
The Great NaruSaku Debate Thread!
#3721
Posted 09 February 2010 - 02:46 PM
#3722
Posted 09 February 2010 - 04:16 PM


#3723
Posted 09 February 2010 - 05:35 PM
Huh?
I don't know, but keeping in mind we are talking about the sort of people thinks Sasuke is good at heart, he is deeply in love with Sakura, he would never hurt her -and he never attempted doing that back in Orochimaru's Lair-, he left without her because he wanted protecting her and plans turning to her after fulfilling his revenge, he always cheered her up and valued her skills highly... and keeping in mind they always portrays him like a warm, kind, cheerful, passionate, loving and protective boyfriend when they draw SS fanarts...
Well, keeping all of that in mind I can't tell I can take seriously his claims of understanding Sasuke.
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#3724
Posted 09 February 2010 - 05:57 PM
I don't know, but keeping in mind we are talking about the sort of people thinks Sasuke is good at heart, he is deeply in love with Sakura, he would never hurt her -and he never attempted doing that back in Orochimaru's Lair-, he left without her because he wanted protecting her and plans turning to her after fulfilling his revenge, he always cheered her up and valued her skills highly... and keeping in mind they always portrays him like a warm, kind, cheerful, passionate, loving and protective boyfriend when they draw SS fanarts...
Well, keeping all of that in mind I can't tell I can take seriously his claims of understanding Sasuke.
NO, of course we are completely wrong about Sasuke. Surely, after seeing Sakura once again, he will find redemption because we forgot that, deep, VERY deap down inside, he love Sakura. Kishi didn't say that he would make Sasuke more and more evil. Seriously, those SS fan give him the same quality as Naruto.

#3725
Posted 09 February 2010 - 06:21 PM
You have accurately brought up one of my main reasons for not taking SasuSaku seriously: that pairing fans often turn Sasuke into Naruto in order to make the pairing working.
That fact speaks for itself.
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#3726
Guest_SS3 Goku_*
Posted 09 February 2010 - 06:33 PM
#3727
Posted 09 February 2010 - 06:50 PM
That fact speaks for itself.
Yes, and let not forget that they still have 100% faith that Sakura still love him. Even if that is the case, her feeling could have change since the last encounter (and it will change as soon as she see him).
Lets see the SS possiblity:
Sasuke is still a bad guy and Sakura will go with him. In that case, Sakura is OCC with what we have seen so far from her or she's the a REALLY GOOD actrice if she have be able to fool us all.
Or Sasuke find redemption and return Sakura's affection. With that we have a very OOC Sasuke and Kishi turn out a Shoujo writer.
Can you see what wrong in that picture ?
Yes, that too

Edited by silverserenity, 09 February 2010 - 06:53 PM.
#3728
Posted 10 February 2010 - 05:35 PM
Exactly. Hinata's character is shy and they try to make her seem like she got the guts to face Naruto again and discuss her "confession" uh, that ain't gonna happen; Hinata barely knows Naruto, she stalks him for god sakes, I don't dislike Hinata, I just think that NaruHina fans make her seem a little too confident when it comes to Naruto, Sakura's the one that'd be able to face him for something like that. Sorry if this didn't make sense i'm typing this on my iPod


#3729
Guest_SS3 Goku_*
Posted 10 February 2010 - 05:46 PM
Lets see the SS possiblity:
Sasuke is still a bad guy and Sakura will go with him. In that case, Sakura is OCC with what we have seen so far from her or she's the a REALLY GOOD actrice if she have be able to fool us all.
Or Sasuke find redemption and return Sakura's affection. With that we have a very OOC Sasuke and Kishi turn out a Shoujo writer.
Can you see what wrong in that picture ?
Yes, that too

i know sakura did not lie to naruto than go to stay with sasuke thats occ and agenst everything shes for.
#3730
Posted 10 February 2010 - 06:08 PM
Yeah! That was the sacastic side of me


