What does any other series have to do with this? This is Naruto, not some mecha anime. What Kishi did this week was completely out of nowhere, doesn't fit the Naruto world at all, and left so many questions as to "why" all of this happened. I don't know if it has ever been done before in jump but I would seriously recommend Kishi redo that entire chapter and have the current 646 be considered a mistake. It is either that or continue writing a crippled story.
*sigh* You know, I don't accept this argument anymore. I hate when people use it too because it is just you using some form of excuse to say "Well, this is different." What does it have to do with it? Alot, because so many people bring forth that Guren Laggann is "so well written," but I could argue for that series the same argument you are using for this series. That's the connection.
Speaking of which, how many times did people compare Dragonball Z or other manga to this one? Because while the stories may change, the writing practices stay the same. You don't have rules for one and not have the same rules for the other unless you have a good reason to do so such as making a character with accents or making up words so people can get a clear idea of what the character may sound like. Stuff like that.
What the common factor is is a character becoming a god. Like any TV trope that many series encompass and writing practices, I could compare how each character, both Obito/So6P and Simon became gods, but unlike the Obito/Sage who have a real reason for having power, Simon does not or rather has a weaker reasoning behind him. Also, Obito/Sage are fairly weak compared to Simon's power who is pretty much omnipotent and can change reality of the universe to whatever he wants. I don't think Obito/Sage had that much power.
The sage got his power from his mother who got the power from eating some forbidden fruit from what is known as the "God Tree." Now many manga, like Dragonball, xXxholic, One Piece, and a few, have played the concept of having these "trees of power" bearing fruit which give normal humans powers or granting something else that is powerful.
Simon for Gurren Lagann however becomes god because...."He willed himself to." Literally, that is all that is. He willed himself to be god cause he can somehow tap into spiritual energy in the universe. How is this not bad writing in itself, but this chapter in Naruto is? How about how Haruhi is considered god yet there is no real explanation on why she is this "Reality creator/bender?"
How about Shinji Ikari in Evangelion? He became God for the moment. His was explained using the Eva's as a catalyst. Is this any different to this? I don't think so. It has about the same amount of explanation to me. So why does Haruhi, Simon, Shinji, and all these other God beings in anime get this pass with just as much or not even any explanation on "why?"
I'm sorry, I have seen worst explanations in other series that have been accepted.
Lol, it makes me laugh that you used Gurren Lagann as a comparison. Naruto operates in a different set of rules as Gurren Lagann. It has a sense of a structured world, like ours is governed by laws of physics. Gurren Lagann is all about, as their motto goes, "kick reason and logic to the curb." Stuff happens because the main characters will it to happen and they'll not let anything, even physics and logic stand in their way. In other words, literally anything can happen in the Gurren Lagann universe if you're hot blooded enough.
This is a double standard though. I have to accept that Gurren Lagann can break the rules and I can't judge it because "it has it's own rules," but many here can judge Naruto like it is trying to destroy a major religion in the real world or something? As you said "Naruto operates in a different set of rules" which means that the set rules are what they are in the Naruto universe. You're telling me I have to accept the way Gurren Lagann behaves, but shouldn't the Naruto fans be the same way and just accept the rules that is in the Naruto universe?
This is a double standard. Once again people hand wave ideas away because they want something one way and when proven wrong by other methods say "Well, it follows it's own rules, so it doesn't count." That is what I like to call "cheating" and is practically a stupid argument to use. At least I don't accept that kind of argument, because then I could say the same to all the Naruto nay-sayers. "Well, tough, that is how the rules are. Deal with it." Which is practically what you are saying.
I might as well just say "Kishi can do whatever he wants and you have to accept it." End of debate. At least we get an explanation on why stuff happens the way it does and not just some stupid thing like "because he wanted it to be."
I am really sorry to some people, but if I can be brutally honest some of you are just complaining just to complain. I have seen worse explanations in other manga and when brought up you can hand wave say "It is not the same thing." The double standards I have seen when it comes to this manga alone truly baffle me to the point of insanity.
"We want more Sakura." Okay, but they can never tell me what they want her to do.
"We want this person to get a power-up." The character gets a power-up and then complain that it is either too OP or not enough explanation.
"We want more main characters to die." Kishi kills off Neji and then I hear complaining that that is not what they meant. They want some character who has no purpose to die, but wants their death to make a huge impact on the story or something....I don't even know anymore.
"We want a good villain that for once doesn't fall to talk no jutsu so easily." We get Obito who has been really awesome as a villain and people complain that "he is too whiny, why does it have to be about Rin? Obito is too OP. He should stay dead for once."
People are privileged to their opinion, but I really question whether some fans really know what you want at times. They set standards way too high, they can't decide what they want, and even when they get what they are after it is not what they really wanted.
What really gets bad though is when someone comes along and uses a counter argument that makes a lot of sense and these people downright just hand wave it and get really defensive over it. Really? So in essence, you can never be proven wrong because you don't want to be proven wrong and just as they have a choice not to listen to reason, I have a choice to not take what some say as serious.
I was predicted this was going to happen in several podcasts already and it does not surprise me. I knew this was going to happen and I talked about it especially in the last two. So, I am happy I was right.
So I ask again, what exactly do people want to see happen? I want to ask how would you write this manga and do you really think it is better than how Kishi has written it. Now keep in mind, I want to say that it will be judge to the same fair extent.
Edited by James S Cassidy, 11 September 2013 - 08:02 PM.
This topic is locked
