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[VanitasDS76491]

Bets! Bets anyone? Will this be another "creator's pet A-pull?" 

Probably or hiro will give us a good fight since this has been built up for awhile.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'll be shocked to see a different turn.

[AHK]

Probably or hiro will give us a good fight since this has been built up for awhile.

"Built up" is putting it very generously.

[harry4e]

I thought the way the flashback ended was piss poor but the chapter this week was....even bad would be a compliment. This is getting to Bleach level low.

[Bail o' Lies]

Honestly they should have kept the switch till Erza defeated her in Wendy's body and then have Wendy forcefully take back her body. Then start a round two instead of a one chapter event; not counting the cliff-hanger from last chapter.

[Phantom_999]

Well another chapter or 2 at least but not too long cause then the fight would be TOO LONG and we'd be begging for it to end. But yes, with how the plot point was built up pn Irene stealing Wendy's body you would think it would stick around for a little while longer at least. the only thing I enjoyed at least was that it was an awesome moment for Wendy and it context that "changing bodies back" makes sense. It WAS pointed out by Irene that there has to be compatibility for the bodies to switch, so I guess that means both bodies must know of enchantement magic, and in Irenes body she DOES have much more Magic power too. So while rushed and seemingly idiotic it's not exactly ill thought out, to be fair.

[Bail o' Lies]

Well another chapter or 2 at least but not too long cause then the fight would be TOO LONG and we'd be begging for it to end. But yes, with how the plot point was built up pn Irene stealing Wendy's body you would think it would stick around for a little while longer at least. the only thing I enjoyed at least was that it was an awesome moment for Wendy and it context that "changing bodies back" makes sense. It WAS pointed out by Irene that there has to be compatibility for the bodies to switch, so I guess that means both bodies must know of enchantment magic, and in Irenes body she DOES have much more Magic power too. So while rushed and seemingly idiotic it's not exactly ill thought out, to be fair.

The problem isn't the logic behind the body swap, it is the brevity of the event that's the problem.

 

It's just, "well that happened."

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 16 January 2017 - 07:08 PM.

[Phantom_999]

Agreed it could have lasted a bit more since it was bothered to be brought up. But if it was too long, on the other end of te spectrum, would we and many other readers be complaiing about it being too long? Just saying.

[harry4e]

Agreed it could have lasted a bit more since it was bothered to be brought up. But if it was too long, on the other end of te spectrum, would we and many other readers be complaiing about it being too long? Just saying.

 

I'm not even sure if it's the length at which it was done, but the manner at which it was handled, she was built up as a important person since her reveal, and hyped up, even her flashback started well, then it went down hill after it's revealed she became the first dragon slayer, it's felt pointless, and her shift from being a loving person to uncaring individual was odd, and at this point  you wonder what was even the point of her character at all, it added nothing to Erza's character or past, and it just feels like wasted chapters chat could have been used for actual relevant story elements.

 

At this point it just feels like someone looked at the roster, of Team Natsu, saw Wendy and Natsu had dragon slayer magic that tied them to the plot, Lucy had her mothers part in history, so they decided to add Gray and Erza needed a link as well, Gray's was handled but not really necessary, and Erza's is just plain bad, neither needed a link, or further motivation, it's like they forgot Grays parents and mentor died due to Zerefs monster, and Erza was a slave due to Zerefs followers and all the stuff with Jellal.

[Codus N]

They could've settled to have Erza as a rallying leader taking Makarov's place after kicking the bucket for good, but instead shoe-horned in a pointless plotline that makes her look more like a lazily-written mary sue character. I didn't have a problem with Gray, since it was hinted as far back as ToH that he would have the plotline that he had. It might not be as well executed as it could be, but it was still better than Erza's that came out of nowhere.

[TouKen4Life3g]

At least there won't be Dragon related element for Erza....................................right?

[harry4e]

They could've settled to have Erza as a rallying leader taking Makarov's place after kicking the bucket for good, but instead shoe-horned in a pointless plotline that makes her look more like a lazily-written mary sue character. I didn't have a problem with Gray, since it was hinted as far back as ToH that he would have the plotline that he had. It might not be as well executed as it could be, but it was still better than Erza's that came out of nowhere.

 

Exactly just because a character is popular doesn't mean they need to be integrated into the relevance of the plot. They should have taken the Shikamaru route, he was more popular than expected but he didn't suddenly become someone who's ancestors helped the Sage of Six paths defeat the Ten Tails. Instead they went for the Hinata route and added a twin brother who no one cared for or still cares for to make her seem relevant.

[rocci]

@harry
Well, to be fair shikamaru is author favorite and that is what make him relevant to the plot.

Edited by rocci, 18 January 2017 - 04:06 AM.

