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[Atheck]

I see no disparity if my analogy is taken in context. My point was, even in cases of indisputable certainty (i.e., the holocaust or men on the moon) there are those who hold to their own interpretations and theories "that can be utilized to reinforce the probability" of their preferred beliefs. Therefore, since the fate of the pairings in this manga remain unproven -- since they are technically disputable -- it should be expected that believers in non-NS pairings would continue to interpret events in a manner that supports their point of view.

That argument could be equally assigned to proponents of NS. They discern particular interactions between Naruto and Sakura as being contextually romantic but what the opposing groups are suggesting is that they are entirely platonic nature. I suppose my intentions here are to provide a word of caution against allowing events to make NS supporters complacent in their viewpoint.

Here's your comment that I addressed:
Perhaps I misunderstood, but your use of the word distorted seemed to imply you would disagree with interpreting Itachi's words in that manner.

You would be incorrect, that statement was in reference to the NH fandom interpreting Itachi's statement as referring to Hinata's actions in 615 when she rekindled his will to persevere in the fight after it was challenged by Neji's death.

And yet your overall tone implies that the distortions or impressions created by opposing fans are something we should fear or consider with concern.

Well the possibility that some members here have presented of Kishi adhering to their requests for financial benefit is a daunting prospect, admittedly. Otherwise, yes, I do value the sentiments of others quite a bit. Acknowledgement of theories that could very well become actualized should be considered and valued. It is, as others have referenced, a virtue that the NS fandom appears to have that not many others share.

I'm saying I see no value in fearing those viewpoints,

Considering the aforementioned rumours that Kishi's recent actions may have been carried out with intention of acquiring profits, I do believe that there is some cause for alarm.

or in laboring to prove we are open-minded by constantly attempting to validate the interpretations of other fans when we simply don't agree with them.

It isn't a matter of being open-minded, it's acquiring a comprehension of those perspectives to assist in an introspection of our perspective. I have to confess that they do bring up some valid points which I scrutinize over whilst attempting to those criticisms to personal beliefs in order to view the consistency of them.

I'm saying leave them to their own judgment, opinions, and interpretations while we have ours.

You're free to do that. By all means, if you want, maintain a reticent demeanour here on the forum.

I guess I just don't see anything inherently wrong with being confident in our collective perceptions, interpretations, and analysis.

The fact that you and I are having a dispute over this matter confirms that the notion of this website's members' opinions being "collective" is inaccurate.

We might get thrown a curve that changes our analysis of the pairings, but since we do not have artistic control over the story that goes without saying. Or at least I think it should go without saying. I find it both tiring and gloomy to constantly have to add an obvious "but it could still be NH and/or SS" disclaimer to every positive thought or reaction NS fans have to the story.

I will reiterate that the statements and actions provided in the manga which would be perceived as implying NH/SS development are merely used for comparison purposes.

I am personally disinclined to read the tea leaves, as it were, of every scene. I take a very gestaltist approach to the manga, preferring to interpret chapter events against the backdrop of the whole story rather than as individual moments. So, for example, I didn't see #615 as a pairings game-changer because when I evaluated the specific chapter events along with everything that had already been established, it was significant in certain ways (read: Hinata's development and/or resolution) but not a comprehensive pairings game-changer since I saw nothing new or unexpected from Naruto.

I do the same, yes, but when witnessing certain events such as Naruto's efforts to "rescue" Sasuke from his vendetta for revenge being discarded I come to the realization that Kishimoto is capable of abandoning previously established plotlines if he wishes to. I believe I already went over this in an another discussion though.

Same with Minato's arrival in the current chapter. I am disinclined to forecast what it might mean pairings-wise, if anything.

Someone else acknowledges this. I am genuinely surprised.

For one thing, I never said I was possessed of "certitude." The best answer I get from my Magic 8 Ball is "signs point to yes" and I usually get "ask again later."

Oh, forgive my misinterpretation then, it appeared that with wording of the post that you were feeling absolutely confident in its "inevitable" occurrence.

Of course I don't know for sure what's going to happen. No one is. There's speculation that even Kishimoto doesn't know for sure what he's going to do. But that doesn't mean I'm going to worry myself with the speculations of opposing fandoms that I cannot correlate to the story and that make no logical sense to me.

