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[redragon88]

not but i find very odd that kishimoto spoiler via novel the final of the manga... it would be recurring...

 

What do you mean? Kishi has spoiled like that before?

[narusaku256]

There sure are ways in which NS can be convincingly made...

[六道仙人]

 

What do you mean? Kishi has spoiled like that before?

 

i mean... even though the novel wasn't written by him but in collaboration with someone, why he should use the same trick in the manga too? I mean: The two main rivals are fighting -> The love interest is worried and she admits she loves the dark guy -> The sensei suggests her to close her eyes and understand who she is really in love with -> She decides to help the main character.

 

I mean, this story has been already used for the guys ninja, use it again for the manga would be only recurring...

[lord287]

I still don't understand why do people are clinging for a Gutsy Ninja ending for NS  when the ending is pure kitten . Do you guys really consider that a victory  when the girl's romantic feelings are being more emphasized for Renge (Sasuke) but ends with Naruto just bc she couldn't save/have the other guy ? As much as I hate the silver medal argument but this scenario makes it exactly like that . 

 

I mean look at it like this Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are brought time and a time again as the strongest kitten ever (when there is no reason for it to even grow  ) while for Naruto's always hidden and bc of that her feelings visually are shown as stronger for Sasuke then are for Naruto  the image for NS doesn't look convincing or good  its sh**ting on the paring and make it seem halfassed bc of the visual aspect . Its like NS happened for the sake of happening Naruto's confession doesn't solve the problem . 

 

Having Sakura end up with Naruto but still having romantic feelings for Sasuke is not a good ending its unappealing  no one is gonna look at it as good or admire at it . You have to make Sakura realize that she never loved the real Sasuke but only an image of him in order for this to work  and emphasize more on her feelings for Naruto  and also for Sakura to prove to Naruto that she really loves him and only him which is what I'm hopping this kitten of an author does in the end . 

I was srsly started to believe that Sakura has moved on from Sasuke but then fake confession, chapter 540 and chapter 693 happened. Now I won't be surprised if kishi makes NH and SS canon in the movie(I am 200% sure pairings won't be resolved in the manga), because it seems that kishi just wants to rush his manga to the end now, and what better way to do a rushed ending other than giving atleast the larger fandom what they want.(SS and NH combined and maybe individually as well are more popular according to some rankings I saw somewhere.)

NS happening can't be jsutified in any way possible on earth.

 

There sure are ways in which NS can be convincingly made...

Will you like to try telling how you think it will be in a liitle detail?

[FreakySandra1995]

I still don't understand why do people are clinging for a Gutsy Ninja ending for NS  when the ending is pure kitten . Do you guys really consider that a victory  when the girl's romantic feelings are being more emphasized for Renge (Sasuke) but ends with Naruto just bc she couldn't save/have the other guy ? As much as I hate the silver medal argument but this scenario makes it exactly like that . 

 

I mean look at it like this Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are brought time and a time again as the strongest kitten ever (when there is no reason for it to even grow  ) while for Naruto's always hidden and bc of that her feelings visually are shown as stronger for Sasuke then are for Naruto  the image for NS doesn't look convincing or good  its sh**ting on the paring and make it seem halfassed bc of the visual aspect . Its like NS happened for the sake of happening Naruto's confession doesn't solve the problem . 

 

Having Sakura end up with Naruto but still having romantic feelings for Sasuke is not a good ending its unappealing  no one is gonna look at it as good or admire at it . You have to make Sakura realize that she never loved the real Sasuke but only an image of him in order for this to work  and emphasize more on her feelings for Naruto  and also for Sakura to prove to Naruto that she really loves him and only him which is what I'm hopping this kitten of an author does in the end . 

 

That's not how it went. I can translate it wird to word if you wish to:
 

From Gutsy Ninja, Page 192:

Shu listened to her patiently, without interrupting her once.

"I have no idea what happened with Renge in the end. I just wanted to save him no matter what. But the fact is that the mountain Hyatsuki is on it's way towards us."

"You like Renge very much, right?"

