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[Superman333]

maybe Sakura-Chan maybe felt how Naruto truly felt about the promise also that he was doing it for her happiness but it hurt him also in the process . Sai let her know about this but maybe she can feel it for herself now . just a thought . 

 

and also she could be impacted by seeing all of Naruto's hardships which may in turn draw her even closer to Naruto . 

 

It could show her why he can't confess also . Just thoughts of mine . 

Edited by Superman333, 18 September 2013 - 01:55 AM.

[rocci]

@mistraal
Kishi the most offensive in writing female character? Haha maybe he's sexist and suck at character department, but the most offensive? Try read Saint seiya.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@mistraal
Kishi the most offensive in writing female character? Haha maybe he's sexist and suck at character department, but the most offensive? Try read Saint seiya.

Yeah, I have seen worse.

[Hiraishin]

@mistraal
Kishi the most offensive in writing female character? Haha maybe he's sexist and suck at character department, but the most offensive? Try read Saint seiya.

Mistraal didn't say that Kishi was the most offensive in writing female characters; s/he said Karin might be the most offensively written female side character s/he's ever seen.

 

Anyhow, I'm really excited for 648 now. I was pleasantly surprised by this chapter, so my expectations have increased a little for the upcoming one.

Edited by mydearbeloved, 18 September 2013 - 02:19 AM.

[Nefertieh]

^ I still believe she is putting an act, her reactions are way to exaggerated now.

 

Well it is entirely possible Kishimoto will surprise us. But for now her soliloquy seems to suggest she's quite honest in this chapter.

Edited by Nefertieh, 18 September 2013 - 02:37 AM.

[Broken Figurine]

Count me in for those who were disturbed by Karin's behaviour. I'd like to think it was an act, really, but these are her private thoughts and feelings. I can understand comedic relief, but it does nothing for her character and is rife with unfortunate implications that have already been discussed. Team Not-Seven needs to slip away already and stop being reduced to just satellite, comedy characters. I had really liked Suigetsu once, but he hasn't shown his appealing side and he feels forced into a dynamic that really has no place in the manga at this point. 

 

When I was reading I thought that Katsuuya's slugs had simply died with the absorption, but now it seems they might have had a part in the deaths simply by being there? I think that's interesting, and gives further explanation for Sakura's "..." and sorrow/regret which seems to be the central theme. However, I'm not completely sold on the idea this is true so I won't speculate; rather, I'll wait and see if it gets mentioned again. Even if it was, I wouldn't blame her, it would just be really unfortunate and she'd obviously feel guilty/responsible, despite the Tree of Life being a big shocker even for the readers. No one planned or strategized for that properly; otherwise the shinobi would have been more dispersed. It would be a shame that was supposed to heal them (a good intention on Sakura's part) would turn around and have 'helped' the tree for its destruction. 

 

Ino <3 I really like how she's been portrayed during this war. Even though I've had my qualms with Shikamaru's focus at times, team 10 had better scenes during this war than Old/New Team 7. 

 

Hey Tsunade you look kind of different >.>

[Darkness]

When I was reading I thought that Katsuuya's slugs had simply died with the absorption, but now it seems they might have had a part in the deaths simply by being there? I think that's interesting, and gives further explanation for Sakura's "..." and sorrow/regret which seems to be the central theme. However, I'm not completely sold on the idea this is true so I won't speculate; rather, I'll wait and see if it gets mentioned again. Even if it was, I wouldn't blame her, it would just be really unfortunate and she'd obviously feel guilty/responsible, despite the Tree of Life being a big shocker even for the readers. No one planned or strategized for that properly; otherwise the shinobi would have been more dispersed. It would be a shame that was supposed to heal them (a good intention on Sakura's part) would turn around and have 'helped' the tree for its destruction. 

 

Hmm, I don't think so.... the mini Katsuyas had nothing to do with the deaths. The tree targets every living being that has chakra so having or not the slug with them would've made no difference. Sakura is frustrated because she can no longer use her remote healing to help everyone recover since the mini slugs, which are chakra creatures, were sucked into the tree together with the Shinobi's chakra. It was not Sakura's fault.

Edited by Darkness, 18 September 2013 - 12:24 PM.

[KnS]

I've noticed a few posts where people are disappointed that Naruto didn't reflect on any regrets regarding Sakura, and I'm not sure I understand why.

