Jump to content

Close
Photo

Chapter 540


  • This topic is locked This topic is locked
515 replies to this topic

#361 Codus N

Codus N

    Highandnow

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,119 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Anywhere but here!!

Posted 28 May 2011 - 03:28 PM

QUOTE (Living Lavish @ May 28 2011, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
lol @ you believing this your very naive.

its been explained and forshadowed a million times in the manga NARUTO is the only one who understands him and the only one who can get throught to him.
he we actually pull him out the darkness and save him. Sakura knows this better then anybody.

and hes not interested in her at all! he never was before and will never will. to they expect her to forget about what happened with her and Naruto is madness. rolleyes.gif
Sakura simpely has stronger feelings for Naruto we seen when shes sacrificial. there bond is stronger then anybodys besides narusasu.

bringing back Sasuke, Sakura will choose Naruto hints throughtout the manga is telling us this.

SSers seem to be deluding themselves and not looking at the manga as a whole.


Good lord, how am I going to get this through your thick skull?? facepalm.png

I SAID I do NOT support SS. But what I'm trying to convey is a different POV other than the Narusaku POV's here. I'm trying to open you guys up to the possibilities of SS and try to understand where SSers are coming from. I want you to see it from many POV's.

My POV is that this actually helps SS. As much as I hate to admit it, it's quite possibly true. (and a high possibility at that) I'm just trying to give you guys a different way of looking at it.

And yes, I agree that NS will be canon. But that's not to say SS won't either. It's still possible. It's all up to Kishi.

You need to learn how to see things from other POVs.

DO. YOU. UNDERSTAND??!!!

248793.jpg


The family that couldn't be.

[post='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EItApJttbY']An Underrated Song Worth Listening[/post]


#362 Codus N

Codus N

    Highandnow

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,119 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Anywhere but here!!

Posted 28 May 2011 - 03:43 PM

QUOTE (ciardha @ May 28 2011, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, in reply to the comment that Sakura was lying about being in love with Naruto, he said "On the contrary I was portraying an honest and surprisingly determined girl." (I see the Sakura bashers are at it again with attempting to spin Kishimoto's words to not sound as definite... rolleyes.gif So yeah- real simple Kishimoto said Sakura was being 100% honest about being romantically in love with Naruto and believing she had eliminated even any remnant of any feelings she had for Sasuke, even the team mate bond


(Noticed his annoyed comments about the Sakura bashing letters that praised Hinata to the skies and how he mocked that has conveniently been forgotten by Sakura bashing fans too...)


It is very different. Writers decide who the couples are in Japan. The stories ultimately belong to the writer, not the publisher. As soon as the series ends, a Japanese writer can request all rights go back to themselves. The publisher only shares the rights while the story is being published. The story is the writer's creation, editors can only advise a writer, and even they know better to waste time on something like romantic pairings- especially in shonen manga. Editors are much more likely to focus on things like suggesting a writer do a storyline with support characters to develop them more if the manga is popular like Naruto (which the editors did do with Team Taka), or suggesting that when certain plot points happen could be shifted around to make the story have even more impact- it makes the manga last longer without taking away from the writers main storyline.

Japanese culture isn't the same as Chinese, Korean, etc... (Even in comics, that comes out. Chinese comics for guys tend to be more action orientated, romances are definitely just subplots, the females tend to be mostly fighters too. In Korean manhwa female characters tend to be much more traditional than in Japanese manga, and they seem to mostly be some kind of fangirl for a male character, girls that aren't seem to get punished in some way in a lot stories for being too strong willed.)

I'm shaking my head about people so determined to see any pro sasusaku in those panels. The guy is fanboying her and saying any person she's ever loved must be a good person- he's not just harboring a simple attraction like the way it sounded last chapter where her reaction was a neutral polite rejection about already being in love with someone. She sees now from his words the guy is putting her on a pedestal and worshiping her without knowing anything about her personality or background at all. He just finds her attractive and he knows she's very talented and believes he's in love with her just based on that- the exact points that Sakura crushed over Sasuke about. It was a painful and depressing reminder of her really dumb mistake in crushing on Sasuke. She looks sick and depressed, not in love.

People that are inclined to have a negative take on Sakura no matter what will read it as proof that their negative opinions are right (same thing happened when 469 came out) Some people who call themselves narusaku fans are of that type. For them I wonder if it's just they are Naruto fans that just say they are narusaku because Naruto is in love with Sakura. In actuality they don't like Sakura, and that type writes or likes what they call narusaku fanfiction that bashes Sakura and punishes her in some way before they award her to Naruto.