Naturally, one's own perspective and their belief in what is the "true" direction of the story would take precedence over others'. I'm inclined to believe that my ideals about the story are correct as well, although I do express willingness to compare and even implement alternative approaches should the need arise.

All I'm saying, and all I've ever said, is that based on what I've seen so far, NS is the most logical and probable pairing resolution. And if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. It won't bother me in the slightest to "rescind my certitude" such as it is, because I'm fully aware that it's Kishimoto's story and they are his characters to write as he wishes.

I commend you for your ability to endure such shocking occurrences with presumably little atonishment in your reaction.

That strikes me as unnecessarily pessimistic, and the sort of conjecture that I personally intend to avoid until it becomes necessary. I will wait until the story is concluded before I evaluate Kishimoto's writing or any "damaging sacrifices" he may or may not have made.

I prefer to interpret it as being more appropriately minded if things go awry in the manga.

No matter what Kishimoto does, some fandom is going to cry foul and claim their expectations were abused, right? Why assume it's going to be NS when the Magic 8 Ball says "signs point to yes" for NS? I try to avoid borrowing trouble -- not only because it's a waste of energy, but because I'm in this to have fun.

You claim that, I can't help but think that there is existent potential for these presumptions to be revealed as nothing more than delusions concocted by the minds of desireful fans of the manga. It's an unnerving concept but that is one distinct quality which separates our two opinions.

[James S Cassidy]

It isn't a matter of being open-minded, it's acquiring a comprehension of those perspectives to assist in an introspection of our perspective. I have to confess that they do bring up some valid points which I scrutinize over whilst attempting to those criticisms to personal beliefs in order to view the consistency of them.

Doesn't that sound kind of egotistical? You're basically asking people "why are you different" and then judge them based on their answers. It is almost borderline "You're wrong, but I want to see why you think you are right." Like if I wanted to, I could say that your use of big words in a internet forum is trying to assert that your intelligence is above everyone else and that by using big words you try to explain that you wish to break down logic into a scientific study and placing yourself on a higher podium thinking you have all the right answers while everyone else is wrong. A perception of what our thoughts on paper automatically assume what kind of person we are based on personal beliefs. A book by it's cover so to speak.

Of course, you might not see it this way, but others might and then you question on whether or not they are right or wrong. You then question the actual existence of it and how people can perceive such a thing in such a world and assume that they only see what they want to believe. I could even argue that you only see what you want to believe as well and the world is not what we think is. We could break this down as to what is right or wrong and the differences between subjective and objective views. Whether or not a person chooses what they like to see is dependent on who they are personality wise. I could say I like Sakura more because I like strong independent woman who don't take nonsense, but at the same time strive to better other people.

People will always ask why, but sometimes there is no answer. Why do you believe in god? Why do you believe in faith? Why do you believe in hope? Why don't you believe in any of these things? If we all thought exactly the same, then no one would be different and sometimes that is the answer you have to accept. We're just different. We all think differently, but that doesn't mean one person is correct and the other isn't.

I could argue that because you scrutinize people based on answers that to you perceive as being valid this will make you a bad person, but that doesn't mean this statement would be correct. I guess in one form it can be perceived to be, but that's just one possibility. Who says their arguments are valid? What if I said I don't find their points valid? You say it is not a matter of being open-minded, but this is coming from people who are not open-minded themselves and some criticize for not being. There really is a limit to how open-minded one can be before it starts to interfere with personal beliefs. Beliefs that people should be respecting, but are not. It's like the religious debates we have now where people think that Christiana need to be open-minded and accept birth control or what not, but at the same time these same people refuse to admit that stuff like that is part of their beliefs they wish not to break. You can't tell others to accept different people, yet not accept that they are different from you regardless of valid points.

It is also like my discussions about whether or not Sasuke is evil and whether or not he actually can have a redemption if people don't think he was evil to being with. Eventually you have to draw the line somewhere to differentiate what is what, but this not to use a judgmental tone of course, just a matter of classifying based on grouping.

But in all matters you ask whether not their is consistency in their arguments. Eventually you're gonna find stuff that is inconsistent even in the most open-minded people who try to tell what they want. You end up asking questions like why would they hate Sakura from Naruto, but love Naru from Love Hina when they exhibit the same behavior or even when Naru exhibits worse behavior? Then you find that there is no logical reason behind it beyond that they just find one character more tolerable than the other. Sure it could be based on bias for a pairing or the behavior that the character exhibits. Heck, I have seen people hate characters because of one scene in the manga and that's it.

