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[Psychox]

Many nh fans claim it was a romantic scence , no , it wasnt , but to convice them is harder than keeping a child from takeing a cockie form the cockie jar or something like that :) , mmmm they take everythin literally.. they use this from 633 as evidance or something like that .... no coment there..

 

Not to mantion every panel with hinata in it is nh canon same goes for ss..

[Inferno180]

I am curious of the Byakugan's origin. It's only only "gan" left we don't know too much about. I remember a NH fan posting a theory here a while back. But.. if that was true, then Kishi should've done something more with it.  Making Kakashi say there was a rumour that the Sharingan originated from the Byakugan isn't enough(I think that was what he said, if I remember correctly.)

@ Sushi the origin of the Byakugan was a fan debated ordeal since the chunin exams,

 

When the Byakugan was first shown off, there was commentary about how it was thought that it was the ancestor of the Sharigan or that the sharigan was derived from it. Because at the time, there was no clear concept of the time period Naruto took place in, it was suspected to be the case of the Byakugan being the older ancestors of the sharigan. However over time, when Kishi first admitted how Naruto took place in a time period similar to ours due to the constant technology shown in the series, just about 20 or so years less advanced then ours, it became clear that there was a lot of string of technology used and shown in the series.

 

When the sage of the six paths was introduced to the story though, and that the senju and uchiha were his sons descendents, it became clear the older Byakugan theroy was null and void. If anything the reverse was more likely now, the Byakugan was derived from the Sharigan if anything, however this all goes back to 2 basic things, 1. Kekkei genkei and the rules of genetiecs, and 2. The sage taught many people in his time ninjutsu.

 

1. For the kekkei-Genkei oredeal, we have seen this in the series a lot, bloodline techinques. However under bloodline techniques, these follow the real world laws of genetics, dominant and recessive genes. Take Tsunade for instance, because Hashirama a pure blooded senju married Mito, a pure blooded Uzumaki, it would cause a conflict of genetics between the senjus, earth and water natures and ability to make wood along with the 4X stamina trait of an uzumaki (only times 4 because Kakashi noted this was about how much greater Naruto's was than his). Because of this bloodline mix, Tsunades father/mother directly from Hashirama and Mito would have a combination, being at least half senju and half uzumaki. Now for Tsunade herself, it depends on who her grandfather's child married. If it was a pure blooded senju, then Tsunade would be predominantly senju but still possess a smaller degree of the stamina inherited by her uzumaki side. If it was an uzumaki, this would also be a reason why she has no access to either the earth or water styles. Lets look at Naruto, the Uzumaki clan specialized in stamina and sealing techniques. Naruto only has the stamina, his other parent Minato, who was normal, had no real traits to pass on in terms of battle but because Minato was normal, the uzumaki stamina trait had nothing to compete with so Naruto got the full stamina abilities unlike Tsunade due to the child of Hashirama and Mito being half senju half uzumaki had. In this case for the Byakugan, because the sage was centuries apart from the age of the villages, the Byuakgan could have eventually started somewhere in the centuries between the era of the sage and the villages as its own mutuation or deviant evolution of the sharigan. If this is the case, then the Byuakgan changed so much, its its own thing now like many real world genetics, changed so much it broke away from its own genetic heritage. So now the Byakugan became its own thing, no longer having access to any former ancestral powers like the amaterasu or simply copying other jutsu.

 

2. The other condition is the Byakugan merely began as its own thing separate from the sage. The sage taught many people including his own son ninjutsu, this is how all the other clans of ninja began, their techniques all started in this time and over the centuries developed in their own separate bloodlines away from the sage, never having been part of it. Because of this, if this is the case then the Byuakugan began as its own thing and eventually became the occular technique we see it in the time of the story.

 

No matter how its said though, its apparent that the Hyuga have no major importance to the story, if the bloodline connection was really important, it would have popped up but it did not. The uzumaki was proven to be a distant realative clan to the senju, the clan was important a lot even to the point that Madara himself put his rinnegan in nagato because as an Uzumaki, nagato could withstand it, also due to the fact that no senju may have been present to house it, so Nagato was the best thing for it. Kishi could have built the huyga to more importance like even letting them read the stone the uchiha kept but its been proven, with the eye of the moon plan not needing them and obito already a jinchurki, they are not important to the story. Even the ino-shika-cho clans have been shown to have more importance and they have radically different powers. Because kishi did not focus on the hyuga, they are not as important as some people think them to be.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Many nh fans claim it was a romantic scence , no , it wasnt , but to convice them is harder than keeping a child from takeing a cockie form the cockie jar or something like that :) , mmmm they take everythin literally.. they use this from 633 as evidance or something like that .... no coment there..

