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[Iwantbuns]

I'd say he enjoyed the story somewhat till stuff like 693 came along and portrayed Sakura terribly, and now with the series coming to an end in 3 chapters he's not so confident Kishimoto can pull off a satisfying ending for NaruSaku.

 

Saving it till the end and dragging Sakura's feelings right until the last minute is not really encouraging as it shows to some people that she'll never stop being in love with Sasuke despite suffering and Sasuke most likely not returning her feelings, so it'll look like she "settled" or it'll look forced/rush or something along those lines.

 

What pisses me off about 693 is Kishimoto didn't need to have it play out like that but instead decided to drag it out and destroy Sakura's character. Not hard to see why most are not confident it'll happen in any satisfying war (or if it'll even happen at all because it looks like Sakura still loves him romantically).

 

I am still hoping that's not the case because we NEED answers to all the interrupted convos, hints, parallels etc. I am not that concerned with NaruHina because at the end of the day, the confession and 615 were more for her own personal development as a character rather than a shared romantic moment between those two. No followups and 631 (along with the CPR and heartgrab moments) hit the ship pretty damn hard.

 

Also within the context of the manga, Naruto has only spent a few days at most with Hinata while he spent 2 years with Sakura and was introduced as her love interest. Most of his romantic development involved Sakura whereas it was minimal with Hinata.

 

SasuSaku is an entirely different beast altogether as it existed since chapter 3 but that got the beating of it's life during this war arc and 693 wasn't exactly great despite what SS stans would like to believe.

 

The hilarity of the situation with SasuSaku is incredible because when the fake confession happened SS was quick to jump on the "NaruSaku is dead" bandwagon only to have their ship dragged through the mud in a worse manner by Kishimoto and now with 693, they're in the exact same position as NaruSaku was in but also have more to lose cause Sasuke put to rest all the secret feelings and other ridiculous headcanons they came up with.

 

I couldn't agree more with this post.

[SuperSilverStar]

I really was trying to be positive by describing a possible theory for Sakura's process of getting over her romantic feelings for sasuke and then things just took a turn for the worst. Oh well, sorry.

It's fine. You were expressing your thoughts and ideas and that's good. Gojira seems to have a tendency to umm.. go off the rails a bit when he sees something he disagrees with.

[KnS]

I really was trying to be positive by describing a possible theory for Sakura's process of getting over her romantic feelings for sasuke and then things just took a turn for the worst. Oh well, sorry.

 

That's what I got from your post, so don't worry about it.  There's always some kind of silver lining for people who want to enjoy the story.

 

Really, xxRomanceGirlxx is right.  If someone fears Kishimoto's writing, then there's nothing we can do to help or provide any cheer.

 

But there is a lot to cheer about.  I totally agree with the idea that was posted earlier, that no one was expecting the CPR scene when it happened, or that Minato would confirm the Sakura/Kushina parallel when and how he did, or that he would ask Naruto if Sakura was his girlfriend.

 

So many possibilities, so many things yet to happen.  

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I still remember saying Minato probably wasn't going to compare Sakura to Kushina and that we shouldn't be getting hopes up for a CPR. The next day, in both scenarios, we get 631 and 663.

 

lol sometimes it's good to be wrong.   

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 20 October 2014 - 03:33 AM.

[Elicit]

 

Sakura was actually thinking very affectionate thoughts while she was doing that CPR with the lip lock and heart squeeze and everything.

 

I'd even go as far as to say that her thoughts were romantic.

 

Edited by Elicit, 20 October 2014 - 03:53 AM.

