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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

NO for me thats defenitly no hint. Since when is "thanks for beeing by my side" the same as i love you too?

Didnt Sakura said the same a lot of chapters ago.

[Codus N]

NO for me thats defenitly no hint. Since when is "thanks for beeing by my side" the same as i love you too?

Call it what you want. But it's better to accept some things beforehand so that you don't end up with a massive disappointment. Just like how the ObiTobi non-believers got devastated and tore their hairs apart when 599 came out.

I won't say it's canon now, but I will accept this chapter as a hint towards NH becoming canon.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Call it what you want. But it's better to accept some things beforehand so that you don't end up with a massive disappointment. Just like how the ObiTobi non-believers got devastated and tore their hairs apart when 599 came out.

I won't say it's canon now, but I will accept this chapter as a hint towards NH becoming canon.

It depends on the next chapters, it indeed is but it's something that can be destroyed with a NS stuff, you know that, if Naruto has a NS scene on this arc the whole holding hands would mean nothing since he proves again that he loves her and etc we will come back to the same loop.
(which is what i'm hoping for)

the things is there's nothing to develop on hinata anymore, which is good.
Characters like this tend to die or just be forgotten to be bring up again on the last chapters.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 December 2012 - 01:28 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

what's do you think about this chapter? Is it really the final blow for us?

Is true that in Japan holding hands is a romantic gesture?

What I think about this chapter?
I WANT MORE SAKURA! Oh and Hinata had nice development too!

Is it really the final blow for us?
If I thought it would be damaging for NS, I wouldn't be here in the first place.

Is true that in Japan holding hands is a romantic gesture?
Why do we have to put in Japanese gestures in consideration? There are many scenes in Naruto that doesn't match with Japanese gestures.
In Japan, sticking foreheads should be romantic. Itachi was sticking heads with Sasuke, saying that he really loves him. In Japan, if two brothers sticked their foreheads with each other, it would be considered disgusting.
In Japan, kissing(even if it's only forehead) should only happen between a romantic relationship between a boy and a girl. Never within a family or friend.
Yet, Tsunade kissed Nawaki, and Naruto. If this happened in a real life setting in Japan, Nawaki would cry out "Ewwwwww my sister kissed me!" and Naruto would cry out "Ewwwwww an old lady kissed me!"

So asking about Japanese gestures aren't really going to help.

[Codus N]

It depends on the next chapters, it indeed is but it's something that can be destroyed with a NS stuff, you know that, if Naruto has a NS scene on this arc the whole holding hands would mean nothing since he proves again that he loves her and etc we will come back to the same loop.

the things is there's nothing to develop on hinata anymore, which is good.
Characters like this tend to die or just be forgotten to be bring up again on the last chapters.

If you're saying that there will be a big NS moment after these few chapters, that would be great. But Kishi will have to do something BIG to make it work.

[TheClover]

The problem is not NH, the problem is consistency. Naruto has loved Sakura during the whole manga, Sakura has been developing with Naruto all this time and even after all of that she still loves Sasuke but Naruto the main character who never gives up who never changes his mind or regrets his feelings will suddenly stop loving without any indication beforehand and suddenly fall in love. Sorry but that's bad writing, I'm just asking for Kishi to be consistent and not off panel his main character's feelings.

Your points are certainly valid, as this is what we've been told, but even so, as with Sakura's feelings for Sasuke, the tide can always (supposedly?) turn.

In addition, nothing is all that clear at the moment in regards to who loves who, excluding Hinata's feelings. You just have to ask: Does Sakura still really love Sasuke? Is Naruto really returning Hinata's feelings? We can't say much until Kishi solidifies what exactly he's thinking. All we can do now is wait, as we've always done.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

If you're saying that there will be a big NS moment after these few chapters, that would be great. But Kishi will have to do something BIG to make it work.

i'm saying is if we got a big NS moment the whole holding hand will not matter, because once again naruto proves that he loves Sakura, and since hinata development is complete she would be not returning to a spolight soon, and therefore we will have a arc about naruto sakura and sasuke, then going to a tension about SS or NS.

Obito's speech didnt work but he will try again, to bring despair on Naruto his last attempt, before talk-no-jutsu starts working.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 December 2012 - 01:31 PM.

[MakeMoneyEatRice]

Yes, there is. Naruto says to Hinata "Thanks for being by my side." That's a hint of him accepting her feelings. Hell, you could even argue that statement is essentially him asking her to be his partner in life. When someone asks you or tells you that she/he is grateful to have you by his/her side, isn't that essentially saying the same "I love you"?? how many of you has had people telling you that he/she's glad to have you by his/her side?? how would you interpret his/her words?? friendship?? romance?? depends on your relationship of course.

It isn't clear-cut, but the truth of Naruto's statement hangs in what he thinks of her. Which is something that needs to be delved into to fully resolve this matter. This time, Kishi has better not be playing games anymore. I'm already sick of it. But nonetheless, this statement of Naruto's is a definite hint.

