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[soraandven]

well vj made his point about sakura in the chapter very clear *What did Sakura did for him on that chapter? Nothing, whatsoever. If you think Naruto will be with Sakurs, then you must trapped in Obito's dream World to think that way, as usual.* if ns becomes canon then im gonna have alot of fun

[Gravenimage]

well vj made his point about sakura in the chapter very clear *What did Sakura did for him on that chapter? Nothing, whatsoever. If you think Naruto will be with Sakurs, then you must trapped in Obito's dream World to think that way, as usual.* if ns becomes canon then im gonna have alot of fun

Don't bother with VJ he's not worth it just like sawyer. I rolled my eyes when he mentions the Sakura part" for once she wasn't thinking about Sasuke" really??? Wow looks like someone is still seeing her as the fan girl from part 1 just like the rest of the fandom.

[James S Cassidy]

Forgive me for the interjection but how precisely could she assist in fighting Sasuke? The realms of their respective abilities diverged a long time ago and Kishi has since neglected to provide Sakura with any worthwhile enhancements that could make her comparable to her teammates. This is not even taking into consideration Sasuke's EMS. If you do then there is a considerably high chance that he not only is capable of utilizing all of Itachi's techniques and weaponry, but he may very well be capable of generating a Susanoo similar in enormity and power to Madara's (that is if the benefit of EMS is in fact this enhanced variant of Susanoo). Remember, EMS was stated to provide a fourth and final ability back during the Itachi vs Sasuke battle.

Factoring in all of Sasuke's techniques, existent and hypothetical, Sakura would be severely outmatched. Even with Naruto enduring the brunt of Sasuke's wrath and Sakura choosing to act as the occasional support in order to get a few hits in on Sasuke's Susanoo it would not take that long for Sasuke to retaliate. He could very well just ignite her on fire with Amaterasu if he was seeking to kill her.

Please do not misinterpret my intentions. I would greatly enjoy her participation in any sort of fight but when you analyze all of the conditions presented with a potential battle against Sasuke I feel that Sakura may not have the necessary stats or abilities to match him even with Naruto's support. He would have to monitor and protect her throughout the entire fight. My conclusion is that this is unlikely. Barring of course the inclusion of any power ups such as the Yin Seal or Slug Sage Mode. Even with the latter I don't understand how that would enable her to avoid flames that are claimed to appear instantaneously on a person and require greatly enhanced speed stats to have any hope of avoiding excluding mutilation of any impacted areas of the body.

Ah, but see I never said she would fight Sasuke herself. I actually believe she might fight Juugo since it may be possible for Juugo to interfere with the battle. And she could possibly help with Sasuke as well. Granted she will get owned, but you never know. There are many possibilities that Kishi could take, but the point is not in whether she can do damage or not, but rather the point that despite many claiming she is so in love with Sasuke she will to side with Naruto. Maybe even prove to him that she truly loves him as seeing that Naruto needs real proof that she no longer sees him that way.

Many outcomes in many ways, but the message needs to be clear and it seems this is the only way it can happen otherwise Naruto will once again refute it.

Well Naruto is a shonen, regardless of what messages or plot twists Kishi may use to provide more entertainment. Their concerns are somewhat valid because when you hear the words "hero" or "heroine" in a shonen manga you oftentimes associate those terms with someone who active in not just the plotline but battles as well. Unfortunately, Sakura has only had three fights that she directly participated in throughout the entire manga. This is partially attributable to Kishi's intentions for her which was to turn her into a character who functions more as a support in combat than a direct fighter. Then of course there's Kishi's inept ability at providing women with any critical roles in the general story. Don't get me wrong, they do play a significant role, it's just that the male characters' roles eclipses almost all of the females'

I suppose you could argue that Sakura has technically had the most direct involvement in a battle relating only to herself or her in a female exclusive team out of anyone in the manga. Hinata has had only one fight directly pertaining to herself, Ino also is only at one (the other times were a concerted effort with her male teammates), Tenten with one as well (which was off-screened, mind you), Temari with two (first one was off-screened but the second against Shikamaru is a perfect example of a woman capable of overwhelming her opponent albeit she was unlucky to have to face a tactician like Shikamaru who had a capable advantage using the conveniences of his surroundings to protect himself), Tsunade with one (the other was a team effort with the Kages and she acted as support primarily until near the end), Shizune with one (very briefly against Kabuto), Konan with one (which was a relatively short battle that lasted for only 2 chapters IIRC), and Mei with one (her only 1 vs 1 fight was incredibly brief against a non-belligerent Sasuke and against Madara she fought alongside her three male comrades and one other female Kage).

