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[Syn11]

This.Exactly this.Thank you for posting this.

The reason is... Sakura has nothing to miss about Sasuke outside of Team 7.

[ns.Believe.It]

@syn11:

 

After my recent rewatch and re-reading of the series, I think Sakura was lonely without Sasuke. But what the SS fans don't get is that she did overestimate her feelings for Sasuke. It was never just Sasuke. What Sakura missed was, more than anything, Team 7 not being complete. 693 further proved this. Maybe she missed Sasuke, but it wasn't nearly as much as she missed Team 7 in general.

 

If you ask me, that further shows Sakura's feelings for Sasuke were never true love. IMO Sakura correlated her feelings for Sasuke in Part 1 to her feeling of happiness with Team 7 and that's what made her think she would be constantly alone without Sasuke. She overlapped Team 7 comradery with being in love with Sasuke. Just another misconception of Part 1 Sakura.

I wish I knew why this is the case. The old Team 7 did not exactly last long for Naruto and Sakura to become this attached to Sasuke. They have gone through a lot more with Sai in the team but he seems to not get the same sort of love from either of them. This makes me disappointed. Sasuke does not deserve their affections but Sai does. He has understood and cared for Naruto and Sakura a lot more than Sasuke ever did.

Edited by ns.Believe.It, 18 October 2014 - 05:52 PM.

[DarkRadeon]

since I found out that the Kishimoto's favorite romantic movie is '500 days of Summer', i think that everything is possible with that one.

How does that movie end?

[lord287]

So you believe the pairing that has had a continuous positive development for 696 chapters cannot be 'justified in any way possible on Earth' while the other two pairings that are nowhere near as developed as NS could somehow work....? 
 
Naruto and Sakura need to have a talk wherein they are open about their feelings. Just one talk about how they feel about each other. This is all that is needed to make NS canon and it WOULD make all the sense in the world. The development between them has been shown, the fact that both of them care about each other has been shown and the beautiful chemistry between the two is obvious to all. All that is needed is a realization and one honest talk between them is enough for this.

Again with the comparing of NS with other pairings. I am very well aware that NS is in a higher ground than NH and SS, but it does not mean that NS happening will make it good. Sakura's unresolved feelings even after all the "developement" is a very big problem in the credibility of NS. First she did a fake confession, then she was thinking about sasuke in 540, then chapter 693, she still loves sasuke which according to kakashi may not be romantic but I want to hear it from sakura.


And we all have realised that kishi is rushing through his manga now & only on that condition I am saying he might make nh and ss canon because it will make more number of people happy. I don't think that even they can be justified in any way but kishi might just do it.

And as far as the talk goes sakura was already told about naruto's feelings by sai and what he got was a fake confession. Also naruto has five everything a guy could do to make a girl start loving him but sakura according to 693 still loves sasuke. Hence my question- if she didn't fall in love with Naruto all these 693 chapters how can she fall in love with him now?

[六道仙人]

How does that movie end?

 

http://en.wikipedia...._of_Summer#Plot

[BlackBird19]

It's funny to see how 693 did exactly the job it was intended to do which was draw out a kitten ton of doubt from the readers. It made everyone focus solely on Sakura's words and not really much else. I mean why would Kishi write Kakashi's observations on her feelings just so he make him look like an idiot who was completely wrong in his assumptions. That really doesn't make any sense.

[KnS]

Okay, for anyone who is still believing that Sakura loves Sasuke romantically, did you miss this?

 

http://www.narusaku....211#entry605211

 

 

Or are you saying it's false?  I can't read Japanese myself, so I am as dependent upon translators as the next person.  However, this appears to be a very compelling argument.

 

It looks to me as if the comparison between the raw text in the two chapters is very clear, and it makes Sakura's feelings in #693 decidedly NOT romantic.

 

Even before this post, I thought the VIz translation had settled the fact that Sakura's words in #693 were NOT romantic....?

 

So why are so many people still saying Sakura loves Sasuke romantically?  Just can't let go of the fear and paranoia?  What?

