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#3721 Transformers03

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 07:01 PM

QUOTE (Paptala @ Aug 26 2012, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree that its completely ridiculous to think that Naruto is the one who is going to give up on his feelings. The utter disregard and dismissal of Naruto's feelings for Sakura are one of the things that make me the most frustrated with some NH/SS shippers.

Naruto is the main character, his feelings have been portrayed just as seriously as the girls' feelings, and he's had those feelings just as long as the girls.

Plus, Naruto is the person who canonically has the power to change people's hearts - so why do people think its more likely that Hinata is going to change his heart and that Sakura is going to change Sasuke's heart? They have no basis to think this, especially given the fact that Naruto and Sasuke have never shown anything beyond friendship for the girls ever.


Or if you prefer Bruce Lee:

Honest, true love can only be realized when it is mutual and given without reservation. Naruto and Sakura already love each other. Romance will be the icing on the cake.

These quotes are so unbelievably apt - they just outline so much about what I love about Naruto and Sakura's relationship, especially the first one. It's based off strong friendship. There is understanding between them, even if its not always explicit.

There is forgiveness from both sides for mistakes and arguments - like Sakura never blaming Naruto for hurting her in KN4 mode, or them getting past their argument at the summit, for example.

And this ties in to the fact that neither character is perfect, and their relationship isn't either. They accept each other, flaws and weaknesses and imperfections and all. Because they've been through so much together, and known each other for so long, that they do know these less than admirable qualities about one another. They've seen each other at low moments. But none of that has changed how much they care abut the other, and how the other's happiness and safety is a priority.

Interesting observation. This reminds me of the arguments that NH's last interaction means Naruto's feelings are changing because there was more focus on the NH save than the NS save rolleyes.gif

Naruto didn't show anything romantic there for Hinata at all - the thank you was the long-awaited response to Hinata's actions during the Pein fight, closing up that part of Hinata's character development. Because ultimately, that's all I think Hinata's feelings for Naruto are really about - her own character development.

Naruto's complete lack of non-platonic/romantic interest in Hinata, her lack of involvement in his life and in the story overall, and her focus on her own feelings rather than Naruto's, all seem to point to the fact that this is about Hinata, not NH. Given this is the arc where so many character's are getting loose threads tied up, I really do think this arc is where her feelings are going to be completely resolved.


I agree with everything you said, especially the highlighted part.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 07:22 PM

I agree with paptala about the hinata development a_thumbs.gif and iam just interested in knowing what NH fans think about her not being included in naruto's important people even AFTER what happened with pain rolleyes.gif I have a feeling ther answer would be something about naruto considering sakura family( sister) facepalm.png yeah a sister he dreams about kissing and fantasizes about her 111189.gif hows that for a brother sister relationship th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif ...naruto was touched by her confession i agree with wow.png ...but not to the point of loving her or considering her an important person when he talked to her once every 140 chapters and more wot.gif

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 08:02 PM

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Aug 26 2012, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree with everything you said, especially the highlighted part.


he's talking about sakura or hinata because sakura is most likely to resolver her feelings.
because naruto will be at the top of the world after this arc.
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Posted 26 August 2012 - 08:33 PM

QUOTE (dovahkiin @ Aug 26 2012, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
he's talking about sakura or hinata because sakura is most likely to resolver her feelings.
because naruto will be at the top of the world after this arc.

he's talking about hinata since naruto thanked her for what happened with pain and all sleep.gif ....right? tongue.gif

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 10:33 PM

QUOTE (Paptala @ Aug 26 2012, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Plus, Naruto is the person who canonically has the power to change people's hearts - so why do people think its more likely that Hinata is going to change his heart and that Sakura is going to change Sasuke's heart? They have no basis to think this, especially given the fact that Naruto and Sasuke have never shown anything beyond friendship for the girls ever.

Exactly. The idea that Naruto's feelings for Sakura would change or shift to Hinata is ridiculous. Not only is there no precedent for Naruto behaving that way in the story, it's absolutely counterintuitive to Naruto's very nature to give up or settle. It's going to be Sakura or nothing, and considering he's the hero/protagonist of the story, it's not very realistic to think it will be nothing.

And it discredits Sakura greatly to suggest that Naruto is capable of positively influencing the hearts and minds of so many others (including heinous villains), but that she will never have the heart or wit to take the final step and unify all her different feelings (friendship, respect, care, love, attraction) for him? She will.

QUOTE (Paptala @ Aug 26 2012, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
These quotes are so unbelievably apt - they just outline so much about what I love about Naruto and Sakura's relationship, especially the first one. It's based off strong friendship. There is understanding between them, even if its not always explicit.

Thanks. I thought so. There was so much talk on this thread about whose feelings counted most -- the girl's or the guy's. But the reality is it has to be both simultaneously or it isn't real love.