I don't understand why but Kishi appears to be inimical at the notion of having very many female exclusive battles or battles involving a female character by herself against a male opponent. After Sasori he didn't even allow any of the female characters the opportunity of battling directly, on-screen, until Konan's brief endeavour against Jiraiya during the Itachi Pursuit Arc.

Edit: I forgot about Tayuya. She is an exception as well and considering that Temari fought her by herself technically it has the honour of being one of the few fights involving only female cast members. Temari's battle count, excluding male assistance, is now at three.

Yet, you have them scream "Hinata" every time even though she has lost all her fights and even nearly caused the death of people because of her recklessness. There is some blame when it comes to that because how can you judge Sakura in such a way, but leave Hinata out of it? If heroine describes how many battles they have fought and or won then Sakura is still the bigger heroine as she has done things. She has saved people's lives and not just the main hero. Are we supposed to neglect that she saved kankuro's life or that she is healing Naruto right now despite being an easy target? What about the time she beat Sasori? if it describe about how many times she has helped the hero, again Sakura has done more.

This is the biggest problem when I see with this "heroine" stuff. What the hell is expected from the heroine? If heroine is described by bravery, saving lives, and working to do the right thing, then Sakura fills all those criteria. Like you said, Hinata was mostly self-satisfaction, but again, they think she is a heroine. Why?

I have come to the conclusion that no one will ever see Sakura as the heroine no matter what she does, but Hinate will despite screwing up, despite being selfish, and despite not really doing anything. Again, people argue 615, but this is the ONLY moment that she has actually done something useful...and she didn't even do anything. All she did was repeat everything everyone else said and Kurama had a hand in it. This moment now is Sakura being the heroine. Not because she saves the day or defeats that one big opponent. Heroes are people that do whatever it takes to help people whether it be through actions or teachings.

So, yes, Atheck I do blame people sometimes because they keep changing what it means to be a heroine and not sure what they want to see. Do you want her to see her take out the Ten-tails? Do you want to see her kill Sasuke? What? What would make Sakura a heroine in your eyes that she hasn't done already?

Not all fights are won with fists.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 15 May 2013 - 06:49 PM.

[Gravenimage]

Ah, but see I never said she would fight Sasuke herself. I actually believe she might fight Juugo since it may be possible for Juugo to interfere with the battle. And she could possibly help with Sasuke as well. Granted she will get owned, but you never know. There are many possibilities that Kishi could take, but the point is not in whether she can do damage or not, but rather the point that despite many claiming she is so in love with Sasuke she will to side with Naruto. Maybe even prove to him that she truly loves him as seeing that Naruto needs real proof that she no longer sees him that way.

Many outcomes in many ways, but the message needs to be clear and it seems this is the only way it can happen otherwise Naruto will once again refute it.



Yet, you have them scream "Hinata" every time even though she has lost all her fights and even nearly caused the death of people because of her recklessness. There is some blame when it comes to that because how can you judge Sakura in such a way, but leave Hinata out of it? If heroine describes how many battles they have fought and or won then Sakura is still the bigger heroine as she has done things. She has saved people's lives and not just the main hero. Are we supposed to neglect that she saved kankuro's life or that she is healing Naruto right now despite being an easy target? What about the time she beat Sasori? if it describe about how many times she has helped the hero, again Sakura has done more.

This is the biggest problem when I see with this "heroine" stuff. What the hell is expected from the heroine? If heroine is described by bravery, saving lives, and working to do the right thing, then Sakura fills all those criteria. Like you said, Hinata was mostly self-satisfaction, but again, they think she is a heroine. Why?

