Legendary Ninja
Posted 11 January 2014 - 03:25 AM
No one read spoilers, the chapter is being released on wednesday and there's no one providing Naruto spoilers anymore.
Ohana/2ch stopped doing spoilers a long time ago.
Some spoilers for Naruto are released from time to time, it's not that often but it happens sometimes. Still, they definitely don't come from Ohana who, from what I hear, only gives the One Piece spoilers nowadays.
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 11 January 2014 - 03:48 AM
it's like horse rider, if you seperate it, you only get a horse and a rider. Just like how jinchuriki, especially the perfect one.
I use gara sand because the ability come from shukaku. the same I believe with yugito blue flame, three tail host water something, four tail host lava release, and so on. that's the ability the host get from the bijuu and will remain even if the jinchuriki lost it's bijuu.
random : kurama has godzilla like ability.
and what I mean about uzumaki fuinjutsu is the technique use by his own clan, and it's not kekkei genkai I believe. only has certain requirement that only an uzumaki can use it like maybe that fuuinjutsu use life force(speculation).
as soon as Jiraiya performing his fire seal to seal amaterasu. it's give me an idea about how powerful fuinjutsu can be, even more powerful than genjutsu. I mean this technique can make a god into a living battery.
and naruto will not perform in this arc, I believe kishi will prolong naruto with a last training arc in the next arc which I believe kishi will use that training arc to give power up to sasuke and sakura(of course this is just a speculation).
and I will say this again, this war arc is a recycle of chuunin arc + some story from sasuke pursuit arc(the genins and sand sibling)
oh another speculation from me, naruto next power up in this war arc would come from the power of
(romantic)love
that's how much i love that pairing 
Some spoilers for Naruto are released from time to time, it's not that often but it happens sometimes. Still, they definitely don't come from Ohana who, from what I hear, only gives the One Piece spoilers nowadays.
But aren't all of the Naruto spoilers that are released are usually fake cus like Dαrkrєrsŧ said i haven't seen any real spoilers for Naruto myself in a very long time ?
Ally of NaruSaku
Posted 11 January 2014 - 07:28 AM
Kurama's insight of Uciha's psyche and techniques didn't help Naruto one bit,and he's currently witnessing Sasuke's abilities first hand also Naruto's the one who knows/understands Sasuke the best , do you honestly think he's gonna need Kuramas's insight on this don't think so i don't see how Kurama knowing Sasukes potential help's him one bit when Naruto already knows this things.
On the contrary, it was Kurama's insight that allowed Naruto to originally grasp that the Jubi was comprised of natural energy. An important detail which contributed to Naruto formulating the strategy that allowed him to damage Tobi when he was still the Jubi's jinchuuriki (fighting natural energy with natural energy).
We can also give thanks to Kurama for his information about the effects of his chakra and sage chakra mixing that allowed Naruto to combine his two modes together to create a single powerful form. Naruto was so ignorant that he had forgotten about that instance where the two chakras intermingled during his confrontation with Nagato.
His words relating to Sasuke's chakra being even more forboding than Madara's is coming true. Moreover, he was able to grasp the instances when Madara attempted to summon him from Naruto (a state of being which was apparently harming him enough where he was hunched over in pain).
The difficulties facing Naruto in the road ahead made him realise that he needed Kurama to face Sasuke. By his own admittance, he was weaker than him (his MS state).
he already knows about those stuff by witnessing/learning on his own, he knows what to expect from them evidence Itachi & Nagato vs Naruto & KB
Not quite. If he didn't receive his information from the bijuu then it was usually Kakashi who explained the mechanics of specific techniques acquirable through MS. Naruto was practically clueless as to how the Sharingan operated for much of the early manga. Excluding his fight with Sasuke at the Valley of the End, Tobi (an opponent who he was a very difficult time against without Kakashi's Kamui), and the three brief encounters with Itachi, he hasn't had much experience in fighting against it.