 

Not to mantion every panel with hinata in it is nh canon same goes for ss..

Welcome, new fan.

 

I understand how you feel about that. It's hard, but just let them be. Honestly, I don't see everything as a romance or shipping moment until it's made that way, much like 631. That chapter was clear as day and till this day, people managed to find a way to dodge. I can't believe that they are trying. But no matter, what's important is how Kishi wrote it and by this, 631 is easily NS moment.

[T XD]

How are some people trying to find a way to dodge 631 ? I mean Minato and Naruto said what they wanted to say in a simple and clear way... How the hell there's a way out in that ?!!!

 

Guess we haven't seen anything yet if by that they're talking like that

Edited by T XD, 12 July 2013 - 05:57 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

How are some people trying to find a way to dodge 631 ? I mean Minato and Naruto said what they wanted to say in a simple and clear way... How the hell there's a way out in that ?!!!

 

Guess we haven't seen anything yet if by that they're making such things

I don't know, but it's beyond desperate. If Sakura flat out say "I love Naruto," how can they dodge that one? Platonic love I bet. I don't know but I don't care. This volume is their final shot before everything will sink. Ticking clock.

[T XD]

I don't know, but it's beyond desperate. If Sakura flat out say "I love Naruto," how can they dodge that one? Platonic love I bet. I don't know but I don't care. This volume is their final shot before everything will sink. Ticking clock.

I'll say it from now. I bet that when NS becomes canon, they'll either say Kishi is a bad writer or Naruto got with Sakura cause of the cause/s that they're going to say.

 

I really am going to remember this to see if it happens... which something tells me that it will for sure.

Edited by T XD, 12 July 2013 - 06:03 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'll say it from now. I bet that when NS becomes canon, they'll either say Kishi is a bad writer or Naruto got with Sakura cause of the cause/s that they're going to say.

 

I really am going to remember this to see if it happens... which something tells me that it will for sure.

I'm with there. Sad because Japan seems to be convinced already and just hoping it all turns out to be well.

[T XD]

I'm with there. Sad because Japan seems to be convinced already and just hoping it all turns out to be well.

Somehow, I see Japan looking at the other fans that are outside their country like why they're doing this paring war, and that it's all clear at least in a way.

 

Lol. I'm imagining them when they read some of our war debate.

Edited by T XD, 12 July 2013 - 06:11 PM.

[rikakim94]

I don't know, but it's beyond desperate. If Sakura flat out say "I love Naruto," how can they dodge that one? Platonic love I bet. I don't know but I don't care. This volume is their final shot before everything will sink. Ticking clock.

 

Hey Ns4life can you link other naruto forum that your in and it has the ns fanclub in it?

 

I want to see any good discussion going on last time i checked they posted a picture of naruto and sakura which was released by shonen jump of the 45th anniversary. :) 

[rocci]

Anti will say that when NS happen, it is an asspull. Is it true?

Because I agree with darkrest that if not because of plot (& pairing drama) NS already canon after land of iron.
Kishi try so hard to make sure no NS interaction after that and separate them to the point he forget about her own heroine.
And don't forget naruto ambigu feeling after kage summit until 631. This make me think that kishi intent to bring naruto feeling when tnj obito.

[T XD]

Anti will say that when NS happen, it is an asspull. Is it true?

Because I agree with darkrest that if not because of plot (& pairing drama) NS already canon after land of iron.
Kishi try so hard to make sure no NS interaction after that and separate them to the point he forget about her own heroine.
And don't forget naruto ambigu feeling after kage summit until 631. This make me think that kishi intent to bring naruto feeling when tnj obito.

I think Naruto may mention about his feeling when he talks to Obito cause he is in need to hear from his other him. Probably, Naruto's feelings are going to reappear in this battle.

Edited by T XD, 12 July 2013 - 07:29 PM.

[Branden]

Anti will say that when NS happen, it is an asspull. Is it true?

