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[tonga1]

 

That's not how it went. I can translate it wird to word if you wish to:
 

From Gutsy Ninja, Page 192:

Shu listened to her patiently, without interrupting her once.

"I have no idea what happened with Renge in the end. I just wanted to save him no matter what. But the fact is that the mountain Hyatsuki is on it's way towards us."

"You like Renge very much, right?"

"What?"

"Come on, you can tell me."

Tsuyu nodded ashamed/shamefaced.

"I can't teach the three brave ninjas of Shuku anything anymore. But I can tell you(in German "euch", by which he means all three of them) one more thing."

"Sensei..."
"Listen to me, Tsuyu. Remember this: There is a bad/evil spirit that lives in every human being. The name of this evil/bad spirit is: Ideology." Shu explained.

"Ideology?"

"The bad/evil spirit, that lives in Naruto, you and me, is the thought to potect Shuku no matter what."

"Yes, I somehow understand what you want to say with that Sensei."

"And in Renge lives another kind of bad/evil spirit"

"Yes"

"But which on is right no one can tell."

"What are we suppose to do then?" Tsuyu asked.

"I'll explain what you can do if you don't know what to do next."

Tsuyu nodded.

"Listen carefully Tsuyu. If you don't know what to do next, then imagine the most beautiful and happiest future you can think of.

"The happiest future?"

"Then you will find to yourself again and understand, who you really are."

"I..."

"Close your eyes"

Tsuyu did as she was told.

"What do you see? Concentrate!"

Tsuyu could see Naruto. He was and idiot, a stupid pervert, a complete moron, reckless, but still an endearing/likeable die-hard, (German word is "Starrkopf, I don't know how to translate that correct so I used dict.) who you can't be angry for too long. She met Naruto when she was six. He welcomed her with this words: "Good day, my name is Naruto. You can write a love-letter to me later. Let's do our best!"

But Tsuyu was only interested in the boy, that stand next to Naruto: Renge.

"Tsuyu" a voice called out of nowhere. "You(In German "Ihr", so it means all three again) may have failed your mission, but there is still something you(again all three of them) can do."

Tsuyu opened her eyes and shouted: "Sensei, you have to evacuate the people of the village. I will go to Naruto the fatest way!"

 

 

What I bolded is important, as this isn't making Naruto look as the silver medal. Tsuyu choosed Naruto because he is making her the happiest, not Renge. She chosed Naruto before Renge, not because she cant get with Renge.

 

@天地長久  

There are some passages and situation in the book that happened in a similiar way in the manga, like the question of a Sensei asking one of his students if they like one spezific person (Minato did that to Obito and Sai did it similiar to Naruto). It's not far fetched to believe Kishi would do the ending similiar, just not open ended. 

that is not romantic is just......friendship

[narusaku256]

that is not romantic is just......friendship

What?

[Naruko]

with Kishi and girls emotions he tries to make their hearts very changeable. If you truly love someone you only love that person, and no one else and it doesn't change your love only grows stronger. They way he portrays women is ridiculous in my eyes, she should love Naruto only.

 

Why can't girls' hearts be changeable? Seriously, how many girls do you know that married the first guy they loved? Why can't someone truly love one and then truly love another? Kishi making girls' hearts changeable only makes him less Disney like and that's good, realistic. If Sakura loved only Naruto from the beginning, NS essence would surely be different and all the "slowly starting to love as they grow up together" idea would be lost. The way he portrays women is ridiculous for the opposite of what you are saying. He makes them too focused on their first crushes and that makes them look immature. God, his writing would be so much better if Hinata had already moved on from Naruto and Sakura from Sasuke... 

[FreakySandra1995]

that is not romantic is just......friendship

Don't be stupid. If that's "only" friendship, than she could think the same about everyone else. Naruto is the person Tsuyu cared about the most, more about Renge. She definelty feels more than friendsship for Naruto. 

There is another scene in the book that adresses hidden feelings Tsuyu have for Naruto.

Gutsy Ninja, P. 81

"Oy, that hurt! You old hag!" Naruto whined and blood flooded from his nose.

"If you continue to do that, men will most likely run away from you!"
"You pervert!"
"Gorilla-women!"

"What was that?!"

"Oh, you want to see naked women?" Shima interupted.

Tsuyu replied: "This is all what he can think of. His chakra is half made of megahorny energy."

"Yes, I like to see them!"

Suddely Shima opened her Kimino, so that is was able to see her naked breasts/boobs.

"Look." she said. Naruto and Tsuyu looked at the breast/boobs dumbfounded.