"What?"

"Come on, you can tell me."

Tsuyu nodded ashamed/shamefaced.

"I can't teach the three brave ninjas of Shuku anything anymore. But I can tell you(in German "euch", by which he means all three of them) one more thing."

"Sensei..."
"Listen to me, Tsuyu. Remember this: There is a bad/evil spirit that lives in every human being. The name of this evil/bad spirit is: Ideology." Shu explained.

"Ideology?"

"The bad/evil spirit, that lives in Naruto, you and me, is the thought to potect Shuku no matter what."

"Yes, I somehow understand what you want to say with that Sensei."

"And in Renge lives another kind of bad/evil spirit"

"Yes"

"But which on is right no one can tell."

"What are we suppose to do then?" Tsuyu asked.

"I'll explain what you can do if you don't know what to do next."

Tsuyu nodded.

"Listen carefully Tsuyu. If you don't know what to do next, then imagine the most beautiful and happiest future you can think of.

"The happiest future?"

"Then you will find to yourself again and understand, who you really are."

"I..."

"Close your eyes"

Tsuyu did as she was told.

"What do you see? Concentrate!"

Tsuyu could see Naruto. He was and idiot, a stupid pervert, a complete moron, reckless, but still an endearing/likeable die-hard, (German word is "Starrkopf, I don't know how to translate that correct so I used dict.) who you can't be angry for too long. She met Naruto when she was six. He welcomed her with this words: "Good day, my name is Naruto. You can write a love-letter to me later. Let's do our best!"

But Tsuyu was only interested in the boy, that stand next to Naruto: Renge.

"Tsuyu" a voice called out of nowhere. "You(In German "Ihr", so it means all three again) may have failed your mission, but there is still something you(again all three of them) can do."

Tsuyu opened her eyes and shouted: "Sensei, you have to evacuate the people of the village. I will go to Naruto the fatest way!"

 

 

What I bolded is important, as this isn't making Naruto look as the silver medal. Tsuyu choosed Naruto because he is making her the happiest, not Renge. She chosed Naruto before Renge, not because she cant get with Renge.

 

@天地長久  

There are some passages and situation in the book that happened in a similiar way in the manga, like the question of a Sensei asking one of his students if they like one spezific person (Minato did that to Obito and Sai did it similiar to Naruto). It's not far fetched to believe Kishi would do the ending similiar, just not open ended. 

Edited by FreakySandra1995, 18 October 2014 - 11:30 AM.

[KnS]

Do you guys really consider that a victory  when the girl's romantic feelings are being more emphasized for Renge (Sasuke) but ends with Naruto just bc she couldn't save/have the other guy ? As much as I hate the silver medal argument but this scenario makes it exactly like that . 

 

But according to this kind of logic, anyone who is the second or later love in a person's life is a pathetic silver medal.  It seems to assume that in some cases, at least, a first love is somehow stronger or more pure, that it's never wrong, that it can never be overcome or eclipsed.  

 

What I don't get is why some people are still harping on Sakura's feelings for Sasuke.  It's been made pretty clear that she loves him deeply.  As a first romantic love?  Yes, but it's a love that has been changed over time, and that she now feels about differently.  

 

Sakura still loves Sasuke as a person, friend, teammate, and person dear to Naruto.  But the romantic feelings she had for him are something she recognizes as part of how her current feelings were shaped, but that doesn't mean she continues to love Sasuke in a romantic way.

 

I think it's really unfair to judge whatever relationship Naruto and Sakura have going forward as somehow second rate or less powerful simply because she had feelings for Sasuke and they didn't work out.  

 

Sakura definitely needed to grow up, needed to learn the real meaning of love and commitment, and needed to understand herself.  The way to look at it is, if she hadn't loved the wrong guy first (Sasuke) she might not have become a girl who is wise enough and strong enough to choose the right man the next time (Naruto).

 

Just my opinion.

NS happening can't be jsutified in any way possible on earth.

 

I don't agree with this at all.  NS is no less justifiable than any other pairing, and is in fact more so based on a number of factors that cannot be claimed by the other pairings.