He needs to provide a clear view of Naruto's POV on the people that he cares about.

I call BULLSH!T! Wait wait what you're telling us is that because Naruto said "Thanks for being by my side" means he loves her? My God he clearly said that because she was there to encourage and inspire him when he began losing his hope.

And what you're also trying to say is that Kishimoto magically made Naruto fall in love with Hinata after one chapter ONE CHAPTER, Your logic is telling me that Sakura obviously loves Naruto since when someone encourages you, you instantly fall in love with them. I think this whole NaruHina thing is getting in your head. For Hinatas point of view everything was romantic but for him Naruto no just NO! I would be in denial if said that this wasn't a NaruHina moment.

[Nefertieh]

Call it what you want. But it's better to accept some things beforehand so that you don't end up with a massive disappointment. Just like how the ObiTobi non-believers got devastated and tore their hairs apart when 599 came out.

I won't say it's canon now, but I will accept this chapter as a hint towards NH becoming canon.

Well put. I just feel so sorry for Neji right now. Where is his thankyou? XD

[PhenixElite]

Call it what you want. But it's better to accept some things beforehand so that you don't end up with a massive disappointment. Just like how the ObiTobi non-believers got devastated and tore their hairs apart when 599 came out.

I won't say it's canon now, but I will accept this chapter as a hint towards NH becoming canon.

Well, im just staying positive. I wont give up on NS till the very last chapter, no matter whats happening.
If its really NH or SS, i of course will be dissapointed, but we shouldnt forget, that its just a manga.
It only will be sad because a love story with such great potential would be ruined through NH and SS.

[Awes9]

Call it what you want. But it's better to accept some things beforehand so that you don't end up with a massive disappointment. Just like how the ObiTobi non-believers got devastated and tore their hairs apart when 599 came out.

I won't say it's canon now, but I will accept this chapter as a hint towards NH becoming canon.

Very true I think people should aknowledge NH's possibility, and yes this chapters could be seen as a hint because that's the first time Naruto has reacted that way towards Hinata. I do think your ObiTobi is a bad example tough since Tobi = Madara was a red herring and the obvious candidate was the right one, I still get what you say.

[Codus N]

I call BULLSH!T! Wait wait what you're telling us is that because Naruto said "Thanks for being by my side" means he loves her? My God he clearly said that because she was there to encourage and inspire him when he began losing his hope.

And what you're also trying to say is that Kishimoto magically made Naruto fall in love with Hinata after one chapter ONE CHAPTER, Your logic is telling me that Sakura obviously loves Naruto since when someone encourages you, you instantly fall in love with them. I think this whole NaruHina thing is getting in your head. For Hinatas point of view everything was romantic but for him Naruto no just NO! I would be in denial if said that this wasn't a NaruHina moment.

It all depends. The way I see it, and how it's been set up so far, it's intended to be romantic. In other words, it's saying "I love you". But the real deal is whether Naruto sees it as such. If we want to determine NH is canon or not, we need to see Naruto's POV. And Kishi had better deliver and quit playing games.

Well put. I just feel so sorry for Neji right now. Where is his thankyou? XD

Poor Neji. He's become nothing but a sacrificial lamb for NH.

EDIT: YE GADS. it's page 19 already and it's only been about 7 hours. At this rate, this thread will grow to 30+ pages at midnight where I live.

Edited by Codus N, 27 December 2012 - 01:37 PM.

[Nefertieh]

I call BULLSH!T! Wait wait what you're telling us is that because Naruto said "Thanks for being by my side" means he loves her? My God he clearly said that because she was there to encourage and inspire him when he began losing his hope.

And what you're also trying to say is that Kishimoto magically made Naruto fall in love with Hinata after one chapter ONE CHAPTER, Your logic is telling me that Sakura obviously loves Naruto since when someone encourages you, you instantly fall in love with them. I think this whole NaruHina thing is getting in your head. For Hinatas point of view everything was romantic but for him Naruto no just NO! I would be in denial if said that this wasn't a NaruHina moment.

I think that, in this context, it could be a subtle foreshadowing of possibly more naruhina development in the future. The sooner you accept it, the less upset you would be if they do end up together.

[lupina]

Why did Hinata get all the attention?
Why DFQ did Hinata does the job Sakura, as the main heroine, should do?
I'm so pissed right now.

Not because of NH. She can get as much screentime as she wants - Naruto STILL LOVES SAKURA.
And I'm gonna stop reading this Manga if I get the slightest impression that this fact will change in the last 100 chapters.

Expecting a lot dramatic SS from now on.
Be prepared.

[Branden]

In an attempt to calm people down, please read my signature.

[Qia]

OMG!!! Hinata touched Naruto's hand it's official NH IS CANON!!!

Joke aside people please calm down can you tell me what's more effective for a romantic sign.

touching Naruto's hand vs hugging him in more than a friendship way in front of an audience (done twice)?

A suicidal confession vs. a confession that made the protagonist blushed?

