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Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:41 PM

Here's something funny I noticed in Road to Ninja. To give context it's when Naruto and Sakura discuss the different personalities of everyone in the bathhouse. Sakura asks Naruto if Sasuke also changed and here's how Naruto responds:

 

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And Sakura simply says:

 

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So Sakura also agrees that Sasuke is an arrogant bastard. :lmao:

 

It's nice to see how far Sakura has come with her attitude towards Sasuke. In Part 1 she would've smacked Naruto for even daring to imply Sasuke was less than perfect.

 

Something like this should happen in the manga as well. Sakura finally recognizing that Sasuke can have annoying flaws would be the perfect closure to her development towards him.

I can see Sakura standing in front of Sasuke, and gives him a piece of her mind. Either in this battle or in the final battle. It seems now that Sakura can't handle anymore what Sasuke will do.

 

I think Sakura will have to say something regarding Sasuke in the future.


Edited by T XD, 10 July 2013 - 02:59 PM.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:51 PM

I can see Sakura standing in front Sasuke, and gives him a piece of her mind. Either in this battle or in the final battle. It seems now that Sakura can't handle anymore what Sasuke will do.
 
I think Sakura will have to say regarding Sasuke in the future.


I can't wait to see Sakura standing up against Sasuke. It is somewhat evident that it will happen at this point and it's the main reason SasuSaku is in the red zone. The moment that happens, it will show maturity from Sakura's part, and for sure there will be some harsh words being said from her to him. It will be a good wake up call for people who think sakura's love for sasuke is "undying"

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:12 PM

One thing to note is that Naruto hasn't given that special smile to Hinata and I know you know what I mean. I still didn't see it. Naruto does it so many times with Sakura, let alone showing his concern face before making his move. Honestly, we shouldn't even think about Naruto's second thought at this point anymore, but people wants to be safe and I respect that. But for me, it's all too late for mercy play. It's dead and only waiting for SS to sink. Once that happens, even if Hinata still have feelings or whatever, it's all game over. You know, maybe Minato is there to firewall all other pairings moment. Maybe we could have SS moment, but Minato would be like disappointed and all. So I wonder that was Kishi's hidden plan. Eh, who knows.



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:16 PM

SS is on a hanging cliff right now, one more push and done. *phew*


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:20 PM

SS is on a hanging cliff right now, one more push and done. *phew*

Pretty much, and right now, NS could get its next push because he's being targeted by Obito, who is now a God, and it seems possible that OVA 2011 moment may come true in a different way. Heck they can still keep it and alter it by making that Sasuke left because you know, him being solo and probably hate the fact Naruto is now a God. But that's a bit overthinking for now. Anyway, I wonder why Kishi is doing it now. I really wonder...



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:40 PM

I have a question, when sakura confess to sasuke in part one, do you think sakura get reject by sasuke "thank you" or it's not a rejection?
Sorry I'm just curious. :-)

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:45 PM

I have a question, when sakura confess to sasuke in part one, do you think sakura get reject by sasuke "thank you" or it's not a rejection?
Sorry I'm just curious. :-)

She got rejected, but not by "Thank you", rather "You're really annoying". Thank you part is a farewell gift for Sakura to show how he did appreciate the whole memory of Team 7 including her, since she was talking about Team 7 the whole time before she confesses.



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:50 PM

I have a question, when sakura confess to sasuke in part one, do you think sakura get reject by sasuke "thank you" or it's not a rejection?
Sorry I'm just curious. :-)

He rejected her because he listened to her, but left anyway. He gave no clue if he was ever going to return or not. He left their relationship hanging.

 

If it hadn't been a rejection, he should said something like "wait for me", an indication that he would return and they would live happily ever after.

 

Edit; The reason I'm saying he left their relationship hanging is because he left with no answer, and she stood there like a crying question mark until he knocked her out. She was confused, desperate and heartbroken.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:59 PM

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Wait so the"you are really annoying" part is the one who reject sakura confession not the "thank you"? Hmm I don't understand @@.
So that mean ss already dead, right?