If we look at the three currently one-sided "loves" and compare them, only Naruto's love for Sakura is made of the right stuff to qualify for half of a relationship. He knows her. He's lived with her on the road. The shine is off, so to speak, and yet he still loves her madly and deeply, and cherishes her happiness at his own expense. He hasn't made a spectacle of himself, hasn't tried to influence Sakura's heart in his favor, and hasn't tried to impress her with his devotion. Most importantly, he's had the maturity not to reduce the meaning of his life to what he feels for her. He's simply standing at the crossroads of Friendship and Love, waiting for her to get there.

Sakura's feelings for Sasuke (what's left of them) and Hinata's for Naruto simply aren't on the same level. That's not to devalue what the girls feel, or suggest there's nothing true or good about their desires, but their "love" is neither selfless nor rooted in the reality of mutual acceptance on any significant level.




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Posted 26 August 2012 - 11:47 PM

Is it just me or do we have less active members than we did before? I haven't seen quite a few names for quite some time now. Feneris, rocket... And several others, but I can't think of their names right now.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 11:57 PM

QUOTE (Dalton (I stink at names) @ Aug 26 2012, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is it just me or do we have less active members than we did before? I haven't seen quite a few names for quite some time now. Feneris, rocket... And several others, but I can't think of their names right now.

Don't know. Perhaps spending the last weeks of Summer break. It is coming. Who knows. Perhaps we are entering a quiet mode until manga/anime shows another NaruSaku. We were very active during the movie release. Good times...

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 11:59 PM

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Don't know. Perhaps spending the last weeks of Summer break. It is coming. Who knows. Perhaps we are entering a quiet mode until manga/anime shows another NaruSaku. We were very active during the movie release. Good times...

Either that or I'm just missing out since I'm not here all the time. Oh well.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 12:01 AM

QUOTE (Dalton (I stink at names) @ Aug 26 2012, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Either that or I'm just missing out since I'm not here all the time. Oh well.

That too. Like I said, it was highly active. Now after 4 weeks, it's slowing down again. At least we still active. I know I am.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 04:55 AM

I'm almost certain NS won't be canon until Sasuke is saved.

That said I still think there will be some develoupment between the 2 before that. The way I see it Sakura will learn the full truth of what's going on and then Naruto, Kakashi and Sakura,maybe Sai too, will go on an expedition to save Sasuke where it will ultimately come down to Naruto vs Sasuke and then Sasuke becoming a good guy and then end series.


That's the problem though, I can't find a way to fit NS into that without breaking the immersion. Help me out guys?

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 05:14 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Aug 27 2012, 12:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm almost certain NS won't be canon until Sasuke is saved.

That said I still think there will be some develoupment between the 2 before that. The way I see it Sakura will learn the full truth of what's going on and then Naruto, Kakashi and Sakura,maybe Sai too, will go on an expedition to save Sasuke where it will ultimately come down to Naruto vs Sasuke and then Sasuke becoming a good guy and then end series.


That's the problem though, I can't find a way to fit NS into that without breaking the immersion. Help me out guys?

Here's the thing. Manga always ends with a romance. Or more like the last part to cover is romance. Look at FMA. I'm pretty sure there are other manga/anime that does this way. For whatever reason, I cannot think of more. It always find a way to squeeze in. Don't count Kishi out. He really put the bond as the main theme. We are covering plenty of types of bond. What we missing is romance. Sakura is the one.

I would explain more, but now, I am a little busy. If anything, I will get back to you.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 03:43 PM

*sigh* nh fans and their way of thinking.... sorry i haven't been on, been playing online games with friends and had the same friends over at my house all day friday.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 03:45 PM

QUOTE (ultranx @ Aug 27 2012, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
*sigh* nh fans and their way of thinking.... sorry i haven't been on, been playing online games with friends and had the same friends over at my house all day friday.

That's fine.

So, what troubling you from NH fans? I got to say the funniest comment I saw last week was the one for PSP. "Hinata didn't hug Naruto at Konoha because she was hurt by Pain, so she watch him afar. That is why NH is true love."

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 04:55 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Aug 27 2012, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's fine.

So, what troubling you from NH fans? I got to say the funniest comment I saw last week was the one for PSP. "Hinata didn't hug Naruto at Konoha because she was hurt by Pain, so she watch him afar. That is why NH is true love."

yeah offcurse thats why rolleyes.gif it doesnt matter which reason,what matters is which girl kishi chose to hug naruto happy.gif and just to note i was kind of surprized when NH where bashing sakura about how she screamed for naruto and how she punshed him when he came back( the way her bangs were covering her eyes made me think how much pissed off she was at him for making her worry so much wub.gif ) when they were supposed to thank her...if it wasnt for sakura hinata would have been dead,she healed hinata and that doesnt make any difference to them :cry:and wait a second...... headscratch.gif she seamed fine ,there werent even bandages covering her nothing at all ,sakura did a great job as usual a_thumbs.gif