"Naruto, if you want I can show you more." Shima promised.

"Ahhhhhh...." Naruto screamed. The blood flowed through his nose like a fountain and he collapsed.

"But Shima..." Tsuyu tried hastily to correct Shima's clothes.

"Are you in love with him or what?" Shima asked unexpected and reveald herself again, as if to confirm her assumption/guess (Of Tsuyu being in love with Naruto). "Well, do you like it?"

Now Tsuyu's nose started to bleed too and blood and tears ran down her face. She looked at Naruto spechless, who shook his head and and shouted "I think I'm dying!"
"Well, now you're mine." Shima triumphed. 

"What was that?" Naruto asked.

"I said, you're now mine, Naruto."

"No, no, no!" Tsuyu shouted and waved her hand around.

"Shima, did you listen to me? Naruto is not like you think he is! He just always think about the one thing."

"And you're sure that you're not in love with Naruto?"

"Yeah, I'm sure."

"But didn't you two just teased yourself the whole time?"

"Surely not! Tsuyu denied unmistakably. "Really not."
"I don't believe you"

"But I just told you." Tsuyu replied.

"Naruto, please be mine!"

"Naruto." Tsuyu said hasily. "Don't get stupid ideas. She's just 16."

"Yeah, but for my age I'm way more better build then you" Shima said provokely. 

[FireFox]

@NarutoFireFoxUzumaki

 

What are you talking about? In the Gutsy Ninja novel the girl realized that Naruto is the one she loves by doing what the sensei told her: close her eye and imagine what brings you the most happiness.

 

Not to mention that the other girl kept teasing her about liking Naruto.

 

You don't romantically love one guy and have another one be who bring you the most happiness. Do you realize how retarded that sounds?

The bolded : Tell that to freaking Kishimoto since he seems to think otherwise this is the guy who wrote that "Love doesn't need a reason"    . Instead to debunk her ridiculous feelings he made them appear stronger then ever when there is no effing reason for it  .

 

The problem that I was saying is that  there was no resolution to the girl feelings for the other guy instead it was told before that she loves that guy "very much" that's kitten writing 101 right there  you just don't confirm her feelings in order to shift it the very next second  there is no indication that she ever stopped loving him . You first resolve those feelings then you make the realization and shifting to the other guy its how its done in most romance .

 

we are so confident that Kishimoto will make the final of the manga similar to that OVA's or the story of the gutsy ninja?

Personally no I'm not 100% confident  but he did put elements/scenes in this past chapter from RTN and the OVA  but I'm not to much confident since this author always finds a way to screw himself up and contradict himself  sign

 

 

That's not how it went. I can translate it wird to word if you wish to:
 

From Gutsy Ninja, Page 192:

Shu listened to her patiently, without interrupting her once.

"I have no idea what happened with Renge in the end. I just wanted to save him no matter what. But the fact is that the mountain Hyatsuki is on it's way towards us."

"You like Renge very much, right?"

"What?"

"Come on, you can tell me."

Tsuyu nodded ashamed/shamefaced.

"I can't teach the three brave ninjas of Shuku anything anymore. But I can tell you(in German "euch", by which he means all three of them) one more thing."

"Sensei..."
"Listen to me, Tsuyu. Remember this: There is a bad/evil spirit that lives in every human being. The name of this evil/bad spirit is: Ideology." Shu explained.

"Ideology?"

"The bad/evil spirit, that lives in Naruto, you and me, is the thought to potect Shuku no matter what."

"Yes, I somehow understand what you want to say with that Sensei."

"And in Renge lives another kind of bad/evil spirit"

"Yes"

"But which on is right no one can tell."

"What are we suppose to do then?" Tsuyu asked.

"I'll explain what you can do if you don't know what to do next."

Tsuyu nodded.

"Listen carefully Tsuyu. If you don't know what to do next, then imagine the most beautiful and happiest future you can think of.

"The happiest future?"

"Then you will find to yourself again and understand, who you really are."

"I..."

"Close your eyes"

Tsuyu did as she was told.

"What do you see? Concentrate!"

Tsuyu could see Naruto. He was and idiot, a stupid pervert, a complete moron, reckless, but still an endearing/likeable die-hard, (German word is "Starrkopf, I don't know how to translate that correct so I used dict.) who you can't be angry for too long. She met Naruto when she was six. He welcomed her with this words: "Good day, my name is Naruto. You can write a love-letter to me later. Let's do our best!"