This is not how Kishimoto wants you to see Sakura. He wants you to relate to her as a reader- more than any other character (even Naruto), he wants you to like her, to see her struggles to grow and become a strong person and ninja and relate it to your own life. Sakura is meant to be the readers window into this world. (he's following Takahashi's pattern in shonen manga here- Akane plays that role in Ranma 1/2, and so does Kagome in Inuyasha)


But that's precisely the problem. The problem is Kishi's statement on Sakura. If she had truly been honest, he should've drawn her with BOTH Naruto AND Sasuke as Nowhere pointed out, which makes more sense. And another thing is, if Kishi truly wanted to convey a positive image of Sakura, then why for the love of god, why is he doing this. It just doesn't make sense. In this chapter, Kishi made it look like he was lying about Sakura in that interview. If Kishi truly wanted to give an image potrayal of her moving on from Sasuke, he certainly could've done better than this and I know he can. But he didn't, it makes him look slightly lazy.

(sorry about the double post mods, won't happen again)

248793.jpg


The family that couldn't be.

[post='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EItApJttbY']An Underrated Song Worth Listening[/post]


#363 Living Lavish

Living Lavish

    Special Jounin

  • Special Jounin
  • PipPipPip
  • 799 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London

Posted 28 May 2011 - 03:43 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ May 28 2011, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good lord, how am I going to get this through your thick skull?? facepalm.png

I SAID I do NOT support SS. But what I'm trying to convey is a different POV other than the Narusaku POV's here. I'm trying to open you guys up to the possibilities of SS and try to understand where SSers are coming from. I want you to see it from many POV's.

My POV is that this actually helps SS. As much as I hate to admit it, it's quite possibly true. (and a high possibility at that) I'm just trying to give you guys a different way of looking at it.

And yes, I agree that NS will be canon. But that's not to say SS won't either. It's still possible. It's all up to Kishi.

You need to learn how to see things from other POVs.

DO. YOU. UNDERSTAND??!!!


i was replying to what the SS fans said you in your post ya ass. lol

its impossible. Sakura knows how much it would hurt Naruto. Sakuras feelings for Naruto are nothing after all that? after all the development and forshadowing it
shows that its not gonna work that way.

fot the 5th time i repondeding to this.
It doesn't make a difference is Sasuke comes back good, because he's never shown any romantic interest in Sakura in the entirety of the manga. He was never interested in her that way, and him being redeemed and returning to Konoha isn't going to make his suddenly fall in love with her when he's never shown any inclination of doing so before.

what they really want is TEAM 7 back together again and laugh. not Sakura hooking up with sasuke. thats ridiculious.

I don't believe the pairing was reset in that it is still growing and evolving as the story progresses unlike NH which doesn't have progression on Naruto's end and SS which doesn't have progression on Sasuke's. NS is the only pairing that progresses on both ends.

manga canon fact still gives the greatest support to NaruSaku. With the almost ridiculously lopsided amount of focus and development NaruSaku has in comparison to SS and NH, it's rather hard see either of them becoming canon/ NS not becoming canon in the end.

NARUTO will show sasuke the light and love. like only he can.

Edited by Living Lavish, 28 May 2011 - 03:45 PM.


#364 Codus N

Codus N

    Highandnow

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,119 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Anywhere but here!!

Posted 28 May 2011 - 03:46 PM

QUOTE (Living Lavish @ May 28 2011, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i was replying to what the SS fans said you in your past ya fool.

its impossible. Sakura knows how much it would hurt Naruto. Sakuras feelings for Naruto are nothing after all that? after all the development and forshadowing it
shows that its not gonna work that way.

fot the 5th time i repondeding to this.
It doesn't make a difference is Sasuke comes back good, because he's never shown any romantic interest in Sakura in the entirety of the manga. He was never interested in her that way, and him being redeemed and returning to Konoha isn't going to make his suddenly fall in love with her when he's never shown any inclination of doing so before.

what they really want is TEAM 7 back together again and laugh. not Sakura hooking up with sasuke. thats ridiculious.

I don't believe the pairing was reset in that it is still growing and evolving as the story progresses unlike NH which doesn't have progression on Naruto's end and SS which doesn't have progression on Sasuke's. NS is the only pairing that progresses on both ends.

manga canon fact still gives the greatest support to NaruSaku. With the almost ridiculously lopsided amount of focus and development NaruSaku has in comparison to SS and NH, it's rather hard see either of them becoming canon/ NS not becoming canon in the end.

NARUTO will show sasuke the light and love. like only he can.


Err...... sorry, you're a bit off the mark. tongue.gif I wasn't a SS fan, I was actually a NH fan. tongue.gif I hated SS down to the core. But I'm only providing how a SSer would see it. We clear now??

