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[TouKen4Life3g]

regarding the mysterious man, Karin just said that "his chakra is awfully unpleasant".... At this rate, I believe that it's Kabuto at 99%. He took all DNAs of Orochimaru,Karin, Suigetsu and Juugo. I don't know if he still have the Sennin powers (Oro just took them).

I do believe it is him too, but I do wonder more on what to do with Sasuke: end him or save him.

[六道仙人]

What if the Mysterious Man, aka Kabuto, would be the "Madara" of Sasuke's situation? I mean, a strong hurdle to overcome just like is Madara to Naruto's group.

 

Do you wanna save Naruto, Minato, Sakura, Kakashi, Gaara? Beat Madara or just hold him off

Do you wanna save Sasuke, Karin, Oro, Suigetsu and Juugo? Just make it on time for saving him and prevent the mysterious man to catch Sasuke for doing whatever he want.

[TouKen4Life3g]

What if the Mysterious Man, aka Kabuto, would be the "Madara" of Sasuke's situation? I mean, a strong hurdle to overcome just like is Madara to Naruto's group.
 
Do you wanna save Naruto, Minato, Sakura, Kakashi, Gaara? Beat Madara or just hold him off
Do you wanna save Sasuke, Karin, Oro, Suigetsu and Juugo? Just make it on time for saving him and prevent the mysterious man to catch Sasuke for doing whatever he want.

That does make sense, but that would mean Naruto and Sasuke will die. Time is very short and this is near end of the volume. I'm starting to think Naruto will start dying as in Sakura can't do much anymore. But that does make sense on what you say. Hm. I guess we really have to wait.

[T XD]

The problem is that it was a recurring theme during the whole arc for Naruto, he got sad, desperate angry then overcomes it and goes ahead at least he did it 5-6 times.

He went "back and forth" many times during this arc.

He saw that when Neji died, later about his parents death, and so on...

Sakura dying adds nothing to the plot or her own character development, it doesnt accomplish nothing.

There's many ways for the heroine doing major stuff for the hero, and Sakura has already did it two times, what she needs is to be acknowledged by Naruto on this and that didnt happened on the manga.

Also it doesnt imply romantically love for Naruto or whatever you're trying to imply it, because your perspective only shows the shipper perspective, i'm not viewing it as a shipper but on story-wise and character-wise, the only thing that is left on this matter is Naruto acknowledging her, is Naruto telling her that what she did for him was important and that she helped him.

Her sacrificing her life doesnt make sense at least that's how i see it.

I'm just explaining the possibility of Sakura could be the one who will rescue Naruto.

 

Things that she has done before isn't like if she'll sacrifice for him. It's another level. Back and forth is bound to happen cause the hero gets in despair then tries to not give up and goes to fight again. It will always be like that.

 

Sakura being acknowledged by Naruto, when ? No one knows. It could be at anytime, so thinking about it by linking it to things she did is no use cause Kishi will make it happen when he wants to.

 

I have no idea how you thought that what I said was from a shipper perspective, but, no, I'm saying a possibility on how the plot can go regarding Naruto's rescuing by explaining that Sakura can be a possible one who can do it, and the author can make it happen by his intentions to make the readers see what has occurred after such a thing. No romantic love drama nor shipping wishes. It's the author perspective if he wants to go this route.

 

By the way, nothing makes sense in many sides of any story cause it's the author who is plotting something here, then builds something else later in some situation and continue in the way he sees it the best by using explanation, flashbacks, fitting some things, etc. So, if it doesn't make sense to you by your view, it's normal cause it makes sense to another person's view who has the upper hand which is the author. No offense in any way if you thought like that XD

 

They do this but it comes with development, Sakura dying doesnt give any development to Naruto or Sakura at all.
And on those moments generally comes with the awakening of a hidden power or a new skill i dont think it's the case here when Sasuke and Taka will probably take the spotlight on this fight.

That's your view on the development of them and who will take the spotlight afterwards. Kishi can simply make it for just wanting to make it that way for Naruto's saving for a reason or for the purpose to reveal or make something happen later by it.

