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#3581 Paptala

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:08 AM

@4Life:  You make a really good point - I think you're absolutely right about Kishi chosing to make the hand holding the cover because it represents the message of the volume well.  And there certainly isn't a romantic vibe, given that both of them look somber and serious, while looking back at Neji instead of each other.  Its moving forward in the wake of tragedy together.

 

And certainly, Hinata's thoughts in 633 could be about wanting to stand beside Naruto in terms of power - but we know she's in love with Naruto, so if I had to choose being completely objective, I do think that the romantic interpretation is more likely. 

 

Like you said, its too soon to tell really whether or not I'm overanalyzing the importance of these scenes.  Maybe I'm just being overly cautious given past events, but then, I'm the kind of person who'd rather expect the worst and hope for the best. 

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Either way, we both still think that NaruSaku has the best chances for canon in the end.  :thumb:

 

@Inferno:  Given that its been hinted that Sakura isn't consciously aware of her romantic feelings for Naruto, I do think something needs to happen or be said in order for what mental dam she has blocking such acknowledgment - then she'll recall Yamato's and Sai's words and maybe even some of her own actions.  It's cliche, but I wouldn't be surprised if a scene similar to the 2011 OVA occurs where she realizes it because she thinks that Naruto is dead, or for such thoughts to be running through her head as she's watching a potentially fatal blow coming towards Naruto (perhaps as she's running towards him to try and get to him in time).  I think it would have to be a life or death situation at this point to really bring her feelings out to a point where she can't not recognize them for what they are.

 

As for Sasuke, I don't know.  I think we've seen bits and pieces of how Sakura's view of Sasuke is changing for the worse.  At some point, its going to come to a head for her, and she'll either be left wondering at what point she stopped having those sorts of feelings for Sasuke, or realizing/accepting that the Sasuke she loved no longer exists/never existed in the first place.  Again, I wouldn't be surprised if this occured right around the Sasuke v. Naruto fight, especially if Sasuke tries to kill Naruto because of Kurama.

 

But who knows, maybe Sasuke has already done enough and these thoughts are already skirting the edges of Sakura's mind.  Maybe she'll already have arrived at such conclusion by the time Sasuke makes a move to get rid of Kurama through Naruto.  Either way, there's no question that she'll stand on Naruto's side when the time comes.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 03:40 AM

 

Like all fandoms, there are divisions in the japanese fandom. What I am about to post are from conversations I had with fellow Japanese fans around Sakura's Confession, who do not identify as NaruSaku fans. Actually, one of them is a NaruHina fan. I am posting here because there are some good debate topics. I also added things I found on Japanese blogs.

 

Sakura's Confession Conversation

  • point in the story where both Sakura and Naruto do not fully understand each other's feelings. On one side, Sakura believes she is the reason (the promise) of Naruto's suffering over Sasuke. At this point she did not think that Naruto had other reasons besides from her promise and this is widely agreed that Sakura had a misunderstanding of Naruto's feelings. For Naruto, he knows that Sakura is withholding something and is lying, but he does not understand why. He sees the lie because he can see into people's hearts.
  • everyone agrees Sakura was indeed lying. indication is that she could not look at Naruto in the eye and her eyes went to the left, which means she is lying (eye aversion ->lying. to me, I don't really believe in the whole left/right eye movement).
  • someone brought up that it's possible that she misunderstood him on purpose so that Naruto can hate her.
  • a stark contrast of Sakura's hugs to Naruto (first after the Pein arc)

The Hug Part

  • Atmosphere important
  • After the Pein War hug, the hug is considered the "warm" hug because of the warm atmosphere (end of the war, cheering, etc)
  • Confession hug, it is snowing and the hug is considered the "cold" hug. Sakura hugs Naruto so that she does not have to look into his eyes. Knowing she is going to do something unforgivable.
  • white snow -> Sakura's "white" lie
  • Sakura has to realize her "warmth" comes from Naruto.

What was Sakura lying about/true feelings?

