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[rocci]

His death was long overdue.

He will cheat death again, will he? Or maybe naruto will bail him out again? Nah who know.

[ioria]

His death was long overdue.

 

I know, but.. will Naruto heal him ..? Ew

[BakeNeko-Chan]

Is Obito finally going to die? About time.  Sorry, I know there are people here who like his character, but I'll be happy when he's finally gone. It would have been better if he were to live and face the consequences of all the kitten he's done, but that was never going to happen, so I say good riddance. Now I just hope he won't be able to cheat death again.

 

Overall it was an alright chapter, a little boring to me though. I did like the part where Naruto had to take the time in the middle of the fight to ask Sasuke if he thanked Sakura and Obito, like he's a little kid or something. "Now Sasuke, remember your manners."

 

I'm really hoping that the last chapter wasn't the end of Sakura's involvement. I don't know what she'll be able to do now though.

[Chatte]

Yeah i think you're reading to much into it. I mean honestly if we are to take your logic of covers having foreshadowing elements that will happen in the manga then it would appear Team 7 is gonna be in an AU where they're riding horses, wearing cowboy hats and firing revolvers. Sorry but i can't see that happening in the manga. This is just Kishi having some fun with his characters and giving some fan service to SS fans. Yeah he's teasing us. He's fully aware of the pairing wars and is exploiting that.

Well, given that most of my theories that came true did have the manga covers as support I wouldn't say reading too much into it, but meh...

[六道仙人]

Wow... Su much bad mood bere:(

[Change]

Haha, thanks dear! Well, I personally, without sounding all mighty or anything, I do know when it's safe to keep your head high and when it's safe to be well.. on the safe side. Not saying others don't or that I'm better, but sometimes, the crazyness that's going around it is with a substance. BUt anyway, I really should stop talking as I don't like the sense I'm making myself either. I know what i have in my head, but in the expressing department, I am not doing that well today. Hell of a week to get no sleep, lol.
 
 
And I understand he doesn't want, after all, that's where the mystery lies, but don't push it more than it is necessary, you know, or else you loose credibility and then wonder why people tell you Hinata would make a better heroine than Sakura and that Sakura is lying to Naruto and all that.
He is doing this with his own hands. 
 
 
But I'm not interested in telling others I told you so. I am interested in others understanding the manga and from where it comes from, even if it wasn't down right in their faces, know what i mean?
And yes, he really loves to do that, he said so in the Kizuna interview, but when this comes at the expense of characters and the story, it's not that interesting anymore...

That's not your fault they don't understand the manga
But you're the one who's thinking like that and I you could be wrong(same goes for me). You honestly have to wait until the final chapters before you jump into conclusions

[Gojira]

Wow... Su much bad mood bere:(

Cant really blame us last week we get SS bait then we wsit anxiously for 8 days for KISHI to troll them and we end up getting trolled with a pro SS cover that overshadows the platonic HTTYD NS cover

[Coca Cola]

In the end, this color page is meaningless.

 

If at some point during this Kaguya fight Sakura starts kicking ass and taking names, the color page will be forgotten and tossed in the garbage. My only fear is that saving Sasuke will be her sole moment in this fight and she will be relegated to the sidelines.

 

I doubt the manga will end in December with Kishi's writing pace.

[luffyq1]

Man they're having a party in the SS tag and telling us not to lose faith. lol

[Atheck]

Dunno why people are making a big deal out of Sakura blushing this time. Where was this concern during 632 at this point in time Sasuke was thought of to be a good guy

That chapter was riding on the coattails of Sakura's momentum from the previous chapter. Minato confirms the parallel between his wife and Naruto's beloved healer, Hinata is thrown to the wayside as Naruto casually remarks about Sakura being his girlfriend, and then you have hype that Sakura made for herself at the end about a new power up.

Everything was at an all time high then. Now? Well this chapter has left things in a very ambiguous position in fans' eyes. Their optimism isn't high, it hasn't recovered completely from the last chapter, and Kishi continues to preview more suggestive images in order to entice the readers.

While I personally don't see anything too significant happening with that scene (at best it serves as a red herring), you're going to find many people who wished that that scene had never been put into the manga for one reason or another.

