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[Otaru]

 

I don't think kishi cares about his work anymore he just wants to finish as soon as possible.

 

I think you're really are fooling yourself about this.

The way he's writing things shows without any doubt that he's ENJOYING himself and that he wants to wrap everything and please us.

He's dedicated to his work 'til the end.

[ramenanmitsu]

What do people from Japan think about Obito?

Obito is very popular and have a lot of fans (unfortunately for me). But in regards to this chapter there was a lot of disappointment from people towards Naruto and how he called Obito cool. The reason why people felt disappointment is not only because Obito is a mass murderer, but also because they now view Naruto as a Narcisstic self-absorved person. In their logic, Naruto praising an enemy just for the sake of sharing the same dream is nothing but Naruto praising himself. They see it as an extension of Naruto calling his own self cool.

And then there's this usual Kakashi bashing again in 2ch......sigh, he's the best character in team seven.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 31 July 2014 - 01:25 AM.

[questdrivencollie]

I feel like people keep forgetting that naruto is about both hero and villain and why they do what they do. It makes me pull my hair out when purple are constantly just asking for more action our more romance.

Kishi said himself (i read in an interview a while back) that his manga didn't necessarily focus on the combat, but the intentions behind their actions.
 

I like that fact. If it was all about fighting, I'd probably have lost interest by now.

Edited by questdrivencollie, 31 July 2014 - 01:28 AM.

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I don't know but for some reason, his chapters often place Naruto at top 3 list in SJ voting.

Hmm that's interesting 

Obito is very popular and have a lot of fans (unfortunately for me). But in regards to this chapter there was a lot of disappointment from people towards Naruto and how he called Obito cool. The reason why people felt disappointment is not only because Obito is a mass murderer, but also because they now view Naruto as a Narcisstic self-absorved person. In their logic, Naruto praising an enemy just for the sake of sharing the same dream is nothing but Naruto praising himself. They see it as an extension of Naruto calling his own self cool.

And then there's this usual Kakashi bashing again in 2ch......sigh, he's the best character in team seven.

Popular eh? As I thought

Wow, Japanese fans are so nice. They're just disappointed in Naruto while a lot of western fans are calling him a really bad MC and one of the worst ever. Even their reasoning is different...

How come Kakashi is bashed? I thought he was loved every where

Thanks for the info btw

[tekopi]

I know some of you probably will don't like what I'm gonna say, but...Just read back the manga. I still got all teary on the last page   . Damn being all emo.

 

I recall that, there also redeemable villain in other shounen as well. Such as Seita Soujiro and Yukyuzan Anji in Samurai X. Even FT, Gajeel and Juvia got lost in their ways at the beginning before Makarov took them in. But, I remember in Gajeel-Makarov scene, Makarov stated that he is beyond forgiving Gajeel for hurting his 'children', but abandoning him and let him astray is not a good choice either. Probably not as big as Obito's role, but something like that.

 

This chapter also mark the end of Kamui. So long, dimension travel. We won't meet again~~

Edited by tekopi, 31 July 2014 - 03:28 AM.

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This is what takL translated

don't laugh at Obito! 
The Obito that aimed to be Hokage was...in my eyes...
Nothing less than badass! 
(=Obito aimed to be Hokage...which is, if you ask me ...
nothing but badass!)

Edited by TheMagicConch, 31 July 2014 - 03:30 AM.

[rikakim94]

Hmm that's interesting 

Popular eh? As I thought

Wow, Japanese fans are so nice. They're just disappointed in Naruto while a lot of western fans are calling him a really bad MC and one of the worst ever. Even their reasoning is different...

How come Kakashi is bashed?I thought he was loved every where

Thanks for the info btw

 

In the west im used to sakura getting bashed the most. 

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In the west im used to sakura getting bashed the most. 

Yea, that's why it feels so weird to hear that Kakashi gets bashed 

[ramenanmitsu]

Hmm that's interesting 

Popular eh? As I thought
Wow, Japanese fans are so nice. They're just disappointed in Naruto while a lot of western fans are calling him a really bad MC and one of the worst ever. Even their reasoning is different...
How come Kakashi is bashed? I thought he was loved every where
Thanks for the info btw

Nice? Not really. There are a lot of Naruto bashing but they do it in the anti-thread. The reason why is because in the chapter thread if you bash Naruto you'll be called a Sasuke fangirl, if you bash Sasuke you'll be called a Naruto fangirl, if you bash Sakura you'll be called a jealous Obito fangirl. Sometimes there are a lot of arguments regarding who is better, Naruto or Sasuke. And things get really messy. So, people prefer to do it in their own area.