  • this part is is pretty tricky. she is lying because she is trying to mislead Naruto from what she is about to do (take down Sasuke) but is she lying about her feelings for Naruto? It is not so easy for anyone to say yes or no. She says them to relieve Naruto from his suffering, is that enough to show that she is affected my Naruto? Sakura is beginning to realize romantic feelings for Naruto.
  • she is saying things she subconsciously knows.
  • Is Sakura still in love with Sasuke? Mostly no.

A Scrutiny on Kiba's Appearance (469) O_O??

  • This part actually really surprised me because I never even thought of it, but it was brought up like 4-5 times. Kiba seems to understand the feelings in the situation? 

 

 

Posted a few days ago, I just want to mention that sharing the opinions of a small group of Japanesse fans mean it equals the opinions of everyone else in that country. It is like saying that all my friends ship Narusaku, which means that the pairing is the most popular pairing.

 

However, with that said, I just want to say that these replies were very interesting. While on his site we have a habit of repeating things that we have already establish, and really grasp on certain details about theories to make them work (the parallel theory being one of the most often brought theory, even when the discussion has nothing to do with it). We have talked about Sakura's confession multiple times on this site, but, in my opinion, it is truly one of the few things from Naruto worth discussing over and over. The scen was so well constructed, and could so easily be interpretate in so many ways. It is those kinds of storytelling that makes fans want to discuss over and over. What was said in this post are things that I haven't seen before, which proves that there is more than meets the eye with that scene.

 

I really dislike seeing posts that simplify the scene by claiming Sakura was just lying, or vice versa, she was telling the truth in some parts. You can't start a conversation like that, and you don't get different views by simply limiting yourself with simply yes and no response. 

 

I wanted to touch on a couple of things.

 

Kishi isn't done with Hinata's feelings yet.

 

This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but I'm pretty certain that Hinata and her feelings for Naruto aren't done yet.  We're still going to see more of them future chapters.

 

633 was the perfect opportunity to have Hinata switch to using Neji as the source of her motivation and confidence, to try for strength in order to honor his memory and sacrifice, to work hard in order to be a worthy clan leader.  This would have been a natural and believable segway to have Hinata move forward from her romantic idolization of Naruto, to grow into her own character instead of constantly using Naruto as a crutch.  And yet, Kishi didn't take that out.

 

He instead chose to have Hinata think once of Neji, brought up the handholding again through her thoughts, including Naruto squeezing her hand this time, and for her to think such a serious thought as "I want to be by Naruto-kun's side forever."

 

We dismissed Hinata's thoughts in 540 and 573.  It was the same one-sided drivel we've always seen from her, so we didn't think anything of it.  But those moments, in hindsight, were clearly building up to 614 and 615.  Whose to say that Hinata's thoughts now are not also leading up to something bigger?  Why bring up the handholding twice after it happened (volume cover and 633), and in such a short amount of time, especially if Kishi was done with Hinata's feelings and wasn't planning to go anywhere with them?  633 just doesn't make any sense in that context.  Thus, Kishi definitely has plans yet for those feelings.

 

 

BUT on the other hand,

its just as obvious that he hasn't had Naruto show any romantic feelings for Hinata at all.  If NaruHina was the route he was planning to go down, then 631 makes no sense.  615 would have been the perfect opportunity to really start developing Naruto looking at Hinata in a different, more romantic light.  To start dropping hints that he's considering her as more than a friend.

 

But instead, he sets it up so that Minato sees Sakura with Naruto, leading him to ask Naruto the question that tells the readers he still has romantic feelings for Sakura, which in turn leads to him confirming that the pairing hint in Kushina's words way back when was always intended to be Sakura.

 

PLUS its undeniable that when looking only at the side who doesn't reciprocate (i.e. Naruto > HInata, Sakura > Naruto, and Sasuke > Sakura) that Sakura is really the only one that KIshi has hinted at actually reciprocating.

 

Sakura has blushed over Naruto multple times, some in obviously romantic contexts (while flirting with him at their reunion in part 2, hugging him at the summit, and then in part one thinking "what is this feeling?") - Naruto has only ever blushed over Hinata when she gave him her proud failure speech and told him she thought that he was a really strong person, which isn't romantic in context, as its the exact same blush Naruto had when Jiraiya told him that Naruto reminded him of Minato - Sasuke blushed over Sakura once when she was jumping all over him during the first bell test (after running across just his head sticking out of the ground and thinking he was dead), but again, the context wasn't indicative of romance, given how he treated her immediately afterwards (and Kishi was really prone to blushes that early in part one).