I have come to the conclusion that no one will ever see Sakura as the heroine no matter what she does, but Hinate will despite screwing up, despite being selfish, and despite not really doing anything. Again, people argue 615, but this is the ONLY moment that she has actually done something useful...and she didn't even do anything. All she did was repeat everything everyone else said and Kurama had a hand in it. This moment now is Sakura being the heroine. Not because she saves the day or defeats that one big opponent. Heroes are people that do whatever it takes to help people whether it be through actions or teachings.

So, yes, Atheck I do blame people sometimes because they keep changing what it means to be a heroine and not sure what they want to see. Do you want her to see her take out the Ten-tails? Do you want to see her kill Sasuke? What? What would make Sakura a heroine in your eyes that she hasn't done already?

Not all fights are won with fists.

To put it short and simple:

If Sakura launches a punch and shatters a boulder the haters and NH fan will say" she's useless, she's weak."

If Hinata sneezes" she's amazing, truly a great character, she belongs with Naruto."

[HauntedCake]

Now we just need to find Sai. Where, oh where, could he be~?

SAIIII!!!!! We need SAI to translate NS's feelings for each other so they can both understand

Sai: "Baka, Sakura loves you!!!"

Sai: "Sakura, you love Naruto and i'm getting tired of you denying it"

Sakura won't die but you think that Minato would give HER the other half of Kurama's chakra or something else would be set up for her?

Not sure about that, but the set up for the next chapter is just too good, I mean I have no been this excited since the hug after pain.

Well Minato said it was a gift for Naruto... so i'd say no to sakura getting chakra

How do I love this chapter?

That speech, Sakura... Preach, girl, preach!! And I bet that during that entire moment, Naruto was thinking like, "Yeah, that's my girl! Getting some after this crap is over!"

Kakashi, so freaking badass. Time for Round 2 with him and Obito!

Bee is back (but still we have this question, WHERE IS SAI?!!!)

And oh kitten... Minato's here. Father son reunion with a potential mentioning of the "future daughter-in law". And he's about a couple of meters in front of him.

Oh, and I noticed some negativity here. Cut it out, please. That's including talking/bashing/making fun of w/e on the rival pairings. We had enough drama llamas going around eating and expanding themselves.

I just hope a chapter 616 isn't pulled on us, PLEASE KISHI NOOOOO

I see that sh was going to say something but Naruto got the panel, next chapter she will say something and probably Minato will have a long chat with Naruto.
Most importantly is Sasuke coming i hope we dont get trolled like pairings SS oriented or some kind of fanservice if this doenst happen then NS is pretty much canon and end of pairings wars for me.
Also i feel that we are going to get an answer to 540.

Which is?

[CloudMountainJuror]

I was reading the chapter and thought, hey, this is pretty good and then saw Shikamaru and was "aww...that's a shame."

But it is in character for him to take charge. Again, both Sakura's and Shikamaru's silence in 615 while Hinata was the one making the motivational speech just plain didn't make sense. Here, it makes total sense that Sakura would take charge and Shikamaru would follow suit. To not include Shikamaru would've just done more character damage.

Now, while yes, this can be said for Hinata in 615 as well, unlike then, Shikamaru taking action isn't damaging anyone else's character.

@Zac

To be honest, dude. I noticed it to, but it hasn't bothered me because Kishi has done thing a lot worse and for dumber reasons. Again, I know I am beating a dead horse, but after the debacle that was 615 and all that came from that. Everything else is okay with me.

No no I see what you mean, totally. Like I said, the chapter was glorious in comparison to the recent previous ones, even with that last page. It just bugs me that such an obvious, easily avoidable flaw is there in such a great chapter. It's not nearly as damaging as 615.

I'll make a comparison. 615 was like driving at 35 mph on a main street, then crashing into a brick wall. The last page of this chapter is like driving at the same speed on the same street and hitting a pretty small pothole. It's not nearly as dangerous or severe as its counterpart, but it's noticable, distracting, and unpleasant nonetheless, even when the whole stretch of road before it was incredibly smooth.