It's true about what you said about Sasuke but you never know. It's Kishi's work. He decides what to do with the ending, not us.

QUOTE ('jmf')
Here's a theory perhaps Sakura saw that the guy was about to make the same mistake she did by putting her on a pedistal kinda of the way she did too Sasuke way back at the begining of the series and that brought up memories of Sasuke into her thoughts happy.gif just my 2 cents on all this.


Thanks to this guy, I think I now understand what Kishi was trying to do.

But I'm not taking back my words until I decide otherwise.

Edited by Codus N, 28 May 2011 - 03:51 PM.

248793.jpg


The family that couldn't be.

[post='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EItApJttbY']An Underrated Song Worth Listening[/post]


#365 Living Lavish

Living Lavish

    Special Jounin

  • Special Jounin
  • PipPipPip
  • 799 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London

Posted 28 May 2011 - 03:51 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ May 28 2011, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Err...... sorry, you're a bit off the mark. tongue.gif I wasn't a SS fan, I was actually a NH fan. tongue.gif I hated SS down to the core. But I'm only providing how a SSer would see it. We clear now??

It's true about what you said about Sasuke but you never know. It's Kishi's work. He decides what to do with the ending, not us.


well im telling you SS POV has holes in it.

Honestly, with all the slow, gradual and consistent development that NaruSaku has had throughout the manga, it's hard to think of it not happening. Sakura's feelings have changed for Naruto over time from the very beginning of the manga.The reason why it would be strange if NaruSaku doesn't become canon is because of all the development and everything that has happened between these two and that he would spend so much time on it's development and bringing in so many positive and mutual moments between them to then just dismiss it at the end of the series and go with a different pairing. Naruto still loves Sakura and Sakura has been shown to love Naruto as well. Sakura just needs her feelings for Sasuke to be resolved and then realize Naruto that she truly loves him and only him and that he is truly the right one for her. she will find her soulmate in him.

such a complex girl.

Edited by Living Lavish, 28 May 2011 - 03:55 PM.


#366 Codus N

Codus N

    Highandnow

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,119 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Anywhere but here!!

Posted 28 May 2011 - 03:53 PM

Yeah, that's how I feel too. But remember, I'm simply telling you how a SSer would see it. (despite the holes which they wouldn't care)

248793.jpg


The family that couldn't be.

[post='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EItApJttbY']An Underrated Song Worth Listening[/post]


#367 Guest_Kim_*

Guest_Kim_*
  • Guests

Posted 28 May 2011 - 04:12 PM

I cannot believe how epic this chapter was! I couldn't read it before, but when I saw it today it made me happier than the previous chapter.

Anyway, I read the chapter first and then started reading your debate. I didn't think the first page would cause worry, let alone to give up all hpe hor NaruSaku. My first impression was this: 'oh, looks like the love letter guy hit a sore spot. He was going on how great she is, but she doesn't think so because of her low self-esteem. This is only fueled by the thought of her loving someone like Sasuke'. You guys already noticed how sad she is, thinking of Sasuke only causes her pain. But also look how she imagines Sasuke. We see only his profile, half of his face is hidden by his collar and the rest is really blurry. I guess she still has some feelings for him, but I think this shows in what 'state' her feeling are.

I'm really not concerned at all about our pairing, I was actually glad to get a glimpse of Sakura's feelings and to know she has yet to resolve everything. That will definitely be interesting.
The thing I'm wondering about is the love letter. I hope we'll see it again... Maybe it'll end up in Naruto's hands, that would be fun! biggrin.gif Also, I'm happy the guy survived, but too bad for him anyway. I kinda liked him.

#368 ciardha

ciardha

    Legendary Ninja

  • Legendary Ninja
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,308 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:US South
  • Interests:Narusaku, cosplay, writing fanfiction, dollfies, Japanese history. literature and culture, linguistics, ancient Celtic history, literature, and culture, Wicca, women's history, Buffy and Spike, Rogue and Gambit, Miaka and Taka, John Lennon and Yoko Ono, sewing, reading, many shoujo and josei manga series, Star Trek, Star Wars, liberal and feminist activism

Posted 28 May 2011 - 04:27 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ May 28 2011, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But that's precisely the problem. The problem is Kishi's statement on Sakura. If she had truly been honest, he should've drawn her with BOTH Naruto AND Sasuke as Nowhere pointed out, which makes more sense. And another thing is, if Kishi truly wanted to convey a positive image of Sakura, then why for the love of god, why is he doing this. It just doesn't make sense. In this chapter, Kishi made it look like he was lying about Sakura in that interview. If Kishi truly wanted to give an image potrayal of her moving on from Sasuke, he certainly could've done better than this and I know he can. But he didn't, it makes him look slightly lazy.


