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#361 redragon88

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 10:45 PM

QUOTE (Nate River @ Feb 8 2013, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is missing my point.

I'm not saying that I would refuse to accept Sasuke's ultimate redemption. Since I do not know the method it will come about, I can't say what I will think of it. All I mean is that it is the primary basis for me not liking SK. You seem to be saying that illegimate, I do not think so.

Like I said, I would be okay with forgiving him, but not starting a family with him.

Sorry, I'm a little confused with the bolded. You're saying that I'm telling something illegitimate? I'm not following.

Not wanting Sasuke to have a family is the moral line you impose on him, but that's your own. Kishimoto might not agree with you on it, he could, but I'm not sure if that's what he wants given how he wants us to feel sorry for Sasuke.

The point is the moral line is the one the author establishes. It's ok for you to disagree with the decision but at least I hope you understand why such a decision is made in the first place. It's not that the author doesn't care about the implications it can have on the audience, it's that the author might just think that given the fictional nature of the work that it might not be judged in the same level as it would in real life.

QUOTE (Weltall @ Feb 8 2013, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We were never supposed to feel sorry for Vegeta, whereas Sasuke is a poor victim of the ninja system and his genetic makeup shamefulcry0js.gif
No offense but I don't see how you can compare between db and Naruto, db never tried to convey any message it was all about fights, Naruto is trying to convey a moral message altough it fail at that.

No offense but given that we weren't supposed to feel sorry for Vegeta and that there isn't any message in having him become a good guy that just makes his change way more strange than anything Sasuke could offer.

At least Sasuke has some backing for becoming good again. Vegeta kinda just happened, just for the sake of having him on the good side.

Saying that it's ok for Vegeta to be good but not for Sasuke is a terrible double standard that I can't believe people are actually defending.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 10:57 PM

QUOTE (T XD @ Feb 8 2013, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When Sasuke is redeemed and if he still alive, he'll sure pay a price for his vicious actions. He won't be like still alive and walk peacefully ahead with the sun going down !

Staying alive, he'll pay a price in a way or another. It has many different ways for it.


I could not agree more. If he doesn't pay the consequences that amounts to his crimes in some way, I will be royally pissed.


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 10:59 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Feb 9 2013, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope that's the case because all happy ending will leave a bad taste. Actually, he just need to face a consequence, so I can be like "Ok, that's fair." To me, banishment is the right choice and it seems the best thing you can get. Besides, Sasuke is used to it, so why not go on. In matter of fact, he could do what Orochimaru did, only for good. Not experimenting part, but to have a village. I'm pretty sure no one has a satellite to track him. happy.gif

About Gaara, well you got to remember, the village was the one that allowed Gaara to do his things, which is why he didn't face real consequences. Granted, he killed people but the village was ok, since he was seen as a weapon. Plus, ninja do kill people, don't forget. As for Sasuke, he's doing for himself. He's not under orders and if he is, it's under terrorism, not legit. It's a threat to the world, not to one nation. Sand and Leaf was an act of war (like world war), while Sasuke and all was an act of war on terrorism. After it all ends, no one is backing up Sasuke and one person won't do.

If he'll still be alive, it's going to be a case similar to this one. There's no other than this option and the ones close to it. But, he may well die.
I seriously see that Sasuke redeemed and dying, and Sasuke redeemed and becoming a wanderer, are two equaled options with the same amount of possibility.

Edited by T XD, 08 February 2013 - 11:01 PM.


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:03 PM

QUOTE (T XD @ Feb 8 2013, 05:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If he'll still be alive, it's going to be a case similar to this one. There's no other than this option and the ones close to it. But, he may well die.
I seriously see that Sasuke redeemed and dying, and Sasuke redeemed and becoming a wanderer, are two equaled options with the same amount of possibility.

Couldn't agree more. Besides, if his team stays alive (most likely for now), then he won't be alone.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:14 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Feb 9 2013, 02:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Couldn't agree more. Besides, if his team stays alive (most likely for now), then he won't be alone.