[Phantom_999]

 

I'm not even sure if it's the length at which it was done, but the manner at which it was handled, she was built up as a important person since her reveal, and hyped up, even her flashback started well, then it went down hill after it's revealed she became the first dragon slayer, it's felt pointless, and her shift from being a loving person to uncaring individual was odd, and at this point  you wonder what was even the point of her character at all, it added nothing to Erza's character or past, and it just feels like wasted chapters chat could have been used for actual relevant story elements.

 

At this point it just feels like someone looked at the roster, of Team Natsu, saw Wendy and Natsu had dragon slayer magic that tied them to the plot, Lucy had her mothers part in history, so they decided to add Gray and Erza needed a link as well, Gray's was handled but not really necessary, and Erza's is just plain bad, neither needed a link, or further motivation, it's like they forgot Grays parents and mentor died due to Zerefs monster, and Erza was a slave due to Zerefs followers and all the stuff with Jellal.

 

 

They could've settled to have Erza as a rallying leader taking Makarov's place after kicking the bucket for good, but instead shoe-horned in a pointless plotline that makes her look more like a lazily-written mary sue character. I didn't have a problem with Gray, since it was hinted as far back as ToH that he would have the plotline that he had. It might not be as well executed as it could be, but it was still better than Erza's that came out of nowhere.

 

Yeah I'm not saying you two don't have a point, but maybe it's only how we view it I don't see Erza's origins being tied to the Dragon slayers to be a waste of time even though it has no bearing on the plot, and in fact it gives Erza an interesting background. Now despite complaints, this DOES NOT  justify why Erza gets Creator's pet A-pulls, because they are just that: a-pulls. You don't see Erza using anything remotely dragonic when she fights, right? that is just plot armor. She doesn't have excuses to do the bs she does and this just furthers the point not, justify it. She has a super powerful mother yet inherited none of her magic prowess nor uses such story breaking macic.

 

On the subject of Gray and Silver, while it IS foreshadowed it still falls under the same category as this complaint, it has no relevance to the plot. It was to give Gray some character depth and a much needed power-up. Does a story element always need foreshadowing to be effective? I'd think not , or there would be very little fictional stories to be satisfied about. Back on topic. Erza's origins have no relevance to the plot, that is true. But do you know what else has no relevance to the plot? Zeref teaching All of Fairy Tail's founders magic. Besides the relationship with Mavis and the curse, there is no plot relevance to any of the founding members being Zeref's former students. Heck, Zeref did not even recogize Hades as Precht even though he SHOULD. My point is, is relations with Zeref and Fairy Tail's creation (besides Mavis) plot relevant? Not really. does it make for an interesting plot twist. Well I hear no complaints, so you would have to tell me what the difference here is if you please.

 

Irene's Backstory is pointless? I disagree. Aren't villains  who are given tragic backstories that have them try do great good then devolve to madness made much more interesting? If you are to complain about this point, it should be about the execution of it, or there is little point to make this an exception of a  a tragic villain that you don't like, but like so many more that are handled similarly to this case.

 

Lastly I will say this. My liking a Great moment for Wendy aside, it is an a-pull too. There is no getting around it. I do enjoy it but logically speaking there is no way that should have been pulled off. So take of it what you will.

Edited by Phantom_999, 19 January 2017 - 07:53 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

@harry
Well, to be fair shikamaru is author favorite and that is what make him relevant to the plot.

I though sasuke was author favorite if we're still talking about kishi. Shikamaru and temari are the only characters I don't hate but are still dumb as hell at points and are the only pairing I have no problem with.

[Gravenimage]

To those that don't like Erza and the pacing of the manga you can stop reading the manga and wait until we hear from Natsu or other characters.

[rocci]

I though sasuke was author favorite if we're still talking about kishi. Shikamaru and temari are the only characters I don't hate but are still dumb as hell at points and are the only pairing I have no problem with.

Sasuke is author favorite, but that doesn't mean author can't have several favorite, right?
In kishi case if a character is kishi favorite, it's guarantee to have his effort and energy to be written.
So the like of shikamaru and therefore his team would become more relevant to the plot and have more exposure for a supportive character compare with the other like Hinata who's studio and fan female favorite character and lee who's a once favorite.

[harry4e]

To those that don't like Erza and the pacing of the manga you can stop reading the manga and wait until we hear from Natsu or other characters.

 

Erza is still my favourite character in the Manga, but the current arc with her mother is just bad, it adds nothing to Erxa's character, except maybe give a weak reason why she's so strong, I'd probably be happier if Eileen was not related to Erza and her backstory would have just been another flashback badly done.

 

 

If we wait for the pacing to improve then the manga will be over before we continue reading, the pacing has been bad since the island trials and has gotten worst each arc, specially the way cliffhangers are handled.

[milan kyuubi]

Chapter (518) is out!

 

Will keep my opinion until I see next chapter....

[TouKen4Life3g]

Chapter (518) is out!

 

Will keep my opinion until I see next chapter....

My thoughts exactly.