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These were Hiruzen's exact words when describing the Shiki Fujin, "Their souls will mingle, hating each other and battling the other for all eternity."
So apparently when Minato sealed Yin Kurama, he effectively condemned himself to fighting it endlessly for the rest of time. That would be a probable scenario for Minato to use his techniques for the bijuu to see.
That addresses Minato's fighting style itself but not the principals of senjutsu and how it's acquired. You activate SM by gathering the energy of the natural world around you and intermixing it with your two energies to create sage chakra.
The issue now is whether or not natural energy would exist for Minato to use where he and Kurama were battling. Considering that the shinigami is depicted as an ethereal being with supernatural features and that Edo Tensei, a technique which functions by extracting the intended soul from the afterlife to return it to Earth, failed to restore him, I think it's safe to argue that Minato's soul resided beyond the conventional realms of existence.
Natural energy, by its definition and namesake, is an unseeable force that exists all across nature (Earth's nature). Given the unique conditions of Minato's captivity in the stomach of a supernatural being (one which probably exists in a realm beyond time and space), how likely is it that Minato would have the tools necessary to use Sage Mode and demonstrate it to Kurama? Personally, I think it's unlikely that he was able to use it then. The shinigami is an entity that probably falls under the same category as Susanoo's gourd.
I'm inclined to agree with you on this part , whether he would have been able to go into SM is unknown but i think he would have at least tried do it since i doubt that he was even aware of those conditions since this was something he has never experience before so i think it would be reasonable to at least try , and they had 17 years to know each other in and out 17 years without even talking a bit just fighting its a long long time so even with this i still think that Yin Kurama would have known about all of Minato's abilities even if he wouldn't be able to perform some of them imo .
Given all the information about Minato's battle tactics and how he operates in a fight, is it consistent for him to resort to SM? Or for Kushina to pay much heed to an ability that exists separately from the technical skills that Minato amalgamates with his wife's?
He was in a war i don't see why he wouldn't have used it to give himself an advantage or to use it when he will be out of chakra also if he has never used it before than what was the purpose of him learning it in the first place ? Come on dude do you really think Kushina wouldn't have been aware of all of his abilities she was his wife she knew every aspect of Minato's being not to mention that they were together since they were kids you honestly think she wouldn't have know if Minato went to train for SM for who knows how long ? Also i don't think that Minato would have stayed quiet about this cus he likes to brag he's a show of he's more or less like Naruto we have seen this in the manga , Kushina would have definitely know about this also the manga doesn't show that they had any kind of secrets from each other .
This was brought up in a previous discussion that we had and my answer to it remains the same
"Kurama admitted to himself that Naruto had surpassed them in terms of the amount of chakra that he could link and transfer to others."
Kurama is aware of the abilities that would entail his involvement. Chakra transference. I don't think he's ever offered much insight into their other abilities that weren't involved with him. Surpassing, in the way he described it, was in a strictly limited context which wouldn't support the notion that he's aware of everything they have.
Yes we did discussed this i can't remember now what was exactly said but I think you take those lines way to literally i take them as this was the final step of Naruto surpassing them both and by doing the transfer thing he has finally done that , which chapter was this anyway my memory's little foggy about this one ? .
Kurama didn't had any involvement in Minato's ability to transfer chakra we have never seen this he's involvement was only now cus he was sealed within him until recently so how did Kurama knew that Minato was able to transfer chakra and on what level when he was sealed inside Kushina ? And how would Kurama not be aware of every single ability that Kushina had when he was a part of her whole life just like he was in Naruto's that doesn't make any sense we have seen thru this manga that the bijuu's knows everything about their hosts about their life and their abilities and this is shown mostly thru Naruto and Kurama themselves , also thru Gaara Shukaku and Bee Hachi why would this be different for Kushina and Kurama ? Also you can't expect for him to start counting every single one of their abilities in which Naruto has surpassed them that's unreal , this was way more simple for Kishi he pointed out to an ability that both Minato and Kushia shared and said that Naruto surpassed them , it doesn't show in any way that he is not aware of their other abilities , it's like saying that because of this he's not even aware that Minato can make Rasengan or FuinJutsu or Kushina doing a FuinJutsu also .
There was little time for Minato to coordinate any chakra arrangements since they had both started fighting almost immediately after Naruto discovered that he could use both modes simultaneously. It goes from them using the Rasengan against Obito to some brief (very brief) conversation, Naruto trying to create a Bijudama forged with natural energy, and then Obito proceeding to release the Shinju which rendered their original attack strategy useless. All in the span of nine pages.
Furthermore, Minato wouldn't have any need to use BSM since Naruto already offered to supply the necessary sage chakra to the Rasengan.