Ah, but here's the point most people seem to be missing- they are conflating what Sakura said in the last chapter when it just looked like the dude had a simple attraction to her, to her reaction this chapter when it becomes clear to Sakura that this guy is fanboying her over her appearance and talent, and knows absolutely nothing about her personality or background. Look how Sakura's expression changes in the last chapter from a polite neutral and a bit embarrassed when she replies that she is already in love with someone else, to the extremely depressed reaction when the dude makes the fanboy comment. She replies "gomen nasai" (I'm sorry) with her head down looking depressed. It's only then that she thinks about Sasuke. Kishimoto made a chapter break in that scene on purpose, he wants you to separate one reaction from the other. The fanboy comment dumps her into a very depressed mood where she is painfully reminded of how she did exactly the same thing when she crushed on Sasuke. Sakura is feeling really ashamed and depressed over how she stupidly crushed on Sasuke just based on his looks and talents, she knew absolutely nothing about what kind of person he really is, that she had been colossally wrong, that he was this dark person who revels in becoming moreso. It's actually an anti sasusaku image- she doesn't look in love she looks sick, ashamed and depressed.

Edited by ciardha, 28 May 2011 - 04:31 PM.

Dream you dream alone is only a dream, but dream we dream together is reality- Yoko Ono 1971

When you go to war, both sides lose totally- Yoko Ono

Remember, our hearts are one. Even when we are at war with each other, our hearts are always beating in unison- Yoko Ono 2009

#369 Chew

Chew

    ^ NaLu meine lub #ever1curr

  • Chakra Water Walker
  • PipPip
  • 438 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Garden Grove, California
  • Interests:omgawrsh y u do dis, Y U READING

Posted 28 May 2011 - 04:58 PM

QUOTE (ciardha @ May 28 2011, 09:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ah, but here's the point most people seem to be missing- they are conflating what Sakura said in the last chapter when it just looked like the dude had a simple attraction to her, to her reaction this chapter when it becomes clear to Sakura that this guy is fanboying her over her appearance and talent, and knows absolutely nothing about her personality or background. Look how Sakura's expression changes in the last chapter from a polite neutral and a bit embarrassed when she replies that she is already in love with someone else, to the extremely depressed reaction when the dude makes the fanboy comment. She replies "gomen nasai" (I'm sorry) with her head down looking depressed. It's only then that she thinks about Sasuke. Kishimoto made a chapter break in that scene on purpose, he wants you to separate one reaction from the other. The fanboy comment dumps her into a very depressed mood where she is painfully reminded of how she did exactly the same thing when she crushed on Sasuke. Sakura is feeling really ashamed and depressed over how she stupidly crushed on Sasuke just based on his looks and talents, she knew absolutely nothing about what kind of person he really is, that she had been colossally wrong, that he was this dark person who revels in becoming moreso. It's actually an anti sasusaku image- she doesn't look in love she looks sick, ashamed and depressed.


I really agree with you. There are many that may say "You love someone no matter their flaws", but in complete honesty, I think Sakura's realized how poisonous Sasuke has truly become, and this Iwa-nin showing her a mirror image of herself when she was younger struck her. The two contrasting images between Sasuke and Naruto also point something else out; as many others have said, Sakura is portrayed as weak when she thinks about Sasuke, but when Hinata thinks about Naruto, she becomes determined, strong, and gutsy. Don't we sort of remember this back in chapters 297-315 or so? Not as prevalent in these panels, but when Naruto went four-tails, her thinking about his well-being and safety gave her the courage of running toward that battle scene. She gets this determination from him. Even way back when in Part I, we see this in one scene, where she says something along the lines of, "When I see you fight...it makes me want to try harder. That's an incredible feeling." (Something along those lines at least tongue.gif) When it comes to Sasuke though, she almost becomes paralyzed, and weakened. The bottom line here, is that these contrasting panels show a very important point (and I will again use a quote, because that's how I roll) that I believe is significant to our favorite pairing: "If you cannot bring out the best in me, then you are not the best for me." fu.png



Okay, Chew is done. kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
OTP and my Bby




#370 ciardha

ciardha

    Legendary Ninja

  • Legendary Ninja
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,308 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:US South
  • Interests:Narusaku, cosplay, writing fanfiction, dollfies, Japanese history. literature and culture, linguistics, ancient Celtic history, literature, and culture, Wicca, women's history, Buffy and Spike, Rogue and Gambit, Miaka and Taka, John Lennon and Yoko Ono, sewing, reading, many shoujo and josei manga series, Star Trek, Star Wars, liberal and feminist activism