Edited by silverserenity, 10 February 2010 - 06:09 PM.
#3731
Guest_SS3 Goku_*
Posted 10 February 2010 - 06:24 PM


there going crazy at this chapter lol they ignore all development as well as crazy sasuke
#3732
Posted 10 February 2010 - 06:27 PM
Edited by Strangelove, 10 February 2010 - 06:31 PM.
#3733
Posted 11 February 2010 - 08:19 AM
Chapter 469 of Naruto has Sakura spending nine pages (which is half of the chapter) telling Naruto that she's given up on Sasuke (who she's had a crush on since before the manga began) and now wants to be with Naruto (who's had a crush on her for almost as long). Cue cheering by Naruto/Sakura fans and disappointment for fans of other ships involving either character, right? Not so fast. The final panel has Naruto rejecting her.
It's even worse because in her confession Sakura says virtualy every argument used by NaruSaku shippers about why Naruto and Sakura belong to each other. Take That anyone?
It's also quite obvious she's lying/insincere, and everyone can tell judging by their reactions.
That's probably the reason for the whole rejection thing
and another
Subsequent chapters have shown that Hinata has good chances of survival, so most assuredly the ball is now on Naruto's court.
To be honest, rather than being a Ship Sinking, Hinata's survival would as good as confirm them as the Official Couple.
...thereby sinking any ship with Naruto or Hinata with another person, most notably Naruto and Sakura.
Naruto is no way obligated to return the feelings. Then again, we may end with no pairing."
How does it end...Please..end it all..