[Syn11]

Okay, for anyone who is still believing that Sakura loves Sasuke romantically, did you miss this?

 

http://www.narusaku....211#entry605211

 

 

Or are you saying it's false?  I can't read Japanese myself, so I am as dependent upon translators as the next person.  However, this appears to be a very compelling argument.

 

It looks to me as if the comparison between the raw text in the two chapters is very clear, and it makes Sakura's feelings in #693 decidedly NOT romantic.

 

Even before this post, I thought the VIz translation had settled the fact that Sakura's words in #693 were NOT romantic....?

 

So why are so many people still saying Sakura loves Sasuke romantically?  Just can't let go of the fear and paranoia?  What?

So many people confuse pity and love.

[LuckyChi7]

NaruSaku at a Monster Movie Night 

 

 

 

 

 

And Yes I know everyone else is there too, but ya know I wanted to share a fun fan art with you guys. 

[luffyq1]

Again with the comparing of NS with other pairings. I am very well aware that NS is in a higher ground than NH and SS, but it does not mean that NS happening will make it good. Sakura's unresolved feelings even after all the "developement" is a very big problem in the credibility of NS. First she did a fake confession, then she was thinking about sasuke in 540, then chapter 693, she still loves sasuke which according to kakashi may not be romantic but I want to hear it from sakura.


And we all have realised that kishi is rushing through his manga now & only on that condition I am saying he might make nh and ss canon because it will make more number of people happy. I don't think that even they can be justified in any way but kishi might just do it.

And as far as the talk goes sakura was already told about naruto's feelings by sai and what he got was a fake confession. Also naruto has five everything a guy could do to make a girl start loving him but sakura according to 693 still loves sasuke. Hence my question- if she didn't fall in love with Naruto all these 693 chapters how can she fall in love with him now?

she'll get over sasuke in the last chapter or in the movie. I don't know how it'll happen, and i certainly don't care if it does, but ns will be canon in the end. 

[Nostradamus]

OK since some of you are talking about the latest development meaning chapter 693. I feel like I need to step in as well, God knows why.

Here's the real problem with 540 and 693 and whatever moment you want. If you look at them alone and take them as face value. The outcome is "Sakura loves Sasuke. THE END." there's no way around this. However you mustn't take just one particular moment, you have to take in consideration also the rest of the story. Because if you do that than you realize what 540 is and what 693 is.

Now that being said the main problem with 693, is that Sakura saying she loves Sasuke. Of course we later on found out that Sakura meant loving Sasuke as a friend as part of team dysfunctional. Here's the problem we find out from Kakashi. This information doesn't come from Sakura's own mouth. That's why so many people got confused and upset.

 

Because even though we understand that Sakura was referring to caring about that stupid idiotic bond they think they have with Sasuke. It comes from a third party, it doesn't come from her.

If you just look at Sakura's dialog the message is very clear. Sakura loves Sasuke romantically. The end.
 

[BlackBird19]

The thing with 693 that some refuse acknowledge is that it really came off to me as Sakura's final moments with those old feelings for Sasuke. She got mad and released the last of those pent up feelings she's held on to for 4 years. It was one last plea and one last cry for Sasuke and she can be shown as being unburdened of those feelings now. Which would in turn allow her to openly show or reciprocate her love for Naruto.

[FireFox]

 

 

I'm still pretty sure Kishi will deliver when it comes to Sakura loving Naruto completely, even if the way he does it is considered crappy by some fans.

LOL .  Well I hope so  Kishimoto has failed me time and a time again with his ridiculous writing and portrayal of "Bonds" the men doesn't know what a realistic bond is even if it hits him in the head    So there is not much respect left in me for him  there is a tiny shred of hope  and I pray this time he makes it right .  Just to be clear I was speaking about that scenario hypothetically I don't think 693 meant Sakura loving him romantically the follow up by Kakashi and Hagoromo makes this clear what type of love is about  , but this scene is meant to be ambiguous like the rest  so we need to wait on the follow up for this mainly Sakura's awakening  and I really really hope this time Kishi finally clear this kitten up and emphasize the kitten out of Sakura's feelings for Naruto since this is what NS as a main couple lacks the most  no more cut of scenes , parallels and subtle hints  we are way past that .     