 

The way I see it, the fact that Naruto has no regrets about Sakura is a good thing.  It means he feels his relationship with her, or where it can go, is positive.  Don't forget, just 15 chapters ago -- in #631 -- Naruto admitted to considering Sakura to be his girlfriend "more or less."  

 

So what would he have to regret?  I think we got some foreshadowing back in #572 when Naruto met Yagura:

 

 

Of course, I have no idea, but here's one scenario I imagine....

 

What if Naruto's leadership in the last 15 minutes is courageous and fierce, but even though Obito takes a beating all that Naruto and the surviving alliance shinobi can bring to bear on him is not enough to take Obito down.  In the last minutes, Naruto confesses to Sakura and says he never got to kiss her -- or her forehead.  Obito sees himself and Rin in their example, and either self-destructs or otherwise allows the God Tree to be destroyed.

 

The final battle will be Naruto vs. Sasuke, with Sasuke still considering Naruto to be weak or whatever his problem is.  Naruto will beat Sasuke, and when the dust settles Sakura will kiss Naruto.

 

/shameless speculation

Edited by KnS, 18 September 2013 - 03:01 AM.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

@Paptala: read my Sakura's post.

Two things that cross my mind and please answer me. One is did Naruto intentionally did this for everyone to understand his final struggle? How deep does his heart tells everyone, or is it just regrets? I feel that people saw many things, but they're highlighted by each characters, in order to show connections as well as making them understand.

 

I believe it was unintentionally.  Naruto doesn't really plan things like that; they just happen.  Also, I don't think he'd use his own past intentionally to motivate the alliance.  He was thinking that to himself, and Ino's jutsu picked up on it.  What they say is most likely all that we did:  Sasuke and all the deaths that Naruto regretted. It's possible they saw more, but we need confirmation from future chapters.

 

For everyone, how do you think Sasuke felt seeing Itachi in Naruto's heart?

[TouKen4Life3g]

I believe it was unintentionally.  Naruto doesn't really plan things like that; they just happen.  Also, I don't think he'd use his own past intentionally to motivate the alliance.  He was thinking that to himself, and Ino's jutsu picked up on it.  What they say is most likely all that we did:  Sasuke and all the deaths that Naruto regretted. It's possible they saw more, but we need confirmation from future chapters.
 
For everyone, how do you think Sasuke felt seeing Itachi in Naruto's heart?

Yeah, upcoming chapters could tell us more if there's really anything else.

I think Sasuke will hold this argument when both of them fight each other like Naruto telling him that he was told that he will handle Sasuke. I can see this.

[Mistraal]

I sat on this one all day and I have a theory about Naruto's thoughts and feelings being felt by everyone.

We get several shots of Naruto sitting by himself as a child. Alone obviously. He's regretting not calling or reaching out to others when he could have. We all know Naruto was always very lonely and very sad because if it.

I think everyone was feeling Naruto's loneliness that he grew up with and the sadness he felt because of the way they treated him. Then they also saw his selflessness and how he's still thinking about others despite having grown up that way.

I really think that all it was. >_>

 

Apologies if something similar was posted - barely time to read everything.

Edited by Mistraal, 18 September 2013 - 03:47 AM.

[MangaReader]

I kinda like how Naruto's emotional endurance keeps getting pushed to the limit

[morgaine4]

I posted this in the debate thread, but I think it would be appropriate in here as well:

 

There were no pairing moments in the recent chapter, but I did realize that this chapter illustrated how Sakura's relationship with Naruto stands out from everyone else's relationship with him (and in very specific ways, even Sasuke's relationship with Naruto).  I thought it was interesting that in the latest chapter while feeling “Naruto’s heart” all the characters reacted to Naruto’s memories that specifically affected them (Team 7 to Asuma’s death, Tsunade and Orochimaru to Jiraiya’s death, Sasuke to Itachi’s death, Kiba to the failed retrieval mission etc etc), while Sakura (and to some extent Sasuke, though he did react to Itachi later as I already mentioned) reacted specifically to Naruto’s loneliness, and his regrets in prolonging his and Sasuke’s loneliness.  It clearly indicated that Kishimoto didn't have to highlight their shared experiences because they've gone through nearly everything together since the start of the manga, and that Sakura who completely misunderstood Naruto when we first met her is so different now that she can understand him even wit respect to their different/opposing experiences.  Just a subtle moment in which Sakura how much she knows Naruto, and in which she showed how selfless Sakura has become in terms of her relationship with Naruto, and how much her relationship with Naruto has changed.  Not a pairing moment (this wasn’t a romance chapter), but definitely a sweet NaruSaku-relationship and Team 7 moment. 