(FYI, the character with the most bashing threads is Hinata, which is really sad because she doesn't appear at all and yet she gets more hate than the team seven members. )

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 31 July 2014 - 04:43 AM.

[tricksie]

I've thought about this for a while - the whole flashback with Rin is weirdly unsatisfying, on two levels.

 

First - it has always bothered me in past chapters Rin's statements about "I'm watching you." "You can't hide anything from me." "Don't try to hide your wounds from me." In Obito's story, there is never a time where he is shown hiding things, or feeling guilty about hiding them. There is no burden that he bears like Naruto with the Kyuubi. Obito seems like a fairly well-adjusted kid with two parents and a home, and who has a crush and some jealousy issues. Nothing crazy or weird. No obvious inner turmoil. So why does Rin feel the need to make this big "I'm watching you" speech? Not that Rin wouldn't be that type of caring girl...just that it doesn't fit with Obito's storyline. He isn't the type of kid who needs some extra special help from being 'watched over.' (Or did Rin already recognize he was budding psychopath?!   )

 

Second - the flashback with Rin in this chapter when she states "I'm watching you" begs the question from Obito: "So, um...what did you think of everything I've done...for you...?" It puts it front and center that Rin was watching him. But in the moment of some kind of guilt, where she should weigh in and not be just a figurehead that he put on a pedestal and made his muse for destruction, she just says, "Eh, it's all water under the bridge." It's friggin crazy!

 

Obito annihilates people left and right in the name of love, but when Rin finally is given a voice in the manga, Obito's whole responsibility is just swept away. How can she be truly watching him and not abhor everything that he's done, everything that he's turned into?

 

I'll tell you how: by framing it in a flashback that happens in the distant past. The Obito that comes for resolution is still an untainted child. The Rin that accepts him is still a child. Neither of them admit the very grown-up things he did. Showing Obito as a child in his final death moments shows how really warped he is. He doesn't seem himself as a grown up. Therefore how could he be responsible for these awful things? I can't think of any other character reverting back to their childhood in their final moments of lucidity. 

 

It would have made more sense to have grown-up Obito reconnect with Rin in that nether-space that Kakashi met his father (remember, at a campfire or something?). Then Obito would have been given a true absolution from Rin, the one he held above all others, rather than Naruto, a person he only saw as a weapon up until only a few short chapters ago. That would have been a much more satisfying ending.

 

Anyway, regardless of the sappy ending, Obito still equals a Hitler-esque figure for me in this story. So, wrapping it up this way, with Obito reverting to his childhood self-image and getting a pass from his 12-year-old crush, seems no less hollow than Hitler getting one to absolve all his terrible deeds.

 

/end rant 

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Nice? Not really. There are a lot of Naruto bashing but they do it in the anti-thread. The reason why is because in the chapter thread if you bash Naruto you'll be called a Sasuke fangirl, if you bash Sasuke you'll be called a Naruto fangirl, if you bash Sakura you'll be called a jealous Obito fangirl. Sometimes there are a lot of arguments regarding who is better, Naruto or Sasuke. And things get really messy. So, people prefer to do it in their own area.

(FYI, the character with the most bashing threads is Hinata, which is really sad because she doesn't appear at all and yet she gets more hate than the team seven members. )

Oh so it's kinda like NF(with the Anti-threads and stuff), which I guess makes sense for Naruto haters to bash him over this(I assume some fans are too). How is hating on Sakura related to Obito?

NvS? It's a mess in every forum

A lot of Hinata bashing threads...just the opposite of us

 

Also if it's not to much to ask, can you translate this?:睨むナルト「オビトを笑うなっ！！火影になろうとしたオビトは…オレには…かっこよくしか見え ねェーよ！！ 」

六道仙人 already did in here, but I like to see what other translators have to say(plus you explain it pretty nicely) 

[咲耶姫]

Oh so it's kinda like NF(with the Anti-threads and stuff), which I guess makes sense for Naruto haters to bash him over this(I assume some fans are too). How is hating on Sakura related to Obito?