But Tsuyu was only interested in the boy, that stand next to Naruto: Renge.

"Tsuyu" a voice called out of nowhere. "You(In German "Ihr", so it means all three again) may have failed your mission, but there is still something you(again all three of them) can do."

Tsuyu opened her eyes and shouted: "Sensei, you have to evacuate the people of the village. I will go to Naruto the fatest way!"

 

 

What I bolded is important, as this isn't making Naruto look as the silver medal. Tsuyu choosed Naruto because he is making her the happiest, not Renge. She chosed Naruto before Renge, not because she cant get with Renge.

 

@天地長久  

There are some passages and situation in the book that happened in a similiar way in the manga, like the question of a Sensei asking one of his students if they like one spezific person (Minato did that to Obito and Sai did it similiar to Naruto). It's not far fetched to believe Kishi would do the ending similiar, just not open ended. 

This makes things more clear and its done more simple in here , but that is not the case with the manga its different its not exact same scenario  you have to take the events that occurred  things are more complicated bc of 693  . 

 

 

But according to this kind of logic, anyone who is the second or later love in a person's life is a pathetic silver medal.  It seems to assume that in some cases, at least, a first love is somehow stronger or more pure, that it's never wrong, that it can never be overcome or eclipsed.  

 

What I don't get is why some people are still harping on Sakura's feelings for Sasuke.  It's been made pretty clear that she loves him deeply.  As a first romantic love?  Yes, but it's a love that has been changed over time, and that she now feels about differently.  

 

Sakura still loves Sasuke as a person, friend, teammate, and person dear to Naruto.  But the romantic feelings she had for him are something she recognizes as part of how her current feelings were shaped, but that doesn't mean she continues to love Sasuke in a romantic way.

 

I think it's really unfair to judge whatever relationship Naruto and Sakura have going forward as somehow second rate or less powerful simply because she had feelings for Sasuke and they didn't work out.  

 

Sakura definitely needed to grow up, needed to learn the real meaning of love and commitment, and needed to understand herself.  The way to look at it is, if she hadn't loved the wrong guy first (Sasuke) she might not have become a girl who is wise enough and strong enough to choose the right man the next time (Naruto).

 

Just my opinion.

 

I don't agree with this at all.  NS is no less justifiable than any other pairing, and is in fact more so based on a number of factors that cannot be claimed by the other pairings.

 

And SS and NH being the biggest fandoms and will therefore win by sheer numbers?  That's a pretty ridiculous assumption, especially considering the way the story has been written.

That is not what I meant and not the logic I used  you misunderstand me in here . I'm well aware that having first love doesn't meant that the guy after that will always be a rebound  , I've been in a quite a few relationships to know that that's not the case . The difference with those relationships and what I was explaining is that  the girl doesn't remain still in love with the first guy or holds romantic feelings for him she moves on completely . While in here Sakura still loves Sasuke romantically but she will move on to Naruto  there is no resolution to her feelings for Sasuke  it doesn't seem right  for NS to go canon like this .

 

Now the thing with 693 by what the translators said is that she still loves Sasuke romantically the love didn't change , there was no Sakura loves him as a friend,teammate or whatever  this is the problem . Sakura's romantic feelings for Sasuke are being exposed way to much and are justified by this insane author while her feelings for Naruto are hold back and only hinted for 700 chapters  so visually it makes her feelings for Sasuke to come as much more stronger then the ones she harbors for Naruto  its unappealing  also when you take into consideration that she said "I Love you to Sasuke" in front of Naruto while she was being aware of Naruto's feelings for her . Seriously if this is the case with 693 (though I like to think otherwise) then this is disgusting and the whole romance is killed/butchered  and its unappealing  not to mention in this case it would make zero sense for Naruto to confess or to believe that Sakura somehow loves him and not Sasuke , he already was insecure and rejected her in her confession bc of that  now it would make no sense for him to accept her  Sakura has to prove that to him and well we don't have the time for it to happen . 

 

Mind you that I'm going just by the interpretation that she meant I love you in romantic way its not my definitive opinion I'll still wait for the follow up to see how this will be resolved  bc this chapter contradicts allot of things and makes the romance unappealing  for every parring 

[redragon88]

Kishimoto himself made it clear with his databooks that Sakura is by no way happy with the way she is feeling. I'm sure she really don't want to love Sasuke , but she simply can't stop that, and that's not a bad thing. Her desire is not to be together romantically with him although she loves him in that way. Such a "tragic" love happens all the time in storys. 
In the Gutsy ninja it's emphazized as well. Shu just asked Tsuyu if she likes/loves Renge (I'm not quite sure if it's really just like, because the German translation is sometimes very wary with the use of "love".) and after Shu's advice she sees that Naruto is the men that makes her the happiest, although she never says that she doesn't love Renge anymore. So why shouldn't it happen in the main story? Kishi showed that he is capable to make someone feel that way. 

