heard it spoken like this.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 23 December 2014 - 12:45 AM.

[Tiller]

I'll be honest... I haven't seen much from this "NS week" stuff despite people talking about it. Is it just a fan event in Japan?

[NarutoUzumaki01]

I'll be honest... I haven't seen much from this "NS week" stuff despite people talking about it. Is it just a fan event in Japan?

Yeah... and what did you think? It's something that is promoted by TV or what? 

[Tsuki Hoshino]

I don't read too many Western comics, but yeah, that seems to happen a lot. I mean, sheesh, even in the Sonic comics I used to read. Sooo much hype about the pairings that didn't need to be there.

Meh, I slip in and out of the western comic book scene. Sometimes its REALLY good, like Under The hood ( DC) Civil war (marvel) and sometimes its really bad...

Like Harley Quinn's new super hooker getup  
hatehatehatehatehaaaaate it.  

 

i love ss/ww 

Well, to each their own. I liked Zutara better then Kataang, so who am I to judge?

But something about the idea of Lois being inferior to WW in regards to Superman because she's a "normal human" bothers me...  

 

[Tiller]

But something about the idea of Lois being inferior to WW in regards to Superman because she's a "normal human" bothers me...  

 

 

My problem with it is two folds. First and foremost Lois Lane is based on the woman who Jerry Siegel eventually married. Hell had Jerry had his way Superman and Lois Lane would have been together back in the early 40s with The K-Metal From Krypton. For me if nothing else they shouldn't be split up for that very reason. DC Comics screwed over Siegel enough as it is.

 

Second honestly a lot of fans of SM/WW pissed me off when it was first announced. People who says things like "WW has the body look at those kittens why wouldn't Superman tap that?" (A debate I had once basically amounted to "WW can handle Superman's big D look at that ass!!! Lois isn't half the woman WW is! Lois is what a C cup at most? Superman wouldn't waste his time with that!") The beta males who follow that ship piss me off. Now I'm sure there are people who support SM/WW who aren't dirt bags, but it's hard to ignore certain fans when you've had these debates in the past. For awhile SM/WW was not represented well, and for me really was an example of what is wrong with modern comics. So tired of seeing 40 year old men drooling over pictures of a woman who is suppose to be a symbol of empowerment... but instead is just used as a sex object for their fantasies. Again I know not every SM/WW fan is like that, but frankly some members of that fandom ruined that ship for me long ago.

 

I'm not really a fan of comics right now though. Only DC comic I still look into is Fables, which is coming to a close. Besides that the only western comic I keep up with now is The Walking Dead.

 

Still if nothing else there are different universes for DC and Marvel characters, so you have some options in that regard. With Naruto we have nothing now but what we as fans make. We've been kicked out of the fandom, and honestly Kishimoto can go to hell for that.

[James S Cassidy]

But something about the idea of Lois being inferior to WW in regards to Superman because she's a "normal human" bothers me...  
 

 

 

I don't think the comics are really trying to say that. I mean, look at Batman's love affair. He has dated so many female villains, heroes. and the like yet everyone finds this okay or acceptable. Meanwhile, if Superman even thinks of someone else people get mad. So Batman is okay to be a playboy, but Superman is not?

Funny though, but Superman and Wonder Woman is not a new concept and has been around since the silver age of DC comics. People keep saying "Batman and Wonder Woman," but that coupling only existed in the cartoons, not the comics. People have their own taste, but I wish people stop saying things like "Lois Lane humanizes Superman." Not, it was Johnathen and Martha Kent who humanized him and gave him the moral he grew up with. Lois Lane may have loved Superman, but she never really humanized him and in some instances she was nothing more than a girl he fell in love with.

I can also say that Superman and Wonder Woman can work because with both of them being Super heroes and facing dangers together they can build a connection on that and there are some amazing scenes with them together. I think one of my favorite moments is when Diana was injured and well not sure she was dying, but Superman was injured by a nuclear explosion that some how over saturated his cells and made absorbing sunlight hurt him. Despite his own pain and near death, Superman flew Wonder Woman to Mascara to get her healed despite it. So they have great moments that mean a lot.

So to me, it all depends on the writer.

People don't have to like SS and WW, but it is not a bad thing to have them together if given the right stuff like this

 

My problem with it is two folds. First and foremost Lois Lane is based on the woman who Jerry Siegel eventually married. Hell had Jerry had his way Superman and Lois Lane would have been together back in the early 40s with The K-Metal From Krypton. For me if nothing else they shouldn't be split up for that very reason. DC Comics screwed over Siegel enough as it is.

 

Second honestly a lot of fans of SM/WW pissed me off when it was first announced. People who says things like "WW has the body look at those kittens why wouldn't Superman tap that?" (A debate I had once basically amounted to "WW can handle Superman's big D look at that ass!!! Lois isn't half the woman WW is! Lois is what a C cup at most? Superman wouldn't waste his time with that!") The beta males who follow that ship piss me off. Now I'm sure there are people who support SM/WW who aren't dirt bags, but it's hard to ignore certain fans when you've had these debates in the past. For awhile SM/WW was not represented well, and for me really was an example of what is wrong with modern comics. So tired of seeing 40 year old men drooling over pictures of a woman who is suppose to be a symbol of empowerment... but instead is just used as a sex object for their fantasies. Again I know not every SM/WW fan is like that, but frankly some members of that fandom ruined that ship for me long ago.

 

I'm not really a fan of comics right now though. Only DC comic I still look into is Fables, which is coming to a close. Besides that the only western comic I keep up with now is The Walking Dead.

 

Still if nothing else there are different universes for DC and Marvel characters, so you have some options in that regard. With Naruto we have nothing now but what we as fans make. We've been kicked out of the fandom, and honestly Kishimoto can go to hell for that.

Again, this just proves it is not the comics....but rather it is the fanbases who ruin it.

-sigh- which is sad because SS and WW do have amazing scenes that really show true love.

SM/WW

Edited by James S Cassidy, 23 December 2014 - 01:21 AM.