 

Sakura has flirted with Naruto (at their reunion by asking him if she looked more womanly, and then by offering to feed him ramen).  Neither Naruto or Sasuke have ever flirted with Hinata or Sakura respectively.

 

Sasuke has never initiated positive physical contact with Sakura.  Sakura initiated the hug, which had the blushing crowd behind it and the little girl with the classis "how romantic" pose and expression.  Further, the only other person Sakura has hugged is Sasuke, whom she is canonically in love with.  Naruto initiated the handhold, but didn't give her any particularly special or emotional expression.  The onlookers didn't indicate the hand hold came off as romantic.  He also held Shikamaru's hand the very next chapter.  The hand holding got much more focus than Sakura's hug did, by appearing on a volume cover and then by being brought up again in Hinata's thoughts in addition to being built on (by adding Naruto squeezing her hand), but there was nothing romantic in it from Naruto's side, nor did anything else in the scene indicate that it even came off as such.

 

Third party comments is what really seals the deal.  Shikamaru said "even Sakura" couldn't change Sasuke's mind - it shows some significance that Sakura had for Sasuke, but again, nothing necessarily romantic.  For Naruto we only ever got Kiba's comment, which is a joke compared to the other two's comments (especially since it was ignored completely).  For Sakura, we get Sai talking about her being gentle with Naruto, and speeches about the strength of her feelings and cut off sentences to build suspence.

 

Logically, I think the most likely outcome from this is that Hinata's feelings are going to play some part in future chapters, but it won't lead to her feelings being reciprocated.  Again, if anyone is going to have a change of heart, Sakura is the only one with an actual foundation in the manga to do so, both in regards to her feelings for Naruto AND her feelings for Sasuke.

 

I agree with the post, but I am not Kishi. I don't know how he thinks, nor do I know how the series will end. He could end anyway he wants, and we don't have anything to say about. So NH may still happen, and, in Kishi's mind, it is suppose to make perfect sense in the context of series.

 

Though, that brings me to the underlined part, why did he show Sakura having the most potential of changing her feelings? I guest it could have been a red herring, yet it doesn't really work because Naruto never showed any kind of feelings to Hinata outside of friendship until MAYBE very very very recently (which I will argue weren't romantic). So even as a red herring, he seemed to put more effort into it than it was suppose to be, unless he was attempting a love triangle (which is weird, cause the the Team 7 love triangle has been already establish).

 

While I am not trying to undermine NH's logic (which I have before), I am curious what kind of state of mind Kishi must be that he honestly think NH was the most logical pairing to happen (yet again, not trying to undermine NH fans, there has been many illogical pairings, particularly in anime). Like in the before mention confession scene, he never had anything like that happen between Naruto and Hinata (though, I guess there can be case for Hinata's confession in the Pain arc).

 

EDIT: I just realize that in my post that I made it seem NH fan's belief is illogical, which is, I guess, is sort of the point. Though to be fair to NH fans, I totally understand why they believe NH is the endgame, and why they ship. Both the manga and the anime have shown enough to give fans the impression that Hinata and Naruto may get together. However, I just wish more extreme NH fans (and anti-fans for that matter), to understand why WE ship the pairing and why we think it is the endgame, which I guess was another point of my post. There is enough reasoning behind our responses to at least support the fact that NS has some sort chance of happening. I have never liked any comment that claims that claim the opposite shippers our delusional, as I believe there is enough reasoning for anyone to support either one of those two pairings (though NOT Sasusaku, which is entirely unreasonable and illogical). Besides, like I have complained multiple times before, I blame the outside media for not only giving fans inconsistent support of a single pairing, but for also influencing the main manga story.


Edited by Transformers03, 10 July 2013 - 03:54 AM.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 04:09 AM

Um I specifically said that these were opinions that I gathered from people of different views, I did not say that it was everyone in Japan's. I stated that there are many factions/fandom divisions and I explained points that were the most brought up (common) with these fans and from several blogs. I rather not make generalizations (edit: as in entire fandoms). It was my intention to bring in some debate topic. And so I simplified many of the responses to fit into those posts.