[Liu bie]

What if obito cheat death again lol.

 Then he has to pass the 9 circles of hell to save Rin captured by the Lucifer, wait is Dante Inferno the game?

[Otaru]

 

And I understand he doesn't want, after all, that's where the mystery lies, but don't push it more than it is necessary, you know, or else you loose credibility and then wonder why people tell you Hinata would make a better heroine than Sakura and that Sakura is lying to Naruto and all that.

He is doing this with his own hands. 

 

 

Well I don't think he's responsible of the biased vision some fans have. Fans have expectations, and some are almost living their life through Naruto' story. It's not sane IMO.

Every story is discussed by the readers.

The writer is not responsible of it IMO.

Edited by Otaru, 23 July 2014 - 04:29 PM.

[ioria]

I don't really care about covers.

Should they stand true, Neji would have been revived as a phoenix

 

I hear you Chatte: I can easily follow your logic there and you may be right.

You are not killing the mood; I see no trouble into other people's views, especially if they come reasoned.

[FreakySandra1995]

No, I haven't lost faith in NS, I said this multiple times. My pet-peeve is with how Kishi chooses to screw with NaruSaku's image, that's all. As well with Sakura's image, because as I said multiple times, before being a fan of NS I am a fan of Sakura.

So let's take this on turns: Sakura is the heroine of this manga, right? Then why have her shown just riding on the back while the others do the action? When was the last time we had a cool cover with her showing some cool action, like it happens when it comes to Naruto, Sasuke and Kakashi? No, she's just there to be pretty eyes, sometimes damsel in distress. Why not have her riding her own horse and shooting motherf***ing ninjas or whatever, like the others? What's she's not deemable? All that it is to her is a background? Does she need rescue all the time? Why it has to be always at Sakura's expense? And we wonder ourselves why 99.99% of this fandom considers her useless.

 

Moving onto NaruSaku: yes, we have all that development, not negating it. Beautiful, indeed, however, it has to be all under the "underneath the underneath", all subtle while with the others it has to be with romantic insinuations that aren't that hard to pick. Now tell me, as a new reader and as a child-teenage boy or girl, how can you tell that NaruSaku is gonna be the end game when it was all done like this? In a complicated way. Why can't their moments be slightly more simpler to understand? Or even hint. I am not saying he has to unravel all, but make the hints easier to perceive, especially if you're planning to make that pairing canon. I mean, the other fandoms, non-shippers even, always say that NaruSaku's moments don't seem romantic. They do recognize Sakura's faith and devotion with Naruto but you see, in the romantic department it's rarely you'll have a positive reaction, so to speak, if it isn't downright in their faces. And we wonder ourselves why the others brand it as just "friendship" moments. Well, there you have it.
I know Kishi portrays the mature type of love when it comes to NaruSaku, but you see, his target audience isn't that mature. If you want to make it credible, make it at their own level. Make it believable. Donțt just jump off the gun. Look at Sakura's confession, now after so many years. Even if Kishi said he felt he was portraying an honest girl, did someone gave a kitten, excuse my language? No. Why? It's not that hard to understand why, when he portrays her the way he does. He makes her confess to Naruto and then have Sai saying she's killing Sasuke out of love. The target audience isn't at the level to be able to distinguish between the real, mature love and the less mature love, the "facet" love.

Meh, dunno if I make any sense, I did have lots of no sleep and I might be hard to express myself, but I hope you guys understood. I am planning on writing a new post soon anyway, trying to explain myself better.

 

 

 

Exactly, this manga is first and foremost a visual medium, people will perceive what they see and sorry to say it but the color images will always have a greater impact than black and white ones. And before people actually open the manga itself, the first that will have an impact on the reader is the cover art int he beginning.
Maybe I'm this way because I've been in this media business for quite sometime now...Sometimes a bliss, sometimes a curse.

 

 

 

I am as well but I can't really blame them either... It's hard not to do so when the author itself is joggling with these stuff. 
Like I said, my problem is not with the cover itself, it's with the depiction of the cover.  But meh, I better shut up... People are already down, me rambling about it won't help that much...

