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[T XD]

I'm curious if Naruhina and Sasusaku didn't have such a large fan base, will many of you still think that those other pairings will still have chance?

from the beginning of the series, i didn't even think about these two pairings and that naruto and hinata could or going to be together and same for sasuke and sakura and i was very surprised, many years ago when i first knew, that naruhina and sasusaku has large fan base.
the reasons why those two pairings has fan base which i think you know some of them :
naruhina is popular cause there's a side character, who is hinata, loves or likes ( whatever you want to call it) the protagonist of the manga so of course there's going to be people who will like for them to be together which it's mostly because they want hinata to get what she want, and therefore not wanting sakura to be the one for naruto which she's the one that naruto loves her so of course they'll put her with sasuke seeing that she fangirling or have a crush on or loves him to get her away from naruto, although there's some naruhina fans who don't like her with sasuke so they just don't ship them like other naruhina fans, saying that she can still alone or be with someone else like lee and here's a little info on why lee isn't shipped the same as naruhina, although she's a main character and the heroine of the manga but she's not the protagonist of the story so there will be people who won't care that much about this pairing and same thing goes to sasuke and ino so that why kishi will have to make some more hinata panels as a fan service to NH fans, seeing that it has given a result of a large NH fanbase and he's obviously didn't plan for this to hinata as she's a side character who likes or have an interest in one of the main characters like lee to sakura and ino for sasuke, a character that is interested to each one of the main trio. but now the fan base of NH has decreased a lot but you can see some of NH fans who don't want and no matter what for sakura and naruto to be together and always sticking to hinata and it's either cause they hate sakura or they still want hinata to be the one giving whatever reason they can to still be seing as " that why naruhina is going to happen ! " and don't want to lose to other pairings.
now sasusaku is popular cause there's a lot of fans likes sasuke as he's cool and all that and lots of them are girls and there's the heroine who likes or loves or have a crush on and fangirl him so they put the two as pairing seeing that the girl can get the all cool guy if you know what i mean but there is some fans who ship them simply because they like them together so some of them they go for hinata to naruto and therefore you have more NH fans. but now, like NH, their fan base has decreased and just like some NH fans the same reasons are to be said of why they stick on this pairing.

in manga and anime, there's almost always a side character who's interested in the protagonist and sometimes there can be a challenge to the protagonist as the the character he/she is interested in which is always a main character, which in the end the protagonist will get him/her, is not necessarily from the beginning have a full attention from the romantic part on the protagonist which slowly his/her focus will turn to the protagonist and it depends on how the mangaka has planned for these two and how he/she wants to continue in the story and reveal it for real but there are manga that the main character is already interested in the protagonist from the beginning and it also depengs on how the mangaka wants and therefore planning the story on what he/she has chosen from the two options. i don't know if its called like this but there is like manga rules and this is one of them.

Edited by T XD, 21 August 2012 - 10:26 PM.

[kirabook]

I don't think popularity has anything to do with it.

Not too long ago I didn't even know of NH or SS or their fanbase or how vicious some of them could be. Since I didn't know, I never felt NH of all things had any chance whatsoever. I still assumed Sakura loved Sasuke, but I've seen her changing throughout the entire series and always felt she would eventually turn her eyes to Naruto and Naruto alone.

That hasn't changed. I still feel Sakura will turn her eyes to Naruto and that NH never truly had a chance. And more recently, I feel SS has gone down the drain. That isn't to say that I think their fanbase is dead, it obviously isn't. But some people on a forum have nothing to do with canon material.


That said, Sakura bashers and Sakura haters have missed out on something I realize. (Just to.... make things perfectly clear, I'm not talking about ANYONE here, or anyone in particular because I don't know any Sakura bashers personally) Kishi said something along the lines of when he first made Sakura, she was meant to be somewhat unlikable correct? He made her character start at rock bottom in likability on purpose.

As the manga progresses, he shows these moments where Sakura is becoming a less annoying person and someone important to the Team 7 dynamic. As time went along, your liking for her was supposed to increase slowly but surely. She slowly turned into that heroine that Kishi wanted her to be. But people who don't like Sakura don't seem to realize this. They're stuck seeing her introductory character and fail to acknowledge her growth as a person. Even if they somehow move past how she was in the past, they think extra critically of her if she makes any mistakes whatsoever.

Just something I thought about, but was too sleepy last night to come here and say. 8D

[redragon88]

Maybe some SS fans don't want Naruto with Sakura because they still view him as a dork.

They probably think he's still the same annoying brat he was in chapter 1, even though it's obvious how much he's matured. But maybe fans don't want to accept that and cloud their vision to the fact that Naruto is now a dependable guy.