 

And SS and NH being the biggest fandoms and will therefore win by sheer numbers?  That's a pretty ridiculous assumption, especially considering the way the story has been written.

[redragon88]

 

i mean... even though the novel wasn't written by him but in collaboration with someone, why he should use the same trick in the manga too? I mean: The two main rivals are fighting -> The love interest is worried and she admits she loves the dark guy -> The sensei suggests her to close her eyes and understand who she is really in love with -> She decides to help the main character.

 

I mean, this story has been already used for the guys ninja, use it again for the manga would be only recurring...

 

You're right. I guess if Kishi did use such a scenario the new thing would be to see the conclusion of that conflict since the novel has an open end. We don't see the girl reach Naruto to tell him how she feels and we don't see the rival become good.

 

We'll see the conclusion that was denied to the readers in the novel through the use of the original characters. At least if Kishi does go that route. I could be wrong, so we'll just have to see.

[abloublou]

 

That's not how it went. I can translate it wird to word if you wish to:
 

From Gutsy Ninja, Page 192:

Shu listened to her patiently, without interrupting her once.

"I have no idea what happened with Renge in the end. I just wanted to save him no matter what. But the fact is that the mountain Hyatsuki is on it's way towards us."

"You like Renge very much, right?"

"What?"

"Come on, you can tell me."

Tsuyu nodded ashamed/shamefaced.

"I can't teach the three brave ninjas of Shuku anything anymore. But I can tell you(in German "euch", by which he means all three of them) one more thing."

"Sensei..."
"Listen to me, Tsuyu. Remember this: There is a bad/evil spirit that lives in every human being. The name of this evil/bad spirit is: Ideology." She explained.

"Ideology?"

"The bad/evil spirit, that lives in Naruto, you and me, is the thought to potect Shuku no matter what."

"Yes, I somehow understand what you want to say with that Sensei."

"And in Renge lives another kind of bad/evil spirit"

"Yes"

"But which on is right no one can tell."

"What are we suppose to do then?" Tsuyu asked.

"I'll explain what you can do if you don't know what to do next."

Tsuyu nodded.

"Listen carefully Tsuyu. If you don't know what to do next, then imagine the most beautiful and happiest future you can think of.

"The happiest future?"

"Then you will find to yourself again and understand, who you really are."

"I..."

"Close your eyes"

Tsuyu did as she was told.

"What do you see? Concentrate!"

Tsuyu could see Naruto. He was and idiot, a stupid pervert, a complete moron, reckless, but still an endearing/likeable die-hard, (German word is "Starrkopf, I don't know how to translate that correct so I used dict.) who you can't be angry for too long. She met Naruto when she was six. He welcomed her with this words: "Good day, my name is Naruto. You can write a love-letter to me later. Let's do our best!"

But Tsuyu was only interested in the boy, that stand next to Naruto: Renge.

"Tsuyu" a voice called out of nowhere. "You(In German "Ihr", so it means all three again) may have failed your mission, but there is still something you(again all three of them) can do."

Tsuyu opened her eyes and shouted: "Sensei, you have to evacuate the people of the village. I will go to Naruto the fatest way!"

 

 

What I bolded is important, as this isn't making Naruto look as the silver medal. Tsuyu choosed Naruto because he is making her the happiest, not Renge. She chosed Naruto before Renge, not because she cant get with Renge.

 

@天地長久  

There are some passages and situation in the book that happened in a similiar way in the manga, like the question of a Sensei asking one of his students if they like one spezific person (Minato did that to Obito and Sai did it similiar to Naruto). It's not far fetched to believe Kishi would do the ending similiar, just not open ended. 

Thanks. That gives me an insight of what Kishi is trying to do with his romance subplot. If he doesn't change his mind at the last minute, that is.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, our answer is near, so prepare for it.