And no, I don't think it is right to force people to accept a different view if they don't want to. Of course, then you may ask "then why fight?" Sometimes it is fun to debate things regardless of who wins or loses. Sometimes it is fun to see different viewpoints even though you know they are full of crap. There are days when I talk to NaruHina fans, because I find their logic funny. To me, it is wrong logic. In my world, they are wrong, but again, the real world is not mine. The only world in my mind is the one I choose to accept exists. Like an artist painting on canvas. Bob Ross says many of times when painting: "This is your world and in your world you can do whatever you want in it. If you want to make the grass blue, make it blue."

This is why my personal motto is of the utmost important to me:
"I am not what everyone thinks I am, but I am everything someone wants me to be."

It's like the relationship I have here on the forum: Some see me as this great post writer and one of the more intelligent people on this forum while others see me as stupid and think I am full of it. I am both yet I am none in the same. I even have fallouts with people on the forum and especially with one in particular. I am not going to tell you who it is because that would be incriminating and by judging how this forum works would be considered a form of bashing even though my only problem is with their attitudes. (And no, it is not an obvious answer as you might think it is and not someone you might believe they are.) Regardless, we see each other as bitter enemies and I know they are trying their best to either make me look bad or try to catch me at a point of weakness. Little do they know they do the same, but I have never even pointed it out. I have proof that they even spy on me, but again this is not part of the matter at hand. The point is, how they see me is not who or what I really am.

What is a more important aspect of our existence: How we view ourselves or how others think of us? Should we care on what others think of us? When you start to constantly question on others and how they think you end up not questioning them, but rather questioning yourself. You wonder why you do the things you do and believe the way you believe. The facts and points are only valid if you want them to be. No more, no less.

So here is a question on a more personal agenda: Why do I hate Hinata, but like Zashiki-warashi from xXxHolic, a character who is almost the same in every aspect? The answer could be more obvious then what you might think it is. I'll give a hint.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 19 May 2013 - 12:28 AM.

[Beastbomb]

So.... How many people in here think Sakura is going to get a power up in this volume. I would like to see some action from our favorite heroine.

[KnS]

I suppose my intentions here are to provide a word of caution against allowing events to make NS supporters complacent in their viewpoint.

Similar cautions have been expressed by other members many times, and I think it has been duly noted by those for whom the advice is useful. And honestly, considering how rattled and outright shattered some people get around here any time chapter events appear even slightly contrary to NS, it seems clear that complacency is not an issue.

I guess I just don't get why people can't enjoy what they enjoy. If there was ever a place for NS fans to get together and daydream and speculate and have fun with the possibilities, a NS fan site ought to be it.

You would be incorrect, that statement was in reference to the NH fandom interpreting Itachi's statement as referring to Hinata's actions in 615 when she rekindled his will to persevere in the fight after it was challenged by Neji's death.

I understood you were referring to the NH fandom's interpretation. I was questioning if you agreed with them or not, considering your use of the word "distorted."

The fact that you and I are having a dispute over this matter confirms that the notion of this website's members' opinions being "collective" is inaccurate.

Please allow me to be more precise. Collective in the "marked by similarity" definition of the word. That this is a NS fan site, and it is reasonable to assume that a significant portion of the members and contributors here subscribe in whole or in part to the concept of NS potentially being the final pairing of the story. I did not mean collective in the Borg sense, lol, as if we are all of one mind. I understand that not everyone agrees on every aspect of every argument.

I do the same, yes, but when witnessing certain events such as Naruto's efforts to "rescue" Sasuke from his vendetta for revenge being discarded I come to the realization that Kishimoto is capable of abandoning previously established plotlines if he wishes to.

As with other plot points -- such as #615 and Minato's arrival in #630 -- I'm personally going to wait and see the next steps with Sasuke before I reach any conclusions as to what will or won't happen. There is more to the story yet, and I prefer to leave room for forthcoming events to shed more light on Sasuke's supposed change of heart before I presume Naruto will have no role in what happens.

Oh, forgive my misinterpretation then, it appeared that with wording of the post that you were feeling absolutely confident in its "inevitable" occurrence.

What I said was:

My point is, the manga itself is a "mountain of evidence" that documents the likelihood of NS.