 

Hm, I guess it's the first time ever, but I have to say, I disagree with you in some parts. First, yeah, it's freaking annoying that Kishi did the cover this way, but damnit, what's even more annoying is that people are making such a fuss over it. As far as I've seen, those things are 99% Fanservice/Fanart and don't change the story itself at all. Maybe Kishi simply loves to draw Sakura in such situations. I used to put my male characters I once created in difficult situations, where tehy could only be saved by the heroine. But never did I thought less of the character itself and I tried to display them as the heros they are. As badass and cool and strong Sakura is- she is still a "normal" ninja. 

SasuSaku is just a deal in Japan at some degree, and maybe Kishi wanted to give them a little treat. Let them have it, whatever? It's not changing anything we had. 
2nd, NaruSaku had it's sublte situation, but pretty blunt ones at well! When Sakura was offering to feed Naruto Ramen? Sakura flirting with Naruto when he came home? Naruto amazed (and blushing!) by what Sakur is capable of? The pretty blunt comparison of Sakura = Kushina when Kushina's dying words implied to have Naruto find someome like her as his women? Those aren't subtle at all! Even 10 year old boys can get that.

Grrr, sorry, but the post I see here are sometimes so downing and making no sense to me at all, I get a bit angry about that    It's like we already forget what Sakura did last chapter with all her might because of stupid fanservice

[narusakufan122]

Well, given that most of my theories that came true did have the manga covers as support I wouldn't say reading too much into it, but meh...

Well i don't know any of your theories so i can't really comment on that with certainty. I would think you're just using common logic and your knowledge of the manga to make theories predictions and then afterwards try and fit them to the cover art. But like i said i don't know any of your theories so i'm not sure.

 

I just don't think cover art has any real connection to the manga.

I mean please tell me what's your theory about the last cover art ?

Is Kishi foreshadowing SS to ride off into the sunset, in the manga ?

[FireFox]

 

Exactly, this manga is first and foremost a visual medium, people will perceive what they see and sorry to say it but the color images will always have a greater impact than black and white ones. And before people actually open the manga itself, the first that will have an impact on the reader is the cover art in the beginning.
Maybe I'm this way because I've been in this media business for quite sometime now...Sometimes a bliss, sometimes a curse.

Yes bc as a visual media its the actual mutual moments that counts the most the small hints and foreshadowing are just that but even that is not gonna help when you screw up with the actual moments and make them to ambiguous or skip them every time just to hide the end result and especially this late in the game while giving the opposite paring a more visually meaningful moment that might seem romantic.  In the end you will only fail doing the paring to seem credible like what you said bellow . There is a limit to how much you can pull the ambiguity but not when its reaching its end enough is enough and honestly Kishi so much kittened up in this department .

 

 

And I understand he doesn't want, after all, that's where the mystery lies, but don't push it more than it is necessary, you know, or else you loose credibility and then wonder why people tell you Hinata would make a better heroine than Sakura and that Sakura is lying to Naruto and all that.
He is doing this with his own hands. 

 

 

 

But I'm not interested in telling others I told you so. I am interested in others understanding the manga and from where it comes from, even if it wasn't down right in their faces, know what i mean?
And yes, he really loves to do that, he said so in the Kizuna interview, but when this comes at the expense of characters and the story, it's not that interesting anymore...

[Chatte]

That's not your fault they don't understand the manga
But you're the one who's thinking like that and I you could be wrong(same goes for me). You honestly have to wait until the final chapters before you jump into conclusions

But I am not jumping to any conclusions.. I am talking about current stuff. I don't need to wait for the manga to end to see that during its ongoing time the author kittens on certain stuff.

As I've said, confidence in NS I still have, the development is there and cannot be topped no matter how you put it, its the back-and-forth that Kishi does that makes me flip the table in regards to certain plot elements and their consistency. 

[六道仙人]

I am curious... From 0 to 10, how do you think that NS will be thw endgame now?

[FreakySandra1995]

I am curious... From 0 to 10, how do you think that NS will be thw endgame now?

10

[ioria]

I am curious... From 0 to 10, how do you think that NS will be thw endgame now?

 

Let's say I'm 70% positive.. that would make it a 7