 

I know a couple of people do not view Hinata's feelings for Naruto as love, but I believe so ^^. It's possible that Hinata's feelings are only admiration or her love is for Naruto's nindo. And if that is true, maybe she believes she is also in love with Naruto? I totally agree with Pap's post on that part. Hinata's story had so much potential to be extremely interesting. She has the clan - she's in line to be the successor. Her older cousin, who was stronger than her had just died. I'm sure she was affected by it, I'm not saying she was, however Kishi chose to have a bigger focus on her interactions with Naruto as opposed to her feelings/thoughts on Neji.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:15 AM

@4Life:  You make a really good point - I think you're absolutely right about Kishi chosing to make the hand holding the cover because it represents the message of the volume well.  And there certainly isn't a romantic vibe, given that both of them look somber and serious, while looking back at Neji instead of each other.  Its moving forward in the wake of tragedy together.

 

And certainly, Hinata's thoughts in 633 could be about wanting to stand beside Naruto in terms of power - but we know she's in love with Naruto, so if I had to choose being completely objective, I do think that the romantic interpretation is more likely. 

 

Like you said, its too soon to tell really whether or not I'm overanalyzing the importance of these scenes.  Maybe I'm just being overly cautious given past events, but then, I'm the kind of person who'd rather expect the worst and hope for the best. 

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Either way, we both still think that NaruSaku has the best chances for canon in the end.  :thumb:

 

Well, Hinata hasn't been direct about romance aspect of life, so while yes she loves him, it's not that she is pushing for that dream. What's truly important is her being in line with Naruto and she got that. That said love is usually something that is personal and Hinata isn't pushing it, though the treatment she gets will make her happy in her mind. I think all she did was to say it and that's it. Otherwise, Naruto would have brought it up in 559, Hinata would have brought it up in a direct romance light and so on. At this point, the love from her is not really important at all, and I do mean at all. You can say it's a bonus, though as of late, it feels like a plot string to have Sakura feeling "that" way while healing her, but I digress.

 

No one is right or wrong, but I do believe we may overthinking on the love aspect of the manga until it's being addressed in a direct way, prior to 631. There's no way to twist it in that chapter because it's direct and the idea is in your face. Honestly, at this point, I don't even think Hinata cares for Naruto going with someone else (Sakura). She got what she need and yeah, that's it. She could end up like many female characters from other manga/anime where she either just sidelined forever or encourages (pass the torch) the actual love interest (Sakura) to go to him, though not direct as to say, "Go on a date with him" rather a subtle way like, "Naruto will need someone important. Always be his side." I don't know, I just remember how Fairy Tail done it. In guys' world, they are more direct by saying, "Take care of her and don't let her cry or I will hate you." That's something Rock Lee will do, minus the hate, most likely disappointed.

 

But yeah, like you said, in the end, NS is going to be victorious. We are on the road to how it becomes canon, aren't we. :hehehe:



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:47 AM

@mydearbeloved I meant that Sakura tried to reach the boys hearts with her words but could not, so there is anticipation that she will tell Naruto her feelings again (a confession) so that it will get through to him her true feelings ^^

Ah, I thought so. Thanks for clearing that up! ^^

 

 

I don't really agree with you on this.

 

In the first pic, the translation isn't very well done also.

What Sakura is saying is " Hinata, Naruto no koto..." wich means " Hinata, about Naruto..." if we translate literally.

It's obvious Sakura has just realized that Hinata loves Naruto, but i really don't think the look on her face is sadness because of that fact.

I think, back then, Sakura empathised a lot with Hinata, because she very well could have done the same. That's why she has that face. She understand Hinata so much so she has a touched face. It's like " poor Hinata she risked her life... she must loves Naruto so much... " something like that. You see. It's empathy. Sakura would never think about herself in a situation like that, she's too selfless for that.

 

On the second pic, i think it's just surprise because Hinata isn't like that usually. That time Hinata woke Naruto up in 615, she was strong enough to do it. The old Hinata could have never done that.