Posted 28 May 2011 - 05:25 PM

QUOTE (Chew @ May 28 2011, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not as prevalent in these panels, but when Naruto went four-tails, her thinking about his well-being and safety gave her the courage of running toward that battle scene. She gets this determination from him. Even way back when in Part I, we see this in one scene, where she says something along the lines of, "When I see you fight...it makes me want to try harder. That's an incredible feeling." (Something along those lines at least tongue.gif) When it comes to Sasuke though, she almost becomes paralyzed, and weakened. The bottom line here, is that these contrasting panels show a very important point (and I will again use a quote, because that's how I roll) that I believe is significant to our favorite pairing: "If you cannot bring out the best in me, then you are not the best for me." fu.png


You see this difference even waaay back in chapter 5 during the first bell test. When Sakura thinks Naruto is in danger she immediately acts to save him, not even a moment's hesitance of how as far as she knew that she was putting her own life in danger, when when she believes Sasuke is in danger she freezes, dithers, and even passes out. We see this again during the Land of Wave arc, when Zabuza first attacks, Sakura immediately throws herself on top of Naruto to protect him with not a second's thought of anyone else or self-preservation. When Sasuke is in danger she is frozen and helpless.
Dream you dream alone is only a dream, but dream we dream together is reality- Yoko Ono 1971

When you go to war, both sides lose totally- Yoko Ono

Remember, our hearts are one. Even when we are at war with each other, our hearts are always beating in unison- Yoko Ono 2009

#371 RedDelicious

RedDelicious

    Chuunin

  • Chuunin
  • PipPipPip
  • 558 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Chicago, USA

Posted 28 May 2011 - 05:38 PM

QUOTE (ciardha @ May 28 2011, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is not how Kishimoto wants you to see Sakura. He wants you to relate to her as a reader- more than any other character (even Naruto), he wants you to like her, to see her struggles to grow and become a strong person and ninja and relate it to your own life.

+1. Compare her to Naruto, Sasuke, Hinata, Kikashi... No crazy eye powers, no hidden sources of chakra, or great family history. Just a girl who has become very powerful by using her mind (booksmarts and cleverness), and learning how to fight for herself (compared to before the Forest of Death). She will never match Sasuke and Naruto in power, but she is still formidable despite her humble beginnings.

#372 Chew

Chew

    ^ NaLu meine lub #ever1curr

  • Chakra Water Walker
  • PipPip
  • 438 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Garden Grove, California
  • Interests:omgawrsh y u do dis, Y U READING

Posted 28 May 2011 - 05:47 PM

QUOTE (ciardha @ May 28 2011, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You see this difference even waaay back in chapter 5 during the first bell test. When Sakura thinks Naruto is in danger she immediately acts to save him, not even a moment's hesitance of how as far as she knew that she was putting her own life in danger, when when she believes Sasuke is in danger she freezes, dithers, and even passes out. We see this again during the Land of Wave arc, when Zabuza first attacks, Sakura immediately throws herself on top of Naruto to protect him with not a second's thought of anyone else or self-preservation. When Sasuke is in danger she is frozen and helpless.


Yes, I was just naming some later examples (okay so maybe one was kind of in the past...) but nonetheless, the contrast in this chapter was extremely prevalent. It's a sort of symbolism, contrasting light and darkness, hatred and love. This symbolism just shows how far love takes you, and how hindering hatred is. Even when Karin first sees Naruto, she notes that he is the complete opposite of Sasuke, saying that Sasuke's chakra is dark and cold, where as Naruto's is light and warm. I think the contrast of both characters really plays a big role for both the main story and for NaruSaku.

But anywho, I'm glad that we're both a part of the same ship ciardha! Your logic, analysis and professionalism never cease to amaze me (I was a long time lurker...teehee fu.png ) By the way, nice to meet you, I'm Chew! wow.png
OTP and my Bby




#373 crazyefra

crazyefra

    Academy Teacher

  • Academy Teacher
  • PipPipPip
  • 679 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:In the south pearl of Puerto Rico
  • Interests:Living, Having a lot of friends. <br />In terms of music, anything but Bachata (excluding Juan Luis Guerra), Reggaeton and Merengue. <br />In terms of anime and T.V. shows, Naruto, Bleach, Kekkaishi, Psych, Burn Notice, Mythbusters, Family Guy, Attack of the Show, White Collar, Heroes. <br />In terms of movies, anything but Twilight, &quot;girly&quot; movies, high school &quot;dramas&quot;, horror movies (excluding zombie flicks). <br />In terms of fanfics, I only read stories with NS as the pairing or Naruharem fics with Sakura being part of it and nothing where Sakura or Naruto gets bashed constantly and killed like if they were animals.

