Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 09 March 2016 - 01:53 AM
@nate river
They met in iron country after sasuke fiasco, but they don't interact.
Atleast it's better than suddenly sakura & Karin are friend or in the last she's best friend with Hinata because we said so.
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 09 March 2016 - 02:00 AM
Yes, it's. Sakura romantically love sasuke. It's what make the love triangle happen in the first place.
Even if it degrading her character, it's still love.
It isn't.
Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 09 March 2016 - 02:25 AM
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 09 March 2016 - 02:26 AM
Missing-nin
Posted 09 March 2016 - 02:29 AM
Let me say this:
Before the ending, it was debatable on Sakura.
Now, it is love and it's purely awful.
She didn't know the truth about bench scene. It's a fake/false love.
An out of control man needs a strong woman to control him.
And even a violent woman will become soft and tender to the man she love.
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 09 March 2016 - 02:35 AM
@nostradamus
Yes, it's.
No matter how many times you're going to say it is. It isn't.
Either you don't understand what love is Oh baby, don't hurt me 
or you're too stubborn to admit that you're wrong.
Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 09 March 2016 - 02:38 AM
Missing-nin
Posted 09 March 2016 - 02:43 AM
Well, Kishi now said yes. Don't look at me...
Who care what he said, the material and evidence from cannon manga is what matter, his word and interview is just script from SP.
An out of control man needs a strong woman to control him.
And even a violent woman will become soft and tender to the man she love.
Jounin
Posted 09 March 2016 - 02:48 AM
Who care what he said, the material and evidence from cannon manga is what matter, his word and interview is just script from SP.
Missing-nin
Posted 09 March 2016 - 02:58 AM
The canon manga which he wrote. His word is canon whether we like it or not
Don't put me in same boat as you , you accept fate while i don't 
An out of control man needs a strong woman to control him.
And even a violent woman will become soft and tender to the man she love.
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 09 March 2016 - 03:54 AM
Even before the ending, sakura love sasuke.Let me say this:
Before the ending, it was debatable on Sakura.
Now, it is love and it's purely awful.
Chakra Tree Climber
Posted 09 March 2016 - 04:09 AM
The Kage Summit Arc is one of the worst Arcs ever for Sakura, pre-War Arc and Ending. It was the Arc that Haters would rub on pro Sakura fans faces. It was also the Arc that grew the most Haters. Kishi was addressed about the Summit Arc in JF. Even the JP fans say that Sakura was not acting as a heroine from that Arc, and that lately Hinata was given more of a heroine role.
In the west, excluding majority SNS shippers, majority of Sakura haters wanted Sakura to do one thing; stab Sasuke.
You have a confession that is controversial against pro/antis, her drugging her own teammates, her not stabbing Sasuke just after he attempted to kill her once, bringing Naruto and Kakash into rescuing her, for her to make the final decision that she will now let Naruto and Sasuke deal with each other, stay in the background, when previously she stated how she will fight together with Naruto for Sasuke. She didn't act like a heroine at all from this arc.
If Sakura even gave Sasuke a cut, not actually stab him, it would have at least gave notice to Sakura's growth, that this is no longer the same Sasuke and that she is over her crush and that she is doing this for Naruto.
But she didn't. And worse, she was having flashbacks of her moments with Sasuke part 1, which heavily implies that Sasuke still has a soft spot in her heart. It would have been fine if Sasuke hadn't tried to murder her the first time behind her back.
I agree with antis in that this arc gave no importance to Sakura other than create problems that would have been avoided of dealt with properly. Kishi did not have to plot Sakura drugging her teammates, or write her still being in love with Sasuke.
Agree.
Hello, Hello, Hello! 
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 09 March 2016 - 04:22 AM
Chakra Tree Climber
Posted 09 March 2016 - 04:30 AM
Even before the ending, sakura love sasuke.
I don't think it's debatable.
Why it's a big deal that sakura love sasuke?
Does it mean naruto has no chance to win sakura hearth?
It will be over if sasuke love sakura back making ss mutual love and not oneside.
Agree.
That was one of the reasons why Sakura had a dedicated hate base (along with how Kishinev treated her development). Sakura was in love with Sasuke from ch. 3 till 700.
A lot of antis even said that they are willing to respect Sakura a little if she just gets over Sasuke, that's it. The love was obvious.
