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[narusaku256]

No they don't I feel exactly the same I did a few minutes ago. I know NS will be canon i'm very confident Kishi will tie it up with Sakura confirming her feelings....I don't believe its going to be done well, because Kishi cares more about keeping things a surprise then making characters progress. If Arakawa did this with the EdxWinry relationship, it would be so much less popular to a hilarious degree. 

Well...we cannot say that things won't be convincing if they haven't even happened uptil now, right? Who know...there's still the surprise element....

[Gojira]

Well...we cannot say that things won't be convincing if they haven't even happened uptil now, right? Who know...there's still the surprise element....

Remember the time when Tobi was revealed to be Obito? The entire internet was practically on lockdown because of how stupid that twist was. 

Edited by Gojira, 19 October 2014 - 08:50 PM.

[narusaku256]

Remember time when Tobi was revealed to be Obito? The entire internet was practically on lockdown because of Kishi's completely lackluster writing. 

Remember Minato's comment and the CPR? All the fandoms except NS were thrown into an abyss of destruction when Kishi gave away those moments! They had become delusional and were in denial!

Edited by narusaku256, 19 October 2014 - 08:53 PM.

[Naruko]

No they don't I feel exactly the same I did a few minutes ago. I know NS will be canon i'm very confident Kishi will tie it up with Sakura confirming her feelings....I don't believe its going to be done well, because Kishi cares more about keeping things a surprise then making characters progress. If Arakawa did this with the EdxWinry relationship, it would be so much less popular to a hilarious degree. 

 

The only thing I'm indecisive on is whether or not is whether or not it will be an appealing conclusion....which props to Kishi for making that an actual problem for an OTP going on 15 years, I mean you'd actually have to try to get someone to find their favorite pairing for 15 years to be dissapointed by a conclusion. 

 

I believe Kishi has enough writing ability to make that not happen. 

[KnS]

Remember the time when Tobi was revealed to be Obito? The entire internet was practically on lockdown because of how stupid that twist was. 

 

So?  And it was hardly on lockdown.  And like it's news that this fandom complained about something.  In general terms, this is THE most self-important, hateful, dissatisfied, whining, complaining, melodramatic, unforgiving, loudmouth, loser fandom I've ever experienced.

 

There are indeed legitimate criticisms to be made of some of Kishimoto's work and choices, but that still can't account for the sheer volume of jaw-flapping BS that goes on.

 

Good Lord and butter.

[Illnevergiveup3]

 
So?  And it was hardly on lockdown.  And like it's news that this fandom complained about something.  In general terms, this is THE most self-important, hateful, dissatisfied, whining, complaining, melodramatic, unforgiving, loudmouth, loser fandom I've ever experienced.
 
There are indeed legitimate criticisms to be made of some of Kishimoto's work and choices, but that still can't account for the sheer volume of jaw-flapping BS that goes on.
 
Good Lord and butter.

lol, well damn.

[BlackBird19]

Good lord I couldn't agree more with @KnS. This fandom is all over the place and so many, not all panic at the drop of a hat. Maybe it's because I'm older than most here but it seems like the fans just don't know how to take the story in stride. 

[AHK]

The OVA scene is not happening....it seems to be going that way....but its not happening. Another alternative route will be made to go about doing things. I am okay with the OVA as well but since it means Naruto loses, that's something we won't like and whatever the case...battle is the main priority in shounen mangas and pairings are a sub plot and since Naruto is the hero....he has to defeat Sasuke. Inspite of this, the pairings can have a closure.

  
It might not mean Naruto loses. They could both end up in that position, and Sakura could just go running over to Naruto. Or they could draw, Sasuke could run away, and Naruto could pass out, and then Sakura gets there. It could happen.

no he used daisuki

  
So did Sakura..

" He's connected to the woman even more fantastic than Kushina" That's his opinion, he might find Sakura/Hinata even more fantastic than Kushina, you know. We find Sakura, so that's why we suppose it's a NS hint, though, he can think differently. 
 
"Naruto will make a tender woman a wife" - Idk you guys but I think Hinata fits "tender" better than Sakura. Though it also can go both ways.
 
"Naruto will accomplish his love" - I find that one much more pro-NS, but it's still vague, since if he's gonna marry Hinata (in which I don't believe lol), it sure will be from love, knowing Naruto. 
 
"Sakura, Sasuke will love forever" - .... 
 
"Naruto will have tender moments with a family of his own" - Yeah, and what about that quote is not vague? It can go NS/NH equally.  
 
Tbh, I'm  not worried about NH/SS happening, but his responses are indeed vague and they can go both ways. 
 
 



 
That.