I know about the translation, but I don't think that's very important because it's pretty obvious what she was going to say (or think, rather), which is why it was translated that way ("Hinata... loves... Naruto.") Anyway, if she was empathising with Hinata, thinking "she loves Naruto," coupled with an image of Naruto's smile doesn't seem fitting, imo. I think, if that were the case, she would have been thinking something like, "She... risked her life for him." Maybe along with "she must really love him." Hell, she could have thought of the time she had risked her life for him (when she ran up to Naruto in his four-tailed state), too. Sakura is selfless, yes, but she's a human being. She can't help thinking of how she personally feels sometimes.

 

Sakura already knows how bold Hinata can be when it comes to Naruto - case in point, the time she had risked her life during Pein's invasion. I don't see why she would be surprised when she already knows this. Besides, if that were true, why was Sakura specifically chosen to show surprise? She's not particularly close with her. Why couldn't it have been Hiashi, or Kiba, people who know Hinata better than Sakura? Kiba even knows how Hinata feels about Naruto, so that could have worked well. Sakura was also one of the only three individuals (besides Obito and Kakashi) shown reacting to Hinata's little speech. That's significant.

 

@Paptala Great posts! Your posts always a pleasure to read. Yeah, I can't help feeling Kishimoto might do something more with Hinata's feelings. Not reciprocation, of course, but maybe a conversation with Naruto that'll lead to her moving on. I don't know, something like that I guess lol.

 

About Hinata's thoughts in 633 - that's certainly a reason to believe Kishimoto has plans for Hinata's feelings, but I wonder if he chose not to have her focus on Neji, rather than Naruto, because her character has always revolved around Naruto, so it might seem out of place to not think of him, since she always has. Sure, Neji gave his life for her (and Naruto) earlier, but right after his death she thought solely of Naruto, and how his hand is so big and manly. She didn't even thank Neji (right?).

 

Regardless, I think there's definitely a possibility that Kishimoto is going somewhere (not reciprocation) with Hinata's feelings for Naruto. Hinata's a side character, so she's not very important, but she's shown her quite a bit, especially recently. He also seems like the person who wants to resolve mostly everything, including Hinata's feelings, especially since they've been focused on so much lately. If this is true, I'm very interested in where he would go with all that. It has a lot of potential.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:58 AM

Why I get the feeling Hinata has the "Pass the torch" characteristic if Kishi have to solve her feelings? She really seems like the character to do so. I mean the situation in there is getting crucial and all. Hm...Well, who knows. Perhaps my first post could be right, but we'll see. One way or another, NS is going to be grand winner.



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:07 AM

Why I get the feeling Hinata has the "Pass the torch" characteristic if Kishi have to solve her feelings? She really seems like the character to do so. I mean the situation in there is getting crucial and all. Hm...Well, who knows. Perhaps my first post could be right, but we'll see. One way or another, NS is going to be grand winner.

 

As in telling Naruto to not give up. Heh that would be ironic considering this last days shipping wars over MinaKushi. Don't know if Hinata will have any more distinct involvement this volume or regarding the war, but eventually I think her feelings for Naruto will be addressed, and a resolution being  brought forth for her. As for how this will all happen, the only clue we have is that she will stop chasing Naruto after the war.



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:14 AM

I really couldn't stomach more of Hinata... i'm tired of her character because of her existance being orientated by Naruto. Its boring and bland.

 

Anyway cant wait for Obito to open the can of whoop ass :hehehe:


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:21 AM

 

As in telling Naruto to not give up. Heh that would be ironic considering this last days shipping wars over MinaKushi. Don't know if Hinata will have any more distinct involvement this volume or regarding the war, but eventually I think her feelings for Naruto will be addressed, and a resolution being  brought forth for her. As for how this will all happen, the only clue we have is that she will stop chasing Naruto after the war.

