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#3621 Atheck

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:15 PM

You know, KibaHina has been alluded to on several different occasions. It's a peculiar coincidence that Kiba would resemble Naruto so much, not just in personality or physical appearance, but now he's beginning to incorporate some of Naruto's abilities into his fighting style. Could this be an indication that Hinata will eventually redirect her romantic sentiments towards Kiba? It's also fairly apparent that Kiba values Hinata's feelings deeply since the Chunin Exams where he requested that she surrender if her opponent is Neji, understanding the animosity that the Branch House maintains towards the Main House. 

 

Is there a reason to suspect that Hinata may eventually choose Kiba as her significant other? 



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:22 PM

You know, KibaHina has been alluded to on several different occasions. It's a peculiar coincidence that Kiba would resemble Naruto so much, not just in personality or physical appearance, but now he's beginning to incorporate some of Naruto's abilities into his fighting style. Could this be an indication that Hinata will eventually redirect her romantic sentiments towards Kiba? It's also fairly apparent that Kiba values Hinata's feelings deeply since the Chunin Exams where he requested that she surrender if her opponent is Neji, understanding the animosity that the Branch House maintains towards the Main House. 

 

Is there a reason to suspect that Hinata may eventually choose Kiba as her significant other? 

All of this, I don't think is a coincidence. The thing is if Kishi wants to couple the side characters, and if Kishi is willing to do that to Hinata then the one thing I'm sure of in terms of this, is that Kiba will be the one for her.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:37 PM

You know, KibaHina has been alluded to on several different occasions. It's a peculiar coincidence that Kiba would resemble Naruto so much, not just in personality or physical appearance, but now he's beginning to incorporate some of Naruto's abilities into his fighting style. Could this be an indication that Hinata will eventually redirect her romantic sentiments towards Kiba? It's also fairly apparent that Kiba values Hinata's feelings deeply since the Chunin Exams where he requested that she surrender if her opponent is Neji, understanding the animosity that the Branch House maintains towards the Main House. 

 

Is there a reason to suspect that Hinata may eventually choose Kiba as her significant other? 

Wow.... what an interesting theory, I've never even considered that  :omfg:

It makes sense now that I think about it. And Kiba's comment about Naruto trying to impress Hinata, it was jealousy! (maybe)

 

I'll just say this much, it has potential. You may be on to something here and I'll be sure to keep this in mind when reading future chapters.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:45 PM

I will not surprise if kibahina became canon.
Because when the introduction in team 8 & 10, naruto comment about kiba is "he's more louder than me".
This mean kiba is another naruto clone but louder, and akamaru is equivalent to Kyubi :fu:

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:47 PM

You know, KibaHina has been alluded to on several different occasions. It's a peculiar coincidence that Kiba would resemble Naruto so much, not just in personality or physical appearance, but now he's beginning to incorporate some of Naruto's abilities into his fighting style. Could this be an indication that Hinata will eventually redirect her romantic sentiments towards Kiba? It's also fairly apparent that Kiba values Hinata's feelings deeply since the Chunin Exams where he requested that she surrender if her opponent is Neji, understanding the animosity that the Branch House maintains towards the Main House. 

 

Is there a reason to suspect that Hinata may eventually choose Kiba as her significant other? 

I've always thought this too. He's always shown to be supportive and understanding of Hinata. I think it's a cute possible pairing. I just hope Hinata doesn't go to him because she thinks he is like Naruto 2.0..


