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[Don-kun]

No, but I would definitely give her a chance.

I don't think someone saving your life should force you to fall in love with them love is a mutual stuff not an obligation, if that was a valid reason then Sakura most end up with Naruto since he saves her more times than the amount of fingers she has on her left hand.

Like someone else said we already know how Hinata feels about Naruto, we already know that she will give her life for him since she lives for him, the problem is that Kishi is focusing too much on a one dimension character when he promise that all favorite characters will shine and that he will focus on making Sakura more heroine like from now on.

So no, Hinata gating panel time shoudn't bother anyone as long that the other side character are gating some development aswell, Bu Kishi should know to separate Main character from side characters.

If I'm honest I think Naruto gets the same treatment when it comes to Sasuke, so Sakura and Naruto suffers from Kishi bad writing but Sakura suffers a lot more.

[PhenixElite]

I don't think someone saving your life should force you to fall in love with them love is a mutual stuff not an obligation, if that was a valid reason then Sakura most end up with Naruto since he saves her more times than the amount of fingers she has on her left hand.

Like someone else said we already know how Hinata feels about Naruto, we already know that she will give her life for him since she lives for him, the problem is that Kishi is focusing too much on a one dimension character when he promise that all favorite characters will shine and that he will focus on making Sakura more heroine like from now on.

So no, Hinata gating panel time shoudn't bother anyone as long that the other side character are gating some development aswell, Bu Kishi should know to separate Main character from side characters.

If I'm honest I think Naruto gets the same treatment when it comes to Sasuke, so Sakura and Naruto suffers from Kishi bad writing but Sakura suffers a lot more.

Yeah he promised that all our favourite characters are going to shine. But he didnt say when in the war. Im sure this is still going to happen. Maybe during the plan that shikaku told them.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yeah he promised that all our favourite characters are going to shine. But he didnt say when in the war. Im sure this is still going to happen. Maybe during the plan that shikaku told them.

he told us that it would be specifically on this arc.

The next chapter will be probably the last that hinata get a focus.

[James S Cassidy]

Okay you know what. I am tired of reading these posts on the forum so I am drawing the line right now.

@NS fans who are telling the other not to worry
Shut up. Let them worry if they want to. They have the right to voice their opinion if they want to. I am not worried, but if they want to worry and feel threatened let them. I know, thinking like this leads to miscommunication and mis-reading what Kishimoto is trying to say or do or whatever. The facts don't look good in NS favor and yes Hinata is getting a lot of screen time. That is true and we can't deny that. I won't be blind to the truth and facts of this manga, but there is another truth to it and I will get to that.

@Worried NS fans.
Look, to be honest, you have a right to be worried and voice your opinion, but spreading negativity and claiming like it is the end of the manga/shipping is not doing you any good. Is 614 the end of the manga? Is 615 the end of the manga? Oh stop with the "We're trying to be realistic" attitudes please. If you really want to have a realistic viewing then you will say that yes Hinata is getting screentime, but this isn't the end. You have no clue what is going to happen in the up coming chapters and while we are coming to an end to the manga we are not there yet. Anything can happen still at this point. Will still have to have the Naruto vs Sasuke fight, do you really think Sakura is going to be left out during that moment? If you think the focus is about Team 7, then yes Sakura will play a part.

I am not worried myself. Did these chapters irk me? Yes, but not for the same reasons. I am irked because it feels like pointless drama with Hinata who once again not only has no development, but still stuck as this bleh character. Even with no focus on her, I still think Sakura is a better character and the history of the manga shows this. We can't ignore all that because of everything that has happened in the last few chapters.

I guarantee that if/when Sakura gets more focus in the up coming chapters, we will all be laughing at how worried people were, but please stop the negativity. We already got stress from the NH fans and their crazy conspiracy theories, we don't need that here. Yeah you can have your theories and be worried and wonder if Kishi is being a good writer, but it's not helping to spread negativity and that is what is pissing people off the most.

Regardless of "the facts," I am remaining positive. I am going to remain positive to the end and like how I can't fault you for wanting to be worried, you can't fault me for wanting to stay true to my feelings. I will keep the hope alive even through the storm. If NaruSaku is true then nothing can phase it. Not Sasuke and not Hinata. The best part about a true love relationship is that is can survive anything.

I am sorry if I offend anyone with what I have said, but come on. We are NS fans. We are not going to have a civil war with each other. Not if I can help it.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 19 December 2012 - 09:11 PM.