You know what I think it's going on? To me this is more than just Hinata development, but I think Kishi wants to force Sakura's hand. He is making her want to confess and tell Naruto everything to how she feels. I wouldn't be surprise if next chapter Sakura sees Hinata holding Naruto's hand and she will immediately feel hurt like she did when she was healing her at 442 and with this she will finally reason to take action. Now I know you people will think I'm being a desperate NS fan but please hear me out.

In the entire manga Kishi has never DONE absolutely nothing to make Hinata get close to Naruto or even have any physical contact with him at all. The fact he made her touched Naruto's hand and tell him an inspirational speech (because it was zero romantic no shipping included) this is truly character development and maybe he's finally closing the doors on Hinata's character. However don't lose hope thinking that he's jumping ships just when the ship is almost reaching the shore (No f****** way because that's not Kishi at all). He's not going to troll NS after more than 400 chapters of development the fact he went this far with the physical contact with Naruto (NOW in the story) it can only mean one thing and it's not making NH canon but he's planning something really BIG for Sakura that will probably make it into the mother of all NS moments that will probably finally make the pairing canon. He's showing all the signs that the story is probably reaching it's end and maybe he wants to make the pairing he supports canon before the final battle of the story (Naruto vs Sasuke valley of the end part 2). As for the NH moment besides being one sided as always? Fine let the NH fans have their moment and have a field trip squealing in joy with this chapter because this is just another bone Kishi has thrown to the fans disguise as a big trolling move from the author.

This so much. This may sound a little crazy, but I always thought since the hug happened that Hinata may directly or indirectly shove Sakura to Naruto lol

[ramenanmitsu]

Reading all these posts makes me feel like I'm probably a weirdo.

I thought we should be celebrating....seems like I'm the only one.
Hinata FINALLY got a resolution. This means that we don't have to wait until the end of the manga for NH to be over.
Hinata can move over from Naruto, now that she's holding his hand and standing next to him.
Remember she said she will stop chasing him?

Which ALSO means that we don't have to wait until the very end of the manga to get our NS to be canon.

Probably in a few chapters the whole alliance will stand and make one line or a big circle by holding hands with each other as a sign that they will fight as one, one for whole. And some people will probably feel embarrassed of taking this "hand holdings" so seriously in the first place.

And btw, if you're going to reply to this post with a negative "OMFG YOU'RE DENIAL" then don't even bother replying at all. Because, I will only end up disagreeing with people who weren't really NS fans to begin with.

[primary colours123]

I'm really disappointed in some of us, to be honest. We cracked so easily because of one chapter that seemed to be in favor of the rival pairing. But look at the NH fandom. I'm not saying that they're the friendliest fans in the world, but at the very least, they've seen through all of our development, yet still shipped what they shipped. Shouldn't we strive to be like that ourselves?

Er... I think this is not giving up. We (and by that I don't mean me) are reacting as anyone would. NS always had much more development than any other pairing, and yet, within 2 chapters all the sacrifice and bonding Sakura had for and with Naruto is glossed over in Naruto's eyes by Hinata's because she was there when he got hit by the cluebat?
But I don't find anyone reacting badly. Everyone is making the obligatory claim that they still love NS in almost each post.
I find that automatically understood. Nobody is giving up on liking NS, but they are undeniably disappointed, and for very good reason.
As for NH, I've seen NHers giving up on their ships openly.... but then I could see their POV as well.
In the end it (shipping and related stuff) is all fun, and not to be taken too seriously. 'cause I simply would not like my happiness to be based on whims, and not very well planned out at that of one man (the mangaka). Someday I might, but that is what marriage is all about

Yep Sakura is no more the main heroine of the series, now that the claim of Hinata as did more things for Naruto than Sakura is true.

At the risk of repeating myself, objectively viewing, it's not true , but then I'm completely and happily biased towards Sakura.

Take care,
pc123

Edited by primary colours123, 27 December 2012 - 01:44 PM.

[六道仙人]

If you're saying that there will be a big NS moment after these few chapters, that would be great. But Kishi will have to do something BIG to make it work.

you know, the thing that naruto and hinata are going to fight together worries me

[Awes9]

Your points are certainly valid, as this is what we've been told, but even so, as with Sakura's feelings for Sasuke, the tide can always (supposedly?) turn.

In addition, nothing is all that clear at the moment in regards to who loves who, excluding Hinata's feelings. You just have to ask: Does Sakura still really love Sasuke? Is Naruto really returning Hinata's feelings? We can't say much until Kishi solidifies what exactly he's thinking. All we can do now is wait, as we've always done.

But would you really like for NS to happen without Sakura's feelings for Sasuke to be dealt with beforehand ? I know I would hate it because it would make Sakura's character inconsistent and NS look bad. Yes the tide can turn but it has to be done well, Naruto suddenly loving Hinata without any indication before and forgetting Sakura is just bad writing.
You're right tough we can't say much for now but if NH becomes canon in the next chapters then I won't hold myself from calling Kishi what he is aka a terrible writer.