Because when you compare with sakura confession in iron land, when it brand by naruto as a lie, and sakura ask "if you don't like me just say it" but naruto didn't answer it. Maybe kishi put the confession on halt. And that answer why no NS interaction after that confession.

Oh btw naruto don't need to answer Hinata confession because it never mean to get an answer.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 05:03 PM

I actually never saw SS. Sasuke doesn't like her and he's the type of main character that is cool, calm and stuff and that got the heorine to love him, but her love isn't there anymore later and has a true love afterwards.

 

That's how I saw SS from the very beginning.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 05:08 PM

I actually never saw SS. Sasuke doesn't like her and he's the type of main character that is cool, calm and stuff and that got the heorine to love him, but her love isn't there anymore later and has a true love afterwards.
 
That's how I saw SS form the very beginning.


It was evident to me that sasusaku died as soon as Sasuke left the village. It is thanks to him that we have all the development on NaruSaku today. Sasusaku was always left alive by the single thread of Sakura loving Sasuke. That is all there ever was in that relationship. Kishi has been pushing the negative development so much so that he could end it. I can't wait to hear what Sakura thinks about Sasuke which should be coming up soon. After that, kishi should just push narusaku development until the end and possible closure for Hinata at one point.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 05:12 PM

@ns4life
Wait so the"you are really annoying" part is the one who reject sakura confession not the "thank you"? Hmm I don't understand @@.
So that mean ss already dead, right?

Because when you compare with sakura confession in iron land, when it brand by naruto as a lie, and sakura ask "if you don't like me just say it" but naruto didn't answer it. Maybe kishi put the confession on halt. And that answer why no NS interaction after that confession.

Oh btw naruto don't need to answer Hinata confession because it never mean to get an answer.

Well I think so because we saw her reaction which is shocked, and then he leaves. But either way, she is rejected. To be honest, I do think it's always been dead because it would seem that Sakura in part 2 is about her road to leave the weakness behind and move on to source of strength. It's no wonder we don't hear much about her and Sasuke until last arc since Sasuke could have die, making them feel like it's time to say goodbye, which they recount their feelings. Now, well it seems like it's about going to a better future. While Sasuke is not done, at least he's not destroying villages. Naruto is the same so no change. Sakura is in progress.

 

As for the confession, Naruto didn't reject her, rather change the subject because he was way too confused on why all of it is happening, which is why he changed the subject to why she came here to say that and leave Sasuke in the dust. That's why he said, "It's just strange..." rather "I don't like you, but that...." way. Either way, his feelings is the same as ever, and the confession will have to come back once this is all over.

 

Exactly. Hinata said it as a parting gift, but she is not asking for anything return.



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 05:26 PM

Naruto will have to be sure of Sakura's feelings when he fights Sasuke. This is only speculation, but he can't afford to give mercy because he doesn't want to kill the person he thinks she loves. It's not the right mindset, but it wouldn't be OOC to for him. Either he has to know her feelings or he has to realize that he can't afford to hold back with him.

 

Naruto also said that if they fight, they would both die. That doesn't prove that he's willing to kill him, it just tells me Naruto sees Sasuke as an equal. (In strength)

 

About Hinata's confession, I don't think she needs an answer because that isn't what she wanted. She wanted him to know, to let her feelings off her chest. It didn't look like she was asking him "Do you like me too Naruto, yes or no? :umm: "


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:12 PM

Well I think so because we saw her reaction which is shocked, and then he leaves. But either way, she is rejected. To be honest, I do think it's always been dead because it would seem that Sakura in part 2 is about her road to leave the weakness behind and move on to source of strength. It's no wonder we don't hear much about her and Sasuke until last arc since Sasuke could have die, making them feel like it's time to say goodbye, which they recount their feelings. Now, well it seems like it's about going to a better future. While Sasuke is not done, at least he's not destroying villages. Naruto is the same so no change. Sakura is in progress.