Posted 28 May 2011 - 05:56 PM

@ciardha
You don't know how much your posts makes my hope in NS being cannon grow with each time you analyze the manga and trample every other anti NS/pro SS/NH argument.
そして、あなたの声は私が聞いたすべてだった
しかし、私に値するものを手に入れる


Pairings:
Naruto: NaruSaku, (Fem)NaruSaku, NaruSasu (as brothers, rivals, best friends), ShikaTema, NaruInoSaku, NaruHarem (excluding Hinata), MinaKushi, ChouIno, YahiKona
Fairy Tail: NatsuLucy, NatsuErza :D
Bleach: IchiRukia

Characters:
Naruto: Naruto, Sakura, Shikamaru, Konan, Gaara, Kushina, Kakashi, Ino
Fairy Tail: Erza, Happy, Natsu, Grey, Lucy, Gajeel
Bleach: Ichigo, Nell, Kenpachi, Rukia, Karin, Kon

Misc.: Linkin Park, Green Day


In between Anti and Pro: --Click here to view--

Pairings:
Naruto: NaruSakuHina, SakuHina, NaruTayu, KibaHina, SakuKarin
Bleach: IchiHime

Characters:
Naruto: Hinata, Tayuya, Karin, Itachi
Bleach: Orihime, Chad

Misc.: Yuri :D



Pairings:
Naruto: SasuSaku, NaruHina, NaruSasu (as gay lovers), KakaSaku, SasuAnyone, ShikaIno

Characters:
Naruto: Sasuke, Madara, "fanon" Hinata (not to be confused with canon Hinata), Kabuto
Bleach: Aizen, Yamamoto

Misc.:Twilight, Yaoi, Fillers, Sakura bashing

#374 Super Boom

Super Boom

    WC?

  • Elite Teacher
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,294 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:MN

Posted 28 May 2011 - 06:59 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ May 28 2011, 10:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good lord, how am I going to get this through your thick skull?? facepalm.png

QUOTE (Living Lavish @ May 28 2011, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i was replying to what the SS fans said you in your post ya ass. lol


Yikes, things have really devolved here lately. Come on guys, if I wanted to read posts like this I'd go on NF on argue with some of the NaruHina fans there.


QUOTE (Kim @ May 28 2011, 11:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I cannot believe how epic this chapter was! I couldn't read it before, but when I saw it today it made me happier than the previous chapter.

Anyway, I read the chapter first and then started reading your debate. I didn't think the first page would cause worry, let alone to give up all hpe hor NaruSaku. My first impression was this: 'oh, looks like the love letter guy hit a sore spot. He was going on how great she is, but she doesn't think so because of her low self-esteem. This is only fueled by the thought of her loving someone like Sasuke'. You guys already noticed how sad she is, thinking of Sasuke only causes her pain. But also look how she imagines Sasuke. We see only his profile, half of his face is hidden by his collar and the rest is really blurry. I guess she still has some feelings for him, but I think this shows in what 'state' her feeling are.

I'm really not concerned at all about our pairing, I was actually glad to get a glimpse of Sakura's feelings and to know she has yet to resolve everything. That will definitely be interesting.
The thing I'm wondering about is the love letter. I hope we'll see it again... Maybe it'll end up in Naruto's hands, that would be fun! biggrin.gif Also, I'm happy the guy survived, but too bad for him anyway. I kinda liked him.


Thank you, I agree 100%. A lot of people, even here, are going crazy over this chapter. The fact of the matter is we've had way too much development to lose. Basically what we're watching now is Sakura's own inner conflict. Whether or not she currently loves Sasuke can be debated twelve ways from Sunday, but it's obvious that her feelings are moving in the right direction.

As for NaruHina, I don't know why people are even bringing that up. It's just Hinata being her usual self, it's not like she's flashing back to Naruto responding to her confession or anything. She sees him as a role model, just like usual. The fact that Sakura thinks of Sasuke in the same chapter as this seems completely irrelevant to me. The last few chapters have sort of been reflection chapters, and it's not as if the panels are identical or anything.