[naruto-z]

Gotta put it out there, I agree with James one hundred percent. I've felt the same way for a long time now. I know we all love narusaku and I know there are times when we all feel uncomfortable about things. This is a public forum and we appreciate everyone expressing their own opinions openly. However, it has, once again, reached the point where everything that occurs becomes a pro-narusaku or anti-narusaku argument. It's alright to express your opinions on fandoms but it shouldn't be the only thing, and not the primary discussion we're having. No one, really, wants to read about how one person has lost all hope. Saying that will not change anyone else's opinion and it does not further any discussions.

[kirabook]

I haven't really seen anyone here announce absolutely that "This is the end of NS" or "NS won't happen anymore." Mostly people reconsidering where NH currently stands on the point chart. (and a lot of disappointment from Sakura not getting much screen time, and a few disappointed at the lack of other characters not getting screen time)

If NS is at 2000 points at this point, I believe NH moved from 300 to 375 points in the latest chapter. Maybe less. (Note, these numbers are completely hypothetical and made up solely with the purpose of expressing how NS is not exactly threatened, but the confidence boost the NH fandom took from the latest chapter)

[KnS]

I just don't see why Hinata is THAT important that she would be focused on more than the others just to see her have development.

Maybe it will help to look at it this way. Hinata, more than any other character in the story, represents Naruto's affect on his peers and his village. His optimism, bravery, and dedication to what he believes is right -- despite initially being shunned and branded a loser/idiot -- changes people. Hinata herself said that these qualities in Naruto "saved her" and she always wanted to be by his side because of it.

In my opinion, Hinata is getting panel time right now because this is her resolution. I see the purpose of Neji's sacrifice as twofold. (1) He reinforced Itachi's message to Naruto that he's not an island, and that he's carrying all the hopes and dreams of everyone who dies or is willing to die for him to achieve the Greater Good. (2) He fulfilled his Hyuga destiny, bringing into sharp focus that Hinata has another, greater purpose in life and that she, like Naruto, now carries the responsibility of Neji's hopes and dreams. Neji sacrificed himself as much for Hinata as he did Naruto.

For a long time now there's been this question of how Kishimoto could be so cruel as to break Hinata's heart and not give her Naruto when she's such a nice girl. (Let's just ignore the obvious that this is not her story, and her feelings aren't the focus.) I've wondered that too -- how Kishimoto would resolve Hinata's feelings favorably, since the evidence (starting with Naruto's consistent lack of romantic interest in her) suggests she's not going to end up with Naruto.

The only answer was for Kishi to change Hinata's perception of her own role, and I think that's what we're going to see happen after Neji's death. Neji's sacrifice finally gives Hinata a tangible purpose beyond her crush: a heroic path of her own to pursue as a part of the Hyuga legacy. She now has the means to walk by Naruto's side in the Big Picture sense, and not simply because she has a crush on him.

I see this latest chapter as having great potential to be a win/win. Except for poor Neji.

The only thing that worries me is that kishi will use these opportunities to make Naruto see Hinata in a different light.

In case what I said above doesn't help, consider Naruto's expression in the latest chapter:



Now, remember this from the Pein arc?



After 177 chapters there's no change. Naruto's expression and attitude reflect concern, if not outright panic at Hinata's presence. Why? I think because he knows Hinata is out of her league. I think he worries more about Hinata because, quite frankly, he knows she's insecure, lacks confidence in her skills, and despite her brave intentions simply isn't up to the challenge. The entire basis of their interactions has been Naruto giving her pep talks about her capability; it's no surprise that he would be concerned.

Truthfully, Naruto hasn't been able to accept anyone's help or sacrifice. That's the point. He doesn't want anyone getting hurt or dying because of him. He was mad at Sasuke for saving him during their fight with Haku, he doesn't want Hinata making sacrifices, and he said the same thing to Neji -- "Why would you go this far for me...?! Sacrificing your life..." (No doubt he would've had the same reaction to Sakura protecting him and Sasuke in the Forest of Death if he hadn't been unconscious at the time.)

It's kind of telling that about Neji Naruto says, "Why... Not in a place like this...!! You're the Hyuga's..." What's the end of that sentence? Genius? Strongest person? Only hope? No matter what it is, it tells you that he doesn't consider Hinata to be on the same level.

Contrast that to his confidence in Sakura. He knows Sakura, knows what she's capable of handling. He trusts her. This is something he simply doesn't share with Hinata, and when taken with Naruto's stated love for Sakura... well, there's just not enough time left in the story for Hinata to realistically overcome the bond Naruto shares with Sakura or his feelings for her.