The issue was that Kishi also developed Sakura into having deeper feelings for Naruto and that NS might not be one-sided anymore. But while he was developing NS, he didn't give SS closure.
At first there wasn't a need for SS closure, Sakura would have just realized that she loved Naruto and that's it, no need for her romantic feelings for Sasuke to be addressed because she no longer carries it. Sasuke is just a comrade who needs saving.
But then her loyalty for Sasuke reached to a point where it became baffling. Now we needed a reason. Her rejecting the love letter ninja because Sasuke makes no sense after she almost killed twice. Then you have Sasuke announcing on destroying everything in his path including love ones, and Sakura is left begging if she still had a place in her heart.
Then you have scenes where anytime Sasuke shows up in Sakura's vision, she pauses and momentarily forgets everything but him.
Hello, Hello, Hello!
Chakra Tree Climber
Posted 09 March 2016 - 04:36 AM
@neon ranger
What make the kage summit arc bad because there's no conclusion for her in that arc. Unlike sasuke and naruto who get setting up to their final fight.
Sakura getting shaft.
Naruto confession would be the time when she's choose naruto or not. She could still love sasuke before that.
@nostradamus
She's in love with sasuke. What make you think the love triangle happen in the first place?
Oh, I know. I just felt that Kishi should have used this arc as Sakura getting over Sasuke romantically and make the confession more NS (by that I mean having it talked about towards the end of the arc, but not establishing feelings just yet).
Hello, Hello, Hello!
I'm the Greatest Ever!!
Posted 09 March 2016 - 05:20 AM
I'm gonna disagree, because it showcased just how far Sakura was willing to go to end both Naruto's and Sasuke's pain, even if it wasn't the most thought out, nor best executed. Sakura was more of a ninja then either of the guys because of this, but I gotta agree with Nazimaki Clan on this one, the Summit Arc is one of the most pointless arcs to date, nothing it set up really got accomplished, bar that world war, but Sasuke's "ambition" sure changed pretty damn quickly after that arc. "I'm gonna destroy the Leaf and everyone in it" to "I'm gonna become Hokage of the Leaf and thrust the world into a revolution."
Edited by MangaReader, 09 March 2016 - 05:10 PM.
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 09 March 2016 - 09:40 AM
She's in love with sasuke. What make you think the love triangle happen in the first place?
1. Because Yahagi, his first editor, suggested it claiming it would bring more readers in and make the characters seem more human.
2. Kishimoto never describes Sakura's "thing" for Sasuke as love, but rather obsession. When you equate what it is with "a drug addiction" then it is not love. Same with Naruto and Hinata. If you equate it to "feeling sorry for someone" then I cannot claim it to be love.
I'm sorry, but this is how it stands. I don't care what the chapters have her character say and I don't care what the assistant says. The fact that Kishimoto can't even justify it outside of the manga space itself means that even he doesn't think it is love. So what is it? Well, it is a forced plot point that has no bearing and was merely a means to make "a new generation."
And no, there is nothing anyone can say to prove to me otherwise. I don't care. It is not love. It will never be love. Anyone who thinks it is love is in for a rude awakening and deserves to be abused by the guy they think is loving when he does this kind of stuff. People always want to say they want to make their own decisions...well, then people have to learn that all decisions have consequences.
Hey Kishimoto, how does Naruto and Sasuke feel about their relationships.
Kishimoto: "...........*tumbleweed blows by*"
Yeah, that is what I thought....
We also have to keep in mind if Kishimoto was actually going to go with the original idea of Naruto, there was a good chance Sakura was SUPPOSED to get over Sasuke and go with Naruto, but because of the lies of other people he didn't do that. We know how influential fans can be seeing how several plot elements have changed over the course of the manga like how in the Sasuke retrieval arc Neji was supposed to die, but didn't.
Rocci, you have to get rid of the idea that these characters have wills of their own...they don't. They are whatever Kishimoto says they are and if Kishimoto says it is not love, but addiction, then it is not love. It is addiction. Sasuke is more like heroine to Sakura for some strange reason. A person cannot be in love with inanimate objects.
If anything Sakura is in love with an idea....not a person. Same with Hinata. She is in love with an idea...not a person.
Edited by James S Cassidy, 09 March 2016 - 10:30 AM.
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 09 March 2016 - 09:59 AM
"Rocci, you have to get rid of the idea that these characters have will's of their own...they don't."
