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[Chatte]

Of course it isn't cannon from the point of view of the manga's timeline, however, there are ideas there that Kishi used and foreshadowed of what's going to happen in cannon manga, that's all.

[TouKen4Life3g]

They should pull a comedy. They failed to protect themselves and everyone die. Then it turns out it was Tobirama's daydreaming and he would just say, "If we fail, it's because of you two."

[Codus N]

Quality of chakra manipulation doesn't matter. Itachi never made any suggestions of control being a factor in the disruption of Tsukuyomi. You need the Mangekyou Sharingan and Uchiha ancestry to be able to dispel it. Without those qualities, you can only endure until the illusion stops by itself. Nothing contradicts this fact.

 

However, this is refuted with Killer Bee as he is the only person so far to actually break out of Tsukuyomi. So Itachi's claim here is kind of dubious. Although, he may have claimed so because at that point Itachi was the only person he knew of who used Tsukuyomi. He had never heard of anyone breaking out of Tsukuyomi as far as he knew. Then again, he is (was) the king of kings when it came to Genjutsu. Obito and Danzou commented that Itachi and Sasuke are like Heaven and Earth when it came to Genjutsu.

 

Basically, Sasuke's Genjutsu, which includes Tsukuyomi is pretty weak compared to Itachi's. So, it's still debatable whether high-level ninjas of Killer Bee and Danzo's caliber could withstand Itachi's Tsukuyomi.

[Atheck]

However, this is refuted with Killer Bee as he is the only person so far to actually break out of Tsukuyomi. So Itachi's claim here is kind of dubious.

Killer Bee had Gyuki to release him from the genjutsu. Another person transferring their chakra to your mind in order to disrupt their network is different than the person affected breaking themselves out. It's much more difficult to carry out the latter feat. Oh, and that scene is questionable itself since it's been proven that Sasuke's second MS technique is Kagutsuchi. That was probably just another unnamed genjutsu that Sasuke used.

Although, he may have claimed so because at that point Itachi was the only person he knew of who used Tsukuyomi.

It seems that Itachi's Tsukuyomi isn't the same as Madara's. From what we understand, Tsukuyomi is an MS technique unlocked when the user acquired the Mangekyou. Those sorts of techniques would classify as KG and therefore would be an unteachable skill. Mugen Tsukuyomi appears to be a Yin-Yang Release jutsu. That would account for the need of the bijuu's chakra to create the effects.

He had never heard of anyone breaking out of Tsukuyomi as far as he knew. Then again, he is (was) the king of kings when it came to Genjutsu.

What reason would he have to believe that anyone besides an Uchiha would be capable of dispelling Tsukuyomi? Its effects are incredibly potent. Not even another Sharingan user was able to overcome it when it was used at full strength (presumably). But like I said, the victim disrupting their own chakra is a much more difficult feat to accomplish than having someone else break you of it. Currently the only person who has been able to manage that is Sasuke and that was against a weakened version casted by a user who wasn't even intent on killing.

Obito and Danzou commented that Itachi and Sasuke are like Heaven and Earth when it came to Genjutsu.

Itachi's fighting style relies on heavy amounts of genjutsu usage and his illusions are some of the powerful in the manga. Sasuke only uses them sparingly, usually when he's in a pinch and they are often seen through by the opponent. Even if he had Tsukuyomi, it would be nowhere near as powerful as Itachi's.
 

Basically, Sasuke's Genjutsu, which includes Tsukuyomi is pretty weak compared to Itachi's. So, it's still debatable whether high-level ninjas of Killer Bee and Danzo's caliber could withstand Itachi's Tsukuyomi.

I already disproved the theory that Sasuke had Tsukuyomi. His second technique is Kagutsuchi. It's consistent with his right eye opening whenever he is about to activate his MS. Killer Bee is able to escape from genjutsu because of his jinchuurki status and friendly relations with his bijuu. We don't know how Danzo would manage against Tsukuyomi. He has MS and the Senju DNA he injected into his arm may help, but it's unknown if he could substitute his lack of Uchiha blood with that.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So, how do you think the next chapter will go down?

