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[TouKen4Life3g]

I think Sasuke wants to do something with the ninja system like what Madara is thinking. Plus, more and more, I'm seeing him turning into Madara 2.0.
 
Yeah, they seem to know what's the plan and if that's what Orochimaru said, maybe they're going somewhere else then show up in the battlefield, or just somewhere else. Don't know about that yet.
 
Bringing Jiraiya back will be something I'll be happy for.He's one of my favorite characters.But, where does he fit in this battle ? Just bringing him back and that's it... Of course not. There's so many things that needs to be done already in this battle, unless the Sannin 1.0 are going to fight also which I don't see that happening either.

You know what they say, the more power or desire to control, the more darker you become. Basically, greed takes the best of you and at times, you just become cold. That's what Itachi meant about Naruto shouldn't work alone. He could have become Tobi 2.0 (ironic).

Think about it, the more you work hard alone and the more you desired, the more you start to lose track. Lots of media done this. Like one I just saw, the guy got everyone's acknowledgment but the "bad guy" tells him to push further with his invention, and pretty much warned him if he doesn't continue helping, everyone will hate him, so he continues it. In return, he hurts his love interest feelings. Not very cold way, but later, he was sorry for overdoing his work.

You know I just reread 634, and gamakichi told Naruto that Gamabunta was busy with something. So may there is possibility that he might not even be dead, ofcourse I'm just throwing a speculation out there. Maybe that could be the big cliffhanger in the upcoming chapters.

You know, that part was strange. At first, I thought the summon is something that you choose at will. Technically it is, but it's about chakra level. Like for example:

Naruto: Oh! I need a powerful summon now. Let's see. My chakra level is able to use the powerful one.

It's like RPG, hit the right mark to use the powerful form. That said Sasuke is understandable because Manda is gone and/or using him will be bad since he has a bad attitude. Sakura is straightforward and compliment her skills the fact she can summon the highest level. So there you have it. I don't see any reasons why don't have Gamabunta, so it might be a mystery.

[T XD]

You know what they say, the more power or desire to control, the more darker you become. Basically, greed takes the best of you and at times, you just become cold. That's what Itachi meant about Naruto shouldn't work alone. He could have become Tobi 2.0 (ironic).

Think about it, the more you work hard alone and the more you desired, the more you start to lose track. Lots of media done this. Like one I just saw, the guy got everyone's acknowledgment but the "bad guy" tells him to push further with his invention, and pretty much warned him if he doesn't continue helping, everyone will hate him, so he continues it. In return, he hurts his love interest feelings. Not very cold way, but later, he was sorry for overdoing his work.

Yup, from that Sasuke became like he is now. Doing everything alone and the desire of power and control are his priorities.
 

You know, that part was strange. At first, I thought the summon is something that you choose at will. Technically it is, but it's about chakra level. Like for example:

Naruto: Oh! I need a powerful summon now. Let's see. My chakra level is able to use the powerful one.

It's like RPG, hit the right mark to use the powerful form. That said Sasuke is understandable because Manda is gone and/or using him will be bad since he has a bad attitude. Sakura is straightforward and compliment her skills the fact she can summon the highest level. So there you have it. I don't see any reasons why don't have Gamabunta, so it might be a mystery.

About Gamabunta, I thought about it that maybe he'll join later. As if it's related to Jiraiya, what can he do to him ? Unless Jiraiya will show up with Gamabunta which will make me think again; Where does Jiraiya fit in this battle ? Fighting to provide help along Tsunade and Orochimaru ? Maybe.

Well, it's possible for Jiraiya to come back.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't know about Jiraiya coming back but it's a possibility. That said I'm just wondering why Gamabunta didn't participate the summon. I don't see a reason yet much like Karin being an Uzumaki or maybe even not having her listen to Hashirama story. You know what I mean?

[T XD]

I don't know about Jiraiya coming back but it's a possibility. That said I'm just wondering why Gamabunta didn't participate the summon. I don't see a reason yet much like Karin being an Uzumaki or maybe even not having her listen to Hashirama story. You know what I mean?

Yeah, we'll see about it later. Maybe it will turn out that there was really something behind not showing up earlier.

[Canadian_DJ]

Just to get this out of the way, next issue of WSJ (37-38) will be a double issue, meaning there will be no Jump the following week because of Oban Festival
 
so look forward to Kishimoto's traditional cliff hanger at the end of the next chapter

Your friggin kidding me...

[sushi.]

Your friggin kidding me...

