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[Liu bie]

I still wonder if the CPR scene will be brought up as comic relief. Lol

I would like the CPR will take it serious then comedy, but If there is open ending comedy will crush NS precious CPR moment.

[Iwantbuns]

I think you were expecting the romance to be well written when you shouldn't have. 693 was done for the sole purpose of creating a parallel to a previous chapter in part one with some differences.

 

I didn't say I was expecting the romance to be well written. I'm just saying that when Kishi develops things and hints at things on one side, but then contradicts it by hinting at a completely different theme on the other side, it just gets illogical. Simply, it doesn't make sense.

 

And that was your own inference. Who the heck knows what 693 was supposed to 'mean'? Maybe it just happened, just cause... it did. So many things could be inferred from what happened.

 

 

@Iwantbuns:

 

I will always stress how much I think 693 damaged bits of Sakura's character and some of NaruSaku's credibility in the eyes of the fans, but I don't think we should give up. Kishimoto likes confusing the readers and I think 693 was a ploy for ambiguity and to give fans like SS/NH fans false hope. The same thing with how Naruto said "not everything is going the way mom wants" about finding a girl like her. That shouldn't have been ambiguous, but Kishi complicated it and now you have NH fans arguing he'll fall for a girl not like his mom. ( )

 

Don't forget Sakura's confession doesn't eliminate all the NS development quite yet. There's still more to see. And while I think we lost believable pairing writing a long time ago, this still can all be solved by Sakura letting go of Sasuke because of that violent genjutsu and realizing her feelings for Naruto during this Naruto vs. Sasuke fight. Or a forehead scene if you believe that will happen.

 

I don't think Kishi's losing story. I just think he's trying too hard to make all pairings look ambiguous so he can say he surprised the readers with the end pair at the end. That ruins every pairing's credibility, but he thinks it's 'smart'. And it's confusing and exhausting as kitten for us, especially those who have been with these pairing wars for 15 years.

 

I don't doubt NS will happen. I'm just sick of Kishimoto playing around with the pairings and ruining credibility because he thinks he's being unpredictable. He's not IMO. It's transparent to me which annoys me even more because I see all these unnecessary complications and it has absolutely no point.

 

I'm not saying I'm "giving up" on NaruSaku. I'm just really clueless about what Kishi has in store for these "pairings" that he created so very easily, just by making people subtly like each other... He's hinting at so many at the same time, and he's killing every single one of them at the same time. It just makes you wonder what the heck he's doing. Yeah, Kishi's unpredictable, but maybe he doesn't even care enough to make it logical, and actually fit. And pairings are extremely important in terms of even their futures - so if Kishi hints at something, he can't just ignore it the next second. Then any hint we get could easily mean nothing. So then, what?

 

He's trying to make us 'infer' this s**t? The manga's ending. He has to be clear by now. Maybe he's doing it for viewers, and purposefully leaving the conclusion of pairings at the very end, so that half his fans can bash him at the end of the story, instead of during it? Weird but possible...

 

And isn't it really late to do all this? The confession, the forehead thing, Sakura realizing her feelings... It's just so late, that it makes you think nothing is gonna even happen. So what's the point? Trust me, it's transparent to all of us. I love the pairing of NaruSaku, and the logic is what makes it the most beautiful - but if Kishi makes it this complicated, he shouldn't even bother with any pairings at all. And it's not really that hard for him. He built an amazing foundation for NaruSaku, he gave Sakura all the time in the world to sort out her feelings, and even develop as a character, he proved how Naruto and Sakura are selfless to each other - so what in the world is/was he waiting for?

 

It's pretty messed up..

Edited by Iwantbuns, 13 October 2014 - 05:55 AM.

[abloublou]

@Iwantbuns:

 

I will always stress how much I think 693 damaged bits of Sakura's character and some of NaruSaku's credibility in the eyes of the fans, but I don't think we should give up. Kishimoto likes confusing the readers and I think 693 was a ploy for ambiguity and to give fans like SS/NH fans false hope. The same thing with how Naruto said "not everything is going the way mom wants" about finding a girl like her. That shouldn't have been ambiguous, but Kishi complicated it and now you have NH fans arguing he'll fall for a girl not like his mom. ( )

 

Don't forget Sakura's confession doesn't eliminate all the NS development quite yet. There's still more to see. And while I think we lost believable pairing writing a long time ago, this still can all be solved by Sakura letting go of Sasuke because of that violent genjutsu and realizing her feelings for Naruto during this Naruto vs. Sasuke fight. Or a forehead scene if you believe that will happen.