All of that information gathered is the result of first-hand accounts from those around him. Those who wielded the Sharingan or had information regarding it. Naruto had never even come into contact with an MS technique until his encounter with Itachi at the hotel and since then he's shown very little in the way of countering those abilities (notwithstanding the precognition during his first battle with Sasuke where he used Kurama's chakra to overcome it)
And should we overlook the benefits of Sasuke's EMS restoring his eyesight can he fight blind like Madara and i doubt that without his eyes restored that he can use his genjutsu or amaterasu like the sussano (i still can't believe Kishi did that )
Reclaiming something that you lost isn't an addition though. His vision was perfectly fine before he started using the Mangekyou. The ability to see was just returned to the state that it was at before.
That was the whole basis of developing EMS in the first place. Someone who developed MS began a gradual descent into blindness which could not be reversed without the taking of another Uchiha's Sharingan. Developing a 4th eye technique was just an unexpected bonus.
and we still haven't seen what the PS can do except cut mountains and to mention the endurance it has we still don't know if it can or can't tank a BD.
Assuming Naruto actually lost Kurama, the Bijudama would have been removed from play. Whether or not it could have damaged Perfect Susanoo is just idle speculation until he takes back his jichuuriki status.
Also the added intelligence helps him only in resisting genjustsu it doesn't dictate how he fights or takes away from his ability to come up with a plan to strike on his own which even Tobirama praised him for it
It also helps him to offset any lapses of stupidity like when he began charging headfirst at Tobi despite already being aware of his weakness. Also, his contributions in intelligence and strategy were shown firsthand in #610 when he took the lead and was instructing everyone on how to attack the Jubi. It's not a dismissal of Naruto's unpredictable savviness, but an acknowledgement of what Kurama is capable of as a tactician. Cooperating with his bijuu and trusting in his ability to succeed is one of the core principals of Naruto's approach to combat now.
and yes it did gave them/him insight about the juubi but like i said that's something that only he would know along with the rest of the bijuus since they were once originally a part of it .
His understanding of the Uchiha, awareness of how Madara operates, and of their tendency to use genjutsu to hypnotize enemies is knowledge which none of the other bijuu could have acquired except from what they have been able to learn in this recent fight (whether it's practical knowledge or not).
Ultimately EMS and BM are not their own powers but they have the potential to achieve them Sasuke's eyes are the only ones that can evolve by adding another set of eyes and Naruto's body chakra is the only one that can maintain/suppress the Kyuubi's chakra and what we should count is what they can do with this powers and their ability to use it, is it fair to others no but it is what it is , and if we took away these powers what do we have a half blind MS Sasuke vs SM Naruto and how can we compare this s**t then.
What EMS does for Sasuke is restore his eyesight and bolsters his own ocular power with that of the donor's,
it took out all of his weaknesses and double his power, it hardly seems as little as you make it out to be.
Besides Perfect Susanoo, there is nothing else that EMS offers. I already explained the differing benefits between the two modes. I'll make a list of the things given by their respective modes.
Chakra Mode/Kurama Mode/Bijuu Mode
1. Increased strength
2. Increased speed
3. Increased stamina (an amount equal to that of the most powerful bijuu currently in existence sans the Jubi)
4. Protective shroud (resistant enough to endure a Bijudama from the Jubi)
5. Auto-healing abilities (powerful enough to regenerate a lung and close an open gap in muscle, tissue, ect.)
6. Chakra appendages (can be used in a myriad of ways to gain the upperhand in close quarters combat, formulate jutsu more easily, or it could be used defencively like when Naruto resisted the impact of Nagato's Bansho Tenin)
7. Bijudama
8. Resistance to genjutsu
9. Additional intelligence and potential for team based strategies
Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan
1. Permanent eyesight
2. Perfect Susanoo (a massive juggernaut of offence and defence, it's said to have power comparable to that of the bijuu)
3. Aesthetic modification to Susanoo (a mixture between the designs of the two original warriors from the two MS pairs)
4. Mobile Susanoo (legs)
5. Reduced strain on eyes and body (it removed the weaknesses plaguing MS, similar to the corrosive shroud of the tailed modes)
True, the PS does offer some rivalry to the BM, but the increase to stats, healing perks, and the addition of a partner give the jinchuuriki an edge in diversity, endurance, and numbers.
drastically reduces the chakra draining and overall strain on the body and the eyes from its usage and gives him the PS ,
Where was this stated in the manga? EMS was only shown to remove the detrimental effects that MS had on the user's body. Do you have a chapter and page number that specifically mentions this reduction in chakra drainage?