[T XD]

Really loved this chapter. Especially how Kishi was shifting a few times from Obito and Kakashi to the battlefield. This is what I call an effective chapter or writing from a writer.

Obito definitely wants Kakashi with him in his illusion world. He didn't forget about him. He sees Kakashi as his friend, but he doesn't want the real Kakashi that he knows. Liked the responses of Kakashi. I think that Kakashi will make Obito in a state of weakness when they fight which maybe, if, he gets back to the battlefield with Obito to have his last Tnj.

Sakura was awesome... I really was happy to see how she wants from people to get Naruto and showed us like before that she's the one that gets him the most. Healing him, supporting him, wanting from others to understand Naruto, backing him up... This is something that only her can do from what we've seen from other characters.
Naruto's expressions was of letting the one that understands him to talk to the others, and let them realize what he's doing... Agreeing with everything.

Minato's entrance was great and having Naruto and Sakura beside him. I think that Minato will most probably get to know Sakura personally. As for Naruto that he wasn't surprised by his father's appearance, I think it's because either he sensed his chakra, or he knew from the kunai.

More Sakura and NS moments are coming XD. Maybe there will be some things that will happen which maybe some of us won't like it like a Sasuke to Sakura interactions, or Sakura's lingering feelings for Sasuke shown that are hurting her and waiting to be released from them, but the story should go by this drama XD.

Happy for the joyful atmosphere in here. Hope it will always be like this for the upcoming and future chapters.

Edited by T XD, 15 May 2013 - 07:10 PM.

[Inferno180]

I've seen some reviews on this chapter and guess what?

Either they ignore the Sakura portion like she does not even matter, focusing only on Kakashi or saying Sakura was copying Hinata.

Others just say she did stuff but its still mainly Hinata.



How much are they going to continue glossing over Sakura everytime she does something notable and Hinata simply blinks they claim its critically important to the story.

Maybe there is a reason these fans should go back and listen to one line Sakura said, "Thanks to you Naruto, I have not given up on a dream where everyone on Team 7 can still have a happy ending."

Note she says team 7, Hinata is not part of team 7. Hinata could just vanish and still not effect the story. If Sakura's words are anything, its that everyone on team 7 will get a good ending. Not team 7 plus Hinata, it still amazes me people think like this, Hinata is not part of team 7 and they try to make her more important than she ever really was or try to somehow claim she was important due to the 332 chapters between the end of the chunin exams and the chapter she gets steamrolled by pain. Hey if Sakura is useless, Hinata is an occupational hazard and has already violated more than 1000 OSHA regulations. but hey you get guys like Swayer7 or forever, ugh they make it so that anytime something enjoyable comes up from another camp, they need to squish it down, mainly if its ours. I seriously want NS to come in one part to just devastate people like this. As always to their logic, Sakura could pull a super attack and save everyone, yet they would call her useless and Hinata just trips and falls, they say she would have protected the world.

Its times when we get good chapters we enjoy, the others need to try and erase it like nothing happened.

Edited by Inferno180, 15 May 2013 - 07:10 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

No no I see what you mean, totally. Like I said, the chapter was glorious in comparison to the recent previous ones, even with that last page. It just bugs me that such an obvious, easily avoidable flaw is there in such a great chapter. It's not nearly as damaging as 615.

I'll make a comparison. 615 was like driving at 35 mph on a main street, then crashing into a brick wall. The last page of this chapter is like driving at the same speed on the same street and hitting a pretty small pothole. It's not nearly as dangerous or severe as its counterpart, but it's noticable, distracting, and unpleasant nonetheless, even when the whole stretch of road before it was incredibly smooth.

Well, you never know, man. It may be explained in the next chapter how he knew he was coming. I am willing to wait and see how Naruto and Minato interact before I make a judgement call of calling it a plothole, but that's just me.

How much are they going to continue glossing over Sakura everytime she does something notable and Hinata simply blinks they claim its critically important to the story.

