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[dfammer]

Enuogh of these crazy quotes! lets get back to NS .

[Serenity Namikaze]

Now Sasuke is the one who changes Sakura to be a better person..
and its "Because SHE LOVES HIM" is better than "EVEN I CAN TELL HE REALLY LOVES YOU."

I already made my point about 'Sasuke is the one who changes Sakura to be a better person' statement, so I won't repeat that again.
Now for the rest of the 'argument'. First of all, how can Sai could really know if Sakura still love Sasuke. As far as I'm concern, he never see actual proof that Sakura still love him (something tell me that it was 'loved' not 'loves', I think that someone in the Jumpfest 2010 forum have make that clarification). Unlike the 'EVEN I CAN TELL HE REALLY LOVES YOU', he actually was there when Naruto react after he ask him why he doesn't tell Sakura how he really feel.

Plan Kamikasakura involved "confessing" to Naruto, to get rid of the guilt Sai dropped on her, to then go die in a suicide bomber mission to kill Sasuke (knowing Sakura, I'd think her yet unrevealed plan would involve poisons and her infallible cunning skills).

Sakura cries because she's the one that inflicted most of Naruto's pain, she also say that she no longer wish to make another mistake, yet it was only to ' to get rid of the guilt Sai dropped on her' that she 'confess' to Naruto.

But Kishi decided that he would make her look like a b*tch. Even as a NH fan I really didn't wish this on Sakura. But as far as I'm concerned, NS died in 469, and the following chapters only confirmed my first impressions so really the only NS that Hinata needs to worry about is NaruSasu...

Kishi didn't make her a b*tch but the many Sakura haters and NaruHina'ers. Kishi even says that she was being honest with Naruto in that confession.

As for NaruSasu... drog, not good for braincells. We have many proof that show Naruto not playing in THAT club. Ex : Sora arc, when Sai want to comfort Naruto 'putting his arm gently on Naruto's shoulder'. Also, When Naruto had found the way to combine his chakra nature with the rasengan, Kakashi-sensei told him that he was starting to like Naruto. In the first situation, he punch Sai to get away from him and told him that 'he not in into stuff like that'. in the last situation, he make a 'EWWWWW' face and try to get as far as possible of Kakashi-sensei. If that not the proof that Naruto isn't gay then I really don't know Naruto at all. As for Sasuke, it pretty clear that he not interested in ANY KIND of relationship. The only thing that matter to him is his revenge.

Really now I just hope that NH will happen in a nice way. Would be nice to see Naruto thinking about her more before the meet again, maybe even during his current passed out state. I expect some internal struggle/thinking/dreaming/comatose visions, and it would be nice to have it end with Hinata appearing and having a soothing effect on him. But that's most likely just wishful thinking.

VERY unlikely. Naruto have A LOT more important thing in mind then Hinata's right now. He will not have sudden 'internal struggle/thinking/dreaming/comatose visions with Hinata suddenly helping him'. Like that fan say, it is wishful thinking. Why he would think of Hinata on that moment if he didn't even think of her when he came back after Pein's fight.

No hard feelings NaruSaku'ers, but in my view, Sakura's confession killed your ship (without even needing to compare it with Hinata's).

Yeah, and Naruto not thinking of Hinata since is battle against Pein pretty much drop the already very low probability to almost none for the NaruHina'ers. ( I don't say that it kill totally the pairing because I, unlike that fan, will wait for future development to the story while trying to have an objective mind)

your reaction guys?

General reaction :

Edited by silverserenity, 07 February 2010 - 05:45 AM.

[Devil Keyz]

^^ ROFL tell that ..thing... that in OUR veiw, N/H died when they got mad at Sakura for admiting her feelings and Kishi for enforcing them by saying she was being Honest.

[Hopestar]

Does anyone have something new to say because you all have been repeating yourselves and eacho ther in the last few pages...

[Miss Soupy]

^ If you have a problem then why don't you say something?

[Serenity Namikaze]

Does anyone have something new to say because you all have been repeating yourselves and eacho ther in the last few pages...

Well, for my point, it was my first time that I debate with NaruHina and NaruSasu argument (it was always SasuSaku). Sorry if it seem repetitive to you.