[narusaku256]

I was srsly started to believe that Sakura has moved on from Sasuke but then fake confession, chapter 540 and chapter 693 happened. Now I won't be surprised if kishi makes NH and SS canon in the movie(I am 200% sure pairings won't be resolved in the manga), because it seems that kishi just wants to rush his manga to the end now, and what better way to do a rushed ending other than giving atleast the larger fandom what they want.(SS and NH combined and maybe individually as well are more popular according to some rankings I saw somewhere.)
NS happening can't be jsutified in any way possible on earth.
 
Will you like to try telling how you think it will be in a liitle detail?

A realisation......a strong realisation that...her love for Sasuke was never love to begin with. She stating that herself.ba revelation hitting her and she sayingx 'That means...I never loved Sasuke to begin with. It was love...but never romantic' with a shocked expression on her face. Her saying herself...'This dobe...he taught me what real love is and what it is to love someone with all the heart...selflessly' Something like this could erase the 'She loves Naruto because she couldn't get Sasuke' argument. While its still not the case....but for those who believe...

[redragon88]

@FreakySandra1995

 

 

"Listen to me, Tsuyu. Remember this: There is a bad/evil spirit that lives in every human being. The name of this evil/bad spirit is: Ideology." She explained.

 

Wait, the sensei is a girl? Everything I know is a lie.

 

@KnS

 

Wait, in your opinion Sakura is already aware that she doesn't love Sasuke romantically? Don't you think she needs to have a final realization of that?

 

I think Sakura was referring to romantic love in 693, but that's only how she thinks she feels and will realize that's not the case before the end.

[FreakySandra1995]

@FreakySandra1995

 

 

Wait, the sensei is a girl? Everything I know is a lie.

 

@KnS

 

Wait, in your opinion Sakura is already aware that she doesn't love Sasuke romantically? Don't you think she needs to have a final realization of that?

 

I think Sakura was referring to romantic love in 693, but that's only how she thinks she feels and will realize that's not the case before the end.

 

Ups, no, it's a he. I'm sorry, I'll fix this immediatly

[Raiton]

 

You're right. I guess if Kishi did use such a scenario the new thing would be to see the conclusion of that conflict since the novel has an open end. We don't see the girl reach Naruto to tell him how she feels and we don't see the rival become good.

 

We'll see the conclusion that was denied to the readers in the novel through the use of the original characters. At least if Kishi does go that route. I could be wrong, so we'll just have to see.

According to this the ending will be a masterpiece. \o/

"(Last words to Naruto before being sealed) "Naruto… I'll be returning to where our master is, so I can see your story… If you ask me… You're the third part that concludes the series… The first part was Jiraiya… He was flawless… But… The second part was me, an almost complete failure… I couldn't even get our master to acknowledge me… Ending the series is the third part… The final work will settle it all! Become such a masterpiece that that failure will be like it was cancelled altogether… Naruto!"

[ns.Believe.It]

I was srsly started to believe that Sakura has moved on from Sasuke but then fake confession, chapter 540 and chapter 693 happened. Now I won't be surprised if kishi makes NH and SS canon in the movie(I am 200% sure pairings won't be resolved in the manga), because it seems that kishi just wants to rush his manga to the end now, and what better way to do a rushed ending other than giving atleast the larger fandom what they want.(SS and NH combined and maybe individually as well are more popular according to some rankings I saw somewhere.)

NS happening can't be jsutified in any way possible on earth.

So you believe the pairing that has had a continuous positive development for 696 chapters cannot be 'justified in any way possible on Earth' while the other two pairings that are nowhere near as developed as NS could somehow work....? 

 

Naruto and Sakura need to have a talk wherein they are open about their feelings. Just one talk about how they feel about each other. This is all that is needed to make NS canon and it WOULD make all the sense in the world. The development between them has been shown, the fact that both of them care about each other has been shown and the beautiful chemistry between the two is obvious to all. All that is needed is a realization and one honest talk between them is enough for this. 

[KnS]

@KnS

 

Wait, in your opinion Sakura is already aware that she doesn't love Sasuke romantically? Don't you think she needs to have a final realization of that?