NvS? It's a mess in every forum

A lot of Hinata bashing threads...just the opposite of us

 

Also if it's not to much to ask, can you translate this?:睨むナルト「オビトを笑うなっ！！火影になろうとしたオビトは…オレには…かっこよくしか見え ねェーよ！！ 」

六道仙人 already did in here, but I like to see what other translators have to say(plus you explain it pretty nicely) 

If you want differents translations, I'll give my 2 cents:

Naruto who is intensly staring "Don't laugh at Obito!! Obito wanted to become Hokage... To me... He can only be seen as cool!"

 

There is no "the most cool guy". He's clearly talking about the fact Obito wanted to become Hohage, thus making him cool. It's implied that to him, if he wanted to become hokage, he could only be cool. 

 

火影になろうとした (hokage ni narou tokitteno) Wanted to become hokage

オビトは(Obito ha(wa)) Obito / Concerning Obito

The はcan be translated as concerning this fact/this thing (the thing that is said before, in this case Obito who wanted to become Hokage) So Naruto says "concerning the Obito who wanted to become Hokage"

オレには(Ore ni ha (wa)) To me

かっこよく(Kakkoyoku) Cool 　しか(Shika) only 　見えねェーよ(Mieneeyo) can be seen

Edited by 咲耶姫, 31 July 2014 - 05:19 AM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

I've thought about this for a while - the whole flashback with Rin is weirdly unsatisfying, on two levels.

 

First - it has always bothered me in past chapters Rin's statements about "I'm watching you." "You can't hide anything from me." "Don't try to hide your wounds from me." In Obito's story, there is never a time where he is shown hiding things, or feeling guilty about hiding them. There is no burden that he bears like Naruto with the Kyuubi. Obito seems like a fairly well-adjusted kid with two parents and a home, and who has a crush and some jealousy issues. Nothing crazy or weird. No obvious inner turmoil. So why does Rin feel the need to make this big "I'm watching you" speech? Not that Rin wouldn't be that type of caring girl...just that it doesn't fit with Obito's storyline. He isn't the type of kid who needs some extra special help from being 'watched over.' (Or did Rin already recognize he was budding psychopath?!   )

 

Second - the flashback with Rin in this chapter when she states "I'm watching you" begs the question from Obito: "So, um...what did you think of everything I've done...for you...?" It puts it front and center that Rin was watching him. But in the moment of some kind of guilt, where she should weigh in and not be just a figurehead that he put on a pedestal and made his muse for destruction, she just says, "Eh, it's all water under the bridge." It's friggin crazy!

 

Obito annihilates people left and right in the name of love, but when Rin finally is given a voice in the manga, Obito's whole responsibility is just swept away. How can she be truly watching him and not abhor everything that he's done, everything that he's turned into?

 

I'll tell you how: by framing it in a flashback that happens in the distant past. The Obito that comes for resolution is still an untainted child. The Rin that accepts him is still a child. Neither of them admit the very grown-up things he did. Showing Obito as a child in his final death moments shows how really warped he is. He doesn't seem himself as a grown up. Therefore how could he be responsible for these awful things? I can't think of any other character reverting back to their childhood in their final moments of lucidity. 

 

It would have made more sense to have grown-up Obito reconnect with Rin in that nether-space that Kakashi met his father (remember, at a campfire or something?). Then Obito would have been given a true absolution from Rin, the one he held above all others, rather than Naruto, a person he only saw as a weapon up until only a few short chapters ago. That would have been a much more satisfying ending.

 

Anyway, regardless of the sappy ending, Obito still equals a Hitler-esque figure for me in this story. So, wrapping it up this way, with Obito reverting to his childhood self-image and getting a pass from his 12-year-old crush, seems no less hollow than Hitler getting one to absolve all his terrible deeds.

 

/end rant 

 

Although, Hitler was not manipulated from another individual the way Madara or BZ was. Not anything i read on him

[luffyq1]

Whatever praising term you can think of, none of them should even be associated with someone as despicable as Obito. I honestly don't give a damn what his goals were, all of that is erased because of the amount of bodies he's stacked on the death toll. Hypothetically speaking, if Hitler wanted to run for Presidency as a little boy, would he be considered cool or awesome? Would people even care knowing all the blood he spilled? I'm sorry, but my opinion of Obito will never change.