By this point you could even say that Naruto is the one above Sakura's league and therefore she'd be the lucky one to have someone like him loving her. But some fans might not want to accept that Naruto has become an incredible guy. So they think Sasuke would still be the better option because his coolness factor makes him more dependable, even though it's the complete opposite.

[T XD]

Maybe some SS fans don't want Naruto with Sakura because they still view him as a dork.

They probably think he's still the same annoying brat he was in chapter 1, even though it's obvious how much he's matured. But maybe fans don't want to accept that and cloud their vision to the fact that Naruto is now a dependable guy.

By this point you could even say that Naruto is the one above Sakura's league and therefore she'd be the lucky one to have someone like him loving her. But some fans might not want to accept that Naruto has become an incredible guy. So they think Sasuke would still be the better option because his coolness factor makes him more dependable, even though it's the complete opposite.

there could be some fans who thinks that way and what you're saying about narutois right. kishi made naruto irrational in part 1 but in part 2 he becomes more mature as we have seen and same with the characters like naruto when he shows us when they were young and when they became older like jiraiya and minato but some fans still don't want to change their own shipment, they want to stick on their opinions till there aren't any other reasons they could think of in their shipping.

Edited by T XD, 21 August 2012 - 11:56 AM.

[Branden]

I've got several questions.

What purpose would naruhina have becoming canon?
What purpose would narusaku have becoming canon?

How are the 2 similar?
How are they different?

If you can confidently answer those questions then you've impressed me, that's for certain.

Edited by Branden, 21 August 2012 - 01:44 PM.

[kirabook]

If NH happens, Hinata, a minor character, would fulfill one of her... 'goals' that is meant to 'complete' her character. Naruto would accomplish nothing with that, and would be taking a step back in terms of "achieving everything the previous couldn't." In all sense of the word, Hinata really is the 'second best' some fans claim Naruto would be if Sakura went for him.

If NS happens, Naruto would achieve something some of the previous couldn't. With nothing but hard work and selflessness, he would win the heart of the one he loves. Naruto's love life would be 'complete', he wouldn't be cursed to watch his love from afar until his death. Sakura would at last mature romantically. She would have gone from die hard crushing that largely began from admiration, lust for his appearance, and because 'it was cool to like him' to actually caring deeply about Naruto's well and life being because she actually knows Naruto. She actually cares for him as a person, not just because he is cool or handsome or because it's "in". She would at last be with the one that is actually what she wished Sasuke was (other than the emo "I'm better than you" crap)

How they are similar *thinks*.... Well, I guess Naruto and Hinata are in the same position, but not really. Depending on how her "holding his hand" comment can be interpreted, she intends to pursue her love and make it known. Naruto, on the other hand, intends to wait for Sakura to turn to him on her own or at least wait until she no longer loves Sasuke.

Hinata's love for Naruto is similar to Sakura's love for Sasuke. When Sakura and Hinata developed their crushes, they knew nothing about the boys other than the bits and pieces they saw occasionally at school or around the village. They always kinda watched from afar (Sakura, not really, but Sasuke kept everyone at a distance, so it pretty much was afar). They didn't truly understand the loneliness both boys felt and understood about each other. They were always the stranger looking from the outside and failing to look through the blinds.

Hinata is still in that position to this day. She admires Naruto from a distance, but it seems she still knows nothing or understands nothing about Naruto other than they are both "proud failures". Sakura, on the other hand, has been right in the middle of Naruto problems. She got a lick of Sasuke problems, but even still he pushed her away before she could truly KNOW him like Naruto does. She falls even further behind on understanding since now she doesn't understand the pain of losing someone like Naruto now understands. (losing Jiraiya) Sakura has not stayed in the position she was in in part one. She has grown to understand much more than Hinata could hope to at this point.

Hm... *tries to think of another similarity and difference*

Edited by kirabook, 21 August 2012 - 02:30 PM.

[Don-kun]

I'm curious if Naruhina and Sasusaku didn't have such a large fan base, will many of you still think that those other pairings will still have chance?

For true NH is the sweet little cute under dog what everyone loves to support plus the fact that she have some big, many fans like.

For true SS is where the shallow minded take effect who cares about the interaction is just putting two hot people together, after the last thread I read on Naruto forum I find out that most SS don't like Naruto that mush and some don't care about him.

NS is the story of the underdog mixed with some level headed people who study the story and try to make sense of the Manga.

So always keep in mind going to the disco is a lot more popular than reading a story and trying to understand it, most NH and SS fans go for the popular stuff (Hinata personality her chest/cool, hot and sexy Sasuke) and don't analyze or read too much into things.