Because I agree with darkrest that if not because of plot (& pairing drama) NS already canon after land of iron.
Kishi try so hard to make sure no NS interaction after that and separate them to the point he forget about her own heroine.
And don't forget naruto ambigu feeling after kage summit until 631. This make me think that kishi intent to bring naruto feeling when tnj obito.

I'd be very surprised if anyone said "NaruSaku is cannon!? What!? Since when? I never saw that coming in a milion years...."

 

With all the interactions and parallels and subtle non-manga hints by Kishi I don't think any pairing is more obvious than NaruSaku. So even if people don't like it, they are absolutely expecting it.

 

When NaruSaku becomes cannon the other fandoms won't be guessing at how it happened, they will be realizing that their theories and interpretations were wrong and we were right. If there's one thing both fandoms do, its over analyze the manga.

[T XD]

I'd be very surprised if anyone said "NaruSaku is cannon!? What!? Since when? I never saw that coming in a milion years...."

 

With all the interactions and parallels and subtle non-manga hints by Kishi I don't think any pairing is more obvious than NaruSaku. So even if people don't like it, they are absolutely expecting it.

 

When NaruSaku becomes cannon the other fandoms won't be guessing at how it happened, they will be realizing that their theories and interpretations were wrong and we were right. If there's one thing both fandoms do, its over analyze the manga.

Bolded, I won't be surprised if that will be said. Other than my bet, I think few will say something like that. I'm not trying to exaggerate.

Edited by T XD, 12 July 2013 - 07:35 PM.

[ALESSE]

Welcome, new fan.
 
I understand how you feel about that. It's hard, but just let them be. Honestly, I don't see everything as a romance or shipping moment until it's made that way, much like 631. That chapter was clear as day and till this day, people managed to find a way to dodge. I can't believe that they are trying. But no matter, what's important is how Kishi wrote it and by this, 631 is easily NS moment.

Agreed with you there bud. Things have so been out of wack with fandoms that, they just dismiss everything that's not in there favor. I mean come I recently ran into these people that claim that since Hinata was explaining to Sakura about the situation and how naruto was explaining to sasuke about the it, it's a foreshadow -__- of nh ss.

I can't even. I mean everything with naruto and Sakura is in there faces. Lolz but to each there own.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Hey Ns4life can you link other naruto forum that your in and it has the ns fanclub in it?

 

I want to see any good discussion going on last time i checked they posted a picture of naruto and sakura which was released by shonen jump of the 45th anniversary. :) 

http://www.narutofor...=915844&page=87

 

Agreed with you there bud. Things have so been out of wack with fandoms that, they just dismiss everything that's not in there favor. I mean come I recently ran into these people that claim that since Hinata was explaining to Sakura about the situation and how naruto was explaining to sasuke about the it, it's a foreshadow -__- of nh ss.

I can't even. I mean everything with naruto and Sakura is in there faces. Lolz but to each there own.

Desperation much? Oh well. Though I admit, I would have gave kudos if Sakura and Sasuke's dialogue actually connected, but they're different. I feel like Kishi did that on purpose.   

[Paptala]

Paptala made an interesting post a while back. But i dont think what hinata said in chp 633 is like what she said in chp 573. She said she wants to be by narutos side and keep working hard just like naruo even if its just one step. I dont think its gonna lead up to anything, because she got what she wanted in chp 615 and her story has come to a full circle. Dont forget that shes an insignificant side character, so i doubt kishi will go any further with her since her development has come to a full circle, if she does get a moment again, i see it something like the 450 hug scene.

 

Also, why do you guys keep saying that naruto squeezed hinatas hand? he didnt squeeze it, if he did there would have been an indication,the sound effects, he didnt squeeze it he just took her hand and moved it off his cheeck and held it to give her chakra, and there were those ripples over his hand to indicate he was movung her hand off his cheek

 

And as many have said, it wasnt romantic, no romantic atmosphere nothing, just chakra transfer, and hinata got what she wanted. But naruto also held the other rookies and ninjas hands as well, so no. Im actually quite impressed by how kishi made te hand hold scene look platonic with a purpose, cuz i was worried by her statement in chp 573 i was imagining romantic stuff and illogical stuff that wouldnt make sense, but kudos kishi.

I agree that Hinata is pretty insignificant in the long run, but her feelings still have gotten quite a lot of focus, so that's why I think that those feelings may not be done yet, even if I don't think they will ultimately be reciprocated.  I don't think that she'll get anything as significant as the 450 hug to resolve her feelings - if it was a moment to close the chances of a romantic relationship between them, I don't think there would be any physical displays of affection - but then that's just my opinion.