[Hopestar]

Sorry guys

But this whole NH, SS nonsense is really repetitive! Those aren't going to change regardless NS is stated. We all see that on NF. I was thinking maybe we can discuss something thats not NH, SS, or even Sasuke related for a little while...
Let's just focus on NS and what Kishi has install for them.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

*rolls around on the floor laughing hysterically*

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Enuogh of these crazy quotes! lets get back to NS .

err.. ok

Sorry guys

But this whole NH, SS nonsense is really repetitive! Those aren't going to change regardless NS is stated. We all see that on NF. I was thinking maybe we can discuss something thats not NH, SS, or even Sasuke related for a little while...
Let's just focus on NS and what Kishi has install for them.

..uhmm well okay.

@silver
I agree on your post...

[Jenskott]

But this whole NH, SS nonsense is really repetitive! Those aren't going to change regardless NS is stated. We all see that on NF. I was thinking maybe we can discuss something thats not NH, SS, or even Sasuke related for a little while...
Let's just focus on NS and what Kishi has install for them.

I agree. It is really repetitive. And fans of opposing pairings shall never change, regardless what happens.

But you have to remember, Hopestar, this is not a general thread, but a pairing debate thread. Hence, it is inevitable arguments related to NH, SS or Sasuke will be brought up and argued against time and again.

For example, I could state the last two chapters should have slaughtered all Sasuke pairings, but since SasuNaru still has a huge following in spite of Sasuke tried killing Naruto several times (and Naruto isn't gay), most likely it will not happen.

I haven't mentioned NH/SS, I in fact mentioned other pairing, but I have been forced to bring Sasuke up, regardless.

But if you want me trying focusing on another NS debate theme... When I found out not many people thought NS was the official couple back in the Part I, I was surprised. Sometimes I think it is due to not many people being aware of the tsundere trope or -involuntarily or voluntarily- missing out little moments such like Naruto surprising Sakura during the Bell Test, Sakura blushing when Naruto faced Zabuza, Sakura carrying Naruto after one mission, Kakashi stating off-handily she could have reluctantly taken the chuunin exam due "to Sasuke. Or Naruto", Sakura willing encouraging Naruto right before the written test, Sakura loudly cheering Naruto up when he was batling Kiba, Kakashi remarking the similarities between Naruto and Sakura...

What do you think?

I know I never thought other pairings were a serious possibility. And when I read Sakura deciding she would endeavour treating Naruto better henceforth after stating she hated him, or when I read Konohamaru deducing Sakura was Naruto's girlfriend as she was hurling murderous glares at him, or when Gamakichi stated she was his girlfriend, I though it was blatantly obvious.

Sometimes do you have read again the first volumes and noticed a bunch of moments you had missed out before?

[Mik3]

Even withe risk of bringing the other pairings into this, im gonna sy this.



What has been pretty ironic about the N/H and SS ers is that neither have received any development and so instead they nitpick the relationship between Naruto and Sakura hoping to spin things so it would seem they aren't in love. And NaruSaku is the only pairing that has actually been around each other in part 2. Basically im saying they are hoping for Naruto, Sakura, or both to not be in love with one another, while all we need is for our two to get together. So incredibly simple.


And as far as the Sakura hate is concerned they oughta think about Hinata's attempted self-sacrifice. Sakura saw how she was willing to put her life on the line for Naruto.

And so now she's trying to kill someone she and Naruto cared about, even if she might die herself so she can free Naruto of these burdens she feels she has set upon him. o be doing all of this while knowing he'd probably be against it, well she must really love Naruto to do something like that even though we don't like the prospect of her getting hurt by that maniac Sasuke.

[Gravenimage]

Now Sasuke is the one who changes Sakura to be a better person..
and its "Because SHE LOVES HIM" is better than "EVEN I CAN TELL HE REALLY LOVES YOU."
Here's a post from a NH fan

your reaction guys?

And yet they have been saying that Naruto stopped loving Sakura at 181 that he move on and let her be with Sasuke. They said that Naruto stopped loving Sakura when part 2 started that he and Sakura are just "siblings " that N/S was dead and no chance of happening even with the development Kishi started showing since part 2 started. Then 457 came Naruto saying that he couldn't confess to Sakura because he hasn't fulfill his promise they completely ignored that and they stated saying that the flashback was before Pain's invasion on Konoha or before searching for Sasuke and Itachi.