 

I think her realization about Naruto would lead her to also know that her love for Renge isn't that as romantic as she thought it was. At least not when compared to Naruto.

 

This wouldn't be the first story that makes someone realize that the love one feels for another has become gone from romantic to familiar.

[redragon88]

This makes things more clear and its done more simple in here , but that is not the case with the manga its different its not exact same scenario  you have to take the events that occurred  things are more complicated bc of 693  .

 

How?

[narusaku256]

 
I think her realization about Naruto would lead her to also know that her love for Renge isn't that as romantic as she thought it was. At least not when compared to Naruto.
 
This wouldn't be the first story that makes someone realize that the love one feels for another has become gone from romantic to familiar.

THIS EXACTLY!

[FreakySandra1995]

 

I think her realization about Naruto would lead her to also know that her love for Renge isn't that as romantic as she thought it was. At least not when compared to Naruto.

 

This wouldn't be the first story that makes someone realize that the love one feels for another has become gone from romantic to familiar.

 

Yeah, that could be. No matter what, Naruto is her priority, the one she choosed.2

[FireFox]

Kishimoto himself made it clear with his databooks that Sakura is by no way happy with the way she is feeling. I'm sure she really don't want to love Sasuke , but she simply can't stop that, and that's not a bad thing. Her desire is not to be together romantically with him although she loves him in that way. Such a "tragic" love happens all the time in storys. 
In the Gutsy ninja it's emphazized as well. Shu just asked Tsuyu if she likes/loves Renge (I'm not quite sure if it's really just like, because the German translation is sometimes very wary with the use of "love".) and after Shu's advice she sees that Naruto is the men that makes her the happiest, although she never says that she doesn't love Renge anymore. So why shouldn't it happen in the main story? Kishi showed that he is capable to make someone feel that way. 

Its not bad are you serious ? Why make NS then ? It implies she loves Sasuke more its ridiculous . And this is supposed to be appealing romance  or makes NS as such ? You do realize that this implies that no matter what her love for Sasuke is so strong that she can't get rid of and love him forever even if it doesn't make her happy and yet she ends up with Naruto ? I'm sure Naruto would especially love this   or the fans would find this appealing. It shouldn't happen bc its ridiculous its sh*tty romance  I would rather Naruto end up alone if this is the case  .

 

 

How?

How it is not ? Did you even read what I wrote or just ignore it ? My explanation is in the same post .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 18 October 2014 - 01:13 PM.

[redragon88]

How it is not ? Did you even read what I wrote or just ignore it ? My explanation is in the same post .

 

You said that it's more complicated when compared to Gutsy Ninja but the situations are the same. Tsuyu was still thinking that she was in love with Renge just like Sakura thinks that she loves Sasuke.

 

You're saying that it's more complicated but it's the same. You aren't showing anything that proves that Tsuyu and Sakura are experiencing different feelings.

[FreakySandra1995]

Its not bad are you serious ? Why make NS then ? It implies she loves Sasuke more its ridiculous . And this is supposed to be appealing romance  or makes NS as such ? You do realize that this implies that no matter what her love for Sasuke is so strong that she can't get rid of and love him forever even if it doesn't make her happy and yet she ends up with Naruto ? I'm sure Naruto would especially love this   or the fans would find this appealing. It shouldn't happen bc its ridiculous its sh*tty romance  I would rather Naruto end up alone if this is the case  .

 

How it is not ? Did you even read what I wrote or just ignore it ? My explanation is in the same post .

 

It's not bad as long as she still choses Naruto over Sasuke. 

[FireFox]

 

You said that it's more complicated when compared to Gutsy Ninja but the situations are the same. Tsuyu was still thinking that she was in love with Renge just like Sakura thinks that she loves Sasuke.

 

You're saying that it's more complicated but it's the same. You aren't showing anything that proves that Tsuyu and Sakura are experiencing different feelings.