And what Naruto doesn't uses his mind when he's fighting ? The only thing that Kurama dictates is whether or not he chooses to give him chakra,
This was already explained above. Kurama provides valuable intel on the specifics of the enemy and their own skills. He has also proven himself to be a very capable military leader.
what's Naruto doing with that chakra is entirely his feat,it doesn't take away from him for what he has done in this war even after he release the seal it's Naruto's mind/body who controls that chakra not Kurama.
I never said that it was because of Kurama assuming control of Naruto's body that he could use those modes efficiently, only that he provided valuable intel and that he made for a good military strategist.
Although it is true that without Kurama, none of this would be possible. Without the bijuu's chakra, there is no BM, no Bijudama, no chakra appendages, no auto-restoration perks (he'll have to rely on whatever senjutsu can afford him). And as the character himself admitted, Kurama was the most necessary asset to matching Sasuke. So yes, in many ways, without that bijuu, Naruto wouldn't be where he is now. And Sasuke wouldn't be where he is now without EMS because he needed it to restore his vision. He'd be in an even worse condition than Naruto.
There are a lot of inconsistencies in this manga but it doesn't take away from what can Amaterasu really do and it was shown to us that it can melt rocks,
It shows that the usefulness of the jutsu is dependent on the circumstances of the manga. But the conflicting feats that it had still stand. Amaterasu is weak to anyone with the defences or reaction skills to avoid it. That is exactly what Naruto had in BM.
These characters have been causing geographical damage with their bodies since the early arcs of Part 1. They've resisted fire based jutsu with little more than scorch marks on their bodies. Even Amaterasu can be easily managed by those that have the ability to counter it.
what also makes it dangerous is that it's an instant shoot and it's also versatile he can shape it and use it in any form he likes whether for offence or defense , just because Naruto has the means to escape it doesn't mean that it doesn't pose a threat to him.
The bijuu shroud makes it ineffective though. If it can resist the power of the Jubi, then some inextinguishable flames with inconsistent burning feats shouldn't be too difficult for it. The shroud is reparable and similar to Naruto placing the FTG marking on Sasuke, the piece with the flames can be dissipated.
If anything, it would just give Naruto one more tool to use since the flames can be easily spread to Sasuke himself if he were to be attacked by BM as the flames are on it. It would be his own variation of Kagutsuchi Susanoo.
This one i don't know but if it isn't a lesser version of Tsukuyomi than what is it just a powerful MS/EMS genjutsu ? will have to wait and see on this one but didn't he used it read Zetsu's mind ? although his genjutsu/Tsukuyomi isn't on Itachi's level it's still pose a threat to Naruto.
It's just a typical Sharingan genjutsu. Mangekyou Sharingan only provides two techniques. We already know what Sasuke's two abilities are. What he's using are generic illusions.
Yeah i meant reserves. Then from where did his chakra come from so for him to be able to stabilize it,even if the EMS drastically reduces the chakra draining and overall strain on his body and eyes if that's the case than how can he stabilize it without the additional chakra it's not like he trained so his chakra increased , and if this's not the case then by now he should have been down on his knees by now ?
Who says that it requires any chakra expenditure at all? Madara was manipulating his Susanoo, causing it to enter into its ultimate stage. Itachi was able to create a perfect MS Susanoo while blind and having no chakra remaining. It's just a natural evolutionary development that can be brought on easily.
Even if it did require chakra to create the Perfect Susanoo, it may just have a greater toll on Sasuke's already existing pool.
I didn't said that his chakra now is equal on Naruto's and Kuramas level and more stamina doesn't mean that you instantly win if that's the case than Juubito would have been the winner it just means that you can stay longer in battle .