 

Some people think Sakura is selfish now?  That Sakura's is selfish with respect to her relationship with Naruto?  Haha, what a joke.

 

And I want to add, like KnS I'm not sure why it's a bad thing that Naruto didn't display any Sakura-centric regrets.  The only regret that might have made sense would have been the Promise of a Lifetime, but Sakura already let him off the hook for that twice, and Naruto confirmed that that wasn't his main/only motivation to "bring Sasuke back."  Then, of course, there's the first part of this post.  Because Naruto didn't focus on Sakura-centric regrets, we were shown exactly how far their relationship has come since chapter 3.  Based on how far they've come, we don't need a Sakura-centric moment, or a moment directly related to Sakura anymore because Sakura who completely misunderstood him in the begining, completely understands what drives him now.  The relaitonship (and I don't mean in terms of romance, because while I've recently begun shipping them, I'll always adore the overall bond that these two have) has changed so much over the course of the manga.  It's just been so gradual that it's easy to lose sight of just how different their relationship is now than it was in Chapter 3.

[Otaru]

i might be jumping the gun here, but after seeing this quote of hers...if shikamaru somehow pull through this (by tsunade, karin, sakura, ino, or joint efforts), I'm scared that sakura would be the other one of the important konoha rookie to die..

 

I hope for this.

I hope she will "die". lol

Then we will be able to see the difference between when it's Sakura lying on the floor or when it's Hinata.

Then Obito would be able to talk about Rin to Naruto.

 

 

He understood Sasuke is feeling inferior to Naruto again. Sasuke doesn't give two kittens about the war, he just wants to kill Naruto himself.

 

You really think it's just that ?

Edited by Otaru, 18 September 2013 - 08:37 AM.

[Chatte]

OMG, people are still insisting that it's Sakura's fault that the guys from the Alliance died because they had Katsuyu attached on them? WTF?! Katsuyu explained it very clear that the reason she cannot remote heal is because the parts attached got drained and died like the alliance. How can people even imagine that? I would've expected it to be discussed in some other forums where they hate Sakura, but here?

Edited by Chatte, 18 September 2013 - 08:40 AM.

[六道仙人]

OMG, people are still insisting that it's Sakura's fault that the guys from the Alliance died because they had Katsuyu attached on them? WTF?! Katsuyu explained it very clear that the reason she cannot remote heal is because the parts attached got drained and died like the alliance. How can people even imagine that? I would've expected it to be discussed in some other forums where they hate Sakura, but here?

 

Well... no matter what Sakura or Katsuyu say. hater always gonna hate. Sadly those haters will never change their mind about Sakura. Leave them alone.

[Hanabi]

 

I've noticed a few posts where people are disappointed that Naruto didn't reflect on any regrets regarding Sakura, and I'm not sure I understand why.

 

The way I see it, the fact that Naruto has no regrets about Sakura is a good thing.  It means he feels his relationship with her, or where it can go, is positive.  Don't forget, just 15 chapters ago -- in #631 -- Naruto admitted to considering Sakura to be his girlfriend "more or less."  

 

So what would he have to regret?  I think we got some foreshadowing back in #572 when Naruto met Yagura:

 

 

Of course, I have no idea, but here's one scenario I imagine....

 

What if Naruto's leadership in the last 15 minutes is courageous and fierce, but even though Obito takes a beating all that Naruto and the surviving alliance shinobi can bring to bear on him is not enough to take Obito down.  In the last minutes, Naruto confesses to Sakura and says he never got to kiss her -- or her forehead.  Obito sees himself and Rin in their example, and either self-destructs or otherwise allows the God Tree to be destroyed.

 

The final battle will be Naruto vs. Sasuke, with Sasuke still considering Naruto to be weak or whatever his problem is.  Naruto will beat Sasuke, and when the dust settles Sakura will kiss Naruto.

 

/shameless speculation

 

that's such a great idea

I don't think it's a shameless speculation thou sakura still don't know who complimented her forehead and took away her insecurities, plus we still have that unfinished kiss

 

kakashi?

btw, is that kakashi who landed and said ... ?

Edited by Hanabi, 18 September 2013 - 10:19 AM.

[六道仙人]

not... just a random ninja...

[Chatte]

@Hanabi

Wow, good catch... I sure hope it's him but it makes me wonder... wouldn't have Kishi put more emphasis on it?

[六道仙人]

Effectively it could be him ... That landing SFX is highly suspect.