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 10:02 PM

I'd actually rather see resolution with Hinata's feelings or whatnot before or after the fallout with Sasuke before NS became canon, I mean one thing that really ticks me in just about any series is unfinished plot devices when the series itself has ended, I mean anyone here remember the story of Zuko's mom from Avatar? The creators just made a comic when another season of TLA could have wrapped this stuff up. It was kinda a stab at the entire fanbase when in the first scenes of Korra, one of Tenzin's daughters asks Katara (now 85) about what happened to Zuko's mom to which she replies "its a long and wonderful story but-" she gets cut off and does not go back to it. Same in other series which were canceled but had great storylines ahead of them like the young justice cartoon, cancelled when they introduced darkseid. Even halo got the chance to continue further beyond 3, not just by the games. Unless the games alone were played and not any of the novels were (which expand the story much more) there was always a mystery with the forerunners, the most advanced race in this universe who all vanished following the activation of the halo array, one of the good things is that with this story, they recently made a forerunner saga of books explaining what exactly happened to them and set the whole story in motion. Until 2010, people always had this question with looking at forerunner structures by asking, who the hell built this stuff? In manga, because they run one or so arch story for so long, I feel they have the time they need to tie up loose ends and satisfy the majority of important plots without much lingering behind. This is something I feel Oda from One piece better be able to do years from now when he finally decides to end one piece. Such a long story.

 

Anyways we knew for NaruSaku to become canon 5 critira must be met:

1. Naruto's feelings for Sakura- the main and longest lasting, with 631, its a safe bet he still loves her. No other manga moments to go on beyond 469 as many argued saying he was over Sakura, the second closest clue to him still loving Sakura is the anime ep 235 and that's a filler, but what else to associate the topic with? No fillers with him displaying some closer affection to Hinata beyond the 469 event. Point is, there is manga evidence now so we need to see where it goes.

 

2. Sakura's feelings for Sasuke- this is one we knew would come up, and it just may soon be upon us. The notion is there with her not trusting him, the one she "loves." But in this case it was highly speculated under due to the development she has experienced between Naruto and Sasuke and how Sasuke has just done more bad stuff over the series. Its also just due to plain simple character development 101, Sakura loved Sasuke blindly and hated Naruto, over time she saw Sasuke had his flaws and Naruto was not as bad as she thought, practically now at the point she cannot imagine him not being around. SS may be on its last knees, but for this, Sakura either gets over Sasuke or remains fixated on him. Not to change this though would have her remain static in what she desired. One thing is true though, she has matured in many senses even knowing what he became. What she does when this event occurs will show what she will go through later. This Sasuke event after 635 will impact her, but also Naruto, and one thing to consider, how will Naruto react due to Sakura? If its hit Sakura hard its always hit Naruto harder.

 

3. How Sakura will turn to Naruto: this is a big one, we know the reasons why NS can occur, but at this point its how will it occur? Basically what event will set in motion Sakura to gain affection for naruto beyond just friendship? Its one part acceptance and maturity on both of them, but for Sakura what is the moment of connection she would end up gaining in which she fully accepts Naruto on her own choice, loving him on her own choice. There is a lot to go on like how Minato and Kushina ended up, realization, recollection of feelings, etc. So much can be used for this, but if its a dramatic moment or even throwing in a bit of comedy like the early forehead scene being revealed to her that it was Naruto who told her that, how would she react? A combination of shocked, angry, happy, flustered, etc? Basically for the character arc or scene she would need, what would make it occur? Would obviously occur after the Jubito/ Madara crisis but most likely also before, during, or after the Naruto vs. Sasuke ordeal.

 

4. Hinata's feelings- I only say this because its important she is taken care of too. Despite being a minor character, yes Hinata needs her own ending as others in the series do like Shikamaru protecting/ training Asuma's child, Choji leading his clan, etc. She has her ending with the clan and fixing the relationships between the branches, like Naruto said. Neji's death for any sake could be the catalyst to start this mending of the clan. Likewise Hinata also needs the approval of her father to lead, confidence in herself is also a good ending trait. But as for feelings, if Sakura is about to break the love triangle and we get Naruto-><-Sakura type interaction, with Hinata still going -> to Naruto, something must be done. We know she is not the jealous or competitive type (like her RtN counterpart) she can simply be happy for Naruto, kinda like in chapter 450 with the hug, but if anything else, if NS becomes canon, maybe this is resolved in a simple smile from afar, or maybe there is some closure between Naruto and Hinata before anything else, most likely her at least understanding how Naruto feels about Sakura. How would anyone act if Hinata took the intiative to push Naruto towards the one thing he is scared beyond fighting Obito or Sasuke to do? Yes I mean what if Hinata pushes Naruto to confess to Sakura? How would that be?