 

The hand squeezing wasn't in 615 - it was shown only in Hinata's flashback in 633:

He was long done with moving her hand off of his cheek at this point, though I suppose its possible that it was just Naruto preparing to transfer Kurama's chakra through that hand.  Hard to tell for sure in still motion.  Either way, it still doesn't indicate that he has romantic feelings for Hinata, especially after 631.

 

I completely agree that the moment wasn't romantic from Naruto's point of view.  No blushing, no special smile like the one's he's given to Sakura, and no romantic thoughts or words.  There wasn't even anything from the onlookers that would give it a romantic overtone (like with the 450 hug).  Just Naruto offering her platonic gratitude and support, on top of chakra transfer.

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In other words, its really great to hear that the Japanese fandom pretty much accepts NaruSaku as endgame at this point, mostly because (as I've said before) these are the fans that will understand Kishimoto's intent the clearest.  There aren't any cultural barriers or problems with translations that would mislead these fans. 

Edited by Paptala, 12 July 2013 - 08:07 PM.

[Psychox]

I really appriciate the warm welcome guys ^^ ;) :) thx a lot..

 

I was debating with a Nh fan on NB i guess??

 

Note: my username there is the same xD

 

Note 2 : I used some of your opinions to back up some stuff, just cuz im a bit lazy and this guy was an ''unbeliever''

 

Re: I ship! Thread for romantic pairings:

Originally Posted by Psychox

Mmm, how to say this....

We confirmed Naruto's feelings towards Sakura that cant be denyed or ignored just because its easyer.
Its easy to read as A B and yeah C . There is nothing to debate or discuss here.

Moving on...


Sasuke's feelings? What feelings? The only feelings he ever expressed were towards - his bro and clan oh and Naruto more or less(BF?)

Hinata expressed her feelings way back in the pain arc... but here is the catch , she never wanted an answer if Naruto loves back. Elaborate on it... She got her moment holding Naruto's hand , and that was it... Now if you still believe that she still holds romantical feelings for Naruto , than answer this - He openly stated infront of her Sakura is his GF. Her raction? .......
Nothing .. If i am not mistaking her wish was to hold his hand and stop chasing after him. Now nothing is canon untill its on black and white. But keep it in mind...

That is why i am leaving Hinata out of the game as i did earlyer - she may get her offical closer of feelings i dont see it coming , cuz kishi kind of ended it . >.<

And last but not least -Sakura's. Here is the thing , her feelings for Naruto have been questioned 3 times , and 3 times her answer or rather chance to speak for herself was stolen so to say.
Now lets start with 540 - we see her thinking of Sasuke not in positive way (or maybe yes ) who knows.. However in chapter 573 her thoughts are pictured pretty good stating ''No matter what you say we will be together , not just me we all are'' . She didnt say- well i am with you untill Sasuke comes.

See my point ?
Now her feelings towards Naruto are almost confirmed that can be debated till yeah forever ....
And i can sit her and write the whole night what ,why . The one thing i am going to say is this - She needs to get her chance in showing her full love for him.

So untill the time comes , we dont know 100%/101% but round 99% - the black and white thing i said earlyer.

I am not dismissing the fact that she still may have some feelings for Sasuke , but we dont know what they are..
635 can be interpreted in many ways. She is conflicted but why?

I am going to give 2 maybe 3 examples - it is your choosing to accept them or not.

1- It has been a staple since part 1. She loved Sasuke in the beginning and wanted to so bad to be by his side. She even was willing to lie to him and make him a fake promise to keep him in the village. Soon Naruto jumped on board and wanted to grant her wish of bringing him back. So, since part 1, it has been a rather direct focus on Sakura's character and whether or not she still holds feelings for him. We knew she had them back then, but today we are not sure whether she still feels the same. Given continuity, this is the more popular idea confliction and has been used in many of debates even to this day. Some even use it as a reason why SS is still alive. Also given that she thought about him in 540, albeit in negative light, she at least still thinks about him. This is also the perfect thing to add to the "Love triangle" pairing drama that has built up the entire manga so far.