Besides, I still think there's a very good chance we will see Obito test Naruto's resolve by threatening Sakura in some way. If that happens, I think Naruto's heart will be laid bare for the world to see. Then there will be a resolution of some kind with Sasuke, and what will remain is Sakura's choice.

Just my opinion.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Maybe it will help to look at it this way. Hinata, more than any other character in the story, represents Naruto's affect on his peers and his village. His optimism, bravery, and dedication to what he believes is right -- despite initially being shunned and branded a loser/idiot -- changes people. Hinata herself said that these qualities in Naruto "saved her" and she always wanted to be by his side because of it.

In my opinion, Hinata is getting panel time right now because this is her resolution. I see the purpose of Neji's sacrifice as twofold. (1) He reinforced Itachi's message to Naruto that he's not an island, and that he's carrying all the hopes and dreams of everyone who dies or is willing to die for him to achieve the Greater Good. (2) He fulfilled his Hyuga destiny, bringing into sharp focus that Hinata has another, greater purpose in life and that she, like Naruto, now carries the responsibility of Neji's hopes and dreams. Neji sacrificed himself as much for Hinata as he did Naruto.

For a long time now there's been this question of how Kishimoto could be so cruel as to break Hinata's heart and not give her Naruto when she's such a nice girl. (Let's just ignore the obvious that this is not her story, and her feelings aren't the focus.) I've wondered that too -- how Kishimoto would resolve Hinata's feelings favorably, since the evidence (starting with Naruto's consistent lack of romantic interest in her) suggests she's not going to end up with Naruto.

The only answer was for Kishi to change Hinata's perception of her own role, and I think that's what we're going to see happen after Neji's death. Neji's sacrifice finally gives Hinata a tangible purpose beyond her crush: a heroic path of her own to pursue as a part of the Hyuga legacy. She now has the means to walk by Naruto's side in the Big Picture sense, and not simply because she has a crush on him.

I see this latest chapter as having great potential to be a win/win. Except for poor Neji.



In case what I said above doesn't help, consider Naruto's expression in the latest chapter:



Now, remember this from the Pein arc?



After 177 chapters there's no change. Naruto's expression and attitude reflect concern, if not outright panic at Hinata's presence. Why? I think because he knows Hinata is out of her league. I think he worries more about Hinata because, quite frankly, he knows she's insecure, lacks confidence in her skills, and despite her brave intentions simply isn't up to the challenge. The entire basis of their interactions has been Naruto giving her pep talks about her capability; it's no surprise that he would be concerned.

Truthfully, Naruto hasn't been able to accept anyone's help or sacrifice. That's the point. He doesn't want anyone getting hurt or dying because of him. He was mad at Sasuke for saving him during their fight with Haku, he doesn't want Hinata making sacrifices, and he said the same thing to Neji -- "Why would you go this far for me...?! Sacrificing your life..." (No doubt he would've had the same reaction to Sakura protecting him and Sasuke in the Forest of Death if he hadn't been unconscious at the time.)

It's kind of telling that about Neji Naruto says, "Why... Not in a place like this...!! You're the Hyuga's..." What's the end of that sentence? Genius? Strongest person? Only hope? No matter what it is, it tells you that he doesn't consider Hinata to be on the same level.

Contrast that to his confidence in Sakura. He knows Sakura, knows what she's capable of handling. He trusts her. This is something he simply doesn't share with Hinata, and when taken with Naruto's stated love for Sakura... well, there's just not enough time left in the story for Hinata to realistically overcome the bond Naruto shares with Sakura or his feelings for her.

Besides, I still think there's a very good chance we will see Obito test Naruto's resolve by threatening Sakura in some way. If that happens, I think Naruto's heart will be laid bare for the world to see. Then there will be a resolution of some kind with Sasuke, and what will remain is Sakura's choice.

Just my opinion.

Finnaly a very good post.
It's a time for hinata to grow for her own and become strong not for naruto but to assume the leadership of her clan.
I think kishimoto will make hinata obssession for naruto stop.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 December 2012 - 09:42 PM.

[swagosaurus]

^ That would redeem her character in my eyes.

[James S Cassidy]

I haven't really seen anyone here announce absolutely that "This is the end of NS" or "NS won't happen anymore." Mostly people reconsidering where NH currently stands on the point chart. (and a lot of disappointment from Sakura not getting much screen time, and a few disappointed at the lack of other characters not getting screen time)

If NS is at 2000 points at this point, I believe NH moved from 300 to 375 points in the latest chapter. Maybe less. (Note, these numbers are completely hypothetical and made up solely with the purpose of expressing how NS is not exactly threatened, but the confidence boost the NH fandom took from the latest chapter)

You're missing the point entirely. I can't explain it any clearer than I have.