 

As for the confession, Naruto didn't reject her, rather change the subject because he was way too confused on why all of it is happening, which is why he changed the subject to why she came here to say that and leave Sasuke in the dust. That's why he said, "It's just strange..." rather "I don't like you, but that...." way. Either way, his feelings is the same as ever, and the confession will have to come back once this is all over.

 

Exactly. Hinata said it as a parting gift, but she is not asking for anything return.

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Kinda reminds me of the Opening (or ending), where sakura walks out of the dark clouds into the sun to meet naruto there.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:17 PM

I wanted to touch on a couple of things.

 

Kishi isn't done with Hinata's feelings yet.

 

This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but I'm pretty certain that Hinata and her feelings for Naruto aren't done yet.  We're still going to see more of them future chapters.

 

633 was the perfect opportunity to have Hinata switch to using Neji as the source of her motivation and confidence, to try for strength in order to honor his memory and sacrifice, to work hard in order to be a worthy clan leader.  This would have been a natural and believable segway to have Hinata move forward from her romantic idolization of Naruto, to grow into her own character instead of constantly using Naruto as a crutch.  And yet, Kishi didn't take that out.

 

He instead chose to have Hinata think once of Neji, brought up the handholding again through her thoughts, including Naruto squeezing her hand this time, and for her to think such a serious thought as "I want to be by Naruto-kun's side forever."

 

We dismissed Hinata's thoughts in 540 and 573.  It was the same one-sided drivel we've always seen from her, so we didn't think anything of it.  But those moments, in hindsight, were clearly building up to 614 and 615.  Whose to say that Hinata's thoughts now are not also leading up to something bigger?  Why bring up the handholding twice after it happened (volume cover and 633), and in such a short amount of time, especially if Kishi was done with Hinata's feelings and wasn't planning to go anywhere with them?  633 just doesn't make any sense in that context.  Thus, Kishi definitely has plans yet for those feelings.

 

 

BUT on the other hand,

its just as obvious that he hasn't had Naruto show any romantic feelings for Hinata at all.  If NaruHina was the route he was planning to go down, then 631 makes no sense.  615 would have been the perfect opportunity to really start developing Naruto looking at Hinata in a different, more romantic light.  To start dropping hints that he's considering her as more than a friend.

 

But instead, he sets it up so that Minato sees Sakura with Naruto, leading him to ask Naruto the question that tells the readers he still has romantic feelings for Sakura, which in turn leads to him confirming that the pairing hint in Kushina's words way back when was always intended to be Sakura.

 

PLUS its undeniable that when looking only at the side who doesn't reciprocate (i.e. Naruto > HInata, Sakura > Naruto, and Sasuke > Sakura) that Sakura is really the only one that KIshi has hinted at actually reciprocating.

 

Sakura has blushed over Naruto multple times, some in obviously romantic contexts (while flirting with him at their reunion in part 2, hugging him at the summit, and then in part one thinking "what is this feeling?") - Naruto has only ever blushed over Hinata when she gave him her proud failure speech and told him she thought that he was a really strong person, which isn't romantic in context, as its the exact same blush Naruto had when Jiraiya told him that Naruto reminded him of Minato - Sasuke blushed over Sakura once when she was jumping all over him during the first bell test (after running across just his head sticking out of the ground and thinking he was dead), but again, the context wasn't indicative of romance, given how he treated her immediately afterwards (and Kishi was really prone to blushes that early in part one).

 

Sakura has flirted with Naruto (at their reunion by asking him if she looked more womanly, and then by offering to feed him ramen).  Neither Naruto or Sasuke have ever flirted with Hinata or Sakura respectively.