That example isn't too accurate. The reason for Tobi's defeat was that his resolve wasn't great enough to overpower Naruto's. In the final exchange, his weapon of choice was said to be powered by the emotional state of its user. Tobi was already in an uncertain state of mind when their powers collided.
If there were no subconscious misgivings about the life he could have lead, Tobi would have likely won. The Alliance was already at the end of its rope before he even became a jinchuuriki. Without the intervention of the Edo Hokages, they would have all been killed in #630.
Stamina isn't the sole determining factor in a fight, but it gives you the means to continue fighting for periods of time greater than what your opponent may be able to endure who would have already succumbed to exhaustion. And for someone whose strengths and defences are dependent on chakra, it means that the greater amount of chakra that they have provides them with higher quality results.
And no EMS doesn't give him healing abilities but restoring your eyes never to lose their light again it's a pretty big thing to don't you think so ,
No, I don't. Because it's not contributing anything to make him more powerful or offering anything that he didn't already possess. It just removes a fatal weakness to the abilities he already had.
also where is that regeneration power now if that was the case why would he need a medic to heal a simple wound and all of that happen when Kurama's chakra was toxic for him can he regenerate now dunno
What scene are you talking about? From what I recall, Naruto hasn't required any healing when using Kurama's chakra (he generally doesn't even have any marks on him). Throughout the entire battle when they had access to the bijuu's chakra, the Alliance was relatively safe and healthy up until the Shinju was released. Medical ninja have only been called to service when Kurama's chakra was unavailable or if there was a threat of chakra deprivation.
plus his healing abilities might also come from the fact that he's an Uzumaki we only know that he's healing faster with Krama's chakra.
Uzumaki heritage was never said to have any auto-restorative perks. They're known for their longevity which is a different concept. Being unscathed like Naruto was is a product of Kurama's chakra by itself.
I get what you are saying but why does that take away from what Naruto can do with the chakra he has just because he can switch with Kurama and he switched 3 or 4 times and it lasted no more than a few seconds minute at most and it's not like he cant control that chakra,pass it to others,form a BD,attack with it ,defend with it on his own
Again, this isn't an effort to try and discredit Naruto's accomplishments. I'm merely addressing the fact that Naruto is operating with two chakras and two minds synchronised, fighting together. Not having the consciousness and abilities of a bijuu, Sasuke is limited to what his own mind and body can muster. That's the difference between them.
Edited by Atheck, 12 January 2014 - 03:16 AM.
Ally of NaruSaku
Posted 11 January 2014 - 07:29 AM
and it's not like he doesn't know how is he supposed to fight against genjutsu on his own which he stated when he was facing Itachi&Nagato
Nagato doesn't use genjutsu though and Naruto was at Itachi's mercy immediately after the "fight" began. There have been no signs or developments to suggest that Naruto has improved on his personal defences. He relies on his teammates to counter illusions.
and i doubt that Sasuke's chakra is his own when he says i can feel Itachi's power flowing thru me.
Besides the chakra in his eyes and the flesh on his chest, it's all comprised by him.
I pointed that out in an earlier post. The chakra doesn't seem to have any noticeable effects apart from the aesthetic changes made to Susanoo (unless Perfect Susanoo is confirmed to be the result of the two chakras mixing).
It doesn't seem fair that Naruto's feats are always taken away from him in order to glorify Sasuke's just because he has a sentient being within him when neither of their powers are their own, and they should be judged by what they can do with the powers they have now and again what would we have if they didn't have these extensions on them a SM Naruto vs MS Sasuke . All of this Sasuke's better than Naruto just because Sasuke doesn't have sentient being just doesn't seam right with me and even Sasuke praised Naruto him self for the things that HE can do , but if you see it that way all i can do is agree to disagree with you.
With the exception of Perfect Susanoo and mobile Susanoo, everything in Sasuke's arsenal was acquired through his own strengths (Orosuke is an exception but he lost those powers long ago). Kurama impacts every quality of a shinobi. Strength, speed, stamina, versatility, defence...
