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[narulsaku]

it's been 4 days i've been absent absent from this site, i missed it XD. well, busy with summer fun


well that how like most of hinata fans argues cause they're desperate to find any remains they could fit in as an argument after they knew that there's no chance for hinata

yes i agree with that. and also i don think that kisi should give so much things to hinata. i mean look at kiba , akamaru, shino. and others . kisi didnt gave importantance to them. i think he gave naruhina fans chances to think that its the main pairing. like pein and naruto fight hinata jumped. and so many other time. the naruhina fans think that those are some NH moments. what do you guys think.

[T XD]

yes i agree with that. and also i don think that kisi should give so much things to hinata. i mean look at kiba , akamaru, shino. and others . kisi didnt gave importantance to them. i think he gave naruhina fans chances to think that its the main pairing. like pein and naruto fight hinata jumped. and so many other time. the naruhina fans think that those are some NH moments. what do you guys think.

he gave some more panels to hinata than the other support characters just for fan service and there is her role as being interested in the protagonist so with these two statements, kishi is producing more panels to hinata than for the other support characters but there is some NH fans who didn't ask this question to themselves so they are clueless.
kishi knows everything that is going on between shippers from arguments to shipping wars.

[PachucoDesigns]

I can't believe how many people here have actually convinced themselves that Kishimoto gives a crap one way or the other about the pairing wars. Isn't this supposed to be the debate thread? Where is the irrefutable proof for this? Because so far, all I see are countless instances of begging the question, over thinking and wild speculation. This is the equivalent of a man running a puppet theater for his bread and butter, hearing a fanatical audience obsessing over certain puppets, and then thinking he is doing things behind the veil just to antagonize the fans. Do you really think he intends to risk upsetting the fans, effectively trumping his own sales? It's ridiculous. He says that he has changes planned, but that most likely simply means changes that are to be expected in the story, not changes he decided to make to his plans at the last minute on the suggestion of the shippers.

I know what it's like to create a character in both personality/history profile and visual design. And there is no way he's spent all of that time perfecting his characters just to aggravate NS or NH. The flaws you find in Hinata? The things that annoy you? Those flaws are planned and intentional.

Edited by PachucoDesigns, 28 August 2012 - 01:43 PM.

[Nefertieh]

Well the part where I said that he was taking a shot to Hinata fanboys who constantly bash Sakura can be exaggerations, I want to believe that he created that scene to highlight Sakura discomfort finding out about Hinata's feelings.

I think it does make an interesting plot point -- the manga is clearly stating that Sakura knows Hinata's feelings. Kishimoto could have written Hinata being resurrected by Pein, but he didn't.

About the rest, he did say something about Hinata in an Adult magazine one of the users who was translating the latest news for the movie did say that.
This part is because he probably is annoyed with Hinata's loud fans since he already gave us a reason why he created Hinata, but then the fact that he and the Anime Team are exposing her B so much lately does make people question his words.

Apparently that was from the Japanese Playboy. I don't know if it is really honest or not, perhaps he only said something so sexist because it was what the reporter wanted to hear.

I can't believe how many people here have actually convinced themselves that Kishimoto gives a crap one way or the other about the pairing wars. Isn't this supposed to be the debate thread? Where is the irrefutable proof for this? Because so far, all I see are countless instances of begging the question, over thinking and wild speculation. This is the equivalent of a man running a puppet theater for his bread and butter, hearing a fanatical audience obsessing over certain puppets, and then thinking he is doing things behind the veil just to antagonize the fans. Do you really think he intends to risk upsetting the fans, effectively trumping his own sales? It's ridiculous. He says that he has changes planned, but that most likely simply means changes that are to be expected in the story, not changes he decided to make to his plans at the last minute on the suggestion of the shippers.

People here are just sharing speculations and opinions. I don't always agree with everything, but we should try to be mature and respectable to other people's opinions.

Considering he probably has enough royalties to guarantee himself and his children an easy life, I doubt he cares about "sales" either.

You know, it's mind blowing that the anime actually created this episode solely to explain Naruto's love for Sakura. This episode is what I see, "If you didn't finish the puzzle, here's the answer." It's funny because we all knew this, yet this episode is released to express his love and we weren't wrong. The anime feels like they are really confident that NaruSaku is the endgame. Anime studios do push pairing to the roof, so I guess we should be happy that NaruSaku is the one. Rejoice.