 

5. The biggest thing of all: Putting all the development together, this is the biggest thing, all moments and development between Naruto and Sakura, basically what was built so far, the point is how its topped off, the big bang, the climax, if NS is the romance subplot we see it to be, how will it be put together? What and how does this all accumulate into the characters of Naruto and Sakura, while also supporting the ending of the others on team 7? How will the build up of all this come together and fit within the rest of the plot elements to create an ending to the overall story and journey of team 7 and their friends? It has all the elements there, so many ways to build it, the only question is just what to make out of it all? Basically all the puzzle pieces are there, bring it together to make one solid product and see how good it looks.

 

Honorary requirement: The Kushina parallel, it was not entirely required but it does help. Because Sakura=Kushina now as of 631, this enables a lot of other development to come forward. Basically just going by the "Find a girl like me" line, well with Sakura as the only girl ever compared to Kushina in the manga so far, this is who we must think is fitting Kushina's foreshadow of Naruto finding a girlfriend. Because this is not prone to change, its safe to say NS takes the kushina parallel otherwise it dies with NS if NS does not become canon. To change it though basically goes on by what others like chatte said in their post about parallels as a literary device, the parallel acts like a rhythm, we have seen this NS "rhythm" for a while with all the other parallels attributed to team 7 but for MK, its on NS. Out of all the parallels we can see in the series, not one was ever displayed towards Hinata, never has there been a comparison of her to another character  by another character or a character themselves to the point its either repeated or displayed indefinitely. Basically yes there are similar lines and qualities among characters, but in this case we don't see others inputing thought on her being like someone else they know or have known. I mean like how Minato did his comparison of Sakura and Kushina, Jiraya and Tsunade doing Naruto to both his parents, others doing the Naruto to only Minato like Kakashi or Jiraya, Hiruzen doing team 7 to the sannin, Kakashi doing himself to Sasuke, Obito doing himself to Naruto, Tsunade comparing Naruto to Jiraya, Jiraya comparing Sakura to Tsunade (both of these occured at the start of part 2). Hinata is missing stuff for the parallels but this is only a secondary bonus to add alongside the development for NS which truly matters.



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Posted 11 July 2013 - 12:28 AM

You know, KibaHina has been alluded to on several different occasions. It's a peculiar coincidence that Kiba would resemble Naruto so much, not just in personality or physical appearance, but now he's beginning to incorporate some of Naruto's abilities into his fighting style. Could this be an indication that Hinata will eventually redirect her romantic sentiments towards Kiba? It's also fairly apparent that Kiba values Hinata's feelings deeply since the Chunin Exams where he requested that she surrender if her opponent is Neji, understanding the animosity that the Branch House maintains towards the Main House. 

 

Is there a reason to suspect that Hinata may eventually choose Kiba as her significant other? 

I think the major aspect of Hinata's love for Naruto is his nindo , the fact that he never give up inspire her. I don't think she feels the same about Kiba, since he don't have the same nindo then Naruto


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 12:48 AM

You know, KibaHina has been alluded to on several different occasions. It's a peculiar coincidence that Kiba would resemble Naruto so much, not just in personality or physical appearance, but now he's beginning to incorporate some of Naruto's abilities into his fighting style. Could this be an indication that Hinata will eventually redirect her romantic sentiments towards Kiba? It's also fairly apparent that Kiba values Hinata's feelings deeply since the Chunin Exams where he requested that she surrender if her opponent is Neji, understanding the animosity that the Branch House maintains towards the Main House. 
 
Is there a reason to suspect that Hinata may eventually choose Kiba as her significant other?

I guess I'll be the one to disagree. Although I am all for KibaHina, I don't think it has been alluded to in the manga. There has been nothing indicated that Hinata or Kiba have any romantic feelings for each other. Or that Hinata will change her feelings from Naruto to Kiba. She loves Naruto for his will and how he inspires her.

It is no different than the fans(well the non-ShikaTema fans) hoping that Kishimoto is hinting at ShikaIno becuase of their closeness and how compatible they have appeared throughout the war. But nothing that can be considered romantic has happened at all between them.