Oh brother , Look the ending still implies that she loves Renge or Sasuke  and that love has been emphasized more the hers for Naruto since she comes to realize she has feelings in the end visually it doesn't make her love for Naruto stronger    there is no resolution to it  for crying out loud how can you even consider this good ? It worse bc Sakura said I love you to Sasuke in front of Naruto and was justified and you just ignore this . Not to mention after everything she still loves Sasuke  how is this good for NS  I ask you again ? Its the most BS writing ever   Sakura still loves Sasuke so much but ends with Naruto  you really don't see anything wrong with this ? 

[redragon88]

Oh brother , Look the ending still implies that she loves Renge or Sasuke  and that love has been emphasized more the hers for Naruto since she comes to realize she has feelings in the end visually it doesn't make her love for Naruto stronger    there is no resolution to it  for crying out loud how can you even consider this good ? It worse bc Sakura said I love you to Sasuke in front of Naruto and was justified and you just ignore this . Not to mention after everything she still loves Sasuke  how is this good for NS  I ask you again ? Its the most BS writing ever   Sakura still loves Sasuke so much but ends with Naruto  you really don't see anything wrong with this ? 

 

The point of her thinking about Naruto was to show that he's the one she truly loves.

 

But I won't argue about it anymore. It's clear you just want to see things in a negative way.

Edited by redragon88, 18 October 2014 - 01:34 PM.

[FireFox]

 

It's not bad as long as she still choses Naruto over Sasuke. 

Wow really ? While loving Sasuke more and being emphasized for 700 chapters  such a beautiful romance for NS .  Its great for a guy to know that the girl he is with and loves also loves a another guy   . To me its just an excuse for NS happening for the sake of happening even if its unappealing , choosing someone has nothing to with who you love more or how it is presented . As a NS fan I wouldn't want that or consider it good ending at all . 

[redragon88]

I find it hilarious that people actually think that Naruto would accept Sakura if she still felt romantic feelings for Sasuke.

 

As if the Kage arc didn't make it perfectly clear that he wouldn't like that at all.

 

Edit:

Sorry, wrote would instead of wouldn't.   Epic fail.

Edited by redragon88, 18 October 2014 - 01:39 PM.

[FreakySandra1995]

Wow really ? While loving Sasuke more and being emphasized for 700 chapters  such a beautiful romance for NS .  Its great for a guy to know that the girl he is with and loves also loves a another guy   . To me its just an excuse for NS happening for the sake of happening even if its unappealing , choosing someone has nothing to with who you love more or how it is presented . As a NS fan I wouldn't want that or consider it good ending at all . 

 

Do you even listen?!  If Sakura choses Naruto OVER Sasuke, it means she loves Naruto MORE. That's what I mean, and that's also what Tsuyu did with Naruto. But if you fail to see that, than for you there won't be an exactable ending, Mr. Negative. 

[NarutoFan0304]

Wow really ? While loving Sasuke more and being emphasized for 700 chapters  such a beautiful romance for NS .  Its great for a guy to know that the girl he is with and loves also loves a another guy   . To me its just an excuse for NS happening for the sake of happening even if its unappealing , choosing someone has nothing to with who you love more or how it is presented . As a NS fan I wouldn't want that or consider it good ending at all . 

So we're just supposed to ignore that Kakashi and Hagoromo imply that she loves him like family and not romantically?
-Sasuke views it as romantic and rejects her.
-Kakashi corrects him saying "Sakura's not trying or wanting to make you hers! She only wants to save you!".
-Sasuke understands and thinks of his brother and parents.
-Hagoromo gives a speech about family love.
693 wasn't a negative chapter for NS like you're implying. It confirmed that neither Sakura or Sasuke have any desire to be with each other, and Kishi even had Naruto bring up the POAL to set up for NS.

[FireFox]

 

The point of her thinking about Naruto was to show that he's the one she truly loves.

 

But I won't argue about it anymore. It's clear you just want to see things things in a negative way.

LOL really ? I'm arguing from the point of how badly written this would be if it goes that way bc there is no resolution  . I want a good ending for NS with Sakura's ridiculous feelings for Sasuke being resolved not a halfassed one where there are implications that she still harbors romantic feelings for him .   

 

I can say the same thing about you , you clearly tend to ignore the implications of such scenario and don't take Naruto's feelings into account  but as you wish . 

[redragon88]

LOL really ? I'm arguing from the point of how badly written this would be if it goes that way bc there is no resolution  . I want a good ending for NS with Sakura's ridiculous feelings for Sasuke being resolved not a halfassed one where there are implications that she still harbors romantic feelings for him .   

 

I can say the same thing about you , you clearly tend to ignore the implications of such scenario and don't take Naruto's feelings into account  but as you wish . 

 

Kage arc nullifies your argument.