[KnS]

This information doesn't come from Sakura's own mouth. That's why so many people got confused and upset.

 

Because even though we understand that Sakura was referring to caring about that stupid idiotic bond they think they have with Sasuke. It comes from a third party, it doesn't come from her.

If you just look at Sakura's dialog the message is very clear. Sakura loves Sasuke romantically. The end.

 

I don't see it.  Maybe we're talking about different parts of Sakura's dialogue?

 

Please look at this again:  http://www.narusaku....211#entry605211

 

It shows Sakura using the exact same words/expression that Kakashi did when describing the Team 7 effort against Kaguya.  Unless the exampe of the raws was photoshopped, it's obvious.  Or unless Kakashi was expressing romantic love for his team's work against an opponent...?

 

So I guess I'm still missing the part where Sakura was clearly (and reliably) translated as saying she still loves Sasuke romantically.  

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

What makes me skeptical about Sakura talking about loving Sasuke as a friend is because of Sakura's background. Now yes, I know Sakura's changed immensely over the series, but she was once in love with Sasuke. Kakashi never had those type of  feelings for anyone of Team 7. 

 

The idea that daisuki was used platonic from Sakura's POV is simply shaky. It can be used romantically or platonically. That's the simple truth. You can't draw a definite conclusion without it being debatable. This is all I've been trying to say to everyone lately.

 

That chapter changed nothing for me. I always thought Sakura still had some type of romantic feelings for Sasuke. I cannot readily believe she meant it platonically because of a chapter like 540. She always looked too sad for me to believe she was only regretting ever loving Sasuke so I find it easy to take 693 as Sakura saying she loves him romantically.

 

The difference is Kakashi's words support platonic love in that chapter and in 675. True. I can agree she  doesn't love Sasuke anymore. But do to say Sakura is aware of it? Do we have any solid proof of that? Something not debatable or done by a 3rd party?

 

I think it should be understood 693 is controversial. No matter what you say about the nature of Sakura's feelings for Sasuke, no one is right and no one is wrong (including me).

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 18 October 2014 - 07:01 PM.

[Akashi]

The thing with 693 that some refuse acknowledge is that it really came off to me as Sakura's final moments with those old feelings for Sasuke. She got mad and released the last of those pent up feelings she's held on to for 4 years. It was one last plea and one last cry for Sasuke and she can be shown as being unburdened of those feelings now. Which would in turn allow her to openly show or reciprocate her love for Naruto.

Exactly. That's the feeling I got after reading 693.

Everyone wanted SS closure, well.. they got it. The funny thing is how people tend to forget all those little moments/NS interactions Kishi's been putting here and there in the last 50+ something chapters.. they not only imply that NS is in fact the endgame, their main purpose is to make sure that when NaruSaku finally becomes canon, it will not look half-assed or rushed.

The moment Minato confirmed that Sakura indeed resembles Kushina it became clear that NS will eventually become canon. Events that follow only confirm that..

[Iwantbuns]

Sakura's feelings are so confusing xD Kishi just loves to constantly make us wonder...

[咲耶姫]

 

I don't see it.  Maybe we're talking about different parts of Sakura's dialogue?

 

Please look at this again:  http://www.narusaku....211#entry605211

 

It shows Sakura using the exact same words/expression that Kakashi did when describing the Team 7 effort against Kaguya.  Unless the exampe of the raws was photoshopped, it's obvious.  Or unless Kakashi was expressing romantic love for his team's work against an opponent...?

 

So I guess I'm still missing the part where Sakura was clearly (and reliably) translated as saying she still loves Sasuke romantically.  

Sorry but that argument of the same word used by Kakashi is really ridiculous. Of course they use the same word, what would you expect Kakashi to say except daisuki to say he loves Team 7? Really, if you want to prove Sakura doesn't speak romantically, use somehting else than japanese language and raw because it doesn't prove anything. Daisuki can be used both romantically (especially romantically when it's a girl talking about a boy or a boy talking about a girl) and platonically when it's not about romantic love. 