So no, let's please not mix up likelihood with inevitable.

I commend you for your ability to endure such shocking occurrences with presumably little atonishment in your reaction.

Oh, I could definitely end up surprised and disappointed, but I won't have any trouble admitting that I either interpreted the signs wrong, or that I was wrong about Kishimoto's integrity as a writer, or both.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So.... How many people in here think Sakura is going to get a power up in this volume. I would like to see some action from our favorite heroine.

That would be great, but she may be like with others, getting the same power up from Kyuubi. She can get her own but perhaps later.

[Beastbomb]

Man, that's depressing ... I want some Sakura badassery right now. Guess were going to have to wait longer than a few weeks. Big question though is what will she get for a power up. Although my prediction is probably wrong, my vote goes for Slug SM. She won't be as tough as Naruto or Sasuke, but she would be stronger than most ninjas. I think it would be a great power for someone who isnt born with latent abilities and must achieve their strength through hard work.

[Inferno180]

Anyone besides me find it funny that we got a good chapter/setup and that narusaku week started on tumblir?

Anyways, there is a lot of potential and stuff that may allow ns to come forward. If any ns-mk parallel comes forward, it won't grant it but it will give it more potential to come forward, that can make a difference. A parallel does not effect the mentality of the characters, but if all of kushinas words reached naruto, well everything said in the farewell could come true.

As a matter of perspective, itachis speech can be attributed to hinata or Sakura's speeches, but to us, it makes more sense that it attributed to Sakura's due to how he said rely on others and how sakura spoke of not just letting naruto handle it all on his own. Hinatas was more about sacrifice and everyone protecting him, willing to die.

Hopefully things build on ns for next week, all we know is a lot of potential came up with minatos entrance and landing right by them. There is a lot of stuff remaining for ns to develop too, I'm just hoping that many if the loose ends get finished up no matter if ns becomes canon or not. Hopefully ns becomes canon though cause to me and others here I'm sure, it really just comes back to how the story unfolded and built up, just again looking at the build up thread, I still see enough things that have to be answered and those which can lead to naruto and sakura having a higher relation.

[Atheck]

Doesn't that sound kind of egotistical? You're basically asking people "why are you different" and then judge them based on their answers. It is almost borderline "You're wrong, but I want to see why you think you are right."

Did I imply that my opinion was somehow superior to theirs? If anything it would be the contrary for someone who places too much worth in others' opinions, valuing it before their own and incessantly challenging themselves as to whether they are accurate or not. It isn't a judgement of their characters, at least not from my personal perspective, but a reflection to see what differences there are and to consider if there is greater validity to what they say than myself. Although I don't know what your thoughts on the matter are I like to believe that it could be referred to as maintaining at least a somewhat impartial outlook.

Like if I wanted to, I could say that your use of big words in a internet forum is trying to assert that your intelligence is above everyone else and that by using big words you try to explain that you wish to break down logic into a scientific study and placing yourself on a higher podium thinking you have all the right answers while everyone else is wrong. A perception of what our thoughts on paper automatically assume what kind of person we are based on personal beliefs. A book by it's cover so to speak.

No, I just treat the process of debating as a formal practice that should be approached seriously whilst acting and responding to the best of what knowledge I have. But I will admit that your presumption of me is quite misplaced. I have nothing but personal interpretation to offer. The fact that someone would even acknowledge someone else's response suggests a level of value being assigned to what they are stating. I don't judge the manga in a scientific manner but I do believe that there are many aspects of it that can be defined using perspectives existent beyond the realm of fantasy.

Of course, you might not see it this way, but others might and then you question on whether or not they are right or wrong. You then question the actual existence of it and how people can perceive such a thing in such a world and assume that they only see what they want to believe. I could even argue that you only see what you want to believe as well and the world is not what we think is. We could break this down as to what is right or wrong and the differences between subjective and objective views. Whether or not a person chooses what they like to see is dependent on who they are personality wise. I could say I like Sakura more because I like strong independent woman who don't take nonsense, but at the same time strive to better other people.

The conclusions that they arrive to may be products of bias, yes, others created from the observation of events and deducing what the most logical conclusion is. You're correct that I do personally interpret things as I want to, but I believe that to challenge your own opinions is a virtue, not an implication of weakness or something that should be discouraged. But then I suppose that isn't relevant to what you're stating.