This is why I feel people fail to see she is a heroine. Not because she doesn't do heroic things or doesn't fight, but because everything she has done and or tried to do for the sake of others is being neglected and ignored.

It would be easier if people opened their minds to it.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 15 May 2013 - 07:16 PM.

[soraandven]

Don't bother with VJ he's not worth it just like sawyer. I rolled my eyes when he mentions the Sakura part" for once she wasn't thinking about Sasuke" really??? Wow looks like someone is still seeing her as the fan girl from part 1 just like the rest of the fandom.

yeah i was like ok nice try hiding your hate for sakura sawyer but atleast he gave her alittle credit unlike forneverworld i swear everytime that something involves hinata and sakura he puts hinata on a throne and sakura in the dirt i mean its obvious from his quote * get out of here sakura its naruhina time*

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

For some reason i decided to save 615 commentaries because i knew that it would come, doesnt worry i preserved the nicknames.



there are others but it's too funny to read 615 thread and then 630, i hope we dont overreact to stuff like that again

I think would be fun if NS gets canon we make a compilation of commentaries like that from every users just to everyone laugh together.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 15 May 2013 - 07:21 PM.

[sushi.]

^Hey that's really mean.

Why point out something like that? I didn't read the post , but we judge things based on what we see there and then. 'Just because an awesome chapter comes out in a few months, doesn't mean this one sucks'

[CloudMountainJuror]

Well, you never know, man. It may be explained in the next chapter how he knew he was coming. I am willing to wait and see how Naruto and Minato interact before I make a judgement call of calling it a plothole, but that's just me.

Uh uh uh, not a plothole. A pothole.

[Smiter]

First of all, I am sorry, but I have to respond to this first.

I did not. I was responding to Slex. NOT YOU. The mods hold us all to a certain standard code of conduct. One of those is to NOT MOCK OR BASH the other fandoms. And as the mods expect us to abide by the conducts they have placed, then that includes all of us. Including Slex, you and me and every goddamn members on this forum INCLUDING THE MODS

Codus, cut it out.

You are not the enforcer of this board. That is the job of the moderators, and we will deal with any issues that happen.

Let people enjoy the chapter. It's OK to express your opinions, but you do not need to keep trying to ram them down other peoples' throats. You seem to have an inability to let things go.

Now, I do not want to see any more of this behaviour from you.

And I want no more on this subject from anyone. Please, let's just all enjoy this chapter.


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Now, about this chapter. I liked it. Kakashi had a great scene, Bee finally showed up, and we got a lovely speech from Sakura, and Minato showed up.

I wish I had a time machine for next week's chapter.

[StriderC]

First of all, I am sorry, but I have to respond to this first.



Codus, cut it out.

You are not the enforcer of this board. That is the job of the moderators, and we will deal with any issues that happen.

Let people enjoy the chapter. It's OK to express your opinions, but you do not need to keep trying to ram them down other peoples' throats. You seem to have an inability to let things go.

Now, I do not want to see any more of this behaviour from you.

And I want no more on this subject from anyone. Please, let's just all enjoy this chapter.


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Now, about this chapter. I liked it. Kakashi had a great scene, Bee finally showed up, and we got a lovely speech from Sakura, and Minato showed up.

I wish I had a time machine for next week's chapter.

LOL What was your favorite part of the chapter?

And I know this is off topic but when are you gonna change the layout of the site? I think I saw it somewhere that you were.

[Phantom_999]

No no I see what you mean, totally. Like I said, the chapter was glorious in comparison to the recent previous ones, even with that last page. It just bugs me that such an obvious, easily avoidable flaw is there in such a great chapter. It's not nearly as damaging as 615.

I'll make a comparison. 615 was like driving at 35 mph on a main street, then crashing into a brick wall. The last page of this chapter is like driving at the same speed on the same street and hitting a pretty small pothole. It's not nearly as dangerous or severe as its counterpart, but it's noticable, distracting, and unpleasant nonetheless, even when the whole stretch of road before it was incredibly smooth.