I don't see Karin, Suigetsu and Juugo dying. These characters seem to be created to accompany Sasuke all the time, and to be with him wherever he goes.

If they die, then I'll be unsurprised since the last battle between Sasuke and Naruto is full of threats to end the lives of whoever is with them in the same place or steps in. Though, I think that I'll be a little sad if they die. I somewhat like those three characters XD

Edited by T XD, 08 February 2013 - 11:24 PM.


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:14 PM

One of my predictions, this is also the best solution I can come up with.

- Sasuke VS Naruto, they almost beat eachother to death. Naruto knocks sense into Sasuke in a magical way.
- Sasuke gets banished, travels around the world with Taka. He will then find his own place in the world. And also find a new meaning of life, because when his revenge is gone, what will he do? He solely exists for revenge and needs to replace it with happiness.
- (fanfiction part love.gif)He comes back to Konoha after like...10 years? Just for a visit. "Naruto, you're Hokage now. I know that I can trust Konoha when it lies in your hands." Then he becomes Naruto's secret spy from the outside, whenever he needs help. Team 7.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:18 PM

QUOTE (T XD @ Feb 8 2013, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't see Karin, Suigetsu and Juugo dying. These characters seems to be created to accompany Sasuke all the time, and to be with him wherever he goes.

If they die, then I'll be unsurprised since the last battle between Sasuke and Naruto is full of threats to end the lives of whoever is with them in the same place or steps in. Though, I think that I'll be a little sad if they die. I somewhat like those three characters XD

I do like them too. That one chapter where they rest as Sasuke recovers is funny to me because it's so active with Suigetsu being all poking fun, Karin being in charge, and Juugo being nice but one moment he can go crazy. It's just lively. I wonder why Kishi even showed that whole scene.


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:23 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Feb 9 2013, 02:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I do like them too. That one chapter where they rest as Sasuke recovers is funny to me because it's so active with Suigetsu being all poking fun, Karin being in charge, and Juugo being nice but one moment he can go crazy. It's just lively. I wonder why Kishi even showed that whole scene.

Now, I'll be more sad if they die shamefulcry0js.gif

This dynamism in Team Taka is something so nice XD

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:28 PM

QUOTE (T XD @ Feb 8 2013, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now, I'll be more sad if they die shamefulcry0js.gif

This dynamism in Team Taka is something so nice XD

Me too. Not to mention how they worked together during Killer Bee fight. If that's not team, then what is. If Kishi didn't want them, why have Karin alive? Why have Kabuto taunting Sasuke about his team? It makes me wonder.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:31 PM

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Feb 8 2013, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
so? gaara was part of the take down konoha plan, killed some nameless ninja contestants, almost killed lee twice and threatened naruto and shikamaru and almost killed sakura.........and sasuke XD

sasuke almost killed sakura, karin......(he was never close to killing the kages...come on) killed danzo, deidara, itachi and a few nameless samurai

they have different situations but they both seem to be in the same boat. THEY KILLED!! XD it doesn't matter whether gaara had a hard life or whether sasuke felt betrayed by his brother and his village....they both killed at least ONE innocent person

they also both didn't kill anyone important.
and thats why gaara was able to be redeemed, do you think he would have been redeemable if he killed sakura?? do you think naruto would have accepted him?? NOWAY!

sasuke hasn't killed anyone important or good either and THATS why...just like gaara he has just a great a chance to be redeemed

cause let's face it, THREATENING does not equal KILLING

so what i'm saying is....SASUKE IS LIKE GAARA AND HE DOES HAVE A CHANCE TO BE REDEEMED. I don't care if sasuke was being emo when he left the village and had it good, that doesn't matter what matters is what evil he's done and if he has a chance to be saved.

here let me put a smiley face to show i'm not getting worked up -----> biggrin.gif

He got redeemed but he paid the price and Gaara was acting based on orders, both the kages were dead and the sand ninjas were manipulated.