The only thing that I have got say is that there was that thing Sai said about being tender with Naruto, and then when Shikaku told Shikamaru that "even the roughest of women are tender to the man they love". I don't think that Hinata is tender, I think she's she's just shy, and that shyness leads to kindness. It's not exactly the same thing as tender.

[KnS]

Good lord I couldn't agree more with @KnS. This fandom is all over the place and so many, not all panic at the drop of a hat. Maybe it's because I'm older than most here but it seems like the fans just don't know how to take the story in stride. 

 

Thanks for the support.     

 

But I want to be clear that I'm not necessarily talking about the peeps here.  It's the entire freaking fandom.  It doesn't matter where you go -- other forums, blogs, tumblr, Live Journal, anywhere -- it's the same BS.  I am likely biased, but I feel H&E is superior in tone and intention, although we have had our less than shining moments.

 

And it's not just the hateful braying about Kishimoto that goes on, it's the hateful attitude toward other shippers.  Toward people who prefer certain characters or don't care for them at all.  In some corners -- or now even in general -- you can't find many people willing to say a good word about anything unless it directly supports their ship or its shippers.

 

Just wait until Kishimoto finally gives up the goods and disappoints a big sector or sectors of the fandom.  We'll be waist-deep in blood and disjecta membra.  

 

Sigh.

 

It's like Lord of the Flies: Naruto Fandom Edition, or something.

[FreakySandra1995]

 
You're definitely not alone.  I have never wavered from being totally positive about NS.  There are a number of us around here -- and I know exactly who they are -- who have never wavered, never feared, and stood strong and positive even when others wanted to burn us at the stake for our "arrogance" and "delusions" after #615.
 
They will have to pry the NS manifesto from my cold, dead hands.  
 
If Kishimoto does something to sabotage his own work, then that's on him.  All I would be able to do at that point is admit I was wrong about him.

I agree with this 100%! That's exactly how I feel, but I didn't have the vocabulary to form those thoughts in English x)
And I'm really glad to see so many still on the positive side. I guess the current negative mood didn't let me see that O'm not alone here.

[KnS]

You know...  It would have been interesting if... instead of trying another pathetic beg-fest to get Sasuke to turn away from his stupid path, Sakura had said something like, "Please don't do this, Sasuke.  Please don't make Naruto kill you -- for his sake -- please!"

 

I mean, we know Naruto wouldn't kill Sasuke no matter what, but it would have been cool if Sakura had known he could and begged for Naruto to not have to make that choice. 

 

I would have liked that a lot better.  Just saying.

[Silent Storm]

Yeah, going to have to agree with KnS on the fandoms bit.

 

In general the Naruto fandom is one of the worst I've experienced when it comes to respecting one's opinion or preference, opinions about the story and it's themes and general attitude towards one another. Narusaku.com I've found is better than most due to how respectful (and funny) it can be. Paranoia aside, I feel better here, discussing Naruto and the pairing then I do on places like NF, where rudeness and lack of respect is rife and even encouraged.

 

Take for instance the Sasuke face-heel turn. Various people on NF and other places believed that Sasuke was back for good the fight against Naruto and Sasuke wouldn't happen, despite all the foreshadowing leading up to the battle and various things such as;

 

-Juugo questioning Sasuke's intentions.

-Sasuke out of the blue announcing he'll be hokage.

-Sakura distrusting him.

-Sasuke thinking of killing Naruto as a means of "erasing the past".

-Sasuke's answers towards the Sage not being known till now.

 

All the signs pointed towards Sasuke still not being completely on the side of good and there being a final fight between him and Naruto, but the fandom took to outright denying it and bashing anyone that posted anything that didn't agree with their theory.

 

What I like about this place as well is NS fans will call out other NS fans on theories that might not sound too great. That is not something I see in the NH and SS fandom, which all repeat the same arguments and back each other up despite how ridiculous their theories and headcanons sound when compared to the actual story (which also contradicts various character themes and personalities).

 

Naruto was the first series where I actively got involved in shipping, but after all is said and done, i think I am gonna stop shipping unless the pairings are really REALLY obvious. I am tired of the constant fighting. I hope NaruSaku happens, not only for it being right and it having the development, but for yet another thing the fandom got horribly wrong again but instead will have a meltdown.

[Gojira]

You know...  It would have been interesting if... instead of trying another pathetic beg-fest to get Sasuke to turn away from his stupid path, Sakura had said something like, "Please don't do this, Sasuke.  Please don't make Naruto kill you -- for his sake -- please!"

 

I mean, we know Naruto wouldn't kill Sasuke no matter what, but it would have been cool if Sakura had known he could and begged for Naruto to not have to make that choice. 