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If you want differents translations, I'll give my 2 cents:

Naruto who is intensly staring "Don't laugh at Obito!! Obito wanted to become Hokage... To me... He can only be seen as cool!"

so far three different translations for the last part (cool,badass, and handsome)

Thank you for your interpretation though

[Hiraishin]

In Obito's story, there is never a time where he is shown hiding things, or feeling guilty about hiding them. There is no burden that he bears like Naruto with the Kyuubi. Obito seems like a fairly well-adjusted kid with two parents and a home, and who has a crush and some jealousy issues. Nothing crazy or weird. No obvious inner turmoil. So why does Rin feel the need to make this big "I'm watching you" speech? Not that Rin wouldn't be that type of caring girl...just that it doesn't fit with Obito's storyline. He isn't the type of kid who needs some extra special help from being 'watched over.' (Or did Rin already recognize he was budding psychopath?!   )

Actually Obito didn't know his parents and wanted acknowledgment, like Naruto did. We learned that after Naruto looked inside his heart or whatever.

[ramenanmitsu]

@tricksie
Agreed with your post but only one thing. I thought Obito was an orphan. Is this my misunderstanding?

Oh so it's kinda like NF(with the Anti-threads and stuff), which I guess makes sense for Naruto haters to bash him over this(I assume some fans are too). How is hating on Sakura related to Obito?
NvS? It's a mess in every forum
A lot of Hinata bashing threads...just the opposite of us
 
Also if it's not to much to ask, can you translate this?:睨むナルト「オビトを笑うなっ！！火影になろうとしたオビトは…オレには…かっこよくしか見え ねェーよ！！ 」
六道仙人 already did in here, but I like to see what other translators have to say(plus you explain it pretty nicely)

I agree with 咲耶姫's translation word to word.

Some people assume that Sakura haters are Obito fangirls who are jealous with the recent ObiSaku interaction.

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Actually Obito didn't know his parents and wanted acknowledgment, like Naruto did. We learned that after Naruto looked inside his heart or whatever.

Not to mention he wasn't the most talented uchiha iirc 

 

@tricksie
Agreed with your post but only one thing. I thought Obito was an orphan. Is this my misunderstanding?

I agree with 咲耶姫's translation word to word.

Some people assume that Sakura haters are Obito fangirls who are jealous with the recent ObiSaku interaction.

Edited by TheMagicConch, 31 July 2014 - 05:24 AM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Whatever praising term you can think of, none of them should even be associated with someone as despicable as Obito. I honestly don't give a damn what his goals were, all of that is erased because of the amount of bodies he's stacked on the death toll. Hypothetically speaking, if Hitler wanted to run for Presidency as a little boy, would he be considered cool or awesome? Would people even care knowing all the blood he spilled? I'm sorry, but my opinion of Obito will never change.

 

So this means Oro and Kabuto gets more praises than Obito? They have done a lot of fouler things than Obi. Truth is that i hated kishi for making him to be a villain and ruined his character. Obito had such a place until the unveiling of the orange mask as he turned out to be Tobi after all, responsible for Naruto's parents, Neji and countless fodders deaths.

Edited by Konoha'sCrimsonFox, 31 July 2014 - 05:23 AM.

[ramenanmitsu]

Does anyone think that Naruto would have still called Obito a cool guy even if he
-killed Sasuke
-raped Sakura
-murdered Naruto's kids ten years later
-destroyed Konoha

Where exactly do you think is Naruto's breaking point?

Edit:
My nephew was born yesterday. I usually hate kids but when I saw him I can't help but want to protect him and give all my love to him. If anyone dared kidnap him I'll probably rip that person's kitten off. If an emotionally lacking person such as myself feel so much for someone who's not even my kid, I can only wonder how much anger I will have if it was my own kid. And so realistically speaking I cannot understand Naruto and the way Kishi thinks. Kishi has a kid too right? Would he be able to forgive someone that were to murder his own kid just to prove a point? I cannot understand his message anymore.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 31 July 2014 - 05:34 AM.