Kishimoto admitted in an interview with that juice analogy. That if he needs to he will change his characters personalities, desires, and interest.
The problem is that we can't use the ending to figure out what the characters were thinking in the Land of Iron arc because their personalities could be completely different from back then. Because Kishi needed all the characters to change entirely their goal their interest their desires their arcs everything for the ending to happen. At the time Kishi said Sakura was honest about her feelings for Naruto. The thing Naruto question was if Sakura was completely over Sasuke, not the confession itself. That image during the war arc did not come off as positive about her feeling for Sasuke. And when Sai asked her about how she feel now that Sasuke was fighting with them to defeat the ten tail and wanted to become hokage (ie will have to return to the village). She said she was fine but Sai notice her smile was fake. But now we have to ignore all of that because of the ending. Because everything in the story contradicts with the ending. IT. IS. WHY. WE. ALL. HATE. THE. ENDING. NOT! BECAUSE. OF. THE. PAIRINGS. BUT. BECAUSE. IT. CONTRADICTS. THE. ENTIRE. STORY. If it didn't we all wouldn't still be complaining about it.
Edited by Bail o' Lies, 09 March 2016 - 10:26 AM.
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 09 March 2016 - 10:26 AM
"Rocci, you have to get rid of the idea that these characters have will's of their own...they don't."
Kishimoto admitted in an interview with that juice analogy. That if he needs to he will change his characters personalities, desires, and interest.
The problem is that we can't use the ending to figure out what the characters were thinking in the Land of Iron arc because their personalities could be completely different from back then. Because Kishi needed the characters to change for the ending to happen. At the time Kishi said Sakura was honest about her feelings for Naruto. The thing Naruto question was if Sakura was completely over Sasuke. That image during the war arc did not come off as positive about her feeling for Sasuke. And when Sai asked her about how she feel now that Sasuke was fighting with them to defeat the ten tail and wanted to become hokage (ie will have to return to the village). She said she was fine but Sai notice her smile was fake. But now we have to ignore all of that because of the ending because everything contradicts with it. IT. IS. WHY. WE. ALL. HATE. THE. ENDING. NOT! BECAUSE. OF. THE. PAIRINGS. BUT. BECAUSE. IT. CONTRADICTS. THE. ENTIRE. STORY.
Exactly. Same with Naruto too. If Sai was meant to play this "down to Earth, keep it real" character as I feel he was, then as he said "Even I can tell Naruto is in love with you." We know Naruto was in love with Sakura the whole time, but in a matter of one movie and several series later....all of sudden Naruto was never in love with Sakura and was in love with Hinata the whole time...or something. Then look what happened? Sai is no longer in the picture and everything he said was tossed aside. We don't even hear from Sai anymore.
I don't know anymore because these characters change their personalities so frequently that it is hard to tell anything anymore. The characters are pretty much unrecognizable.
So is Sakura truly in love with Sakura since chapter 3? The answer....it doesn't matter because everything from Chapter 1 to chapter 698 is completely irrelevant. Whatever original idea it was is irrelevant.
Kishimoto: "They might get a divorce..."
Hmmmm....well, if it is true love, why would they get a divorce?
"If Sasuke likes tea, he likes tea, but if I need him to like juice...then I will make him like juice."
-Kishimoto.
Great logic...it basically means..."they are whatever I want them to be at that time."
Edited by James S Cassidy, 09 March 2016 - 10:29 AM.
Chakra Water Walker
Posted 09 March 2016 - 10:32 AM
I agree, but for a different reason. I believe Kishi really tried to write something he thought was great with this arc. You don't defend what you wrote the way he did at the time if you didn't put in some real effort. He just failed at it though all because of his infatuation with Sasuke. That arc didn't just make Sakura look bad but it also made Naruto look pathetic.
The sole reason both characters came off looking so bad was Kishi's insistence to emphasize how obsessed they were over Sasuke. To truly engrain how important Sasuke was to the plot. From detailing the sob story of the Uchiha massacre to having Naruto grovel at the feet of the raikage in Sasuke's name. Then the confession, it's rejection and the devaluing of the POAL. All to be capped off by neither character willing to truly harm him despite two attempts on Sakura's life. Sasuke's character was the ruin of this manga.
And as far as Sakura actually loving Sasuke. If the author can't make up his mind as to whether they're in love then I can't really say they are.
Edited by BlackBird19, 09 March 2016 - 10:34 AM.
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