 

Sasuke has never initiated positive physical contact with Sakura.  Sakura initiated the hug, which had the blushing crowd behind it and the little girl with the classis "how romantic" pose and expression.  Further, the only other person Sakura has hugged is Sasuke, whom she is canonically in love with.  Naruto initiated the handhold, but didn't give her any particularly special or emotional expression.  The onlookers didn't indicate the hand hold came off as romantic.  He also held Shikamaru's hand the very next chapter.  The hand holding got much more focus than Sakura's hug did, by appearing on a volume cover and then by being brought up again in Hinata's thoughts in addition to being built on (by adding Naruto squeezing her hand), but there was nothing romantic in it from Naruto's side, nor did anything else in the scene indicate that it even came off as such.

 

Third party comments is what really seals the deal.  Shikamaru said "even Sakura" couldn't change Sasuke's mind - it shows some significance that Sakura had for Sasuke, but again, nothing necessarily romantic.  For Naruto we only ever got Kiba's comment, which is a joke compared to the other two's comments (especially since it was ignored completely).  For Sakura, we get Sai talking about her being gentle with Naruto, and speeches about the strength of her feelings and cut off sentences to build suspence.

 

Logically, I think the most likely outcome from this is that Hinata's feelings are going to play some part in future chapters, but it won't lead to her feelings being reciprocated.  Again, if anyone is going to have a change of heart, Sakura is the only one with an actual foundation in the manga to do so, both in regards to her feelings for Naruto AND her feelings for Sasuke.

 

You might be right. But then again Kishi can troll the fandom yet again leaving her feelings for Naruto unresolved even when he got together with Sakura. I see it that way because I don't think Hinata's feelings for him are not important to the story unlike Sakura's feelings. She's a side character either she moves on or stays the same and she won't do a thing about it, I see the second choice happening. She won't let him go keeping her crush and obsession but she's not going to do a thing to approach Naruto, especially if he does get together with Sakura. People shouldn't give Hinata's feelings that much thought with how terrible Kishi has developed her character.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:25 PM

 

You might be right. But then again Kishi can troll the fandom yet again leaving her feelings for Naruto unresolved even when he got together with Sakura. I see it that way because I don't think Hinata's feelings for him are not important to the story unlike Sakura's feelings. She's a side character either she moves on or stays the same and she won't do a thing about it, I see the second choice happening. She won't let him go keeping her crush and obsession but she's not going to do a thing to approach Naruto, especially if he does get together with Sakura. People shouldn't give Hinata's feelings that much thought with how terrible Kishi has developed her character.

Maybe..but then I wonder why bring up Hinata's feelings so much if they won't lead to anything? It must mean something.

 

Kishi's writing style is gives everything and everyone a resolution. That's also a reason why he's dragging the story out with flashbacks and even bringing back the dead. He isn't fond of loose endings.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:37 PM

Maybe..but then I wonder why bring up Hinata's feelings so much if they won't lead to anything? It must mean something.

 

Kishi's writing style is gives everything and everyone a resolution. That's also a reason why he's dragging the story out with flashbacks and even bringing back the dead. He isn't fond of loose endings.

 

My guess is if he does planning to resolve Hinata's feelings then it will be until the last chapter keeping the fans on high hopes that she will get together with Naruto. Best way to troll a fandom lol.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:06 PM

 

My guess is if he does planning to resolve Hinata's feelings then it will be until the last chapter keeping the fans on high hopes that she will get together with Naruto. Best way to troll a fandom lol.

I think NaruHina is kishi's way of keeping NaruSaku fans from getting too confident rather than keeping NaruHina fans hopeful. I mean if things were any more obvious then when NaruSaku becomes cannon it wouldn't be much of a surprise.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:07 PM

My guess is if he does planning to resolve Hinata's feelings then it will be until the last chapter keeping the fans on high hopes that she will get together with Naruto. Best way to troll a fandom lol.

Maan..that's bad writing.

Let's have more faith in Kishi.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:58 PM

Honestly, I don't think Kishi gives a damn. We are the one that are, but quite frankly, he is in too deep with parallel and such. Honestly, if Sakura moves on, too late for anything and if I wasn't on mobile, I would have bolded until it's hard enough to read. The worst is that the event we're in is the final stretch. Get Rin, get the win.




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