Also, another point I'd like to touch on is how some people are talking about the different ways Kishi could have drawn Sakura's thoughts. I agree that having Naruto there would be too obvious, as far as pairings go, but I think the same thing would go for if he had drawn both Naruto and Sasuke in the panel. The fact is, even after her confession, it hasn't been proven that she is 100% in love with Naruto. Sure, you can bring up the interview, but that still seems more like a hint than confirmation to me. If Naruto was in there, that would essentially prove that Sakura's feelings have evolved into love, and that Kishi is moving towards NaruSaku. And if it was confirmed that her feelings were moving towards Naruto, it seems hard to believe that momentum would break and she'd end up with Sasuke. Just having Sasuke in there doesn't prove anything we don't already know. Past or present, her love for Sasuke is hurting her, which is what we see in that panel.

tumblr_ndajpwG2zQ1qitrvro1_500.gif


#375 catsi563

catsi563

    catsitastrophe

  • Legendary Ninja
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,199 posts
  • Gender:Not Telling
  • Location:Sneaking behind the orange ninja
  • Interests:Naruto, Sakura, NaruSaku, pizza, dragons, tigers, wolves, cats, Slaying Ebil dragon windmill thingies, the moon, the ocean.

Posted 28 May 2011 - 07:05 PM

As always Ciardha and i are on the same page in her analysis. But especially this part

QUOTE
This is not how Kishimoto wants you to see Sakura. He wants you to relate to her as a reader- more than any other character (even Naruto), he wants you to like her, to see her struggles to grow and become a strong person and ninja and relate it to your own life. Sakura is meant to be the readers window into this world. (he's following Takahashi's pattern in shonen manga here- Akane plays that role in Ranma 1/2, and so does Kagome in Inuyasha)


This is the part of Sakura haters that astouds me. Sakura is clearly supposed to be the readers insert. the character most like them, the most normal. The one the readers can most identify with. Its her journey of growth that is most tellable in the story and for the most part we see her growth as well.

We can undersatnd her confusion and pain over a broken heart and we can empathize and root for her when she sees Naruto the ncie guy offering his.
My dear you deserve a great wizard, but im afraid you'll have to settle for services of a second rate pick pocket - Smendrick The Last Unicorn

..(^)> PENGUIN!!!!
C(...)D
..m.m

Training with a sannin 2 1/2 years

new pair of gloves 20 ryou

the look on your best friend, and former sensei's face's when you cause a small earth quake. Princeless

Catsis Fan Fiction

#376 Yoshimoya

Yoshimoya

    Chakra Tree Climber

  • Chakra Tree Climber
  • PipPip
  • 269 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:CA
  • Interests:animeee :D manga :D tennis :D life :D

Posted 28 May 2011 - 09:18 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ May 28 2011, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good lord, how am I going to get this through your thick skull?? facepalm.png

I SAID I do NOT support SS. But what I'm trying to convey is a different POV other than the Narusaku POV's here. I'm trying to open you guys up to the possibilities of SS and try to understand where SSers are coming from. I want you to see it from many POV's.

My POV is that this actually helps SS. As much as I hate to admit it, it's quite possibly true. (and a high possibility at that) I'm just trying to give you guys a different way of looking at it.

And yes, I agree that NS will be canon. But that's not to say SS won't either. It's still possible. It's all up to Kishi.

You need to learn how to see things from other POVs.

DO. YOU. UNDERSTAND??!!!


I feel you dude. 2 days ago when this chap first came out I took the SS POV for a quicksec then I got jumped on LOL. I love NS and some people don't think that anymore, but what the hell.... Shoot. You guys needa be less sensitive when someone takes a different stance to approach the Naruto logic once in a while, SS is a possibility so don't rule it out like you're the writer.

I get the fanboying-ninja who thought that ANYONE Sakura liked must be a great person thing now. However, I feel that Kishimoto really made that message unclear to us. His writing style can really be ambiguous at times don't you agree? Anyways, I hope your @ciardha analyzation of that page is correct. I'd feel better if Kishimoto confirmed that in an interview or something though! Otherwise, we don't truly know do we?

Edited by Yoshimoya, 28 May 2011 - 09:40 PM.


^Adam Couple. KPOP couple <3 google them! They're like an anime couple I swear to God. Watch their show. PM me for link :]

#377 Strangelove

Strangelove

    And guess what's inside it

  • S-Class Missing Nin
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,766 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:All the way over in Venezuela

Posted 28 May 2011 - 09:44 PM

QUOTE (ciardha @ May 28 2011, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You see this difference even waaay back in chapter 5 during the first bell test. When Sakura thinks Naruto is in danger she immediately acts to save him, not even a moment's hesitance of how as far as she knew that she was putting her own life in danger, when when she believes Sasuke is in danger she freezes, dithers, and even passes out. We see this again during the Land of Wave arc, when Zabuza first attacks, Sakura immediately throws herself on top of Naruto to protect him with not a second's thought of anyone else or self-preservation. When Sasuke is in danger she is frozen and helpless.



really? That was a looonggg time ago...i don't think i remember something like this, as a matter of fact...the complete opposite. When she sees Sasuke in danger she freaks, and she completely ignores Naruto. That is something i believe Kakashi reprimanded her for.

tumblr_mo8pka1E1T1qflb4co1_500.gif


#378 RedDelicious

RedDelicious

    Chuunin

  • Chuunin
  • PipPipPip
  • 558 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Chicago, USA

Posted 28 May 2011 - 09:53 PM

QUOTE (Yoshimoya @ May 28 2011, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I feel you dude. 2 days ago when this chap first came out I took the SS POV for a quicksec then I got jumped on LOL.