[4000TMNT]

Is it true that Kishi ask his editor to write Sakura confession to Sasuke.

[redragon88]

Is it true that Kishi ask his editor to write Sakura confession to Sasuke.

Well, in the last Jump Festa interview he does mention how he struggled to write that scene. Here's some quotes:

After the reading to the scenes of Sasuke’s leaving the village and parting with Sakura, Sensei’s comment is “This scene really troubled me” He doesnt go into details about what troubled him at there.

“I drew Sakura’s crying face while making the same face. I struggled to draw the scene where she says “Please don’t go!” to Sasuke with my editor as I found it difficult to get into a girl”s mind. It was an effect of the two geezers.”

“I don’t understand women’s hearts, so I consulted with a coworker before writing the scene of Sasuke and Sakura’s parting.”

Here's the full interview if anyone wants to see it again:

http://www.likenarut...ump-festa-2012/

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Is it true that Kishi ask his editor to write Sakura confession to Sasuke.

No he asked for help to drawn those scenes because he admitted that in terms of romance he's not good at drawing scenes like this, that why he admitted that the scene of sakura's confession did not play the way he intended to do because he says that her confession was true but the way he played it did another impression , then he used "Sai" to explain everything.

sometimes the author use his characters to interact with the main characters, sai saying everything to naruto about sakura true intentions sound like it was kishimoto himself saying this, that sage frog on myobokuzan montain talking about the future and everything works the same, it's some tricks that authors use.

Edited by dovahkiin, 21 August 2012 - 03:47 PM.

[Don-kun]

No he asked for help to drawn those scenes because he admitted that in terms of romance he's not good at drawing scenes like this, that why he admitted that the scene of sakura's confession did not play the way he intended to do because he says that her confession was true but the way he played it did another impression , then he used "Sai" to explain everything.

sometimes the author use his characters to interact with the main characters, sai saying everything to naruto about sakura true intentions sound like it was kishimoto himself saying this, that sage frog on myobokuzan montain talking about the future and everything works the same, it's some tricks that authors use.

I would call that character interpretation, Sai say that Sakura loves Sasuke and because she love him so much is the reason why she wants to kill him to avoid him from sinking any lower, but in the end she could not kill him, why because she loves him so much? I cannot be one of the statements contradict the other.

Even if we go with your interpretation.
Yamato unfinished sentence, and Sakura tell Naruto that he doesn't understand anything about her feelings when he refuse to believe that she loves him. What are those? Is the Authors also saying the she really loves the two guys and wants a 3some?

Edited by NS means logic, 21 August 2012 - 04:35 PM.

[4000TMNT]

No he asked for help to drawn those scenes because he admitted that in terms of romance he's not good at drawing scenes like this, that why he admitted that the scene of sakura's confession did not play the way he intended to do because he says that her confession was true but the way he played it did another impression , then he used "Sai" to explain everything.

sometimes the author use his characters to interact with the main characters, sai saying everything to naruto about sakura true intentions sound like it was kishimoto himself saying this, that sage frog on myobokuzan montain talking about the future and everything works the same, it's some tricks that authors use.

Thanks for clearing that up, but I still wanna know did Kishi intended for Sakura confession to look selfish or did he actually think he made a selfless confession.

In my opinion, this is how I saw the confession.

1. First she says to sasuke where are going, and sasuke says mine your business, than she gets up set and tells him why he never tells her anything or talks to her (like its her right to make sasuke give his attention to her).

2. She than acknowledge that sasuke always hated her (that's the reason why he does not talk to you).

3. She than tried to convince him that getting his revenge will not make anyone happy, not him or herself(like sasuke care for her happiness or her opinion).

4. She than explains that she has family and friends, but if he leaves, she will be just as alone as him (as if her family and friends didn't matter to her at all).

5. When that did not work, she than confess her love to him (give no reason why she loved him).

6. She says if she stays with him everyday will be joy and fun (highly unlikely, since she said he does not like her.)

7. Than she says she'll help him with his revenge (she already said getting his revenge will not bring anyone happiness).

8. When all that did not work, she says take her with him (already saying she has family and friends and said sasuke hates her. She's willing to abandon the friends who cared about her to go on a path of evil she had no reason to go to. That really gave the impression she didn't care how saddened her friends would be if she left as well. As if the feelings of the people who cared for her didn't matter at all, WTF).

So I wanna know did Kishi intended to make it look bad.

Edited by 4000TMNT, 21 August 2012 - 05:09 PM.