As for SM Naruto vs MS Sasuke... I don't think it's as clear-cut now as it was before. Not with the improvements made to the Rasenshuriken. On the other hand, we never got the opportunity to see what Sasuke's perfected MS Susanoo was capable of. I still lean towards Sasuke but that's just me.
I apologize for the double posting.
Edited by Atheck, 11 January 2014 - 07:29 AM.
And guess what's inside it
Posted 12 January 2014 - 04:31 AM
Naruto may have been knocked out. But on the third day he will rise again, in fulfillment of the awesomeness.
Well in this case...on the third issue.
H&E Interpol Agent
Posted 13 January 2014 - 04:50 AM
Naruto may have been knocked out. But on the third day he will rise again, in fulfillment of the awesomeness.
LOL! Christianity reference!
What's Happening with the Naruto series as of now!
Missing-nin
Posted 13 January 2014 - 08:58 AM
Anyone else think we might get something similar to Harry Potter scenario? "King's Cross" & "Flaw in the plan", anyone? 
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 13 January 2014 - 02:46 PM
So...just confirming...We do get a chapter this week right? On the 15th?
Missing-nin
Posted 13 January 2014 - 02:53 PM
So...just confirming...We do get a chapter this week right? On the 15th?
Yep. 
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 13 January 2014 - 03:08 PM
Yep.
That's great.
THAT'S WHAT HEROES DO, THEY SAVE PEOPLE!!
Summoning Master
Posted 13 January 2014 - 03:32 PM
Yep.
But is it on the 15th or on the 14th?
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 13 January 2014 - 03:35 PM
But is it on the 15th or on the 14th?
15th. If by any chance, it can be on the 14th from what I know if they released it sooner. But, most probably on the 15th.
感じの作家
Posted 13 January 2014 - 03:57 PM
Anyone else think we might get something similar to Harry Potter scenario? "King's Cross" & "Flaw in the plan", anyone?
Edited by KnS, 13 January 2014 - 03:58 PM.
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 13 January 2014 - 05:05 PM
It's almost here. Here's a small video by me. Made me wish I can do AMV now...
http://sparda3g.tumb...4-final-note-if
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 13 January 2014 - 07:26 PM
It's almost here. Here's a small video by me. Made me wish I can do AMV now...
Great video 4life.
Edited by LuckyChi7, 13 January 2014 - 07:26 PM.
THAT'S WHAT HEROES DO, THEY SAVE PEOPLE!!
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 13 January 2014 - 10:37 PM
Hehe, thanks. I did it to get everyone ready. Plus I wanted to use that song for quite sometime. I have like a big idea but I stink at amv, so this will do.
Great video 4life.
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 13 January 2014 - 11:07 PM
Hehe, thanks. I did it to get everyone ready. Plus I wanted to use that song for quite sometime. I have like a big idea but I stink at amv, so this will do.
I thought it worked pretty well. Though this first chapter of the year will sure be interesting to see what gets unfold.
THAT'S WHAT HEROES DO, THEY SAVE PEOPLE!!
Chakra Tree Climber
Posted 13 January 2014 - 11:22 PM
It's almost here. Here's a small video by me. Made me wish I can do AMV now...
You made this yourself? Very nice, thank you for adding to my already high excitement level. 
There was once a hero who flew too close to the sun.
His wings of wax fell apart and he plummeted to the earth...
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 13 January 2014 - 11:34 PM
I thought it worked pretty well. Though this first chapter of the year will sure be interesting to see what gets unfold.
Thank you. I do look forward to the first chapter. We can get our 616 or something more. I won't get hype but we'll see.
You made this yourself? Very nice, thank you for adding to my already high excitement level.
Lol you're welcome.
Naruto manga is returning this week! That said I need to know one last thing: why do the Jinchuuriki dies? Is it because the Bijuu is gone as if to say, "Bijuu is the heart of the user"? Is it because they need that Bijuu's chakra as if it's a life force? I need to know to make it very clear.
And guess what's inside it
Posted 14 January 2014 - 01:28 AM
LOL! Christianity reference!
Santa Christ Santa Christ
Yeah...references references.
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