 

I still think it's Minato, but, again, I'm saying that Sakura is a possibility.

Edited by T XD, 15 February 2014 - 04:49 PM.

[megi]

Personnaly, I would say it's more in general, because it could aslo be translated as "clueless about woman's heart/feelings/psychology" so it's like what Jiaraya told at the bginning of part 1 "he doesn't understand women". 

Both translations literally mean the same thing.

 

 

 

Would you see it as reference towards Sakura, Hinata, or both.

 

I think it would lean more towards only Sakura since she has the recurring theme of having a complicated heart.

 

Probably Sakura. Jiraiya's line was like 「女心っちゅーもんがわかっとらの」, meaning "you don't understand anything of woman's heart". Obviously Kushina's line is connected to this one. I don't understand where Hinata comes in for this one?

[TouKen4Life3g]

What I want to know is what will Madara do next after getting his eye and perhaps Yin Kuruma? That's something to think of. Like, will he do the plan right after he obtains it? It's full power, no 15 minutes wait.

[六道仙人]

Both translations literally mean the same thing.

 

 

 

Probably Sakura. Jiraiya's line was like 「女心っちゅーもんがわかっとらの」, meaning "you don't understand anything of woman's heart". Obviously Kushina's line is connected to this one. I don't understand where Hinata comes in for this one?

 

 

apparently it seems that Naruto doesn't understand women's heart since he never noticed Hinata's crush for him LOL or just have ignored her love declaration.

Edited by 六道仙人, 15 February 2014 - 04:55 PM.

[sushi.]

Probably Sakura. Jiraiya's line was like 「女心っちゅーもんがわかっとらの」, meaning "you don't understand anything of woman's heart". Obviously Kushina's line is connected to this one. I don't understand where Hinata comes in for this one?

Hinata could be connected, but that's all an interpretation. Naruto had no clue of her feelings for him before she told him, and you could say he was confused by her 'weirdness'.

 

It's all speculation about Hinata, but Sakura is definitely the one. It was so literal, you can not theorize that this is about Hinata, then ignore the blunt references to Sakura.

Edited by sushi., 12 March 2014 - 10:06 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I like to go by when someone acknowledge it, much like with 631. It's not truly intentional until it is said in the story.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I'm just explaining the possibility of Sakura could be the one who will rescue Naruto.
 
Things that she has done before isn't like if she'll sacrifice for him. It's another level. Back and forth is bound to happen cause the hero gets in despair then tries to not give up and goes to fight again. It will always be like that.
 
Sakura being acknowledged by Naruto, when ? No one knows. It could be at anytime, so thinking about it by linking it to things she did is no use cause Kishi will make it happen when he wants to.
 
I have no idea how you thought that what I said was from a shipper perspective, but, no, I'm saying a possibility on how the plot can go regarding Naruto's rescuing by explaining that Sakura can be a possible one who can do it, and the author can make it happen by his intentions to make the readers see what has occurred after such a thing. No romantic love drama nor shipping wishes. It's the author perspective if he wants to go this route.

Basically you proved my point that she sacrificing doesnt add nothing to the plot other than pairing drama which is what i was talking about.

 

By the way, nothing makes sense in many sides of any story cause it's the author who is plotting something here, then builds something else later in some situation and continue in the way he sees it the best by using explanation, flashbacks, fitting some things, etc. So, if it doesn't make sense to you by your view, it's normal cause it makes sense to another person's view who has the upper hand which is the author. No offense in any way if you thought like that XD

 I only expressed that Chiyo's word and her desire to be of use for Naruto conflict with each other, and her will to help him is more emphasized over and over than pointless sacrifice.
On which is already show and the message already delivered the impact of a friend sacrificing for Naruto is already gone.
 

That's your view on the development of them and who will take the spotlight afterwards. Kishi can simply make it for just wanting to make it that way for Naruto's saving for a reason or for the purpose to reveal or make something happen later by it.
 
I still think it's Minato, but, again, I'm saying that Sakura is a possibility.