 

I think Sakura was referring to romantic love in 693, but that's only how she thinks she feels and will realize that's not the case before the end.

 

I think Sakura knows that her feelings for Sasuke are different than they were.  I think she has been questioning them for a long time now.  And I don't personally believe #693 was intentionally and overtly romantic on her part as others seem to believe.

 

Nevertheless, I would not be surprised if Kishimoto doesn't belabor it for the sake of dragging out the pairings, and makes Sakura have yet another obvious, ridiculous, "final" realization about Sasuke, and then an overdue epiphany that Naruto is the one who makes her happy.

 

I think all she needs is the epiphany about Naruto, not another forced moment when she realizes, again, that Sasuke is neither interested in nor worthy of her love.

[rocci]

@ns.believe.it
In naruto confession.

[Gravenimage]

Why are they still calling it "fake confession"? I won't bother anymore. The only ones who keeps calling Sakura's confession fake are biased people who doesn't want to open their eyes to the truth. 540 was a trolling and 593 was nothing against NS Kishi is focusing on the team 7 family bond. Western fans have trouble defining the word" love" in Naruto. They immediately think is about kissing, holding hands and making babies. If Sakura says she loves Sasuke its romantic love, friendship/family love is out of the question because its Sakura. These are the same fans who still see Sakura as her part 1 self.

[rikakim94]

I normally ship canon, but I've never really been in a position where the canon ship contradicted with the ship with the most development. So I'm not sure if it's that I like canon because there's less chance of being disappointed, or that I like pairings with substantial development.

 

Yeah i normally prefer canon pairs too you get less disappointed BUT If it not lacklustered protrayed, very poorly planned and most importantly falls into the by the red fate trope. which is why i prefer a non canon in a certain anime series.

[Silent Storm]

Again as I've said before if Kishimoto really cared about the popularity of those pairings (especially in the west) then he would have catered towards them more than he did developing Naruto and Sakura's relationship.

 

What's popular doesn't mean a whole lot when you have one pairing that is not catered to in any meaningful way (SasuSaku) and another which is infrequent and still one-sided (NaruHina). What NaruSaku has over them is balance, friendship and understtanding with eachother.

 

693 wasn't a confession because she's already confessed her feelings towards him and was rejection. 693 was her saying that despite "loving" Sasuke she wasn't able to reach him or do anything else to stop him walking down this path. She then says if he evens feels a little thing for Sakura then rather kill her best friend and master, stop this and return so team 7 can laugh together again. Kishimoto, rather than show Sasuke is doubting his decision (thus showing that Sakura words may have reached him) instead has Sasuke smirk, "kill" her in a genjutsu and then goes onto trample on her feelings and tell Kakashi he doesn't love her. Kakashi then says her intentions at that point weren't to chase after him but only to save him from darkness.

 

Hinata's confession was more to do with her own character progress than actually setting up for a NaruHina ending, which explains why it hasn't been addressed, further built on and why Hinata quickly faded into the background after.

 

NaruSaku may not be in a favourable position right now, but in what way is NaruHina and SasuSaku more likely when despite them being popular, Kishimoto didn't develop both relationships to the same extent as Naruto and Sakura's relationship, why haven't Naruto and Sasuke shown any hints to a reciprocation.

Edited by Silent Storm, 18 October 2014 - 08:19 PM.

[FreakySandra1995]

Kishimoto himself made it clear with his databooks that Sakura is by no way happy with the way she is feeling. I'm sure she really don't want to love Sasuke , but she simply can't stop that, and that's not a bad thing. Her desire is not to be together romantically with him although she loves him in that way. Such a "tragic" love happens all the time in storys. 
In the Gutsy ninja it's emphazized as well. Shu just asked Tsuyu if she likes/loves Renge (I'm not quite sure if it's really just like, because the German translation is sometimes very wary with the use of "love".) and after Shu's advice she sees that Naruto is the men that makes her the happiest, although she never says that she doesn't love Renge anymore. So why shouldn't it happen in the main story? Kishi showed that he is capable to make someone feel that way.