[Don-kun]

Thanks for clearing that up, but I still wanna know did Kishi intended for Sakura confession to look selfish or did he actually think he made a selfless confession.

In my opinion, this is I saw the confession.

1. First she says to sasuke where are going, and sasuke says mine your business, than she gets up set and tells him why he never tells her anything or talks to her (like its her right to make sasuke give his attention to her).

2. She than acknowledge that sasuke always hated her (that's the reason why he does not talk to you).

3. She than tried to convince him that getting his revenge will not make anyone happy, not him or herself(like sasuke care for her happiness or her opinion).

4. She than explains that she has family and friends, but if he leaves, she will be just as alone as him (as if her family and friends didn't matter to her at all).

5. When that did not work, she than confess her love to him (give no reason why she loved him).

6. She says if she stays with him everyday will be joy and fun (highly unlikely, since she said he does not like her.)

7. Than she says she'll help him with his revenge (she already said getting his revenge will not bring anyone happiness).

8. When all that did not work, she says take her with him (already saying she has family and friends and said sasuke hates her. She's willing to abandon the friends who cared about her to go on a path of evil she had no reason to go to. That really gave the impression she didn't care how saddened her friends would be if she left as well. As if the feelings of the people who cared for her didn't matter at all, WTF).

So I wanna know did Kishi intended to make it look bad.

A Question made by.

Okay, since things have been slow for the last couple of days, I have question for everyone. How many of us are still doubting that Narusaku will happen in the end, especially after everything we learned about Road to Ninja movie?

[redragon88]

I would call that character interpretation, Sai say that Sakura loves Sasuke and because she love him so much is the reason why she wants to kill him to avoid him from sinking any lower, but in the end she could not kill him, why because she loves him so much? I cannot be one of the statements contradict the other.

Even if we go with your interpretation.
Yamato unfinished sentence, and Sakura tell Naruto that he doesn't understand anything about her feelings when he refuse to believe that she loves him. What are those? Is the Authors also saying the she really loves the two guys and wants a 3some?

Well, I think Sai was simply explaining that Sakura's love for Sasuke is of the kind that would permit her to kill him, while Naruto believed it was the contrary.

Even if Sai explains that Sakura is prepared to kill Sasuke because she loves him, it still look like that reason she decided to do it in the first place was to rid Naruto of his burden. I don't think she would've attempted to pursue Sasuke in order to kill him if she hadn't known about Naruto's pains. If Sai hadn't said anything to Sakura she probably would've argued with the other Konoha 11 to believe more in Naruto.

She might've been prepared to kill him because of her love, but Naruto's determination to bring Sasuke back stopped her from going any further with that thought. Sakura wasn't gonna kill Sasuke if it meant hurting Naruto, but all that changed when Sai told her about Naruto's pain.

In the end it seems Sakura's decision to finally kill Sasuke was based more on how he was a burden on Naruto's well being than it was on her loving him.

Kakashi also dwells on how much it would pain him to kill Sasuke since he loves him by mentioning this is probably how the Hiruzen felt when it came to fighting Orochimaru.

Maybe the love Sakura has for Sasuke that Sai explained was meant to be similar to the way Kakashi also felt about Sasuke. We might be the ones misinterpreting Sai's statement as romantic love. It could simply be the love that you have for someone you care deeply about. It's a given that Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi all deeply love Sasuke. Maybe that's as far as Sai meant it to be, but given Sakura's history of romantic feelings for Sasuke maybe we made it look more than it was.

I'm not saying Sakura doesn't hold romantic feelings for Sasuke, she still does even if it look very negative. I'm just trying to explain that maybe when Sai said "She's prepared to kill the one she loves" it was more similar to how Kakashi was also prepared to do the same.

[4000TMNT]

A Question made by.

What do you mean.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Thanks for clearing that up, but I still wanna know did Kishi intended for Sakura confession to look selfish or did he actually think he made a selfless confession.

In my opinion, this is how I saw the confession.

1. First she says to sasuke where are going, and sasuke says mine your business, than she gets up set and tells him why he never tells her anything or talks to her (like its her right to make sasuke give his attention to her).

2. She than acknowledge that sasuke always hated her (that's the reason why he does not talk to you).

3. She than tried to convince him that getting his revenge will not make anyone happy, not him or herself(like sasuke care for her happiness or her opinion).

4. She than explains that she has family and friends, but if he leaves, she will be just as alone as him (as if her family and friends didn't matter to her at all).

5. When that did not work, she than confess her love to him (give no reason why she loved him).

6. She says if she stays with him everyday will be joy and fun (highly unlikely, since she said he does not like her.)

7. Than she says she'll help him with his revenge (she already said getting his revenge will not bring anyone happiness).