Really? Was Minato even aware of Kurama's existence in his mind before he revealed himself (he acted surprised when he noticed that Kurama was looming over him from behind)? Was the chakra he was using received consensually or did Minato steal it from him at some point when they were battling inside of the shinigami?
Neither of them have had the interactions that Naruto has had which include the great majority of his life. That includes his training experiences which Kurama obviously wasn't a witness to during Minato's time since he was confined to another person's body (unless Kushina decided to tag along as a spectator at Myobokuzan).
Really ? it didn't seem to me like Naruto needed that much time for him to enter BSM it took Naruto 1 sec to do that (go SM and fuse) again if Kishi wanted Minato to go BSM he would have done that by now Kishi not doing that means Minato can't it's that simple Minato had more than enough time to do that and i don't see how Naruto already adding Sage chakra means that there was no need for Minato add also since it would have made that SageBijuuDama more powerful and bigger and the attack might not have failed . All of this just tells me that Minato isn't able to do it mix his Sage chakra with the Bijuu one .
Yes Minato was surprised by him but he wasn't in a cage like the Yang part so i don't think he steal it from him , i think that he was surprised that the Yin part actually talk to him in the way he did since Yin doesn't strike me as being loud or a talkative person he seems to be a calm guy and speak only when he needs to .
How much does he need to know him or interact with him for him to be able to say to him a simple word like why don't you try to fuse SM and BM that is not so hard ? A problem in their communication would have been if they were in a disagreement with each other but since that moment they were comrades and they worked together .
1 .Morale is a critical element to an effective soldier's performance when fighting. Minato acting like a dejected failure would have been counter-productive to what they were trying to accomplish.
I won't deny that there was genuine compassion on his part, but to argue that it's of the same long-term intimacy as Naruto's relationship with his Kurama? That it would influence Kurama's information about Minato? No. Especially when they just came out from an imprisonment that had them locking horns with each other resentfully for 17 years nonstop. There was combat and technical experience, but on a personal level that pertained to Minato's own life? Not really, excluding whatever time Kushina spent with him.
2 .Naruto also didn't have the proper environment that would have compelled Yang Kurama to cooperate with him like Yin Kurama did by being thrown out to fight against the Jubi immediately after being freed. Remember that the original motivation for Yang Kurama's assistance was self-preservation. This entire war could be looked at as the catalyst for Naruto's newly formed relationship with Kurama.
Before that, Naruto never really paid much heed to Kurama's well-being (excluding an apology he made for forcibly removing his chakra after his mind had been "cleansed" of the negativity afflicting it).
I'm not sure when Yin Kurama assumed this docile persona around Minato but he seems to take special consideration of the conditions surrounding Naruto's relationship with his Yang counterpart.
3 .The bijuu haven't exactly been on good speaking terms with humans since Hagoromo's passing. Animosity had apparently developed between them and for that, the bijuu's opinion of them turned to murderous hatred. Being forcibly contained inside a person and expected to act as a tool lacking in sentience doesn't lend itself well to cooperation or wanting to even speak with them (besides voicing their dislike for their captors like in Shukaku's situation when he was conversing with a young Gaara).
Hell, besides the Sand Priest, Killer Bee is perhaps the first human to ever treat the bijuu as an equal rather than an implement of someone's war machine or a monster.
1 . My intention wasn't to say that their relationship is on the same level as Naruto and the Yang part but to point out that they were cooperative they are comrades now fighting for the same cause and as such YIn have no reason not to tell Minato about the BSM part if Minato could do that since it would have been of great help . And i have already talked about Kurama's information about Minato , what Kushina knows about Minato also Kurama knows there is no reason for me not to believe that he doesn't know everything about them since he was with those two from the moment they started being a couple , going into battle together and fight side by side , then getting married until the moment they have died basically their whole entire lives , the fact that he knew an ability that they share indicates more that he does know of what they are capable of then he doesn't plus the way he talks about them . And come on dude what do you think how much of their time they have spent together as husband and wife living in the same house ? I say its plenty and more than enough for him to get to know him .
2. I don't know perhaps they have bonded on some level in the SF as they were both force to fight in there for 17 years i think that can happen . But again my point with all of this was to show that they are in good terms now and that there is no reason to withhold any kind of an information since they are fighting on the same side for the same cause and that there are no grudges between them .
3.All of that has changed since the moment Naruto befriended the bijuus and they were all more than willing to cooperate if it means defeating Madara and gaining their freedom . And my last point still stands if Kishi wanted to show that Minato can go into BSM he would have done that just like he did with the KCM and BM .
Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 25 February 2014 - 09:21 PM.
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Madara doesn't need his eyes to use Susanoo he just needs to be himself because the power of the Uchiha's lineage is stronger than an eye !!
And Hinata is so strong she will own Madara in an instant for sure ! Because she has the ultimate moon power of love !