Nope, the development is like you posted on the same thing about buildup, Naruto was the one who beat Obito because they were similar and during the fight he passed though similar experience despite the fact i doesnt agree that the death of a friend can be equal to a death of a loved one, but that was the route Kishi chosed to be neutral in terms of pairing, later he puts Sakura alongside all Naruto friends and he expresses that he holds dear all his friends on a similar ground despite Sakura being the girl he loves she's no more important than his other friends on which is part of "power of friedship".
In a way, he showed that his path that he would endure whatever it takes and that he will keep moving forward, Naruto didnt put Sakura as his only source of happiness and even if he loses his friends or even Sakura he would keep going forward unlike Obito who could not move on, in a way if Sakura dies and he goes into a dispair then why Kishi would make Naruto goes back on his own words and beliefs?
That would break Naruto's character, because you would have a main character that speaks about the correct path and redeems the villains by showing his path despite not following what he says to them.
An hipocrit hero.

Kishimoto already buildup Sasuke to be the one to beat Madara with Hashirama's plan, Naruto is the main character but Kishi seems to buildup an scenario on which Naruto and Sasuke will be on the same ground.
Sakura already chose that she will support Naruto's dream and his place as Hokage of the village regardless of Sasuke's wishes.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 15 February 2014 - 07:33 PM.

[sushi.]

When Naruto wakes up he can't say YOLO anymore x)

[Otaru]

They mean that it'll give him some sort of power. A power that has bits from all the Bijuu from what I understand.

 

Yes.

 

I don't know about that really...

[redragon88]

regarding the mysterious man, Karin just said that "his chakra is awfully unpleasant".... At this rate, I believe that it's Kabuto at 99%. He took all DNAs of Orochimaru,Karin, Suigetsu and Juugo. I don't know if he still have the Sennin powers (Oro just took them).

 

But didn't she straight up said that she didn't recognize the chakra at all?

 

Even if the chakra was modified due to experimentation would Karin at least be able to say that the presence reminds her of Kabuto?

 

By the way, what did Juugo say at the beginning of the chapter regarding Kimimaro? Did he imply he was ok with Orochimary taking over Sasuke's body?

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
But didn't she straight up said that she didn't recognize the chakra at all?
 
Even if the chakra was modified due to experimentation would Karin at least be able to say that the presence reminds her of Kabuto?
 
By the way, what did Juugo say at the beginning of the chapter regarding Kimimaro? Did he imply he was ok with Orochimary taking over Sasuke's body?

I believe he pretty much said that it's a race to Sasuke between them (Karin mainly) and Orochimaru since that would have been a great time to get the body.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 15 February 2014 - 09:35 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

But didn't she straight up said that she didn't recognize the chakra at all?
 
Even if the chakra was modified due to experimentation would Karin at least be able to say that the presence reminds her of Kabuto?
 
By the way, what did Juugo say at the beginning of the chapter regarding Kimimaro? Did he imply he was ok with Orochimary taking over Sasuke's body?

It maybe can be used as a device for Kishi to not reveal straight up that it's Kabuto, he can uses Kabuto's sage mode to explain that.
Otherwise there would be no suspense about this mysterious guy.
I believe it's Kabuto since it's easier for Kishi to asspull a medical ninjutsu from him because his skills werent detailed and we dont know the extent of Snake Sage Mode.

Also the added suspense on the previous chapter "will he take over Sasuke's body or heal him?"
I think Kabuto has no reasons to help Sasuke at all.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 15 February 2014 - 09:47 PM.

[六道仙人]

 

But didn't she straight up said that she didn't recognize the chakra at all?

 

Even if the chakra was modified due to experimentation would Karin at least be able to say that the presence reminds her of Kabuto?

 

By the way, what did Juugo say at the beginning of the chapter regarding Kimimaro? Did he imply he was ok with Orochimary taking over Sasuke's body?

 

Juugo

...Due to Sasuke conditions, Orochimaru may start to take Sasuke's body...
Well, that was also a Kimimaro's desire but... I doubt if Karin will permit that...

[redragon88]

 

Juugo

...Due to Sasuke conditions, Orochimaru may start to take Sasuke's body...
Well, that was also a Kimimaro's desire but... I doubt if Karin will permit that...