[Kster95]

Its on a break again this week?

[TouKen4Life3g]

No.

[Dkey]

need chapter this is all i care about

[TouKen4Life3g]

The 7th chapter of the volume. It should be good. Last volume was the breaking point of Team 7, where things start to fall apart. Perhaps the next chapter after this one will be a twist.

[ramenanmitsu]

I want to see the next chapter. 

 

 

 

.......and I need my Sakura-chan battery. For one manga panel of Sakura-chan I will gain enough energy for 5 days. But now I'm nearly running out......

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 27 August 2013 - 04:16 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I want to see the next chapter. 

 

 

 

.......and I need my Sakura-chan battery. For one manga panel of Sakura-chan will give me enough energy for 5 days. I'm nearly running out......

Two Kyuubis just sayan.
I only hope that Sasuke will do nothing, and Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

 

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

 

PLZ KISHI FOR GOD'S SAKE.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 August 2013 - 04:18 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

Two Kyuubis just sayan.
I only hope that Sasuke will do nothing, and Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

 

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

Naruto doesnt share the kyuubi chakra with him for god's sake.

 

PLZ KISHI FOR GOD'S SAKE.

Wow. You really don't want Sasuke to gain some Kyuubi chakra do you? 

I don't think Sasuke's pride will allow him to fight with the Kyuubi's chakra. Because that is like admitting he is inferior to Naruto. 

 

I actually want Sasuke to do something equally as awesome as Naruto. That is only to be expected from the rival 

[Codus N]

It seems that Itachi's Tsukuyomi isn't the same as Madara's. From what we understand, Tsukuyomi is an MS technique unlocked when the user acquired the Mangekyou. Those sorts of techniques would classify as KG and therefore would be an unteachable skill. Mugen Tsukuyomi appears to be a Yin-Yang Release jutsu. That would account for the need of the bijuu's chakra to create the effects.

 

By "Madara", do you mean the real one or Tobi. Because as far as he knows, "Tobi" is "Madara".


What reason would he have to believe that anyone besides an Uchiha would be capable of dispelling Tsukuyomi? Its effects are incredibly potent. Not even another Sharingan user was able to overcome it when it was used at full strength (presumably). But like I said, the victim disrupting their own chakra is a much more difficult feat to accomplish than having someone else break you of it. Currently the only person who has been able to manage that is Sasuke and that was against a weakened version casted by a user who wasn't even intent on killing.

 

Itachi's fighting style relies on heavy amounts of genjutsu usage and his illusions are some of the powerful in the manga. Sasuke only uses them sparingly, usually when he's in a pinch and they are often seen through by the opponent. Even if he had Tsukuyomi, it would be nowhere near as powerful as Itachi's.

 But that's exactly what I'm saying.....

I already disproved the theory that Sasuke had Tsukuyomi. His second technique is Kagutsuchi. It's consistent with his right eye opening whenever he is about to activate his MS. Killer Bee is able to escape from genjutsu because of his jinchuurki status and friendly relations with his bijuu. We don't know how Danzo would manage against Tsukuyomi. He has MS and the Senju DNA he injected into his arm may help, but it's unknown if he could substitute his lack of Uchiha blood with that.

 

 

Link, please.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, what Naruto and Minato are going to do? Doing their Bijuu bombs? Sharing others? I think they will attack it before it even gets to shoot. Kind of like attacking the Reaper before it fires the main cannon.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 27 August 2013 - 04:33 PM.

[T XD]

You know, what are Naruto and Minato are going to do?

I think they'll attack the tree in the next chapter with their combo. I think Obito won't let them at the same time, but they'll manage a hit. Maybe with a help too from Tobirama.

Edited by T XD, 27 August 2013 - 04:38 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think they'll attack the tree in the next chapter with their combo. But, I think Obito won't let them at the same time, but they'll manage a hit. Maybe with a help too from Tobirama.