[LuckyChi7]

The way I see it, some people are just losing hope that Kishi won't be able to it. Unlike them, I believe he'll be able to pull it off. Some times you've just got a look at things from a writer's perspective. There's always one or two struggles that the main character(s) go through within the story, and they're put in a situation where they have to come to terms with reality on what that struggle is. You see without having a character struggle through something it makes the story less appealing (or interesting). Let's use Elie from Rave Master as an example, through the whole story her struggle was dealing with memory loss and it took almost the entire series for her to get past that struggle. Now when we take a look at Sakura what's her struggle. It's Sasuke, same thing that Naruto's going through. Now from Sakura's perspective it's the feeling she's holding onto towards Sasuke, and despite those feelings she's unconsciously developing romantic feelings for Naruto. Here's the thing before Sakura can get together with Naruto she needs to come to terms with this struggle and realize exactly who she wants to be with. Then you look at things through Naruto's perspective which is the promise he made to Sakura towards the end of Part I and trying to get Sasuke back. Those are two biggest obstacles in the series yet because if you remember during the LOI arc there was a call back to the Promise of a lifetime. Of course this was also brought back up again in chapter 693, and some of you may wonder why Kishi decided to go that route for both Naruto and Sakura. The answer is quite simple, it's a way for Naruto and Sakura to finally come to terms with their internal struggles and move on from what Sasuke's done to them.   

Edited by LuckyChi7, 20 October 2014 - 04:01 AM.

[BlazingDynamo]

Off topic: That Ash and Serena moment I saw in yesterday's Pokemon XY episode.

 

On topic:We also have to remember even though chapt 693 killed some of us we must realize that Sakura doesn't want a relationship with Sasuke she just wants to save him from the darkness.

[questdrivencollie]

 

So?  And it was hardly on lockdown.  And like it's news that this fandom complained about something.  In general terms, this is THE most self-important, hateful, dissatisfied, whining, complaining, melodramatic, unforgiving, loudmouth, loser fandom I've ever experienced.

 

There are indeed legitimate criticisms to be made of some of Kishimoto's work and choices, but that still can't account for the sheer volume of jaw-flapping BS that goes on.

 

Good Lord and butter.

*nods* This and the Sonic fandom are the worst I've come across.

[Gojira]

Guys yesterday we were about to have happy times and now negative times? please don't.

don't be oversensitive nobody here is being negative. If any of us feel like criticizing Kishi's dumb writing we damn well have the right to.

[Gojira]

Off topic: That Ash and Serena moment I saw in yesterday's Pokemon XY episode.

 

On topic:We also have to remember even though chapt 693 killed some of us we must realize that Sakura doesn't want a relationship with Sasuke she just wants to save him from the darkness.

If anything that's actually worse.

[Illnevergiveup3]

If anything that's actually worse.

how?

[Gojira]

how?

Because that's NS using Sasuke's vile behavior as a crutch to happen. It's Kishi just giving us a handicap which is stupid. if she doesn't want to be with him than what the kitten was the point of bringing up her romantic feelings for him

[Illnevergiveup3]

Because that's NS using Sasuke's vile behavior as a crutch to happen. It's Kishi just giving us a handicap which is stupid. if she doesn't want to be with him than what the kitten was the point of bringing up her romantic feelings for him

yeah I know what you talking bout. I ain't get it neither. I'll have to see what Kishi does.

[BlazingDynamo]

Because that's NS using Sasuke's vile behavior as a crutch to happen. It's Kishi just giving us a handicap which is stupid. if she doesn't want to be with him than what the kitten was the point of bringing up her romantic feelings for him

I just be asking myself does she really love Sasuke or idk.

[Gojira]

I just be asking myself does she really love Sasuke or idk.

Probably not in a romantic way, I mean Kishi loves making kitten debatable on purpose and the fact that he even brought up love when she doesn't want to be with him romantically and when scarecrow referred to it in the past tense. 

Likely or not I just have a hard time picturing her meaning it romantically when its inconsistent and directly contradicted. 

Edited by Gojira, 20 October 2014 - 04:30 AM.

[BlackBird19]

That's why I say Kishi does know what he's doing because that chapter has done it's job. Raising nothing but doubt in one part of the fandom and confusing the other parts, leaving everyone wondering where this is really going no matter how confident you are in the apparent ending. That's what all the highly debated chapters are there for. But it's cool if some you don't trust his writing. I understand where the frustrations are coming from. 