I personally think the anime should try to leave out writing filler parts for something as crucial as the main character's feelings. I for one personally didn't like it, it sounded like Sakura wasn't as important to him as say, becoming hokage.

Edited by Nefertieh, 28 August 2012 - 02:09 PM.

[Branden]

We've already beaten the hell out of every subject imagineable. Do you really expect us to come up with some genius view of the story that makes perfect sense to everyone? Most of the things I originally came here to discuss have been discussed multiple times already.... We either got 2 choices, try to keep things new, or repeat old topics that most people already know the responses for.

[T XD]

I can't believe how many people here have actually convinced themselves that Kishimoto gives a crap one way or the other about the pairing wars. Isn't this supposed to be the debate thread? Where is the irrefutable proof for this? Because so far, all I see are countless instances of begging the question, over thinking and wild speculation. This is the equivalent of a man running a puppet theater for his bread and butter, hearing a fanatical audience obsessing over certain puppets, and then thinking he is doing things behind the veil just to antagonize the fans. Do you really think he intends to risk upsetting the fans, effectively trumping his own sales? It's ridiculous. He says that he has changes planned, but that most likely simply means changes that are to be expected in the story, not changes he decided to make to his plans at the last minute on the suggestion of the shippers.

I know what it's like to create a character in both personality/history profile and visual design. And there is no way he's spent all of that time perfecting his characters just to aggravate NS or NH. The flaws you find in Hinata? The things that annoy you? Those flaws are planned and intentional.

it's not about the sales and not about how kishi thinks either, i don't read minds . But i can think of a possible logical cause that could explain things that a person can do

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I can't believe how many people here have actually convinced themselves that Kishimoto gives a crap one way or the other about the pairing wars. Isn't this supposed to be the debate thread? Where is the irrefutable proof for this? Because so far, all I see are countless instances of begging the question, over thinking and wild speculation. This is the equivalent of a man running a puppet theater for his bread and butter, hearing a fanatical audience obsessing over certain puppets, and then thinking he is doing things behind the veil just to antagonize the fans. Do you really think he intends to risk upsetting the fans, effectively trumping his own sales? It's ridiculous. He says that he has changes planned, but that most likely simply means changes that are to be expected in the story, not changes he decided to make to his plans at the last minute on the suggestion of the shippers.

I know what it's like to create a character in both personality/history profile and visual design. And there is no way he's spent all of that time perfecting his characters just to aggravate NS or NH. The flaws you find in Hinata? The things that annoy you? Those flaws are planned and intentional.

You think kishimoto is a very good writer when he failed a lot of times, he failed to express things that he wanted to do and showed the complete opposite he even admitted this on interviews, he's not good on doing romantice scenes and sometimes he make things without carefull planning, we see some of this recently at sasuke/itachi meeting.
he dont care if he cares or not about pairings wars but he got very upset when he received a letter from NH fan saying that he would stop buying things if hinata does not end with naruto, so i dont give a kitten about pairing wars.
Kishimoto does not need to think about fanservice because his editors do it for him.

Edited by dovahkiin, 28 August 2012 - 03:22 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You think kishimoto is a very good writer when he failed a lot of times, he failed to express things that he wanted to do and showed the complete opposite he even admitted this on interviews, he's not good on doing romantice scenes and sometimes he make things without carefull planning, we see some of this recently at sasuke/itachi meeting.
he dont care if he cares or not about pairings wars but he got very upset when he received a letter from NH fan saying that he would stop buying things if hinata does not end with naruto, so i dont give a kitten about pairing wars.
Kishimoto does not need to think about fanservice because his editors do it for him.

I know what you mean.

The last thing I want is him going against his own work by fanservicing it up and go with the fan's direction. Stuff like that ruins the manga from being great. I hate stuff like that happens. Not sure what manga did it, but I know anime got this effect.

[redragon88]

Apparently that was from the Japanese Playboy. I don't know if it is really honest or not, perhaps he only said something so sexist because it was what the reporter wanted to hear.

I still can't get over the fact that Naruto was a subject of conversation in Playboy Magazine.

It shows you the influence Naruto has in Japan.

I personally think the anime should try to leave out writing filler parts for something as crucial as the main character's feelings. I for one personally didn't like it, it sounded like Sakura wasn't as important to him as say, becoming hokage.