Sakura has only lied once and that was when four tail Kyuubi Naruto attacked her. She didn't told Naruto the truth with the point that she didn't wanted him to see him hurt or worried. Sakura will be the biggest b**** in the manga if she was lying in her confession but she WASN'T lying Kishi confirmed that she was being honest. Sakura also confirmed that she was being honest "I'm the only one who knows what I'm thinking if you don't like me just said so" "I don't love Sasuke anymore I was crazy to ever love him" "I don't love Sasuke anymore now that he's a criminal"

Of course Sakura knows Naruto too well and she knew he was never going to give up in chasing Sasuke. So why did she confessed to him when she knew perfectly that Naruto wasn't going to change his mind it's still a mystery to me??? I will be laughing my butt off when Kishi shows in his manga that Sakura was being honest in her confession they will have to swallow all of the flaming and bashing they did on her. They will continue to hate and bash Sakura and Kishi will continue to prove them wrong as always.

As for Naruto not believing Sakura's confession like Jiraiya said at the beginning of part 2 "you still don't understand the heart of a woman."

Edited by Gravenimage, 07 February 2010 - 12:52 PM.

[soot-r]

I want to share with you guys what a crazy NH fan said.

"Kishimoto said himself that he likes NaruHina and he wants to put them together (i think he said that in my sisters' SJ mag) so its still a possibility"

I just don't have words for this.

[Jenskott]

I just don't have words for this.

I do it.

No, he did not say it.

[Cloud]

in japan NH is a crack pairing and kish dosent like the fans for bashing sakura

More like the hetero pairings are crack pairings, since the biggest fan pairing is Kakashi x Iruka. And since when did Kishi know about his fans bashing Sakura?

It's not like he gets day to day intel.

[Nate River]

I want to share with you guys what a crazy NH fan said.

"Kishimoto said himself that he likes NaruHina and he wants to put them together (i think he said that in my sisters' SJ mag) so its still a possibility"

I just don't have words for this.

Your response is easy: make them source it!

I know exactly what they'll cite to, if they can cite to anything. It's complete warping of something he said in a American Shounen Jump interview.

It's an argument they've made for years and yet...I'm still waiting for it materialize.

[Gravenimage]

the interview he was upset at the fans of NH

More like he's disappointed at the fandom for hating his heroine since he has been working hard to develop Sakura's character only to get bash and flame by the N/H fans according to the angry fan mail he got. At the same time he's confuse to why they overate and worship Hinata in truth she's just a secondary character who is not important to the main story of the manga. Kishi only focus the most on his main characters not secondary characters so Hinata is out of the equation of the main story.

[ciardha]

Sometimes do you have read again the first volumes and noticed a bunch of moments you had missed out before?

Yep, and that's with knowing for sure in chapter 3 that Kishimoto was going to have Sakura and Naruto end up together. As soon as I saw Sakura acting like a tsundere character in her first scene and Naruto being attracted to her, that plotline was clear as day. But over the years I had forgotten some of the narusaku hint scenes- like how in the Wave Country arc when they are first attacked Sakura tackles Naruto to the ground and protects him with her body. Her first instinct was to protect Naruto.

[Jenskott]

And since when did Kishi know about his fans bashing Sakura?

It's not like he gets day to day intel.

In the last SJ interview he stated he had got letters of Japanese NH fans berating, dissing and bashing Sakura and declaring how much better Hinata was than Sakura and how Naruto and Hinata should get together. He also stated he got shocked at the beginning (because he thought he had depicted Sakura like a honest and determined girl) and slowly grew irritated by those fans going on and on about Hinata.

Nevertheless, he has also said he knows nothing about Naruto fandom overseas, so he doesn't know what Western fans think.

Yep, and that's with knowing for sure in chapter 3 that Kishimoto was going to have Sakura and Naruto end up together. As soon as I saw Sakura acting like a tsundere character in her first scene and Naruto being attracted to her, that plotline was clear as day.

It also seemed very clear to me right on. As soon as I read that scene (Naruto thinking he liked Sakura very much and Sakura shouting to him as soon as she saw him), I figured out they would end up together. It seemed so obvious to me!

But over the years I had forgotten some of the narusaku hint scenes- like how in the Wave Country arc when they are first attacked Sakura tackles Naruto to the ground and protects him with her body. Her first instinct was to protect Naruto.

It is true. I had forgotten about that.