8. When all that did not work, she says take her with him (already saying she has family and friends and said sasuke hates her. She's willing to abandon the friends who cared about her to go on a path of evil she had no reason to go to. That really gave the impression she didn't care how saddened her friends would be if she left as well. As if the feelings of the people who cared for her didn't matter at all, WTF).

So I wanna know did Kishi intended to make it look bad.

The bad part in that confession is when she asked to sasuke take her with him, dude that really messed up with her character there, because i even understand sakura haters mostly because of part 1.
that was selfish over 9000.

[merryGOflava]

The bad part in that confession is when she asked to sasuke take her with him, dude that really messed up with her character there, because i even understand sakura haters mostly because of part 1.
that was selfish over 9000.

thats how a young girl with a crush feels.

thats no reason to hate her.

and besides she tried to get sasuke to stay by threatening to scream (then he knocked her out)

but at least she tried.

she was just really heartbroken.

[Don-kun]

Well, I think Sai was simply explaining that Sakura's love for Sasuke is of the kind that would permit her to kill him, while Naruto believed it was the contrary.

Even if Sai explains that Sakura is prepared to kill Sasuke because she loves him, it still look like that reason she decided to do it in the first place was to rid Naruto of his burden. I don't think she would've attempted to pursue Sasuke in order to kill him if she hadn't known about Naruto's pains. If Sai hadn't said anything to Sakura she probably would've argued with the other Konoha 11 to believe more in Naruto.

She might've been prepared to kill him because of her love, but Naruto's determination to bring Sasuke back stopped her from going any further with that thought. Sakura wasn't gonna kill Sasuke if it meant hurting Naruto, but all that changed when Sai told her about Naruto's pain.

In the end it seems Sakura's decision to finally kill Sasuke was based more on how he was a burden on Naruto's well being than it was on her loving him.

Kakashi also dwells on how much it would pain him to kill Sasuke since he loves him by mentioning this is probably how the Hiruzen felt when it came to fighting Orochimaru.

Maybe the love Sakura has for Sasuke that Sai explained was meant to be similar to the way Kakashi also felt about Sasuke. We might be the ones misinterpreting Sai's statement as romantic love. It could simply be the love that you have for someone you care deeply about. It's a given that Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi all deeply love Sasuke. Maybe that's as far as Sai meant it to be, but given Sakura's history of romantic feelings for Sasuke maybe we made it look more than it was.

I'm not saying Sakura doesn't hold romantic feelings for Sasuke, she still does even if it look very negative. I'm just trying to explain that maybe when Sai said "She's prepared to kill the one she loves" it was more similar to how Kakashi was also prepared to do the same.

I don't disagree with anything you say, I was countering dovahkiin statement since he made it sound as if Kishi felt bad about her confession to Sasuke so he used Sai to explain how genuine her romantic feeling for Sasuke are, when we all notice that her desire to get Sasuke's acknowledgement brought the worst in her behavior, besides if Kishi really wanted SS to be seen in a special way he would of never develop the relationship in a negative way, worse make Sasuke try to kill her 4 times without hesitation.

That was my whould point, we have Yamato statement but we don't say anything unless it's confirmed true or false by Sakura herself.
Sakura has proven that she will do anything for Naruto's sake, but with Sasuke she say the she kill for him and go with him and we all seen that in both statement she lied.

Edited by NS means logic, 21 August 2012 - 06:31 PM.

[4000TMNT]

The bad part in that confession is when she asked to sasuke take her with him, dude that really messed up with her character there, because i even understand sakura haters mostly because of part 1.
that was selfish over 9000.

Not only that but when she said that if he leaves she just be as lonely as he is, that's like a slap in the face to anyone who suffers loneliness. If Sasuke gets angry when Naruto says he understands his loneliness, Sakura speech should be much worse because she does have family and friends who cares about her. At least Sasuke response to her confession by telling shes annoying.

[Traci]

Maybe some SS fans don't want Naruto with Sakura because they still view him as a dork.

They probably think he's still the same annoying brat he was in chapter 1, even though it's obvious how much he's matured. But maybe fans don't want to accept that and cloud their vision to the fact that Naruto is now a dependable guy.

By this point you could even say that Naruto is the one above Sakura's league and therefore she'd be the lucky one to have someone like him loving her. But some fans might not want to accept that Naruto has become an incredible guy. So they think Sasuke would still be the better option because his coolness factor makes him more dependable, even though it's the complete opposite.

Naruto is above everyone's league at this point, lol.