 

I would have liked that a lot better.  Just saying.

I would have liked it alot better if Kishi didn't just flat out say what a massive waste of time her 2 years of training was just so he could parallel Sakura's rejection from part 1. In fact literally anything would have been better than what we got on 693....literally nobody came out a winner on that one, not NS and certainly not SS.

[BlackBird19]

@KnS I understood you were talking about the fandom on a whole. I was too or I would of never bothered to join this forum. most of the people here are pretty cool and read the manga in a similar fashion as I do. It just seems that sometimes things are just taken so personally as if this story were true and on not what it is, a story. They've put so much of themselves and what they want from the story while reading it that they don't allow themselves to enjoy it. If you can stay somewhat objective and remember that this work fiction doesn't really have any effect on your day to day life, you will easily see where this story was heading to right from the start. It would make all of Kishi's plot devices and ship teases seem a lot less earth shattering.

[Nostradamus]

@KnS I understood you were talking about the fandom on a whole. I was too or I would of never bothered to join this forum. most of the people here are pretty cool and read the manga in a similar fashion as I do. It just seems that sometimes things are just taken so personally as if this story were true and on not what it is, a story. They've put so much of themselves and what they want from the story while reading it that they don't allow themselves to enjoy it. If you can stay somewhat objective and remember that this work fiction doesn't really have any effect on your day to day life, you will easily see where this story was heading to right from the start. It would make all of Kishi's plot devices and ship teases seem a lot less earth shattering.

"Stories come naturally to us. We can't help it. There are many different worlds, many competing realities within our heads, fueled by books, television, even barely remembered childhood tales.

There's an endless supply of fictional concepts more familiar to us than anything or anyone real. We have a far greater connection to the fictional characters we know and love than the random people we pass on the street. Our destinies and inspirations are shaped by lies, myths and fables."

[Gojira]

I believe Kishi has enough writing ability to make that not happen.

I dont know what Kishi ever did to give you this impression

[Naruko]

I dont know what Kishi ever did to give you this impression

 

If you never found his writing good, why have you ever became a fan? I'm curious now. 

Edited by Naruko, 20 October 2014 - 01:20 AM.

[redragon88]

 

So?  And it was hardly on lockdown.  And like it's news that this fandom complained about something.  In general terms, this is THE most self-important, hateful, dissatisfied, whining, complaining, melodramatic, unforgiving, loudmouth, loser fandom I've ever experienced.

 

There are indeed legitimate criticisms to be made of some of Kishimoto's work and choices, but that still can't account for the sheer volume of jaw-flapping BS that goes on.

 

Good Lord and butter.

 

Preach it!

[Silent Storm]

I'd say he enjoyed the story somewhat till stuff like 693 came along and portrayed Sakura terribly, and now with the series coming to an end in 3 chapters he's not so confident Kishimoto can pull off a satisfying ending for NaruSaku.

 

Saving it till the end and dragging Sakura's feelings right until the last minute is not really encouraging as it shows to some people that she'll never stop being in love with Sasuke despite suffering and Sasuke most likely not returning her feelings, so it'll look like she "settled" or it'll look forced/rush or something along those lines.

 

What pisses me off about 693 is Kishimoto didn't need to have it play out like that but instead decided to drag it out and destroy Sakura's character. Not hard to see why most are not confident it'll happen in any satisfying way (or if it'll even happen at all because it looks like Sakura still loves him romantically).

 

I am still hoping that's not the case because we NEED answers to all the interrupted convos, hints, parallels etc. I am not that concerned with NaruHina because at the end of the day, the confession and 615 were more for her own personal development as a character rather than a shared romantic moment between those two. No followups and 631 (along with the CPR and heartgrab moments) hit the ship pretty damn hard.

 

Also within the context of the manga, Naruto has only spent a few days at most with Hinata while he spent 2 years with Sakura and was introduced as her love interest. Most of his romantic development involved Sakura whereas it was minimal with Hinata.

 

SasuSaku is an entirely different beast altogether as it existed since chapter 3 but that got the beating of it's life during this war arc and 693 wasn't exactly great despite what SS stans would like to believe.

 

The hilarity of the situation with SasuSaku is incredible because when the fake confession happened SS was quick to jump on the "NaruSaku is dead" bandwagon only to have their ship dragged through the mud in a worse manner by Kishimoto and now with 693, they're in the exact same position as NaruSaku was in but also have more to lose cause Sasuke put to rest all the secret feelings and other ridiculous headcanons they came up with.

Edited by Silent Storm, 20 October 2014 - 03:23 AM.

[Gojira]

wasn't a fake confession