2- This is actually something I thought about recently and I wonder if this will play a bigger role later on. She knows the fight is gonna occur. She knows Naruto is willing to die for Sasuke if need be, so perhaps she is thinking to herself: "Should I stay back and let them fight or should I interfere and protect Naruto preventing his possible death (and maybe even Sasuke's)?" I have no doubt she wants to go against Sasuke if Naruto's life is at risk, but she also said that she was willing to stay out of it. You have this man who you love and care about about to fight a man you used to love and care about who are both willing to fight to the end and die. Could she sit back and let it happen? Would it be better to watch them die or to try and save them? Perhaps she can create a difference. It would shows her actually showing a resolve and doing exactly what she said she was going to do in 573. It would make it interesting to see another three Sannin fight again with the newer, more powerful, generation at the helm. Sakura does have the power to change the outcome, but is she willing to risk her life and the life of all she cared about for it? What if she fails and she makes things worse? It would be a huge conflict some would face.


I know i know its a bit large , but if you want my point of view , its right here ...

Do not foget that the only relevations when it comes to love or feelings that are left are:
Sasuke<-Sakura->Naruto aka team 7 . ( In what light she sees them )

No, i do not see your point. Thats almost all just theoryzing and i dont think Hinata's feelings will be cast aside just yet, Naruto will probably confront her about that after the war, Naruto is not the type of guy that just forgets something as important as that. Its true that Sakuras feelings are confusing but wanting to accept it or not: They are there. And she cant really develop proper feeling for Naruto until that is eliminated. And she lied to Naruto in her confession, the motive however is unimportant for us now. For pairings to happen, someone has to let go of his crush/love for another character and im beting on Naruto.

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No, i do not see your point. Thats almost all just theoryzing and i dont think Hinata's feelings will be cast aside just yet, Naruto will probably confront her about that after the war, Naruto is not the type of guy that just forgets something as important as that. Its true that Sakuras feelings are confusing but wanting to accept it or not: They are there. And she cant really develop proper feeling for Naruto until that is eliminated. And she lied to Naruto in her confession, the motive however is unimportant for us now. For pairings to happen, someone has to let go of his crush/love for another character and im beting on Naruto.

She lied? Huh.. i could rant 2 page long here , but i am going to say just this:
If Sakura's '''fake confession'' was actually fake - why would he tell his dad that she is his girlriend.. Maybe he believes her , but they are not in an actual relationship that's why he said more or less , they did not have the time to talk ''bout it ya know war, sasuke? Her feelings she said it back then already , but was interupted by him , cuz the focus was on him forgeting about Sasuke. The lie was forget about him i dont care... She did not lie about her feelings.

Nvm , i see that you chose to ignore what ive said about everything ...... and ignore 631 like it was nothing ... Not gonna blame you , everybody does.. Naruto'''crush'' when did he say i drop my crush or i will? Cuz im pretty sure he never did.

Oh yeah btw - i said it already he Friendzoned Hinata , maybe they will talk , maybe not , cuz the main focus is team 7 she is not relevant.

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Originally Posted by Psychox

She lied? Huh.. i could rant 2 page long here , but i am going to say just this:
If Sakura's '''fake confession'' was actually fake - why would he tell his dad that she is his girlriend.. Maybe he believes her , but they are not in an actual relationship that's why he said more or less , they did not have the time to talk ''bout it ya know war, sasuke? Her feelings she said it back then already , but was interupted by him , cuz the focus was on him forgeting about Sasuke.

Nvm , i see that you chose to ignore what ive said about everything and ignore 631 like it was nothing ... Not gonna blame you , everybody does..

He hesitated, the part 1 Naruto would have never Hesitated, for me thats development. And if you say Sakura's Conffesion is "open for interpretation" No. No. That confession was as fake as...as Sakura's confession. " Naruto, i love you because Sasuke." ...serious? Look, it was confirmed that the point of the confession was to get Naruto to stop chasing Sasuke. Sai led her to believe that the promise Naruto made her was the reason why Naruto was going through so much trouble to bring Sasuke back, since he loved her. She figured by telling him she loved him instead of Sasuke, it would cancel out Naruto's reason for chasing him and also lift a burden off Naruto's shoulder. Her plan was to bring Naruto back to the village and deal with Sasuke herself.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Skywardsword

He hesitated, the part 1 Naruto would have never Hesitated, for me thats development. And if you say Sakura's Conffesion is "open for interpretation" No. No. That confession was as fake as...as Sakura's confession. " Naruto, i love you because Sasuke." ...serious?