 

I don't think Kishi's losing story. I just think he's trying too hard to make all pairings look ambiguous so he can say he surprised the readers with the end pair at the end. That ruins every pairing's credibility, but he thinks it's 'smart'. And it's confusing and exhausting as kitten for us, especially those who have been with these pairing wars for 15 years.

 

I don't doubt NS will happen. I'm just sick of Kishimoto playing around with the pairings and ruining credibility because he thinks he's being unpredictable. He's not IMO. It's transparent to me which annoys me even more because I see all these unnecessary complications and it has absolutely no point.

 

I agree.

And it also get in the way of his female character growth...

Everyone still clinging to their crush to the point of insanity.

 

Why are the NH fans so aggressive ?.There are always angry when in conversation of pairing,i always wonder.

 

SS fans ain't much better but they are not this aggressive,they just keep on fantasizing their so called pairing no matter what.

SS is less agressive because it's a female fanbase, while NH has lot of fanboys.

Female shippers are a bit more relaxed.

Edited by abloublou, 13 October 2014 - 08:34 AM.

[Zodd]

 Iwantbuns, your question piqued my interest and I would like to add my own perspective.

I didn't say I was expecting the romance to be well written. I'm just saying that when Kishi develops things and hints at things on one side, but then contradicts it by hinting at a completely different theme on the other side, it just gets illogical. Simply, it doesn't make sense.
 
And that was your own inference. Who the heck knows what 693 was supposed to 'mean'? Maybe it just happened, just cause... it did. So many things could be inferred from what happened.

 
 But this is what writing is all about.
 
Kishimoto is not the best at writing romance, but not because of the shoddiness of the dynamics.
 
His dynamics are actually on point. Various love interests that appear to contradict each other. The ups and downs that either pulls characters apart or brings them closer together. The art of writing any romance is to deceive the reader. This builds attachment to the characters.
 
A person being able to sit down and pinpoint who gets with who makes it not a challenge. We as human despise drama, yet we crave it. When there is no drama in terms of romance we often complain it is boring!
 
What truly makes Kishimoto romance written poorly are actually how his female characters are portrayed.  And in some cases, the males. 
 
For example, let us reference the infamous confession scene depicting Sakura.  In Kishimoto's eyes he had portrayed her as honest yet stern.  Heroic, basically.  
 
However, upon examination this scene rather conveys Sakura as using Naruto's feelings.  In this case, and in many situations in terms of romance, Sakura is often the victim.  It is because of these dynamics he seems to struggle to write a convincing female without her appearing to be a scumbag.
 
Kishimoto chose her words wrongly if he was attempting to portray Sakura as "honest" as he said.  Rather he turned many against her, and made it appear Naruto was accusing every thing she was saying was a lie.  He was shocked in the interview to be told this, this proves that often Kishimoto shoots himself in the foot in terms of Sakura's development.
 
During the bench scene of Sasuke leaving, Sakura was portrayed as a desperate love-sick girl.  Again, this goes hand to hand with how Kishimoto clearly does not know how to write females in a romantic standpoint.  He seems to flat line to the basics of extreme and devoted love and adhere to stereotypes.
 
Basically, Kishimoto does well by throwing multiple 'potential' pairings in the mix, while gradually and subtly hinting and building up the main one.  But Kishimoto is bad at writing female characters with realistic emotions and feelings, as well as conveying them in a more indirect heroic manner. (Indirect as in nothing as deliberate as jumping in front of Pain and saying you love someone!)
 

I'm not saying I'm "giving up" on NaruSaku. I'm just really clueless about what Kishi has in store for these "pairings" that he created so very easily, just by making people subtly like each other... He's hinting at so many at the same time, and he's killing every single one of them at the same time. It just makes you wonder what the heck he's doing. Yeah, Kishi's unpredictable, but maybe he doesn't even care enough to make it logical, and actually fit. And pairings are extremely important in terms of even their futures - so if Kishi hints at something, he can't just ignore it the next second. Then any hint we get could easily mean nothing. So then, what?

 
He is building contrasting pairings to keep the reader engage, to hopefully keep them wondering who gets with who.  
 
Believe it or not literature is suppose to be taken in as a whole despite how the various pairing fandoms make it appear its fragmented.  You are familiar in terms of how pairing fandoms form, or rather, how "ships" form.  Generally, based on the literature provided, an individual makes their own deduction on both what they prefer, and what they believe the author is hinting to for end-game. 
 