People will always ask why, but sometimes there is no answer. Why do you believe in god? Why do you believe in faith? Why do you believe in hope? Why don't you believe in any of these things? If we all thought exactly the same, then no one would be different and sometimes that is the answer you have to accept. We're just different. We all think differently, but that doesn't mean one person is correct and the other isn't.

I agree, there is no fully definable belief system and everyone will look upon situations or concepts in a different manner. Oddly enough, we appear to be at odds with each once again because of that though and it isn't exactly what I would call enjoyable to experience considering the time expended to address your points.

I could argue that because you scrutinize people based on answers that to you perceive as being valid this will make you a bad person, but that doesn't mean this statement would be correct. I guess in one form it can be perceived to be, but that's just one possibility. Who says their arguments are valid? What if I said I don't find their points valid? You say it is not a matter of being open-minded, but this is coming from people who are not open-minded themselves and some criticize for not being. There really is a limit to how open-minded one can be before it starts to interfere with personal beliefs. Beliefs that people should be respecting, but are not. It's like the religious debates we have now where people think that Christiana need to be open-minded and accept birth control or what not, but at the same time these same people refuse to admit that stuff like that is part of their beliefs they wish not to break. You can't tell others to accept different people, yet not accept that they are different from you regardless of valid points.

Admittedly, that would probably be looked upon as an unorthodox approach to declare that one's assumption of another person's argument being valid is "bad" Their arguments may not necessarily hold any validity to themselves, that is why you analyze it and come to a conclusion from the information you provide. I acknowledge the validity there is to the potential of their argument being accurate or correct in some manner, but not that what they state specifically is veritable. Did I ever insist or claim that people here should adopt an alternative perspective of the fandom? Well somewhat, yes, but to the degree in which you appear to be suggesting that my insistence is excessive is not true. Assigning an arbitrary limit to define the boundary between whether accepting and implementing alternative approaches will impede one's personal beliefs doesn't work as the exact limits to what each individual person's level of tolerance varies. Though I am not sure as to what your boundaries are I make a clear distinction between what I personally believe may be the "correct" perspective of the manga and how others analyze what information Kishimoto provides in his writing.

I fully accept the differences between people. In fact that is precisely what I have also been stating in my other posts. To acknowledge that a myraid of interpretations exist but if they don't want to do that then of course they are liberty to deny that notion. It's their decisions to come to and if they believe differently then that is perfectly acceptable.

It is also like my discussions about whether or not Sasuke is evil and whether or not he actually can have a redemption if people don't think he was evil to being with. Eventually you have to draw the line somewhere to differentiate what is what, but this not to use a judgmental tone of course, just a matter of classifying based on grouping.

Well his intentions and actions could be defined as selfish as he chooses to associate the entirety of Konoha with the few people who were actually entangled in the massacring of his clan. The moralistic ambiguity to his clan's demise isn't a justification to murder people who have not wronged him in any manner or kidnap a man to be killed by a terrorist organization in order to further their own objectives. I agree that a boundary for Sasuke's actions needs to be defined and I am quite adamant that he should be punished in some capacity. Whether you or anyone else may possibly be in contention with that prospect is perfectly fine albeit it would be confusing to hear someone attest to his possible exoneration from all of his actions.

But in all matters you ask whether not their is consistency in their arguments. Eventually you're gonna find stuff that is inconsistent even in the most open-minded people who try to tell what they want. You end up asking questions like why would they hate Sakura from Naruto, but love Naru from Love Hina when they exhibit the same behavior or even when Naru exhibits worse behavior? Then you find that there is no logical reason behind it beyond that they just find one character more tolerable than the other. Sure it could be based on bias for a pairing or the behavior that the character exhibits. Heck, I have seen people hate characters because of one scene in the manga and that's it.

If their statements are incoherent and/or they suggest they were created primarily from favouritism then that could be perceived as a point to differentiate between what warrants an actual retort and what does not. However, to deny even the possibility that their post may have been reasonable prior to reading it is something that I honestly believe is unacceptable. Whether there is value or not to the concept that most of the proponents of any opposing fandom are relying on nothing but personal bias they should at least be offered the opportunity to prove that their thoughts are centred around supporting evidence and logic, not just propensity. If you would contest against that idea then that's perfectly acceptable although I would begin to question why they could not even be offered the chance to explain their thoughts.