Edited by BlackBird19, 20 October 2014 - 04:43 AM.

[narusaku256]

Off topic: That Ash and Serena moment I saw in yesterday's Pokemon XY episode.
 
On topic:We also have to remember even though chapt 693 killed some of us we must realize that Sakura doesn't want a relationship with Sasuke she just wants to save him from the darkness.

I ship them from now on. Though its still NOT my OTP XD

[Chucky-kun]

From what i'm gathering you're the one here who doesn't get it.

 

 

 

You're lack of common sense is astonishing do go on.

Please refrain from personal derogatory comments towards others users which make you seem like an kitten and make others think twice on whether or not to engage in a discussion with you.

[Harbour]

When someone tells me that NH has more chances to happen than NS, i always want to say following:

 

Kishimoto create the scene of Naruto and Minato's farewell. Minato said that he will tell about everything to Kushina. 

Thus, the author implies that Minato and Kushina certainly meet in heaven.

And guess what Minato will tell her about Naruto's relationships? He will tell that Naruto has the girl named Sakura, and that Minato asked her to care about their son. 

After that MinatoNaruto scene i simply can't think that Kishimoto allows NH to happen. NH means Kushina will be deceived. Naruto's parents will live in heaven thinking that Naruto and Sakura are happy, but it will not be true. I simply can't see Kishi make that. As the parent himself he doesnt allow the Naruto's parents to be deceived. So there is another reason why I'm sure NS will be canonized. 

Edited by Harbour, 20 October 2014 - 10:40 AM.

[Silent Storm]

The way I see it, you need to follow the patterns and dynamics of each character, only then can you frame a picture of where Kishimoto is heading when it comes to ending pairings.

 

Because if NaruHina and SasuSaku were meant to be endgame, then;

 

-Why did Kishimoto have it so Sasuke left the village and have him show no doubt in his actions when Sakura confessed her love to him in part 1?

 

-If Sasuke was meant to end up together with Sakura, why didn't Kishimoto have Naruto, like Sakura with Naruto, see Hinata in a different light than he already does, and why hasn't he hinted that Naruto might start to see if Hinata in a romantic light (especially during the war)?

 

-Why was it that Hinata, if NaruHina is meant to be canon, was absent for the majority of Part 2 and comparatively spent little time with Naruto compared to Sakura?

 

-Why did Kishimoto decide to parallel the team 7 dynamic with Minato's team and the 3 Sannin, as well as emphasize Obito's and Jiraiya's failure in winning over the girl of his dreams?

 

-Why has there been no substantial followups towards Hinata's confession and 615?

 

-Why has the war played out as it did for Sakura and Sasuke if SasuSaku is meant to be endgame? By this I mean why did a Sasuke not hellbent on killing indiscriminately anymore treating Sakura like kitten such as going as far as to cut through her to get to Madara, telling her she was useless in the upcoming battle, telling Naruto that he should let both her and Kakashi die in molten lava as they're a liability and somewhat useless in the battle (which may have been true at that point but why have it show that Sasuke didn't care about whether they lived or died)?

 

-Why has it been that since the start of the manga Sakura and Sasuke are not in tune with each other's thoughts, feelings and history. If SasuSaku is meant to be canon why is it that Sakura does not know the full details of the Uchiha, Itachi or how Sasuke really feelings?

 

-What was the point of the Heaven and Earth speech?

 

-If SasuSaku is meant to be endgame, why is it that romantic love is not an aspect of Sasuke's character, and why hasn't he been hinted to have romantic feelings for either Sakura or Karin?

 

-If NaruHina is meant to be endgame, why have Kushina be a direct parallel to Sakura in terms of insecurity and opinions of Minato and Naruto, only to then foreshadow Naruto finding a girl just like her mother, who shares the same mannerisms temperment as Sakura?