 

Well, so much for Juugo being a loyal teammate.

 

Then again, maybe he has a change of heart if the moment occurs. Kishi is fond of making people change their views, after all.

[KnS]

Both translations literally mean the same thing.

 

 

 

Probably Sakura. Jiraiya's line was like 「女心っちゅーもんがわかっとらの」, meaning "you don't understand anything of woman's heart". Obviously Kushina's line is connected to this one. I don't understand where Hinata comes in for this one?

 

Beyond the technical translation, we have to look at the context.  

 

Jiraiya was a man who never got the love of his life because when he had the chance to win her, he didn't understand anything of "his woman's" heart either.  His way of showing his feelings for Tsunade was all wrong, she never took him seriously, and she went on to fall in love with someone who treated her the way she needed to be treated to fall in love with him.

 

Jiraiya was also a man who had a front row seat to watch Minato, who naturally made Kushina fall in love with him, struggle to understand Kushina's heart on a daily basis and get it right with a minimum of shouts and beatings, lol.

 

Then Jiraiya is there to watch Sakura flirt with Naruto when he returned to the village after 2+ years.  She set Naruto up with an easy compliment, but he blew it because he didn't get what "his girl" wants to hear.

 

In this context, it's about how a man may be in love with a particular woman, admire her, respect her, know her well, and yet still screw up because he doesn't understand that women are different than men, and she wants something extra from a man who claims to love and want her.  The implication of "a woman's heart" is that the man should know the needs and wants of her heart because he loves her.

 

Also, in #469 Sakura says the thing about a woman's heart being as changeable as the autumn sky, and that's another very specific reference to Naruto's understanding (or lack thereof) of the mysterious heart of the girl he loves.  He still doesn't get what she wants, how she feels, or that he has any influence on any of it.  It's not a coincidence that Kishimoto wrote it that way.    

 

This has nothing to do with Hinata in any way.  Naruto does not know Hinata or her heart in the way Jiraiya meant.  Even when Hinata declared her feelings, all Naruto could show was shock because he had no idea, and she and her feelings were never even on his radar.  

 

Hinata's heart was not a mystery to Naruto because women's hearts are complex; it was a mystery to him because he had never thought about her before, and had none of his own feelings tied up with what might or might not be in her heart.

 

It's all about Sakura.

Edited by KnS, 15 February 2014 - 11:25 PM.

[Otaru]

KnS your analysis is sooo damn right.

 

Anyway we're going for 666, and I hope Kishi has something good in his sleeve !

Edited by Otaru, 16 February 2014 - 02:29 AM.

[ramenanmitsu]

Agree only disagree with the last parts, Naruto already felt that pain before and it's not the point but how he said that he would endure whatever it takes to go forwards, in a way Neji's sacrifice nullify the effects of the sacrifice from Sakura.
He will keep going forward because Sakura will be just one of the people who sacrificed their lives for Naruto to succeed, she will be alongside Neji, Minato, Kushina, Jiraiya, Itachi, Pain and etc...
She wont have her own place.
 
Also according to XRomanceGirlX if Sakura has to sacrifice is because she accepts the fact that she cant do much about Naruto, sacrifice is always a desperated move on an difficult situation.
If she cant bring Naruto back with her powers or help him somehow and has to sacrifice is because she accepts that she's useless to Naruto.

I absolutely knew you were going to quote me and say that because you hate the idea of Sakura being special to Naruto. But saying that her death will be nullified by Neji, and that she will be listed along Neji, Itachi, Pain is a bit too much even for you. There is something terribly wrong with categorizing Sakura, who has been his teammate and the love of his life, along with Neji, Itachi, or Pain. And I explained that above as well. You can try to claim how unimportant and unsignificant she is in the plot all you want (and I won't disagree her irrelevance to the plot), but saying that she will just be another additional death to Naruto without any major additional effect on him is only how wish it to be, not how it actually is.

If one of your other classmates died, and your parents died the next day, are those two deaths going to have the same effect on you? Or are you going to be more saddened by your parents death?