No, no one has announced "This is the end of NS" exactly, but half of you are behaving like it is. Some of have even said "Maybe NH is the choice pairing." I've read that at least twice now in this thread. And no, you're not reconsidering where NH stands, you're reconsidering where Kishi is taking the manga and implying that NH is the main canon pairing. I can read it clearly in the posts that people make in past 2-3 pages.

Then not only that, but when another person whether me or someone else gives notion that a person is overreacting and cites everything that has happened in the manga to back up their claim it gets shot down with negativity.

"Kishi has lost focus in the manga. He doesn't know what he is writing about. I thought he was trying to make Sakura a heroine." That has more or less been the topic for the past 3 pages. And you know, people can deny this and say "No, no we are not trying to do that." Well your posts say different. Go back and read them again. Half of it is negativity and criticizing the other half of the NS fanbase saying that we can't ignore the facts because of our pairing choice. What if I said "I am not ignoring the facts, I am just staying positive."

Let me ask you this, if you all are just "reconsidering" where NH stands, but still think NS is the choice pairing, then why are all you panicking? Why so much negativity that many members are posting?

If they are not trying to be negative, that's not the impression the posts are giving off.

[tricksie]

It's kind of telling that about Neji Naruto says, "Why... Not in a place like this...!! You're the Hyuga's..." What's the end of that sentence? Genius? Strongest person? Only hope? No matter what it is, it tells you that he doesn't consider Hinata to be on the same level.

Perfectly put. So true. And it really helps bring into perspective Hinata's hero worship as her personal thing to overcome. Neji's death may be the catalyst that helps her "grow up" into her role as Hyuga head.

Besides, I still think there's a very good chance we will see Obito test Naruto's resolve by threatening Sakura in some way. If that happens, I think Naruto's heart will be laid bare for the world to see. Then there will be a resolution of some kind with Sasuke, and what will remain is Sakura's choice.

I tend to agree. She is being featured very steadily now. I feel like something is building for her. Obito's hell-bent on despair in a way Pain never was. Pain wanted Naruto. The destruction was just a way to scare the villagers into giving him up. If Naruto had been presented, then he would have stopped.

But Obito seems to have a personal vendetta. To that end, he wants to make people suffer. With the parallels in the team stories, and Obito's lust for despair, it seems reasonable that something could happen to Sakura and/or Kakashi.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Perfectly put. So true. And it really helps bring into perspective Hinata's hero worship as her personal thing to overcome. Neji's death may be the catalyst that helps her "grow up" into her role as Hyuga head.


I tend to agree. She is being featured very steadily now. I feel like something is building for her. Obito's hell-bent on despair in a way Pain never was. Pain wanted Naruto. The destruction was just a way to scare the villagers into giving him up. If Naruto had been presented, then he would have stopped.

But Obito seems to have a personal vendetta. To that end, he wants to make people suffer. With the parallels in the team stories, and Obito's lust for despair, it seems reasonable that something could happen to Sakura and/or Kakashi.

Yep, that what i thought with this chapter he's finishing the development of characters inst hinata's dream to surpass neji? her biggest desire on part 1 was just about she do not wanted to be seen as a weak, i think with this her development is done, being the head of her clan.
About kakashi and sakura is undoubtely they will help naruto since naruto need that jutsu.
And moreover, obito will be converted by talk no jutsu, i dont see him ressurrecting madara or dying with no reason, naruto did not kill anyone on the series this will not be the day that he will kill someome.

[KeikoxYusuke]

I agree! I hope she does develop like that! Come on Hinata, you can do it!



.....I still wish that Neji didn't have to die to make it happen tho...but...I guess Kishi couldn't risk killing off Hinata right? and I don't want her to die either...I ...I wanted her to be with Neji.... it's my ship man.

well...besides Narusaku...

[Don-kun]

@James S Cassidy
According to what I read so far, I didn't notice that much sense of panic among NS fans when I compared it to chapter 540.
Since I love to go back and read what was NS fans thought in many of the major pairing moments in the Manga, back then I genuinely saw a real fandom meltdown lol, but I did see some user gating angry at fans expressing their thought. James you like myself get very annoyed by too much Sasuke focus while I also get annoyed with too much Hinata focus, and the thing with Hinata is that they actually remove established Teammates to add her character, examples are excluding Shika and Choji to use Hinata has Ino's support and removing the focus from Team Guys losing a member to focus Neji's death on Hinata with out the panel changing back to his Teammates, something that we always saw in the past with other characters death.