Actually, I was referring with Hinata to Sakura. If she is the one to pass it down to her, then it's game over without any continue. It works in many ways, so it favors a lot. Again, Hinata won't tell her directly to date Naruto, but she will leave a great impression of it. It's one of those moments where you don't truly understand unless you are there to hear it yourself. As for many ways, well Kishi is known to backtrack, which is good, who is to say that we won't backtrack to chapter 450 with her smile and "..." Sakura could be confused because she knows Hinata loves Naruto but if Hinata thinks it's perfectly fine, then she will be happy.

 

Then again, who knows. We probably see her get demolished and Sakura being there to help everyone recover asap and such. Don't think she will show a lot anyway. So I don't know but if she has to show up more, it would seem like a pass the torch is in order. It's funny the more I think about it that Minato is really a shield from NH/SS because it seems like one slip up and he will be like "WTF, Naruto, you lied." But who knows. Right now, SS is on the edge and being told to let go to end the suffering and NH is telling SS to give it more time. Not addressing fans, just its pairing. Anyway, NS buildup for confirmation is getting stronger and a parallel moment is getting stronger as well. Take it and you win everything. Maybe that's why Kishi is ending SS sooner than we think. Well, going to miss this "war", but the red flag was the movie, so I can't say I am surprised. Ok, I am.



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:34 AM

@NS4L3g: Yeah I was thinking of the Hinata Minato crack parallel. But passing the torch to Sakura is more probable because Naruto pretty much kept aloof of Hinata's affection but Sakura didn't.

 

As for the parallels it feels that right now all this team 7 parallels are coming to a conclusion. The one left will be Naruto vs. Sasuke but I don't see Hinata doing anything more then either getting hurt from an aoe, fight some fodder or just spy with her eyes. As for Hinata being Naruto's Rin/Kushina I don't see it happening.



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:38 AM

@NS4L3g: Yeah I was thinking of the Hinata Minato crack parallel. But passing the torch to Sakura is more probable because Naruto pretty much kept aloof of Hinata's affection but Sakura didn't.

 

As for the parallels it feels that right now all this team 7 parallels are coming to a conclusion. The one left will be Naruto vs. Sasuke but I don't see Hinata doing anything more then either getting hurt from an aoe, fight some fodder or just spy with her eyes. As for Hinata being Naruto's Rin/Kushina I don't see it happening.

The story didn't create an opening for Hinata to be "Rin" because of many blockage, beginning with Minato. Not to mention, her character is complete different to Rin, rather Sakura shares something about it and it also helps that Naruto is in love with Sakura, so pretty much it's not hard like Kushina = Sakura. Come to think of it, can Obito sense chakra emotions like Naruto? If so, I wonder. Anyway, we can only wait.



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:44 AM

I will not surprise if kishi make another parallel that relate with hashimito.
There are a reason why she mention in kushina flashback but not hashirama's.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:00 AM

The story didn't create an opening for Hinata to be "Rin" because of many blockage, beginning with Minato. Not to mention, her character is complete different to Rin, rather Sakura shares something about it and it also helps that Naruto is in love with Sakura, so pretty much it's not hard like Kushina = Sakura. Come to think of it, can Obito sense chakra emotions like Naruto? If so, I wonder. Anyway, we can only wait.

 

 

It's possible that Obito already knows of Naruto's feelings. Him having maybe the best spy network around and because Zetsu knows of Obito's plans and motivations he may have reported this to him. And it's odd. Not sure when Obito realized he was the same as Naruto, or if Obito wants to destroy everything Minato stood for in order to reject his sensei's teachings the best way for him was to destroy Naruto. Anyway I would find it odd that Obito didn't knew of Naruto's love for Sakura beforehand.



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 10:47 AM

I'm one of those who believe that any similarity between Minato and Sakura are just coincidences, but still this is a funny thing a happened to cross by:

 

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 12:47 PM

Not trying to bash the other fandom. But this picture really answers how important 615 was.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:03 PM

Every time I hear the "Sakura will never love Naruto" argument, I can't help but feel some fans are projecting a bit too much of themselves onto her.
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Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:04 PM

Not trying to bash the other fandom. But this picture really answers how important 615 was.

Not really. The context and meaning of every handholding is different in every picture, you can't compare them.

 

Naruto shaked Gaara's hand. He didn't hold it. That was about friendship.