Indeed. Well we really can't say or justify WHY Kishi does these things sometimes, but all in all it was a good chapter. Illogical on the last page indeed but again, awesome things are not always defined by logic right? I thougt Naruto not being surprised was pretty darn badass even if it did not make sense.

First of all, I am sorry, but I have to respond to this first.



Codus, cut it out.

You are not the enforcer of this board. That is the job of the moderators, and we will deal with any issues that happen.

Let people enjoy the chapter. It's OK to express your opinions, but you do not need to keep trying to ram them down other peoples' throats. You seem to have an inability to let things go.

Now, I do not want to see any more of this behaviour from you.

And I want no more on this subject from anyone. Please, let's just all enjoy this chapter.


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Now, about this chapter. I liked it. Kakashi had a great scene, Bee finally showed up, and we got a lovely speech from Sakura, and Minato showed up.

I wish I had a time machine for next week's chapter.

My dear Kages and mods, you know I would never challenge your authority here, but in Codus' defense he was trying to explain that snipping at other pairings was not very respectful and that this site is intolerant of stamping on the feelings of others even if it is due to a moment of ship tease, and he was probably frustrated at the negative feedback too and responded in kind.

Edited by Phantom_999, 15 May 2013 - 07:57 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Indeed. Well we really can't say or justify WHY Kishi does these things sometimes, but all in all it was a good chapter. Illogical on the last page indeed but again, awesome things are not always defined by logic right?

Yes, overall it was a good chapter, and an improvement for Kishimoto.

Edited by zacrathedemon5, 15 May 2013 - 07:49 PM.

[Inferno180]

Even on tumblir, there are so many happy NaruSakus out there, no reason for the haters to just be overreacting but seriously,

in the next few chapters, we will have Naruto, Minato, Tobirama, Hiruzen, and Bee facing the ten tails, that will be awesome. The rest of the allaince may get the shroud again too.

I just hope this keeps up, such a great chapter, it was mainly kakashi and sakura but the dialogue they both had really made this an incredible chapter. Best of all, no one had to die for it! I'm looking at you 615, you had to give Hinata a moment over a death of a cool character.

Just wow, just wow, looking at this chapter again, this is how its done, not going by NS, this is one of the best seriously, so many characters, lots of resolution, and a great cliffhanger for the events ahead, that is how you do it. Kishi out of all your writing in recent weeks, this tops everything. Not saying this as a NS fan, because its just that dam good.

Kakashi having a one on one with Obito, the antagonist.
Sakura understanding the dire situation and how its all on Naruto but reaffirms that belief in everyone
Shikmaru making a new plan.
Minato coming in at the last moment. Minato is literally a plot device, all the edo hokage are, one landing right in from of Naruto and Sakura just screams potential joy in the next week.

This is how a chapter is done, I mean it had 4 things going on at once. On another note, I love Bee, I wish we could hear more of his rymhing as the battle goes on, he is nutty in his own way, but Bee is just that awesome.

[Smiter]

LOL What was your favorite part of the chapter?

And I know this is off topic but when are you gonna change the layout of the site? I think I saw it somewhere that you were.

Well, it's hard to choose. XD;

Kakashi was just awesome in how he rejected Obito's madness and spoke of how others had healed his pain. Then Sakura gave such a wonderful speech that perfectly embodied Naruto and his beliefs, and how well she understood those.

Minato was just simply the icing on the cake. Like others have said, there is a potential scene that could happen. I'm just hoping that Sakura is shocked by Naruto calling the Yondaime Hokage "Dad", and that's the moment she realises who Naruto's parents really are. I just don't want her to say "Oh, I already knew that."

It would also be cool if Minato commented on Sakura, but we'll have to see.

Full page of Naruto and Minato standing with their backs to Sakura, Hokage and chakra coats billowing in the wind. Make it happen, Kishi.


I'm still working on H&E2. Life just seems to keep getting in the way, sorry. But I will do my best to show everyone a test version of the new site soon! I would like to get everyone involved and give everyone the opportunity to help shape the site they want.

[Toasty Warrior]

Is it bad that the ten tails, the way it looks reminds me of this?



It's starting to look like Biollante from Godzilla!