1.) Their interaction against one another has changed.
The previous chapters
Naruto and Sakura's reactions were completely different compared to the previous chapters. When Konohamaru asked him, He blushed and said, "Wow you guys are perceptive!" (His face and posture was same with the Tazuna scene)
And Sakura has denied it, and punched him for making the wrong assumption. After that Naruto will just get hurt, a little disappointed and quiet (lol).

The current chapter
However this time, Naruto said it in a serious manner. His face didn't have the blush nor the hand behind the head when he's joking, or embarrassed. Sakura also didn't deny it like she used to. She head bumped him and he retorted back to her (in a cute way), WHICH he would have never done before! (Usually, he would get scared and shut up, especially if he's told to do so.)
His ''hesitation'' i s more like “Why would you ask this in such a situation” face he have right there. It’s suprise covering his face, not confusion .


The fake confession - Sakura has just found out that Sasuke, for no particular reason that she can comprehend, has joined a group of international criminals who are hell bent in destroying Konoha. This same group is after the nine containers of the bijuu, her other teammate, Naruto, whom she has just been told loves her completely and unconditionally (she knows just from looking back at his past actions concerning her, i.e. the Promise of a Lifetime), is the container of the nine-tailed demon fox.

Then Shikamaru walks in and tells her what he and the others have decided to do with Sasuke, the one she knows Naruto sees as more than a friend, but as a brother.

She takes it upon herself to tell Naruto that she and the others have decided to take out Sasuke, but how could she tell him? She knows better than anyone else how such a decision would destroy him.

So, to protect him from the truth and take away the burden of that promise, she decides to confess and get him to go back to the village. She knows that doing so might make Naruto hate her, but she doesn’t care. She just wants him safely away from the Akatsuki. If it works, the hunter Shinobi can take it from there concerning Sasuke.

I’ve heard some people point out that when Naruto thinks about it, we’re only given panels of Sakura’s love for Sasuke. It never occurs to them that Naruto never really did see Sakura’s selfless love for him.

They also argue the angry looks on everyone’s faces. That’s because Kiba and the others thought that they were there to tell Naruto what they had planned to do about Sasuke, but Sakura couldn’t bring herself to do it.

Out of all four confessions, this one is the only one to be:

1-taken as a joke
2-called a lie
3-take place somewhere other than Konoha
4 happens in the snow
5 this is the only confession where physical contact was made
6This is the only confession that was interrupted

When the confession failed to do what she needed it to, Sakura went to plan b. Kill Sasuke.

When Sai explains why Sakura couldn’t tell Naruto the truth, I think Naruto realizes something.

Actions speak louder than words.

The problem with Sakura’s confession was that she was too focused on convincing Naruto to give up on Sasuke instead of telling him why and how she fell in love with him. I’m willing to bet it was because, in all honesty, she doesn’t really know why or how. She just does.

>.<

 

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Psychox

1.) Their interaction against one another has changed.
The previous chapters
Naruto and Sakura's reactions were completely different compared to the previous chapters. When Konohamaru asked him, He blushed and said, "Wow you guys are perceptive!" (His face and posture was same with the Tazuna scene)
And Sakura has denied it, and punched him for making the wrong assumption. After that Naruto will just get hurt, a little disappointed and quiet (lol).

The current chapter
However this time, Naruto said it in a serious manner. His face didn't have the blush nor the hand behind the head when he's joking, or embarrassed. Sakura also didn't deny it like she used to. She head bumped him and he retorted back to her (in a cute way), WHICH he would have never done before! (Usually, he would get scared and shut up, especially if he's told to do so.)
His ''hesitation'' i s more like “Why would you ask this in such a situation” face he have right there. It’s suprise covering his face, not confusion .

Thats bull. She didnt deny it but what did she do? She punched him in the head,thats preety much denying it. And...it wasnt cute. For you maybe, but not for anyone else, and i stil think he hesitated, maybe its because we both see things differently.

Originally Posted by Psychox

The fake confession - Sakura has just found out that Sasuke, for no particular reason that she can comprehend, has joined a group of international criminals who are hell bent in destroying Konoha. This same group is after the nine containers of the bijuu, her other teammate, Naruto, whom she has just been told loves her completely and unconditionally (she knows just from looking back at his past actions concerning her, i.e. the Promise of a Lifetime), is the container of the nine-tailed demon fox.