Now fans can certainly beleive that Kiba would make a great alternative to Naruto. He is her teammate and has some similar qualities to Naruto. On the superficial level, they also look good together and I believe she would be very happy with him. It's a great fanon pairing. But not one I see being established by Kishimoto or being hinted at in the manga.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 01:39 AM

I think the major aspect of Hinata's love for Naruto is his nindo , the fact that he never give up inspire her. I don't think she feels the same about Kiba, since he don't have the same nindo then Naruto


Kiba just affirmed that he would not allow Naruto to surpass himself or the others five chapters ago despite everything that has occurred which would place Naruto closer to the levels of proclaimed gods than the Chunin level rookies. If that isn't an explicit display of unyielding courage then I don't know what is. I already provided my other reasoning for Kiba being intentionally depicted as having the semblances of Naruto so I won't repeat my previous post.
 

I guess I'll be the one to disagree. Although I am all for KibaHina, I don't think it has been alluded to in the manga. There has been nothing indicated that Hinata or Kiba have any romantic feelings for each other. Or that Hinata will change her feelings from Naruto to Kiba. She loves Naruto for his will and how he inspires her.
 
It is no different than the fans(well the non-ShikaTema fans) hoping that Kishimoto is hinting at ShikaIno becuase of their closeness and how compatible they have appeared throughout the war. But nothing that can be considered romantic has happened at all between them.


Yes, however, there have been several blatant reminders that Naruto's feelings for Sakura continue to exist and they passionately burn inside of himself. It appears that no matter what Hinata does or says, she will not be able to vitalise the fires of romantic affection for herself that she feels for Naruto. When your desire to become intimately involved with the man whom you have dedicated your life to since you were a small child has failed, what other recourse is there but to move on and hope that you will meet someone who can equally saturate the personality qualities and aspirations that you value so much in a man?  
 
There may not have been any direct indications of romantic sentiments but it's obvious that Kiba cherishes Hinata and her well-being to the point where he may be under the impression that Naruto perceives her in the same light as she does for him. He wants to see her happy and no matter with whom he will respect Hinata's wishes. Would he be accepting to the idea of having a relationship with Hinata himself? Possibly, but what she desires takes precedence and that act of selflessness is what makes a person all the more endearing. That is what I can infer with Kiba. 
 

Now fans can certainly beleive that Kiba would make a great alternative to Naruto. He is her teammate and has some similar qualities to Naruto. On the superficial level, they also look good together and I believe she would be very happy with him. It's a great fanon pairing. But not one I see being established by Kishimoto or being hinted at in the manga.


IIRC, Kishi was presented with the question of whether Shikamaru and Temari would eventually become a couple, but he immediately dismissed it, arguing that if he was going to authenticate any hypothetical pairings that it would only be one. It would be logical to assume that he was referring to Naruto and his romantic subplot. But what will that entail for the other characters who have their own sentimental interactions with others?

You're right, it may not ever be addressed but it has a foundation through which it can flourish. For Hinata, Kiba's feelings of altruistic compassion and understanding is what makes him the most prominent individual (the only possible contender being Neji if he's resurrected) whom she would choose as a partner if Kishi ever decided to continue with her subplot.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 04:51 AM

I don't think we will see any pairings exept for Narusaku in the end.
 
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 05:49 AM

@Atheck

 

I think what Kishimoto implied is that he wasn't interested in writing a love subplot for Shikamaru. That doesn't mean he won't be together with someone, just that it won't be a continuous part of the story like, for example, NaruSaku,

 

Take Asuma and Kurenai, the don't have a romantic subplot either. They only had some small teases here and there about maybe liking each other, and all of a sudden after Asuma dies we not only find out they got together but that Kurenai was pregnant with his child. Kishi has previously teased us about the growing relationship of Shikamaru and Temari, so that might be the only thing he needs to make something out of them in a possible epilogue.

 

As far as pairing off the the rookies, I also brought up the possibility of KibaHina after she tried to make him feel better about no one listening to him wanting to become Hokage. I thought it was pretty sweet of her.