About the bolded and more, you're talking about other things, Sasuke did not kill Sakura but he did a lot of bad things and comparing those to Gaara they were on the same level but Gaara paid the price and did more he sacrificed himself for the village, so for Gaara it wasnt all "nice and okay", Nagato sacrificed his life "wanst nice and okay".

Now going back to the bolded Naruto would not forgive him if he killed Sakura, he would pursue revenge if it happened before the pain's arc.
Naruto wasnt able to forgive Nagato after what he did to Konoha he only forgive after he sacrificed his life to ressurrect everyone now that was easy to forgive wasnt?

I'm saying is Sasuke has to pay the price like the other villains, or will be looked down like the biggest victim of the series, Gaara was a victim but no one looked like this to him and he himself knew it.


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:38 PM

There seem to be a lot of strong parallels to the themes in Star Wars.

The strongest similarity to me is really the core of both star wars and naruto. The world has been thrown out of balance and it is foretold that there will be one to bring it back into balance. Then who we thought to be the chosen one goes down the wrong path and it ends up being another (related) person that brings the world into balance.

Star Wars: Bring the force into balance.
Naruto: Bring the shinobi world into balance.

Star Wars: Thought-to-be chosen one is Anakin
Naruto: Thought-to-be chosen one is Nagato

Star Wars: But anakin loses padme and is influenced by Darth Sidious and the promise of power turns him to the dark side.
Naruto: But Nagato loses Yahiko and is influenced by Obito (and Madara) and it turns him to "the dark side." You can also see that the promise of power turned Sasuke.

Star Wars: And then it turns out the chosen one is Luke. Orphan.
Naruto: And then it turns out the chosen one is Naruto. Orphan.

Star Wars: Obi-Wan was Anakin's master and becomes Luke's. He has been secretly watching over him.
Naruto: Jiraiya was Nagato's master and becomes Naruto's. He has (or was supposed to) watch over him.

Star Wars: Luke loses Obi-Wan but doesn't turn to the dark side.
Naruto: Naruto loses Jiraiya but sticks with his ideals and doesn't turn.

Star Wars: Luke defeats his false predecessor (Vader) and in the end convinces him he was wrong and Vader is martyred.
Naruto: Naruto defeats his false predecessor (Nagato) and in the end convinces him he was wrong and Nagato is martyred.


It is kind of shocking to me how closely parallel they are.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:38 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Feb 9 2013, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Me too. Not to mention how they worked together during Killer Bee fight. If that's not team, then what is. If Kishi didn't want them, why have Karin alive? Why have Kabuto taunting Sasuke about his team? It makes me wonder.

You know, with those questions, Kishi seems to tell that Karin, Suigetsu and Juugo are always going to be there.

Sometimes, I wonder how it will be Karin's reuniting thing with Sasuke, Suigetsu and Juugo. I just want to see what she'll do when she sees Sasuke again, after he tried to kill her.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:55 PM

QUOTE (T XD @ Feb 9 2013, 12:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know, with those questions, Kishi seems to tell that Karin, Suigetsu and Juugo are always going to be there.

Sometimes, I wonder how it will be Karin's reuniting thing with Sasuke, Suigetsu and Juugo. I just want to see what she'll do when she sees Sasuke again, after he tried to kill her.

i think it will be dramatic unless kishi does a plot twist and shows karin on the battlefield using the sealing jutsus that resemble Kushina and then "lol a girl like my mother".

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:55 PM

QUOTE (T XD @ Feb 8 2013, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know, with those questions, Kishi seems to tell that Karin, Suigetsu and Juugo are always going to be there.

Sometimes, I wonder how it will be Karin's reuniting thing with Sasuke, Suigetsu and Juugo. I just want to see what she'll do when she sees Sasuke again, after he tried to kill her.

So do I. It's really making me question on what's the hold up, especially she carries the blood of Uzumaki. I want to see how everything will go down. Frankly, I want to see if Orochimaru got anything to say, since she seems to know a lot of Uzumaki as of late.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:59 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Feb 9 2013, 02:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So do I. It's really making me question on what's the hold up, especially she carries the blood of Uzumaki. I want to see how everything will go down. Frankly, I want to see if Orochimaru got anything to say, since she seems to know a lot of Uzumaki as of late.