Then Shikamaru walks in and tells her what he and the others have decided to do with Sasuke, the one she knows Naruto sees as more than a friend, but as a brother.

She takes it upon herself to tell Naruto that she and the others have decided to take out Sasuke, but how could she tell him? She knows better than anyone else how such a decision would destroy him.

So, to protect him from the truth and take away the burden of that promise, she decides to confess and get him to go back to the village. She knows that doing so might make Naruto hate her, but she doesn’t care. She just wants him safely away from the Akatsuki. If it works, the hunter Shinobi can take it from there concerning Sasuke.

I’ve heard some people point out that when Naruto thinks about it, we’re only given panels of Sakura’s love for Sasuke. It never occurs to them that Naruto never really did see Sakura’s selfless love for him.

They also argue the angry looks on everyone’s faces. That’s because Kiba and the others thought that they were there to tell Naruto what they had planned to do about Sasuke, but Sakura couldn’t bring herself to do it.

Out of all four confessions, this one is the only one to be:

1-taken as a joke
2-called a lie
3-take place somewhere other than Konoha
4 happens in the snow
5 this is the only confession where physical contact was made
6This is the only confession that was interrupted

When the confession failed to do what she needed it to, Sakura went to plan b. Kill Sasuke.

When Sai explains why Sakura couldn’t tell Naruto the truth, I think Naruto realizes something.

Actions speak louder than words.

The problem with Sakura’s confession was that she was too focused on convincing Naruto to give up on Sasuke instead of telling him why and how she fell in love with him. I’m willing to bet it was because, in all honesty, she doesn’t really know why or how. She just does.

>.<

Look, the reason it was taken as a joke was Naruto's reaction. if you say its "up for intepretation" its bullsh**. to prove my point I'll use the two other confessions from the series: Sakura's confession to Sasuke and Hinata's to Naruto. They are legit confessions which proves that Kishimoto CAN write a good love confession, something that is genuine. Sakura's confession to Naruto does not follow this, hew didnt make it seem legit when Sakura confessed to Naruto. Hes not stupid, he only knows how to write its own story. Look, it was confirmed that the point of the confession was to get Naruto to stop chasing Sasuke. Sai led her to believe that the promise Naruto made her was the reason why Naruto was going through so much trouble to bring Sasuke back, since he loved her. She figured by telling him she loved him instead of Sasuke, it would cancel out Naruto's reason for chasing him and also lift a burden off Naruto's shoulder. Her plan was to bring Naruto back to the village and deal with Sasuke herself. If you see another reason to it it is only theory until further proved.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Skywardsword

He hesitated, the part 1 Naruto would have never Hesitated, for me thats development. And if you say Sakura's Conffesion is "open for interpretation" No. No. That confession was as fake as...as Sakura's confession. " Naruto, i love you because Sasuke." ...serious? Look, it was confirmed that the point of the confession was to get Naruto to stop chasing Sasuke. Sai led her to believe that the promise Naruto made her was the reason why Naruto was going through so much trouble to bring Sasuke back, since he loved her. She figured by telling him she loved him instead of Sasuke, it would cancel out Naruto's reason for chasing him and also lift a burden off Naruto's shoulder. Her plan was to bring Naruto back to the village and deal with Sasuke herself.

Hm... and you are telling me that she confessed her feelings just like that ? That she has no feelings at all? And lie to him just cuz , yeah lets toy with his feelings or it was just pity. No my friend.

I will admit at some point i felt like that , but start asking myself .. why would she do that ? Like what the ...?
I did not know to believe it or not , but then i checked something important as culture - Japanese culture... to be precise..

And their is quite diffrent than ours or other's...

That is the main reason many people hate her .. the false confession .. the problem comes from that we lack knowledge of the Japanese culutre..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Skywardsword

Thats bull. She didnt deny it but what did she do? She punched him in the head,thats preety much denying it. And...it wasnt cute. For you maybe, but not for anyone else, and i stil think he hesitated, maybe its because we both see things differently.