And no, I don't think it is right to force people to accept a different view if they don't want to. Of course, then you may ask "then why fight?" Sometimes it is fun to debate things regardless of who wins or loses. Sometimes it is fun to see different viewpoints even though you know they are full of crap. There are days when I talk to NaruHina fans, because I find their logic funny. To me, it is wrong logic. In my world, they are wrong, but again, the real world is not mine. The only world in my mind is the one I choose to accept exists. Like an artist painting on canvas. Bob Ross says many of times when painting: "This is your world and in your world you can do whatever you want in it. If you want to make the grass blue, make it blue."

As I have already stated countless times, they're recommendations, not demands. They can completely disregard what someone else claims if they want and treat the opinion as if it were utter crap. But granted that reaction may result in an inquiry as to why they believe that way. The other comments you have made in that response sound quite cruel, regardless if their thoughts may be incorrect or not, but if that is how you find amusement then good for you.

This is why my personal motto is of the utmost important to me:
"I am not what everyone thinks I am, but I am everything someone wants me to be."

It's like the relationship I have here on the forum: Some see me as this great post writer and one of the more intelligent people on this forum while others see me as stupid and think I am full of it. I am both yet I am none in the same. I even have fallouts with people on the forum and especially with one in particular. I am not going to tell you who it is because that would be incriminating and by judging how this forum works would be considered a form of bashing even though my only problem is with their attitudes. (And no, it is not an obvious answer as you might think it is and not someone you might believe they are.) Regardless, we see each other as bitter enemies and I know they are trying their best to either make me look bad or try to catch me at a point of weakness. Little do they know they do the same, but I have never even pointed it out. I have proof that they even spy on me, but again this is not part of the matter at hand. The point is, how they see me is not who or what I really am.

Well it does sound like you begrudge that person. Personally, I can't say that I would support resenting someone although I have to confess to having similar thoughts in my mind as well. Another individual's opinion may be how they define you but the validity to their presumptions could very well be questionable in nature. That doesn't negate the value that should be assigned that they may be accurate but if it is not accordance with how you actually are then that may perhaps be the closest to what someone may proclaim as being a factual interpretation of another person's opinion being wrong.

Whay is a more important aspect of our existence: How we view ourselves or how others think of us? Should we care on what others think of us? When you start to constantly question on others and how they think you end up not questioning them, but rather questioning yourself. You wonder why you do the things you do and believe the way you believe. The facts and points are only valid if you want them to be. No more, no less.

Both have validity to the question presented. Yes, there is only so much worth that someone should assign to their personal beliefs and that is entirely up to them but if their beliefs were claimed to be incorrect by others and if they were provided evidence to verify or support the inaccuracy in their sentiments? Should that person obstinately cling to what they belief is the truth or should they at least acknowledge what the others are claiming to see if there is any value to what they say?

Should there not be a boundary to how dedicated someone is to their opinions?

So here is a question on a more personal agenda: Why do I hate Hinata, but like Zashiki-warashi from xXxHolic, a character who is almost the same in every aspect? The answer could be more obvious then what you might think it is. I'll give a hint.

To be honest, I'm not really concerned about that. I just want to cease with this damned argument now because it consumes so much time.

Similar cautions have been expressed by other members many times, and I think it has been duly noted by those for whom the advice is useful. And honestly, considering how rattled and outright shattered some people get around here any time chapter events appear even slightly contrary to NS, it seems clear that complacency is not an issue.

I guess I just don't get why people can't enjoy what they enjoy. If there was ever a place for NS fans to get together and daydream and speculate and have fun with the possibilities, a NS fan site ought to be it.

If they want to do that then let them. Some of the comments in this debate topic appeared to be , shall we say, assured in NS's inevitability. Perhaps it's merely an attempt to increase morality or maybe that interpreation of their posts is incorrect entirely. I will discard this issue however as you are correct that it has been restated countless times now.

I understood you were referring to the NH fandom's interpretation. I was questioning if you agreed with them or not, considering your use of the word "distorted."

I don't agree with them, no, but I do believe in the existence of a possibility that the statement may have been referring to 615. The word "distorted' was a product of personal bias admittedly as it is how I believe it to be for their notion of MK resembling NH.