On the other hand, that means we'll most likely get a very important chapter next week!

[Atheck]

On the other hand, that means we'll most likely get a very important chapter next week!

 

There are several possibilities. The Jubi could finally begin its final evolution within Tobi, producing a visual and sartorial effect on Tobi that makes him resemble Rikudou Sennin even further. At the conclusion of the chapter, Naruto and his group would monitor this transformation occur in awe as the jinchuuriki continues to transcend what human limitations he may have retained. Or the Kages could arrive in the fasion of "traveling at the speed of plot" trope where a dramatic entrance is necessary.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think the arrival of kages could be the cliffhanger. It will be nice for Edo Hokages to continue passing torch to newer generation, including Tsunade.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I think the arrival of kages could be the cliffhanger. It will be nice for Edo Hokages to continue passing torch to newer generation, including Tsunade.

If Tsunade arrives now, omg Sakura will join the fight :)

[TouKen4Life3g]

If Tsunade arrives now, omg Sakura will join the fight :)

That's...true. Hm. You know, I'm wondering if Naruto will be worried because Obito is no doubt a man who can do one shot kill. Isn't that right, Hiruzen? Oh... Anyway, I feel that Naruto could get more worried because Obito is just way too much. Maybe Kishi purposely have their strongest tactic on Obito happened already so when Obito survives it like nothing, then Naruto will be worried for anyone else to enter. Heck he was worried about Edo guys, a freaking Edo! So Sakura in the mix will make him worried. I just hope Minato don't blurt out that she's his girlfriend before he takes an advantage to have Naruto be a shield.

[T XD]

I think she'll engage with the alliance when they go in to help. She would fight and heal, if she'll heal, at the same time. It's either that or she'll fight when she sees the moment is right to do so.

Edited by T XD, 03 August 2013 - 09:36 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think she'll engage with the alliance when they go in to help. She would fight and heal, if she'll heal, at the same time. It's either that or she'll fight when she sees the moment is right to do so.

That parallel trigger is getting closer. It's going to happen.

[Atheck]

If Tsunade arrives now, omg Sakura will join the fight :)

 

That's assuming either will join the fray. We need not forget that Tsunade has a personal vendetta with Madara, as do all the Kages with their oath actually to see that he is defeated by them. It holds symbilistic value if they are the ones to destroy his warped perception that the succeeding generations are somehow inferior to either him or Hashirama. Granted Hashirama's Mokuton abilities could be integral in their eventual victory so that ideal may be devauled. You could argue that it already has with the previous Hokages being revived to save the Alliance from absolute destruction.

 

Furthermore, there is some long awaited grandfather and daughter interactions to be had. Tsunade and Hashirama haven't see each other in decades. He may not even recognise her. It's a character relationship that Kishi will definitely not leave unattended to. Hiruzen and Tobirama may also have a few choice words for this boisterous and impulsive woman who has assumed the mantle of Hokage. There's great meaning for her participation in this battle rather than just serving as the Alliance's medic. Isn't that the purpose of the medical division anyways?

 

Like the other poster mentioned, Sakura will likely act in a joint effort when everyone else discerns an opening through which to attack Tobi.

[T XD]

That parallel trigger is getting closer. It's going to happen.

Yup, the moment Sakura steps in, the parallel is set and will take process till the parallel is ready to be occurring.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

That's assuming either will join the fray. We need not forget that Tsunade has a personal vendetta with Madara, as do all the Kages with their oath actually to see that he is defeated by them. It holds symbilistic value if they are the ones to destroy his warped perception that the succeeding generations are somehow inferior to either him or Hashirama. Granted Hashirama's Mokuton abilities could be integral in their eventual victory so that ideal may be devauled. You could argue that it already has with the previous Hokages being revived to save the Alliance from absolute destruction.

 

Furthermore, there is some long awaited grandfather and daughter interactions to be had. Tsunade and Hashirama haven't see each other in decades. He may not even recognise her. It's a character relationship that Kishi will definitely not leave unattended to. Hiruzen and Tobirama may also have a few choice words for this boisterous and impulsive woman who has assumed the mantle of Hokage. There's great meaning for her participation in this battle rather than just serving as the Alliance's medic. Isn't that the purpose of the medical division anyways?

 

Like the other poster mentioned, Sakura will likely act in a joint effort when everyone else discerns an opening through which to attack Tobi.

But you forgot that Sakura and Tsunade also will face each other, remind that Sakura awakened her seal and she is her sucessor on skills, right then would be more obvious for Tsunade to take Sakura's role in healing and tells her to help Naruto on the fight.