Think about it this way, if people disliked the idea of Naruto being the Hokage I'm sure he wouldn't take the positing and force it upon them. The same logic applies to Sakura. Naruto wants more than anything in the world for her to love him back, but he won't force her to be with him if there's still part of her that feels reluctant about it.

What's most important for Naruto is not to be with Sakura, it's for her to be happy. So if that were to mean that he couldn't be with her than he would accept it because he loves her. But of course since Naruto is not one to give up so easily so he'll keep trying until he's 100% sure that he wouldn't be able to bring Sakura that happiness he wants her to have.

The purpose of episode 235 was to show that even though Naruto is aware that Sakura still has feelings for Sasuke he by no means has any plans to give up on her. It shows us that Naruto still thoroughly believes that he's capable of bringing Sakura the happiness she deserves.

[candycane-chan]

[quote name='redragon88' date='Aug 28 2012,

It shows you the influence Naruto has in Japan.
Think about it this way, if people disliked the idea of Naruto being the Hokage I'm sure he wouldn't take the positing and force it upon them. The same logic applies to Sakura. Naruto wants more than anything in the world for her to love him back, but he won't force her to be with him if there's still part of her that feels reluctant about it.

What's most important for Naruto is not to be with Sakura, it's for her to be happy. So if that were to mean that he couldn't be with her than he would accept it because he loves her. But of course since Naruto is not one to give up so easily so he'll keep trying until he's 100% sure that he wouldn't be able to bring Sakura that happiness he wants her to have.

The purpose of episode 235 was to show that even though Naruto is aware that Sakura still has feelings for Sasuke he by no means has any plans to give up on her. It shows us that Naruto still thoroughly believes that he's capable of bringing Sakura the happiness she deserves.
[/quote] this is what i thought about that episode....and what is this about plaboy and naruto i here

Edited by candycane-chan, 28 August 2012 - 07:39 PM.

[HalfStarStudios]

Wow. So there's actually someone out there that thinks Kishimoto "doesn't give a hoot" about Hinata? You know, the character he so carefully wrote, designed, and repeatedly draws over and over? Have to say, I've never heard of an author or artist who "doesn't give a hoot" about one of his own characters.

This. If he didn't give a hoot about her then he wouldn't have given her more screen time than most of the Konoha 11 minus Naruto,Sakura,Shikamaru and Chouji.

Edited by HalfStarStudios, 28 August 2012 - 11:25 PM.

[Don-kun]

This. If he didn't give a hoot about her then he wouldn't have given her more screen time than most of the Konoha 11 minus Naruto,Sakura,Shikamaru and Chouji.

If Hinata at lease would have gotten 50% of the development Itachi, Naruto or Sasuke had, them I would of agree with you two, Kishi does forget his character and now and again he brings them out to please the fans that love the character. Kishi doesn't give a hoot about is Side characters or non Uchihas, we have been reading this man's story for a long time and we act like if this is any new news.

[Traci]

If Hinata at lease would have gotten 50% of the development Itachi, Naruto or Sasuke had, them I would of agree with you two, Kishi does forget his character and now and again he brings them out to please the fans that love the character. Kishi doesn't give a hoot about is Side characters or non Uchihas, we have been reading this man's story for a long time and we act like if this is any new news.

Well, obviously, when you compare her to Naruto, Kishimoto doesn't give a hoot about her. Yet, like stand alone, I agree with Pacheco and I think he does care about her, like he probably cares about all his characters to at least some degree.

[Don-kun]

Well, obviously, when you compare her to Naruto, Kishimoto doesn't give a hoot about her. Yet, like stand alone, I agree with Pacheco and I think he does care about her, like he probably cares about all his characters to at least some degree.

Sorry but I don't agree if he does greatly care about her character then he have a real hoot up way of showing it, the girl has zero development with her family her friends or even her love interest, at the moment she is a pairing fodder, she is shown to care about what she wants despite the fact that her character suppose to represent a very nice person quality.
Kishi as made Hinata character delusional, that's the only way you can look at it since Naruto loves another girl and has never thought about Hinatas romantic feelings, but she said that next time they will walk together holding hands, when she never been close to him, care about him in a personal level, thought about his problems, his friends, his desire, nothing.

Edited by NS means logic, 29 August 2012 - 02:42 AM.