So far the Manga is fine but focusing on character while ignoring other because of fans demand is not cool either and people are complaining about it.

[James S Cassidy]

@James S Cassidy
According to what I read so far, I didn't notice that much sense of panic among NS fans when I compared it to chapter 540.
Since I love to go back and read what was NS fans thought in many of the major pairing moments in the Manga, back then I genuinely saw a real fandom meltdown lol, but I did see some user gating angry at fans expressing their thought. James you like myself get very annoyed by too much Sasuke focus while I also get annoyed with too much Hinata focus, and the thing with Hinata is that they actually remove established Teammates to add her character, examples are excluding Shika and Choji to use Hinata has Ino's support and removing the focus from Team Guys losing a member to focus Neji's death on Hinata with out the panel changing back to his Teammates, something that we always saw in the past with other characters death.

Yeah, but I am not sitting here like some of the members are doing and saying "Oh Kishi lost his focus." No, it is not as bad as 540, but it is slowly starting to be and it seems like if 615 has any focus of Hinata in any way half of you all will lose your marbles. I don't like Sasuke focus anymore not because I see it as a threat to other characters or some pairing reason, but the fact that I am bored with him. We know where Sasuke is going to go so why should I continue to follow? I rather wait for him at the finish line, so to speak.

I can see it in the members posting, but I don't want give specifics because the last time I did people get pissed off and claim that I am insulting them even though I am just trying to point out a folly. One problem with this forum is some of you hate to be proven wrong and take it as being an insult when no insult was given. (I hate to bring this topic up, but it has been an annoying factor that has plagued some members.)

Should I give examples? I could, but I am only going to do it if everyone promises not to be pissed off if I do.

So far the Manga is fine but focusing on character while ignoring other because of fans demand is not cool either and people are complaining about it.

Well, apparently the manga is not fine if people are having a problem. At least not to them it isn't.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 19 December 2012 - 10:51 PM.

[sushi.]

Should I give examples? I could, but I am only going to do it if everyone promises not to be pissed off if I do.

I wanna know After all, I think I was the one saying I was trying to be realistic.

With that, I mean, I think Kishi is trying to give NH fanservice, to squeeze it in the end. I wasn't worried that NS would not happen, I just don't like that way of writing.

[swagosaurus]

I really try hard not to think like this, but this is the only arc where Hinata has played a major role/gotten lots of screen time. I feel like NH is going to get wrapped up during it; perhaps Neji's death will be a wake up call for her?

I really hope Kishi has noticed how tunnel-visioned Hinata is, and how much depth she REALLY has.

[redragon88]

@KnS

You, my friend, have just made a post full of epic win.

That's precisely what I'm hoping to see from Hinata in the next chapters. I want her attitude to go from the timid girl she always is to one that if full of resolve so that she doesn't let Neji's sacrifice go in vain.

If Naruto gets to see Hinata's new found determination, he'll understand that she's no more the shy little girl that needs encouragement, but a strong ninja that will move forward no matter what. And Kishi is bold enough to make Hinata acknowledge that Naruto doesn't love her but then say that she'll defend him no matter what with her pride as a Hyuga on the line, I'll gain a new found respect for both Hinata and Kishimoto himself.

[Don-kun]

@KnS

You, my friend, have just made a post full of epic win.

That's precisely what I'm hoping to see from Hinata in the next chapters. I want her attitude to go from the timid girl she always is to one that if full of resolve so that she doesn't let Neji's sacrifice go in vain.

If Naruto gets to see Hinata's new found determination, he'll understand that she's no more the shy little girl that needs encouragement, but a strong ninja that will move forward no matter what. And Kishi is bold enough to make Hinata acknowledge that Naruto doesn't love her but then say that she'll defend him no matter what with her pride as a Hyuga on the line, I'll gain a new found respect for both Hinata and Kishimoto himself.

Makes us two, but i will be even more happy if after all of that Kishi also gave her back her background role she had in the past, since she is too bland for my liking and her fandom is too damn loud.

[sushi.]

I really try hard not to think like this, but this is the only arc where Hinata has played a major role/gotten lots of screen time. I feel like NH is going to get wrapped up during it; perhaps Neji's death will be a wake up call for her?

I really hope Kishi has noticed how tunnel-visioned Hinata is, and how much depth she REALLY has.

He will probably not have much time for her in the next arc, the same goes for the other rookies. So I think he'll give her closure now because she needs to back off in the next arc. ^^