That, and I think there's going to be some comic relief. I mean it's Karin XD

Well, Orochimaru has things to say on every single thing when he's shown. He's like a dictionary that you go to for some information fu.png

QUOTE (narusaku4ver @ Feb 9 2013, 02:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i think it will be dramatic unless kishi does a plot twist and shows karin on the battlefield using the sealing jutsus that resemble Kushina and then "lol a girl like my mother".

It can be dramatic but not fully dramatic. Though, I don't think that Karin will use sealing jutsus. It's out of nowehere laugh.gif. She isn't that type of a fighter, unless it's a surprise XD. Still, I don't think that her character will do something major like this.

Edited by T XD, 09 February 2013 - 12:04 AM.


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 12:01 AM

QUOTE (T XD @ Feb 8 2013, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That, and I think there's going to be some comic relief. I mean it's Karin XD

Well, Orochimaru has things to say on every single thing when he's shown. He's like a dictionary that you go to for some information fu.png

Lol that's true. I do think we will see her again in the set of chapters within the volume. We just have to wait. Luckily, I don't mind since these Kages are already fun to watch.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 12:10 AM

Agree with everyone who believes SS and SK is a nutshell and nothing but Bull S. mad.gif

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 12:13 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Feb 9 2013, 03:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lol that's true. I do think we will see her again in the set of chapters within the volume. We just have to wait. Luckily, I don't mind since these Kages are already fun to watch.

Yeah, these Kages are fun to watch XD, especially Hashirama, and I think Minato will make some funny moments. I don't think all the upcoming chapters with Sasuke and the Kages will be just full sessions of explanation of the history of Konoha and other stuff, which I really hope at the same time that Kishi doesn't stretch it with just that :/

Edited by T XD, 09 February 2013 - 12:26 AM.


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 12:19 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Feb 8 2013, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Agree with everyone who believes SS and SK is a nutshell and nothing but Bull S. mad.gif


Amen. God, do I really hate those couples. SS more so but SK just upsets me until it gets better and Sasuke has to work to gain Karin's trust and respect again.

Also, am I the only one who never really saw that much importance in Team Taka? I thought they were just there, not actually being seen again in the grand scheme of things. I mean, I know Sasuke grew to care for them and at one point was reminded of T7 but then he went dark. I'm sure when he turns good, if he didn't die, he would fix things with them but for some reason I always saw T7 being more important relating to Sasuke's bonds. I guess that's the point. There's more emphasis on a Team 7 ending, not a Team Taka ending. I didn't really wonder that much on what happens with them, though I'm sure Karin is more important than the rest of them.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 09 February 2013 - 12:20 AM.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 12:23 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Feb 8 2013, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Amen. God, do I really hate those couples. SS more so but SK just upsets me until it gets better and Sasuke has to work to gain Karin's trust and respect again.

Also, am I the only one who never really saw that much importance in Team Taka? I thought they were just there, not actually being seen again in the grand scheme of things. I mean, I know Sasuke grew to care for them and at one point was reminded of T7 but then he went dark. I'm sure when he turns good, if he didn't die, he would fix things with them but for some reason I always saw T7 being more important relating to Sasuke's bonds. I guess that's the point. There's more emphasis on a Team 7 ending, not a Team Taka ending. I didn't really wonder that much on what happens with them, though I'm sure Karin is more important than the rest of them.

The thing is it would have been like that if Kishi didn't have to put a lot of emphasis during Killer Bee fight. Around that time, it could have been a great time to kill one of them off. Also, Kishi did it again with Kabuto's fight. We shouldn't get a lot from those who will be wasted in no time. They sure have more than Sound 5, that's for sure, like it or not. My point is that while they're not important to the overall plot, they seemed like they may adapt something coming from Team 7. Again, why keep them or even give them spotlights at times. But everyone got their own opinions.




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