Since it's the current generation that surpass the previous one.

[Atheck]

But you forgot that Sakura and Tsunade also will face each other, remind that Sakura awakened her seal and she is her sucessor on skills,

 
That doesn't equate to Sakura assuming Tsunade's declaration or her relationships with her blood relatives and deceased sensei. If Katsuyu didn't inform Tsunade of her achievement, then she will soon be made of aware of its existence. That conversation will pan out for a few panels. There isn't really much that needs to said from Sakura regarding the seal and comparative to Tsunade's uncertain relations with the above people, it won't hold as much significance probably.
 

right then would be more obvious for Tsunade to take Sakura's role in healing and tells her to help Naruto on the fight.

Tsunade's personality is much like Naruto's. Obstinate, resolved in her convictions, and unyielding to the circumstances that would compel anyone to stop in their actions. Her reasons for fighting are just as important, if not moreso than Sakura's. In truth, the battle with Tobi is a situation that neither her or the Alliance have much place in at the moment. Her moment of contribution lies in her ability to heal the injured and revitalise them where they are able to fight again. She truly is a white mage and currently she's chosen to remain at the side of the Alliance members.

Besides, her fighting abilities wouldn't offer much if even Naruto and Sasuke are unable damage Tobi without relying on trickery and unknowingness. Her moment to strike will come at the same time when the Alliance chooses to intervene.
 

Since it's the current generation that surpass the previous one.

The phrase "current generation" doesn't preclude the Kages or anyone born before the 3rd Ninja War. It's a reference to those living presently learning from the mistakes of their forefathers and shaping themselves to bring about a more stable and self-sufficient world. That's exactly what the Kages experienced when they were influenced by Naruto's dogma, Tsunade included. Each and every one of them is entitled to that same opportunity to prove themselves, not just the youth. To deny them this privelage is to go against one of the underlying principals of the manga in matters of repentance and reevaluation.

Edited by Atheck, 03 August 2013 - 10:43 PM.

[megi]

Pretty sure by Shikamaru's speech that everyone will be surging into the fight at one time or another. But when? 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 
That doesn't equate to Sakura assuming Tsunade's declaration or her relationships with her blood relatives and deceased sensei. If Katsuyu didn't inform Tsunade of her achievement, then she will soon be made of aware of its existence. That conversation will pan out for a few panels. There isn't really much that needs to said from Sakura regarding the seal and comparative to Tsunade's uncertain relations with the above people, it won't hold as much significance probably.
 

Tsunade's personality is much like Naruto's. Obstinate, resolved in her convictions, and unyielding to the circumstances that would compel anyone to stop in their actions. Her reasons for fighting are just as important, if not moreso than Sakura's. In truth, the battle with Tobi is a situation that neither her or the Alliance have much place in at the moment. Her moment of contribution lies in her ability to heal the injured and revitalise them where they are able to fight again. She truly is a white mage and currently she's chosen to remain at the side of the Alliance members.

Besides, her fighting abilities wouldn't offer much if even Naruto and Sasuke are unable damage Tobi without relying on trickery and unknowingness. Her moment to strike will come at the same time when the Alliance chooses to intervene.
 

The phrase "current generation" doesn't preclude the Kages or anyone born before the 3rd Ninja War. It's a reference to those living presently learning from the mistakes of their forefathers and shaping themselves to bring about a more stable and self-sufficient world. That's exactly what the Kages experienced when they were influenced by Naruto's dogma, Tsunade included. Each and every one of them is entitled to that same opportunity to prove themselves, not just the youth. To deny them this privelage is to go against one of the underlying principals of the manga in matters of repentance and reevaluation.

I'm sorry but Tsunade nd Sakura's relation equal to a relative, shodaime might be fighting Madara but still a talk with Sakura is more important.

It's Japanese manga after all, bonds are really important, getting acknowledged by her master is what is left for Sakura in terms of non romance development and it's obvious she will be the first Tsunade will interact, the chances are very high.

 

Madara and Hashirama are having their personal fight, the other kages might jump to help Shodaime but it's believable that Tsunade will take Sakura's spot as healing.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 August 2013 - 10:51 PM.