#3734
Posted 11 February 2010 - 11:57 AM
The last dozen of chapters have showed Sakura is planning murdering Sasuke in order to protect Naruto, she had already planned how kililng him, and she was planning doing it alone in order to protect her friends.
Therefore, I think she is trying getting closer to Sasuke, earn his trust so he lower his guard, and then striking him swiftly and suddenly. Since she knows her enemy overpowers her, she is avoiding a direct confrontation and scheming her target's demise through other means, using her skill, cunning and stealth.
In other words, she is behaving like an actual kunoichi.
And her actions echo Tsunade's when she tried killing Orochimaru.
Sasuke knows nothing about the current her. For all he knows, she is still a weak, little girl who is helplessly infatuated with him. Hence, she must think he will be unsuspectful if she does that, and he will never regard her like a threat nonetheless. He can be overconfident, and that excessive confidence can give her one chance.
Of course, my reasoning depends on me being right about her intentions. But truthfully, the last chapters make no sense if she is being serious.
I hope Kishimoto doesn't drags it out, not matter what. But it is possible Naruto interrupts their reunion and she needs deciding if she blows her cover by siding with him or not.
In spite of some fans freaking out and panicking, I think it may pans out real well. My ideal scenario? She IS trying deceiving Sasuke and killing him, gets caught quickly, Sasuke and she fight (and maybe she finds out about what really happened back that day on the bench or about the Uchiha Massacre), she battles bravely but gets wounded, and right then Naruto shows up. Sasuke and Madara retreat momentarily, and Naruto at last admits it is possible he must kill his former friend.
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#3735
Posted 11 February 2010 - 01:01 PM
Therefore, I think she is trying getting closer to Sasuke, earn his trust so he lower his guard, and then striking him swiftly and suddenly. Since she knows her enemy overpowers her, she is avoiding a direct confrontation and scheming her target's demise through other means, using her skill, cunning and stealth.
In other words, she is behaving like an actual kunoichi.
And her actions echo Tsunade's when she tried killing Orochimaru.
Sasuke knows nothing about the current her. For all he knows, she is still a weak, little girl who is helplessly infatuated with him. Hence, she must think he will be unsuspectful if she does that, and he will never regard her like a threat nonetheless. He can be overconfident, and that excessive confidence can give her one chance.
Of course, my reasoning depends on me being right about her intentions. But truthfully, the last chapters make no sense if she is being serious.
I hope Kishimoto doesn't drags it out, not matter what. But it is possible Naruto interrupts their reunion and she needs deciding if she blows her cover by siding with him or not.
In spite of some fans freaking out and panicking, I think it may pans out real well. My ideal scenario? She IS trying deceiving Sasuke and killing him, gets caught quickly, Sasuke and she fight (and maybe she finds out about what really happened back that day on the bench or about the Uchiha Massacre), she battles bravely but gets wounded, and right then Naruto shows up. Sasuke and Madara retreat momentarily, and Naruto at last admits it is possible he must kill his former friend.
I disagree with the conventional NaruSaku wisdom on what she's doing. I don't think this is a double agent type deal. I wouldn't be surprised if that happened, but I don't believe it's her motivation.
After some thinking, I believe she doing this because she genuinely believes she can save/protect both Sasuke and Naruto. Up until the Rookie Nine's decision to off Sasuke, she had been as dedicated as Naruto to saving and returning their teammate in one piece. The Rookie's decision makes that significantly harder because not only does it mean that she cannot count on their aid anymore (they had been providing token support in Part 2), but that a significant chuck of the relevant ninja's are actively against what she and Naruto want to do. Thus, she's deprived of support and her teammate's safety is jeopardy from her own friends.
So, she comes up with a plan and says all that stuff to Naruto. If it works (which it didn't) Naruto backs off, stays in the village, and doesn't have to duke it out with the Akatsuki version of Sasuke and, is at least phyiscally safe. Meanwhile, she leaves the village and tries to save her wayward teammate either by convincing him of the error of her ways and getting him to come back or, at the very least, stearing him clear of the village and the other rookies who are looking to execute his sorry behind (or a combination of both).
I think her previous statements about wanting to kill Sasuke were lies because if the others knew her true intent they'd try to stop her AND wouldn't help find Sasuke's location.
Now, if I'm right, this plan has already partially failed and would completely fail even without the unknown information (to her) of Sasuke's decent because nobody's going to do what she wants to them to do. Sasuke's change, however, likely guarentee's this plan's going to go down in flames.
Alot of people said she had grown up in previous chapters, but I think she's still as committed as Naruto to saving and protecting her teammate. The only difference I see is that I'm not sure Naruto would be willing to accept a no to reforming AND returning Sasuke, it looks like Sakura may be willing to do so if it means protecting those close to her.
That said, that if she is going to grow up it's going to be during this confrontation because it'll force her to face reality directly. Now what she'll learn from that and decide to do from there...I don't know nor am I sure about pairing implications. This could be very good and very bad for both NaruSaku and SasuSaku, or it could be typical non-committal Kishi and be very murky. The latter especially possible since it looks like Naruto may interrupt the meeting.
But, I think in the end, neither Naruto or Sakura will ever give up on the hope of rescuing Sasuke, even if everyone else does.
#3736
Posted 11 February 2010 - 01:38 PM
After some thinking, I believe she doing this because she genuinely believes she can save/protect both Sasuke and Naruto. Up until the Rookie Nine's decision to off Sasuke, she had been as dedicated as Naruto to saving and returning their teammate in one piece. The Rookie's decision makes that significantly harder because not only does it mean that she cannot count on their aid anymore (they had been providing token support in Part 2), but that a significant chuck of the relevant ninja's are actively against what she and Naruto want to do. Thus, she's deprived of support and her teammate's safety is jeopardy from her own friends.
So, she comes up with a plan and says all that stuff to Naruto. If it works (which it didn't) Naruto backs off, stays in the village, and doesn't have to duke it out with the Akatsuki version of Sasuke and, is at least phyiscally safe. Meanwhile, she leaves the village and tries to save her wayward teammate either by convincing him of the error of her ways and getting him to come back or, at the very least, stearing him clear of the village and the other rookies who are looking to execute his sorry behind (or a combination of both).
I think her previous statements about wanting to kill Sasuke were lies because if the others knew her true intent they'd try to stop her AND wouldn't help find Sasuke's location.
Now, if I'm right, this plan has already partially failed and would completely fail even without the unknown information (to her) of Sasuke's decent because nobody's going to do what she wants to them to do. Sasuke's change, however, likely guarentee's this plan's going to go down in flames.
Alot of people said she had grown up in previous chapters, but I think she's still as committed as Naruto to saving and protecting her teammate. The only difference I see is that I'm not sure Naruto would be willing to accept a no to reforming AND returning Sasuke, it looks like Sakura may be willing to do so if it means protecting those close to her.
That said, that if she is going to grow up it's going to be during this confrontation because it'll force her to face reality directly. Now what she'll learn from that and decide to do from there...I don't know nor am I sure about pairing implications. This could be very good and very bad for both NaruSaku and SasuSaku, or it could be typical non-committal Kishi and be very murky. The latter especially possible since it looks like Naruto may interrupt the meeting.
But, I think in the end, neither Naruto or Sakura will ever give up on the hope of rescuing Sasuke, even if everyone else does.
I agree that is another possible interpretation, although I am not sure if it fits with all facts. I guess the next chapters will tell who is right and who is wrong.
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#3737
Posted 11 February 2010 - 11:41 PM
are the data bok usualy bullsh** or are they acurate ?
#3738
Guest_SS3 Goku_*
Posted 11 February 2010 - 11:51 PM
jest watch early episodes of bnaruto to find out sasuke onley ever complimented her once he always conciderd her anoying
#3739
Posted 11 February 2010 - 11:55 PM
are the data bok usualy bullsh** or are they acurate ?
You must be talking about the first data book its accurate but that was during part 1 the most recent data book is what counts. I heard a rumor that Kishi might release the 4th data book in April I can't wait to see the bonds chart if Sakura has a suki arrow towards Naruto.
#3740
Posted 11 February 2010 - 11:58 PM
what IF it has it towards sasuke

Edited by firegirl, 11 February 2010 - 11:59 PM.
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