 

So apart from ShikaTema and maybe KibaHina, I also think that ChoIno has some base to end up in romance. It would be on of those ironic couples since in Part 1 Ino kept telling Chouji to watch his weight or he wasn't gonna get a girl, and at the same time Ino complains how hard it is to be on a diet while Chouji tells her that it isn't worth it. Eventually in the war we have a flashback of Chouji asking his dad if a girl will ever want to marry him, and then not much later we see Ino admiring Chouji for taking a leadership role after defeating Edo-Asuma.

 

But of course before that can happen Ino needs to get over whatever she still feels for Sasuke. It really would be fully circle for Ino to have started as the superficial girl who dieted only to impress the pretty boy, and go to the sweet girl that falls for a guy more for his inner attributes instead of only how he looks.



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Posted 11 July 2013 - 06:12 AM

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If kishi intend to make epilogue with each rookie children then it would be like this:
Naruto x sakura children: I believe they will have two child, the elder is a girl (who look like naruto oiroke jutsu) and younger is a boy who has sakura hair with naruto face, or should I say minato 2.0
The other..... Well I don't have any idea :P

Maybe we will see shikatema, leeten, and sk children. :D

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 07:10 AM

I never understood why people like Shikamaru x Temari so much. Is there something I'm missing????


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 07:38 AM

I never understood why people like Shikamaru x Temari so much. Is there something I'm missing????

 

Really? I thought it was pretty damn obvious. Even Pierrot teases the hell out of it:

 

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I guess it started to be liked because of their interaction in Part 1, first with fighting each other and then with Temari rescuing him from Tayuya. Later after recovering Temari teases him for being a cry baby (he cried to almost getting his team killed), and Shikamaru teases her about women being annoying for talking too much.

 

The part about women ties to a Shikaku telling him how even rough women can be gentle to the one they love, so that Shikamaru can lighten up about his annoyance towards girls. I think the audience wants to assume that after Shikamaru matures he would start liking Temari, despite her being a rough woman, just like his father started liking his mother.

 

Plus, Naruto teased Shikamaru and Temari for being on a date at the start of Part 2. And then you have some filler scenes here and there that imply they like each other.



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Posted 11 July 2013 - 07:55 AM

Shikatema the only pairing (beside NS) that has parallel.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 07:58 AM

I think the major aspect of Hinata's love for Naruto is his nindo , the fact that he never give up inspire her. I don't think she feels the same about Kiba, since he don't have the same nindo then Naruto

I don't mind KH too much, but the last thing I want is for them to get together because he's like Naruto. Poor Kiba.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 01:04 PM

 
Really? I thought it was pretty damn obvious. Even Pierrot teases the hell out of it:
 
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I guess it started to be liked because of their interaction in Part 1, first with fighting each other and then with Temari rescuing him from Tayuya. Later after recovering Temari teases him for being a cry baby (he cried to almost getting his team killed), and Shikamaru teases her about women being annoying for talking too much.
 
The part about women ties to a Shikaku telling him how even rough women can be gentle to the one they love, so that Shikamaru can lighten up about his annoyance towards girls. I think the audience wants to assume that after Shikamaru matures he would start liking Temari, despite her being a rough woman, just like his father started liking his mother.
 
Plus, Naruto teased Shikamaru and Temari for being on a date at the start of Part 2. And then you have some filler scenes here and there that imply they like each other.

That's true.

Anime is known to treat potential/obvious/fan pairing in a certain level. The obvious one usually get the highest amount (check Fairy Tail for that), so it's no wonder we see so many. Hm, go us?

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 01:09 PM

@ns4life
What about NS? Does it get the same treatment?

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 01:09 PM

I don't think we will see any pairings exept for Narusaku in the end.


I agree with that. I think the only pairing which will develop to be shown as the romantic couple in the end will be NaruSaku. However, if kishi does make an epilogue, I would not be surprised if he threw in another couple of pairings together just to answer some other people's pairing choices.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 01:33 PM

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What about NS? Does it get the same treatment?

I assume you don't watch anime. That said oh most definitely. Why else we have been saying "anime don't count"? Because they are overdosed with NS fan service. After all, we have that OVA, remember? In fact, if we compile it, we will have more posts to post all of them than The Buildup thread.




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