[merryGOflava]

hmm...i dont think that an author could give a hoot about a character they created :o each character has a purpose.....

hinata's purpose is to like naruto :o its a simple purpose...but it doesnt mean kishi doesnt care about her.

of course he still focuses most of his energy on his main characters, becuase their purposes are more important to the story.


but it still doesnt mean minor characters like hinata are simply forgotten :o

[Don-kun]

Has Gravenimage said, Hinata is just pairing fodder for Naruto period.
When Kishi shows something else about her character them, I will believe that he has high expectations for her, but for now I believe that for Kishi Hinata is just pairing fodder for Naruto and nothing else.

[GlucoseGlutton]

Sorry go to off topic (well not off the main topic I think) but I have a quick question/ I need to know if something is true. So I'm on Sakura's profile page on Narutopedia (Sakura Haruno) and in the creation/character conception part it says that, "Although, Sakura is the most reccuring female character in Naruto, Masashi Kishimoto did not originally intend for Sakura to be the heroine of the series." Is that true ?

[merryGOflava]

Sorry go to off topic (well not off the main topic I think) but I have a quick question/ I need to know if something is true. So I'm on Sakura's profile page on Narutopedia (Sakura Haruno) and in the creation/character conception part it says that, "Although, Sakura is the most reccuring female character in Naruto, Masashi Kishimoto did not originally intend for Sakura to be the heroine of the series." Is that true ?

uhhh i dont think he said that....he didnt have ANY heroine in mind at first :o

i heard that it was just gonna be about naruto and a teacher(kakashi maybe)

then his editors said that adding a love interest and a rival would be interesting :3

so he made sakura the heroine and sasuke his main rival.

thus sakura and sasuke were born :DDD

i think people (mostly sakura haters) make what he says seem extreme....when its not supposed to be taken that way......

like how kishi said that at first, sakura wasnt that cute at first (because he couldnt draw girls)
but people (again sakura haters mostly) thought that he thought sakura was an ugly character.....

Edited by merryGOflava, 29 August 2012 - 05:43 AM.

[GlucoseGlutton]

uhhh i dont think he said that....he didnt have ANY heroine in mind at first :o

i heard that it was just gonna be about naruto and a teacher(kakashi maybe)

then his editors said that adding a love interest and a rival would be interesting :3

so he made sakura the heroine and sasuke his main rival.

thus sakura and sasuke were born :DDD

i think people (mostly sakura haters) make what he says seem extreme....when its not supposed to be taken that way......

like how kishi said that at first, sakura wasnt that cute at first (because he couldnt draw girls)
but people (again sakura haters mostly) thought that he thought sakura was an ugly character.....

Oh they made it sound like there was suppose to be someone else which was really weird but it's a good thing his editors said that. Though I love Naruto and Kakashi to pieces a team made up of only those two wouldn't be as interesting as the current Team 7. I really don't get people who bash on characters either but thanks for answering my question !

[Nefertieh]

I still can't get over the fact that Naruto was a subject of conversation in Playboy Magazine.

It shows you the influence Naruto has in Japan.

Well, Marge did also pose for Playboy. Just sayin'.

Think about it this way, if people disliked the idea of Naruto being the Hokage I'm sure he wouldn't take the positing and force it upon them. The same logic applies to Sakura. Naruto wants more than anything in the world for her to love him back, but he won't force her to be with him if there's still part of her that feels reluctant about it.

No, I just didn't like how the anime made it sound Naruto made his mind up that he would be content without Sakura. Not that he should become a stalker.

I also want to hear Naruto's thoughts on Sakura -- in the actual manga. Apart from chapter 3, we've hardly had any input on his feelings about Sakura. The anime making up their own monologue is only going to run into potential continuity problems. Just like the Tsubasa Chronicle fillers, who gave Kurogane another name, only to run into a plot hole when the manga revealed his real name.

What's most important for Naruto is not to be with Sakura, it's for her to be happy. So if that were to mean that he couldn't be with her than he would accept it because he loves her. But of course since Naruto is not one to give up so easily so he'll keep trying until he's 100% sure that he wouldn't be able to bring Sakura that happiness he wants her to have.

Whether that is canon or not should depend on Kishimoto, not the fillers.

The purpose of episode 235 was to show that even though Naruto is aware that Sakura still has feelings for Sasuke he by no means has any plans to give up on her. It shows us that Naruto still thoroughly believes that he's capable of bringing Sakura the happiness she deserves.

Except the part where he says he's content if she doesn't chose him.