Please allow me to be more precise. Collective in the "marked by similarity" definition of the word. That this is a NS fan site, and it is reasonable to assume that a significant portion of the members and contributors here subscribe in whole or in part to the concept of NS potentially being the final pairing of the story. I did not mean collective in the Borg sense, lol, as if we are all of one mind. I understand that not everyone agrees on every aspect of every argument.

I see now, thank you for the correction of my assumption.

As with other plot points -- such as #615 and Minato's arrival in #630 -- I'm personally going to wait and see the next steps with Sasuke before I reach any conclusions as to what will or won't happen. There is more to the story yet, and I prefer to leave room for forthcoming events to shed more light on Sasuke's supposed change of heart before I presume Naruto will have no role in what happens.

I do agree with this. Let's see what happens before establishing any judgement on the matter.

Oh, I could definitely end up surprised and disappointed, but I won't have any trouble admitting that I either interpreted the signs wrong, or that I was wrong about Kishimoto's integrity as a writer, or both.

Another disparity between our opinions of the matter. You do have more strength than myself for accepting that possibility, admittedly.

[rocci]

So.... How many people in here think Sakura is going to get a power up in this volume. I would like to see some action from our favorite heroine.

I could be wrong. I think sakura will get power up after time skip aka epilogue.

[James S Cassidy]

@Atheck

Why do you misdirect?

[Atheck]

@Atheck

Why do you misdirect?

It wasn't my intention to misdirect. Do you believe that I am?

[Tokura Misaki]

Lol at Sakura's popularity on NF. 10 vs 1

[Inferno180]

Lol at Sakura's popularity on NF. 10 vs 1

What do you mean exactly by 10 vs 1?

[Tokura Misaki]

What do you mean exactly by 10 vs 1?

There's 1-10 ratings. If 10 is the best, 1 is the worst.

[MangaReader]

There's 1-10 ratings. If 10 is the best, 1 is the worst.

If I'm understanding you correctly...I'm not shocked that Naruto Forum hates Sakura. Every time I've watched the threads going on there, it's rare to even see a positive post about her

[Tokura Misaki]

If I'm understanding you correctly...I'm not shocked that Naruto Forum hates Sakura. Every time I've watched the threads going on there, it's rare to even see a positive post about her

Yeah, there's so many Sakura haters. You can see those positive posts, especially on Sakura FC. It's funny that 10's and 1's are competing. I think Sakura fans are mostly the Sakura-related pairing fans.

Edited by sakutonaru, 19 May 2013 - 05:28 AM.

[soraandven]

i rewatched naruto vs menma just now and it made me really wanna see an edo kushina drop in to with chapter 630 lol

[bthug]

You guys see toonami tonight? It was the first part of the chunin exams, Sakura was rdy to quit the test ( which would have caused the entire team to fail) just for Naruto's sake. She thought he was to proud to quit and she didnt want him lose out on his dream of becoming hokage.

[MangaReader]

You guys see toonami tonight? It was the first part of the chunin exams, Sakura was rdy to quit the test ( which would have caused the entire team to fail) just for Naruto's sake. She thought he was to proud to quit and she didnt want him lose out on his dream of becoming hokage.

I'm actually enjoying that Toonami decided taking a walk down memory lane instead going straight to Shippuden. Being reminded of the smaller things like this is quite nice actually

[redragon88]

You guys see toonami tonight? It was the first part of the chunin exams, Sakura was rdy to quit the test ( which would have caused the entire team to fail) just for Naruto's sake. She thought he was to proud to quit and she didnt want him lose out on his dream of becoming hokage.

That was one of the most pivotal points in the entire series when it came to how Sakura felt about Naruto. It's to the point that even the authors of the Kizuna books pointed out regarding that moment in the section that focused on love. They said something along the lines of Sakura's wish being to see Naruto's dreams come true. It was really touching.

That's why I want the essence of that moment to come back in some form. It would be pretty amazing if Sakura said that she wants to help make Naruto the Hokage since she desires to see his wishes come true.

It would be a very beautiful parallel with MinaKushi since in the flashback of Naruto's birth Minato mentioned how Kushina was the one that helped him become the Hokage. It would be pretty amazing that Minato himself was around to hear Sakura say those words to Naruto.

I really wish that Kushina could appear in some manner as well, but I know that it's next to impossible. Can you imagine Minato and Kushina defending Naruto and Sakura? Just like it was in Road to Ninja.