Look, the reason it was taken as a joke was Naruto's reaction. if you say its "up for intepretation" its bullsh**. to prove my point I'll use the two other confessions from the series: Sakura's confession to Sasuke and Hinata's to Naruto. They are legit confessions which proves that Kishimoto CAN write a good love confession, something that is genuine. Sakura's confession to Naruto does not follow this, hew didnt make it seem legit when Sakura confessed to Naruto. Hes not stupid, he only knows how to write its own story. Look, it was confirmed that the point of the confession was to get Naruto to stop chasing Sasuke. Sai led her to believe that the promise Naruto made her was the reason why Naruto was going through so much trouble to bring Sasuke back, since he loved her. She figured by telling him she loved him instead of Sasuke, it would cancel out Naruto's reason for chasing him and also lift a burden off Naruto's shoulder. Her plan was to bring Naruto back to the village and deal with Sasuke herself. If you see another reason to it it is only theory until further proved.

A joke? When did Naruto joke about his feelings? Dont you remember that he said i dont like people who lie (joke about feelings ) to themselfs?

Now , why would he lie to himself , Sakura and his DAd? Last time i checked it hurt like ...
Let me remind you : http://narutobase.ne...ga/Naruto/470/6
http://narutobase.ne...a/Naruto/474/11


The joke of the chapter 631 was:
THE APPLE DOES NOT FALL FROM THE TREE.
See what i mean...

Now for the Sasuke/Hinata confessions:

Sakura never planned to tell Sasuke how she felt. She first tried to remind him of all the fun they had as team 7. Sasuke doesn’t even remember hurting her on the day they first became Genin. She dismisses that as it was a long time ago. To me, that speaks volumes about the difference in feelings.

So, she tries a different tactic. She tells him how revenge won’t make anyone happy. It almost builds on what Kakashi said earlier, and confirms to Sasuke that he is on a different path from them, the path of hate and revenge.

Another tactic, she tells him how lonely she’ll be without him, even with all her friends and family. This is the only time he tries to comfort her.
Finally, she comes out and tells him how she feels. She tells him how she is willing to leave the village for him. His response…

“You… make me sick.” ( You are annoying).

Then Sakura takes it all back. She’s not actually willing to leave with him, and threatens to scream for help if he takes one more step. He vanishes and reappears behind her. Thanks her for the confession and for “filling his lonely existence” and knocks her unconscious.

Hinata's - Naruto has been pinned down by Pain, and he’s about to be taken away to have the Kyuubi removed when a young woman with dark blue hair jumps into the fray between Pain and Naruto.

Hinata tells Naruto how she is willing to die to protect him. Naruto was driven further into his pain and hatred, exploding in rage and the already weak seal finally began to come undone.

It wasn’t until Minato interfered that things finally began to turn around.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then the guy left ...... lol i mean what the... ^^..

 

I used stuff from tumbler too..

Edited by Psychox, 12 July 2013 - 08:07 PM.

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How are some people trying to find a way to dodge 631 ? I mean Minato and Naruto said what they wanted to say in a simple and clear way... How the hell there's a way out in that ?!!!

 

Guess we haven't seen anything yet if by that they're talking like that

People hear/see what they want to. We wont be able to change it, only Kishi can.

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People hear/see what they want to. We wont be able to change it, only Kishi can.

Even with Kishi, they'll still hear/see what they want to. I already betted on that when NS is canon and how some will say.

[Inferno180]

Even with Kishi, they'll still hear/see what they want to. I already betted on that when NS is canon and how some will say.

 

In Avatar, Aang-Katara was the canon couple yet many still argue to this day why Zuko and Katara should have been canon. Some include how it should have happened because it was the orginal pairing or conception end one, but this is again why I say the NH crowd should learn from history, don't count all your chickens, what was once orginally intended could have changed. If the interaction for Naruto and Hinata was orginally intended to go towards romance, well if he has not built it up further because of the development he gave NS and eventually Kushina, then its no surprise why things changed. We can say NS and NH began on even ground at the start of part 2, but after events kept coming, ones that had Naruto and Sakura growing closer, then eventually we can say he just decided to roll with it. NH may have been originally intended but he could have changed this later on. This is why the conception argument as proof never works, just look at avatar, that happened, why I think the NH crowd should take this into consideration. Those who do not learn from history will repeat the same mistakes, otherwise they will act like 631 again in the future, wondering how these things came about when there was plenty of foreshadowing. Seriously, if Sasukes future action is bad, makes people hate him, causes harm to a lot and Sakura breaks away from him, if people ask why, I'm seriously going to drink in disappointment at other people because how obvious do these things need to be? We have a clear notification, red flag for something bad from him coming up and sakura not trusting him.