I think Obito can't do anything until the process is done. He already covered himself, so now, he is just waiting until the bomb goes off.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 27 August 2013 - 04:34 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

It seems that Itachi's Tsukuyomi isn't the same as Madara's. From what we understand, Tsukuyomi is an MS technique unlocked when the user acquired the Mangekyou. Those sorts of techniques would classify as KG and therefore would be an unteachable skill. Mugen Tsukuyomi appears to be a Yin-Yang Release jutsu. That would account for the need of the bijuu's chakra to create the effects.

 

By "Madara", do you mean the real one or Tobi. Because as far as he knows, "Tobi" is "Madara".


What reason would he have to believe that anyone besides an Uchiha would be capable of dispelling Tsukuyomi? Its effects are incredibly potent. Not even another Sharingan user was able to overcome it when it was used at full strength (presumably). But like I said, the victim disrupting their own chakra is a much more difficult feat to accomplish than having someone else break you of it. Currently the only person who has been able to manage that is Sasuke and that was against a weakened version casted by a user who wasn't even intent on killing.

 

Itachi's fighting style relies on heavy amounts of genjutsu usage and his illusions are some of the powerful in the manga. Sasuke only uses them sparingly, usually when he's in a pinch and they are often seen through by the opponent. Even if he had Tsukuyomi, it would be nowhere near as powerful as Itachi's.

 But that's exactly what I'm saying.....

I already disproved the theory that Sasuke had Tsukuyomi. His second technique is Kagutsuchi. It's consistent with his right eye opening whenever he is about to activate his MS. Killer Bee is able to escape from genjutsu because of his jinchuurki status and friendly relations with his bijuu. We don't know how Danzo would manage against Tsukuyomi. He has MS and the Senju DNA he injected into his arm may help, but it's unknown if he could substitute his lack of Uchiha blood with that.

 

 

Link, please.

 

I think he does have Tsukyomi, because he has Itachi's eyes now, but the difference of Sasuke to Itachi before all those thing is that Itachi's Tsukyome could alter the perception of time, which makes the genjutsu last way longer than the usual, but like every jutsu has weakness so Naruto + kurama would break it easily.

I feel that the addition of Naruto + Kurama teaming up served to the purpose of taking out Sasuke's advantage, Naruto is weak against genjutsu which he admitted on Pain's arc.

[T XD]

I think Obito can't do anything until the process is done. He already covered himself, so now, he is just waiting until the bomb goes off.

I thought that way before, but then remembered that he said that he won't let them do anything to the tree. The thing is that he covered himself, but said he won't let them hurt the tree. So, I said that he'll cover himself, but somehow he won't let them do damage to the tree.

[Atheck]

By "Madara", do you mean the real one or Tobi. Because as far as he knows, "Tobi" is "Madara".

The one who took Tobi in and instructed him on how to use the Mugen Tsukuyomi genjutsu in chapters 601-607.
 

hat I'm saying.....

But you're implying that Sasuke has Tsukuyomi. My intention is disprove that believe with evidence given of his MS's techniques.
 

Link, please.

 

1. An explicit depiction of Sasuke using the ability in his right eye to apply shape to Amaterasu. 

 

 

2. Bee explains the reasoning for his ability to escape Sasuke's genjutsu.

 

 

The only way Sasuke could have obtained Tsukuyomi is if the transplant of Itachi's eyes made his techniques available to use like how Darkrest described it. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

I thought that way before, but then remembered that he said that he won't let them do anything to the tree. The thing is that he covered himself, but said he won't let them hurt the tree. So, I said that he'll cover himself, but somehow he won't let them do damage to the tree.

Good point. Well, it should be interesting to see the aftermath of the attack. Will everyone be ok? Will there be casualty? Will nothing happen at all? I kind of want the second option. Not to say there will be deaths, but at least a KO, mainly to named characters. Hard to picture them to be in this battle scene when both villains are human sized.