 

-Following on from that, if NaruHina and SasuSaku were endgame, why place Sakura and Karin beside Naruto and Sasuke in their darkest hour, only to then reveal that Sakura shares the same dream as Naruto and then proceed to do whatever it takes to keep him alive? CPR wasn't necessary but that and the heart grab is pretty telling on where Naruto is heading when it comes to endgame pairings.

 

-If Hinata is meant to be Naruto's love interest, why have it so Minato, his damn father, meets Sakura and then question whether she's his girlfriend, only for Naruto to jokeingly say yes and have Minatao make the comparison between her and Kushina?

 

-If NaruHina is meant to be endgame, why spoil the end pairing in a dream sequence with her together with Naruto, and having Neji in the background spying on them, only to pair this dream with other dreams that have no chance in hell of happening (like Kiba being hokage, Sai and Sasuke fighting over Ino and a future where Dan is the hokage and Nawaki and Jiraiya are alive)?

 

-If SasuSaku is meant to be endgame, why have Sasuke outright reject Sakura's feelings once again, but instead of a simple genjutsu, have it so Sakura is "killed" by Sasuke's hand with a chidori to the heart?

 

-If SasuSaku is meant to be endgame, why is it that these supposed feelings and headcanons from the other side have been thoroughly dismantled by Sasuke's own words following on from 693?

 

-Why is it that Sakura is shown to he ashamed of her feelings towards Sasuke, but whenever she's around Naruto she's  always happy and smiling, and he fills her with hope?

 

-Why hint that Sakura might possibly have romantic feelings for Naruto with interrupted conversations with 3rd party commentary?

 

-Uchiha's love is meant to be stronger than that of a regular shinobi, to the point where they unlock a new power if they lose or are close to losing someone they consider dear to them. So if that's the case, why was it that Karin was used a means for Sasuke to unlock the power to dispel the amaterasu, even going as far as to act irrationally and put the lives of his other teammates in danger just to save Karin, but when it came to the war arc, Sasuke was quite willing to let Sakura die in molton lava and even go as far as to cut through her to get Madara?

 

-Finally, why are the dynamics in NaruHina and SasuSaku imbalanced?

 

There is a pattern Kishimoto has developed when it came to NaruSaku that remained consistent throughout the manga. Nowhere in the manga has Kishimoto decided to parallel NaruHina and SasuSaku, but all parallels point towards a NaruSaku ending. Why is it that Kishimoto decide to show only Sakura's feelings and opinions of Naruto change, but Naruto, Hinata and Sasuke have remained largely consistent in their characters from the minute they were introduced?

 

What pairing fans fail to do is look at the dynamics of each relationship in a casual and battle setting. In NaruHina's case, Hinata has not been shown to converse with Naruto in a casual setting outside of battle and in battle enough for them to progress in their relationship. Not only that, but comparatively, he's spent more time with Sakura than with Hinata and has shown no signs of falling out of love with her for Hinata. Through these casual interactions we gain insight into Naruto and Sakura's relationships and just how similar they are in personality, interests and goals. They understand each other and both want the same things. This is what I think Kishimoto wanted to show us and they have the strongest foundations for a relationship.

 

On Sasuke's end we are introduced to a character he has more respect for than Sakura, unlocks a new power to save her and even went as far as to apologise to her after he was on his true darkness kick. With Sakura we're shown just how little he cares for her and her feelings during the Madara and Kaguya attack.

 

People make the mistake of viewing moments in isolation and not viewing the story as a whole, and then proceed to develop headcanons that go against what these characters are about. If NaruSaku happens (hopefully) then it won't be an asspull or something nobody saw coming because time and time again they've proven to not understand the dynamics of each relationship and placed to much emphasis on the feelings of the females, not taking into considering how the males (especially Naruto who is the main character and has had an established love interest since chapter 3) feel about all this which is why I say nowadays a lot of the pairing fans on the other side don't give a kitten about Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke and Hinata anymore because they're more fixated on being right than anything else.

 

If both pairings happen then all the parallels, foreshadowing and development would have gone to waste for nothing.

Edited by Silent Storm, 20 October 2014 - 03:41 PM.