Nice try at acting the martyr. You were getting jumped on because you said there was no other viewpoint (for this one panel in one chapter) except for yours. Your first post was claiming other people were in denial, and everyone should just accept your "facts".

There is nothing wrong with trying to take the SS viewpoint. It is the "NaruSaku is dead" attitude that encourages people to point out all the times in this manga where "face value" turned out to be wrong.

QUOTE (Strangelove @ May 28 2011, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
really? That was a looonggg time ago...i don't think i remember something like this, as a matter of fact...the complete opposite. When she sees Sasuke in danger she freaks, and she completely ignores Naruto. That is something i believe Kakashi reprimanded her for.


I remember Kakashi reprimanding Sakura for not working with Naruto as part of the team.

At the same time, ciardha is right. Chapter 11, page 17, Zabuza's first attack has Sakura diving to protect Naruto. (I had completely forgotten this !)

Edited by RedDelicious, 28 May 2011 - 10:30 PM.


#379 Paptala

Paptala

    Examiner

  • Examiner
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,021 posts
  • Gender:Female

Posted 28 May 2011 - 10:07 PM

QUOTE (Strangelove @ May 28 2011, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
really? That was a looonggg time ago...i don't think i remember something like this, as a matter of fact...the complete opposite. When she sees Sasuke in danger she freaks, and she completely ignores Naruto. That is something i believe Kakashi reprimanded her for.

This is the moment that ciardha is referring to.

http://www.mangaread.../chapter-5.html

Though it is true that she ignored helping Naruto down from the tree in favor of helping Sasuke, but to fair, Naruto wasn't in any actual danger hanging upside down from the tree.

To me though, the scene acts more to display Sakura's compassion in general (trying to help a person when she believes they are in actual danger despite not liking that person), then a pairing moment.

The earliest solid (imo) pairing hint that I can remember is Sakura blushing, and thinking, "What is this feeling? This is Naruto!"

http://www.mangaread...chapter-13.html

I missed it the first time around I read it, and it was only after becoming a NaruSaku fan and retroactively reading through the manga again that I saw hints such as these sprinkled throughout the entirety of part one.

Also, I ran across this gem while going through my old stash of Naruto images :
shounen jump valentines spread? --Click here to view--
Would anybody be able to translate what's written next to Saukra?

Edited by Paptala, 28 May 2011 - 10:14 PM.

0mDsIUH.gif
7VO00.png
set art by yui  |

#380 Yoshimoya

Yoshimoya

    Chakra Tree Climber

  • Chakra Tree Climber
  • PipPip
  • 269 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:CA
  • Interests:animeee :D manga :D tennis :D life :D

Posted 28 May 2011 - 10:08 PM

QUOTE (RedDelicious @ May 28 2011, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nice try at acting the martyr. You were getting jumped on because you said there was no other viewpoint (for this one panel in one chapter) except for yours. Your first post was claiming other people were in denial, and everyone should just accept your "facts".

There is nothing wrong with trying to take the SS viewpoint. It is the "NaruSaku is dead" attitude that encourages people to point out all the times in this manga where "face value" turned out to be wrong.


You could've just left my post there and leave it at that, you could've just kept it in your head "Nice try at acting the martyr." Instead you go out of your way for this -.- I never generalized people to be "in-denial" I just said there are times when I feel people look into it too much! Not for everything!!!!

Listen here: Get off my kitten. You have no other things to do with your life then read every post I do and point out my faults? Sheesh, I already know I sounded "NaruSaku" dead for a while there, but I got right back up from that attitude, people can't have their doubts?!?!?! So quit pushing me back down. I'm seriously done with people like you who are gonna point out my every little fault in a damn post, Imma move on with it and post material on my favorite couple so don't bother responding to this. Message me if you gotta problem. Damn.

Btw you double posted.

Edited by Yoshimoya, 28 May 2011 - 10:10 PM.


^Adam Couple. KPOP couple <3 google them! They're like an anime couple I swear to God. Watch their show. PM me for link :]




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users