The SasuNaru kiss doesn't count..it was an accident and they both look kind of disgusted by it.

In the pic where Sakura holds both Naruto and Sasuke's hand, I wonder what they were depressed about. XD I guess she tried to cheer them up.

 

The only pics I agree with are the Shikamaru handholding and NS hug. The NS hug doesn't downplay the NH moment because it was completely different. But then "We have a hug, they have handholding". It also showed a contrast because of the atmosphere, if it was considered romantic by others they would reacted differently. You can't bypass the blushes and "awe-faces" with the hug.

 

The Shikamaru handholding did downplay the NH moment, because if it was supposed to be "their" moment, Kishi probably wouldn't have done this. Imagine if after Sakura hugged him, Kiba and Shikamaru walk up and give him a big "buddy hug".


Edited by sushi., 10 July 2013 - 01:19 PM.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:23 PM

 

 

It's possible that Obito already knows of Naruto's feelings. Him having maybe the best spy network around and because Zetsu knows of Obito's plans and motivations he may have reported this to him. And it's odd. Not sure when Obito realized he was the same as Naruto, or if Obito wants to destroy everything Minato stood for in order to reject his sensei's teachings the best way for him was to destroy Naruto. Anyway I would find it odd that Obito didn't knew of Naruto's love for Sakura beforehand.

Obito can know of Naruto's feelings for Sakura, either by seeing him interacting with Sakura later that will show somehow his feelings, or from when he used to spy on the village like the time he told Kakashi that he stands sometimes in front of his grave.

 

As for Hinata, I think she will have a moment where she'll show us that she's over Naruto or she's moving on. That's the only way I can see it happening. Naruto confronting about her feelings and indirectly rejecting her in a way... I don't think so. It's more like Hinata will show us that she's letting her feelings behind.



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:37 PM

Obito can know of Naruto's feelings for Sakura, either by seeing him interacting with Sakura later that will show somehow his feelings, or from when he used to spy on the village like the time he told Kakashi that he stands sometimes in front of his grave.

 

As for Hinata, I think she will have a moment where she'll show us that she's over Naruto or she's moving on. That's the only way I can see it happening. Naruto confronting about her feelings and indirectly rejecting her in a way... I don't think so. It's more like Hinata will show us that she's letting her feelings behind.

I would want that to happen, but saying she will be with him forever is not a good start. :sweatdrop:

 

As for the handholding and if it was romantic or not..

It had potential. It could go either way. To me it looked like it was going our route, because we've seen Naruto when he is in love before. The way he looks at his respective love interest, blushes etc. He gave her a smile and that's it. This was only a speculation, but I see 631 as a confirmation that it really was platonic.

 

What makes 615 platonic isn't that Naruto has touched other hands before, but that he confirmed his feelings yet again.

 

The only thing I'm curious about is what he looked like when Sakura hugged him. We didn't see his face goddamnit :excited: But I assume it was similar as to when she tried to feed him. It was like he couldn't believe his own eyes and even questioned himself if it was real. The hug was like that too :hm:... headcanon I guess.

 

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I think we'll get a small N>S moment soon. Whenever the time comes for Sakura to kick butt. I saw a post on tumblr, basically it said Naruto fell in love with Sakura's fighting spirit in the first place. That is true, because whenever she shows it he gives her the smile that is only for her..that special smile you know? It happened at the end of 631, and when Sakura punched the ground in the belltest right after the timeskip. I never get tired of those faces. :smug:


Edited by sushi., 10 July 2013 - 01:57 PM.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:25 PM

Here's something funny I noticed in Road to Ninja. To give context it's when Naruto and Sakura discuss the different personalities of everyone in the bathhouse. Sakura asks Naruto if Sasuke also changed and here's how Naruto responds:

 

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And Sakura simply says:

 

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So Sakura also agrees that Sasuke is an arrogant bastard. :lmao:

 

It's nice to see how far Sakura has come with her attitude towards Sasuke. In Part 1 she would've smacked Naruto for even daring to imply Sasuke was less than perfect.

 

Something like this should happen in the manga as well. Sakura finally recognizing that Sasuke can have annoying flaws would be the perfect closure to her development towards him.






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