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 05:35 PM

QUOTE (candycane-chan @ Aug 27 2012, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yeah offcurse thats why rolleyes.gif it doesnt matter which reason,what matters is which girl kishi chose to hug naruto happy.gif and just to note i was kind of surprized when NH where bashing sakura about how she screamed for naruto and how she punshed him when he came back( the way her bangs were covering her eyes made me think how much pissed off she was at him for making her worry so much wub.gif ) when they were supposed to thank her...if it wasnt for sakura hinata would have been dead,she healed hinata and that doesnt make any difference to them :cry:and wait a second...... headscratch.gif she seamed fine ,there werent even bandages covering her nothing at all ,sakura did a great job as usual a_thumbs.gif

You know, it's actually natural and sign of love, which can lead to romance, that a girl (Sakura) hit the guy (Naruto) for causing her to worry so much for his being. After all, all she can do is help people. She was worried when she heard Naruto went Kyuubi, but thankfully, she knows that she can't help and only Yamato is able to withstand it. But back to hitting Naruto, again, it's natural in Japan and perhaps everywhere. This actually happens in the movie How to Train Your Dragon, which Kishi is a big fan of, if anyone remembers the ending. I guess you can say it's normal.

Funny how people doesn't credit Sakura for saving Hinata. Seriously... dry.gif

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 05:49 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Aug 27 2012, 05:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know, it's actually natural and sign of love, which can lead to romance, that a girl (Sakura) hit the guy (Naruto) for causing her to worry so much for his being. After all, all she can do is help people. She was worried when she heard Naruto went Kyuubi, but thankfully, she knows that she can't help and only Yamato is able to withstand it. But back to hitting Naruto, again, it's natural in Japan and perhaps everywhere. This actually happens in the movie How to Train Your Dragon, which Kishi is a big fan of, if anyone remembers the ending. I guess you can say it's normal.

Funny how people doesn't credit Sakura for saving Hinata. Seriously... dry.gif


Pairing wars are much the same as political campaigns. Give no credit to your opponent's shining points, and be absolutely certain to embellish and exaggerate their every flaw. It's all about gaining supporters while infuriating the other camp.
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Posted 27 August 2012 - 05:58 PM

QUOTE (PachucoDesigns @ Aug 27 2012, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pairing wars are much the same as political campaigns. Give no credit to your opponent's shining points, and be absolutely certain to embellish and exaggerate their every flaw. It's all about gaining supporters while infuriating the other camp.


I dont care about supporters and i do not involve with those stuff as pairing wars that's why i do not even reply.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 05:59 PM

QUOTE (PachucoDesigns @ Aug 27 2012, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pairing wars are much the same as political campaigns. Give no credit to your opponent's shining points, and be absolutely certain to embellish and exaggerate their every flaw. It's all about gaining supporters while infuriating the other camp.

Good point.

It's funny that I can really debate on this, but chose not to. Besides, we have a lot of great debaters out there. So my work here is not needed. Sigh, sure wish there was like two chapters per week.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 06:34 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Aug 27 2012, 05:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good point.

It's funny that I can really debate on this, but chose not to. Besides, we have a lot of great debaters out there. So my work here is not needed. Sigh, sure wish there was like two chapters per week.


Trust me, it really isn't worth trying to debate. I've learned that.
On the morning of Wednesday, April 11th, 2012, my Aunt Karla passed away. She was my mother's baby sister, and my coolest aunt when I was a kid. She was the best babysitter ever, and she was like an older sister to me.

Karly, I don't know if you can hear this. I am not a believer, I haven't been since Sheryl died. But if you can, I want you to know that I'm truly sorry for everything bad I've ever said about you. When you were suffering, I should have been there to help you. I should have visited. I should have encouraged you to leave the house and get a job, to be active and alive the way you used to be.

I promise that I will do everything that I can to be successful and a good person, to make you proud the way you would have wanted me to. No matter what I said, I loved you. And I will always love you. Rest in Peace, you will never be forgotten.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 06:48 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Aug 27 2012, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good point.

It's funny that I can really debate on this, but chose not to. Besides, we have a lot of great debaters out there. So my work here is not needed. Sigh, sure wish there was like two chapters per week.

i wish that too shamefulcry0js.gif , i feel like its going to take too much time before sakura and naruto meet ,kishi will probably make flashbacks or turn to sasuke or the kages i
i really want to know if tobi is obito or possibly izuna( mm idont think that needed any spoiler tag but sweatdrop.gif but
cant stand it mad.gif ,its a good thing we have RTN that helps a bit fu.png,,,,,,,,.............and NARUSAKU4life3G: now that you mention her getting yamato i was wondering ,why did hinata go to pain by her self headscratch.gif ,she could have atleast let someone tag along if she simply said "naruto's down" everyone would've ran towards him( his friends i mean),she could have distracted pain and while the other tried releasing naruto since she KNEW that she had no chance

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