I repeat for the last time, japanese raw doesn't prove that Sakura talks platonically, it's context that tell me she talks romantically, as someone already pointed out, her attitude towards Sasuke since the fight against Kaguya hints that she still have some feelings (decreasing and negative but still there). 

Edited by 咲耶姫, 18 October 2014 - 07:21 PM.

[ns.Believe.It]

Again with the comparing of NS with other pairings. I am very well aware that NS is in a higher ground than NH and SS, 

I compared it because you keep saying NS won't be believable. If that's the case NH/SS would only be much more worse.

 

 

 

but it does not mean that NS happening will make it good. Sakura's unresolved feelings even after all the "developement" is a very big problem in the credibility of NS.

Why won't it be good? Sakura's feelings being resolved is the final step. Like I said in my previous post, NS already has development, it has good chemistry and it has already been shown that Naruto and Sakura are willing to do anything to for the other's happiness. Realization is the only thing remaining. 

 

Can you tell me something? How would a final chapter resolution negate everything that has happened in the previous chapters? Why do a few unsure moments take away every good moment ?

 

NS will always be credible because it is the pairing that has had the most positive development in this manga. 

 

 

 

First she did a fake confession, then she was thinking about sasuke in 540, then chapter 693, she still loves sasuke which according to kakashi may not be romantic but I want to hear it from sakura. 

Yes, I want to hear it from Sakura too and I'm sure we will hear it very soon. 

 

Regarding the confession, 540, 693 -- there are multiple interpretations possible. However looking at the over-all story, there is a better probability of NS interpretation being the correct one.

 

 

 

And we all have realised that kishi is rushing through his manga now & only on that condition I am saying he might make nh and ss canon because it will make more number of people happy. I don't think that even they can be justified in any way but kishi might just do it.

You are questioning his integrity as a writer. Please have a little more respect for the guy who created the characters whom you have become so attached to. I am pretty sure he cares about his characters more than everyone of us combined ! 

 

More number of people happy? If he let those things affect his judgement, we would not have gotten so much NS development in the manga and neither would we have gotten a NS-centered movie in RtN. 

 

 

 

And as far as the talk goes sakura was already told about naruto's feelings by sai and what he got was a fake confession. 

Talking about love with a third person isn't the same. When the two people involved are the ones who are looking in the eye and talking to each other about their feelings, its easier and more meaningful. 

 

 

 

Also naruto has five everything a guy could do to make a girl start loving him but sakura according to 693 still loves sasuke. Hence my question- if she didn't fall in love with Naruto all these 693 chapters how can she fall in love with him now?

Does she still love Sasuke? I'm not too sure. 

Has she not fallen in love with Naruto yet? I think she has long since been in love with Naruto.

 

You only need to compare her body-language and her expressions when she is around Naruto and when Sasuke is around. You can clearly see who it is that she is really fond of, who it is that her heart truly loves. 

[KnS]

You can't draw a definite conclusion without it being debatable. 

 

Which is likely the exact effect Kishimoto wanted.  He has admitted to writing things in a way so as to confuse and blur, so I agree it's probably what he was doing here.

 

I guess for me, the difference lies in the fact that I don't believe Kishimoto's intentions went beyond a hope of creating suspense or adding drama.  I don't believe he intended to cement Sakura's feelings for Sasuke with #693.  I believe he is in the process of revealing the final transition of her feelings from romantic/stuck in the past to a more realistic kind of caring for Sasuke.

 

The problem with constantly arguing that Sakura still loves Sasuke -- because there is some chance that the dialogue or context could mean that -- is to ignore the mountain of evidence in the story that points to the contrary.  

 

Not to mention that harping on "Sakura still loves Sasuke" as if it is 100% inarguable truth scares the crap out of some people, and divides the community here.  

 

There is so much negativity, bull-headedness, and good, old-fashioned panic around here these days that I'm simply seeking some calm and logical balance.