[Atheck]

I'm sorry but Tsunade nd Sakura's relation equal to a relative,

It isn't really. Tsunade and Sakura's on-screen relationship has been limited to just a formal student-teacher relationship. The extent of her reaction to Sakura's seal materalising is just that. She offers her compliments for having developed fuinjutsu that not even her original pupil could succeed at. To suggest that their conversation would delve into anything separate from their interactions as master and apprentice is just idle speculation.
 

shodaime might be fighting Madara but still a talk with Sakura is more important.

Communicating with her own grandfather whom she has not seen for many, many years and easing his apprehensive mind that she has come into her own as a competent successor to the Hokage name isn't more significant than giving props to Sakura? How did you arrive to that conclusion?
 

It's Japanese manga after all, bonds are really important, getting acknowledged by her master is what is left for Sakura in terms of non romance development and it's obvious she will be the first Tsunade will interact, the chances are very high.

You're correct in arguing that Sakura may very well be the first person whom Tsunade interacts provided. Well, depending on how she makes her entrance onto the battlefield, her first words may be directed towards Naruto and his group or someone else entirely.

But that is beside the point. Sakura receiving Tsunade's approval doesn't require a long-winded commentary to fulfill. A simple congratulatory statement and condensed reference about all of the progress that she has made thus far will suffice. It was enough for Naruto when he apparently surpassed Kakashi. Why does Sakura require anything more?
 
Bonds are significant. But that argument strongly relates to familial ties as much as predecessor and successor ones as well. Not that they won't play a significant role in the upcoming chapters. Tsunade may fight with the intention of proving herself worthy of the Hokage title.
 

Madara and Hashirama are having their personal fight, the other kages might jump to help Shodaime but it's believable that Tsunade will take Sakura's spot as healing.

The questionable reasoning of that decision aside, Kishi is not going to discard this opportunity for the Senju relatives to interact. Hell, he dedicated an entire chapter to the Hokages becoming reacquainted with themselves after Orochimaru revived them. Tsunade holds a unique and personal relationship to all of these men either through blood or team placement. Her reference to Minato in P1 implies that she had interactions even with him.

Tsunade's relatonship with the Hokages is very significant both personally and impersonally. There isn't a need for me to restate the dynamics behind Sakura and Tsunade's interactions. Frankly, I strongly believe that much more time is going to be dedicated to these inevitable Hokage-to-Hokage moments.

Edited by Atheck, 03 August 2013 - 11:33 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It isn't really. Tsunade and Sakura's on-screen relationship has been limited to just a formal student-teacher relationship. The extent of her reaction to Sakura's seal materalising is just that. She offers her compliments for having developed fuinjutsu that not even her original pupil could succeed at. To suggest that their conversation would delve into anything separate from their interactions as master and apprentice is just idle speculation.
 

Communicating with her own grandfather whom she has not seen for many, many years and easing his apprehensive mind that she has come into her own as a competent successor to the Hokage name isn't more significant than giving props to Sakura? How did you arrive to that conclusion?
 

You're correct in arguing that Sakura may very well be the first person whom Tsunade interacts provided. Well, depending on how she makes her entrance onto the battlefield, her first words may be directed towards Naruto and his group or someone else entirely.

But that is beside the point. Sakura receiving Tsunade's approval doesn't require a long-winded commentary to fulfill. A simple congratulatory statement and condensed reference about all of the progress that she has made thus far will suffice. It was enough for Naruto when he apparently surpassed Kakashi. Why does Sakura require anything more?
 
Bonds are significant. But that argument strongly relates to familial ties as much as predecessor and successor ones as well. Not that they won't play a significant role in the upcoming chapters. Tsunade may fight with the intention of proving herself worthy of the Hokage title.
 

The questionable reasoning of that decision aside, Kishi is not going to discard this opportunity for the Senju relatives to interact. Hell, he dedicated an entire chapter to the Hokages becoming reacquainted with themselves after Orochimaru revived them. Tsunade holds a unique and personal relationship to all of these men either through blood or team placement. Her reference to Minato in P1 implies that she had interactions even with him.

More a questionable decision is that Sakura got a power up because she wanted to be usefull for Naruto and help him on his quest, that's why, then she get back healing people when she wants to be there fighting alongside them, just to give some interaction to Shodaime and Tsunade, i mean Tsunade is her teacher and she knows what Sakura is going on though, she wants to be there where Naruto and Sasuke are, but the problem is that she has continue healing the fodder ninjas, Tsunade gets there so better fulfill her pupil's wishes or goes to talk with the shodaime which she can do it later?

I mean it's very inconsistent, i believe that Tsunade will give her seal of approval to Sakura and will tell her to go help Naruto and Sasuke.