Often time literature is misunderstood.   We often miss certain things that other people may pick up.  Also, people have a tendency of distorting literature to suit their own fantasies of what appeals to their taste.  If people misunderstood an author's intentions, perhaps there is a flaw with the writing.  But we must also acknowledge that there very well may be a flaw with the person them self. 
 
These pairing fandoms tend to distort Kishimoto's work into something that ONLY supporting the pairing they want.  This is not the correct way to read Naruto or any sort of literature be it comic/manga based or a book.  
 
We must first come to acknowledge that this tug and pull in terms of having these pairing hints is done intentionally.  If we were to read this with a clear mind with no bias toward any pairing we would begin to see this much more easily.  The key is objectivity.  Through objectivity, every scene, even the ones including Hinata with Naruto, as well as Sakura with Sasuke makes complete sense.  To me without these other characters and potential pairings Naruto getting with Sakura would be far less interesting.  Sakura's love for Sasuke and Hinata's love for Naruto creates an magnet inbetween Sakura and Naruto. It is the only pairing that has so much conflict, yet it is still consistently and reliably hinted. 
 
We are given a copious amount of parallels, a scene where Yamato is conviently interupted.  Scenes with Naruto noticing Sakura is upset or she noticing he is upset....We are given layers upon layers of evidence, with even other characters throwing in their opinions on the matter.  
 
As for Sakura with Sasuke.  We were shown quite a bit how much he hurts her, in spirit and physically.  We were shown Naruto and Kakashi reacting negatively to this as well.  This is not romance at this point, this is an emphasis on Kishimoto's part that that relationship is a dead end.  He of course threw in the occasional hint to keep us engaged! And it worked, it has you indeed questioning what was the point of it all.  ..That was the point!
 
Naruto and Hinata is a much more positive light, and it serves as a big contrast in terms of SasukexSakura.  Perhaps this was done intentionally? I cannot and will not speculate on what can be written off as personal theory about that.  However, the Naruto and Hinata moments appear to be utilize in such a way to cause a roller coster of the constant questions of will Hinata succeed to win Naruto over, just like similarly there are(or were ;)) the question of will Sakura succeed to win Sasuke over.
 

He's trying to make us 'infer' this s**t? The manga's ending. He has to be clear by now. Maybe he's doing it for viewers, and purposefully leaving the conclusion of pairings at the very end, so that half his fans can bash him at the end of the story, instead of during it? Weird but possible...

 
Unlike 99% of Shonens, Naruto has a lot of romance.  All canon romance not from simply fillers either.  I am surprised that Kishimoto could get away with so much.  But with how much he has crowed that he loves to write romance(or attempt to) I do not believe he will leave the loose-end for the main pairing he has been building up.  If he does then that means it was out of his control. Considering he supervised the RtN movie, and it became very influenced with NarutoxSakura there is no doubt in my mind he will want to see the pairing in his very own manga into fruition.
 
What if you are wrong? Perhaps I am wrong.  That's a big chance of something perhaps going astray and he does not imply a final pairing in the manga. But based on the build-up, I seriously doubt this. Again, Naruto is not your average Shonen. It should be considered a big hint that Naruto implies he will tell Sakura how he feels once he brings Sasuke back in.  And Naruto is now attempting to "bring" Sasuke back, but so far at this point of the manga has not quite succeeded just yet!
 

And isn't it really late to do all this? The confession, the forehead thing, Sakura realizing her feelings... It's just so late, that it makes you think nothing is gonna even happen. So what's the point? Trust me, it's transparent to all of us. I love the pairing of NaruSaku, and the logic is what makes it the most beautiful - but if Kishi makes it this complicated, he shouldn't even bother with any pairings at all. And it's not really that hard for him. He built an amazing foundation for NaruSaku, he gave Sakura all the time in the world to sort out her feelings, and even develop as a character, he proved how Naruto and Sakura are selfless to each other - so what in the world is/was he waiting for?
 
It's pretty messed up..

It's squashed indeed. Romance is not the only thing that suffered a squash. Kishimoto rushed many dynamics.

But perhaps what he is honestly waiting for is THE END before he unveils the MAIN pairing to happen. Rest of pairings will probably be implied(if they had not been already). Personally I find any sort of literature that tries to pair off every single character as redundant.

Keep your head high, and be assured your feelings and thoughts are the normal. There is much apprehension in the air with Naruto ending and we all are curious if ALL of Kishimoto's foreshadowing was for naught. Considering he did a CPR scene, which the romantic overtones of her literally clutching Naruto's heart I believe things are a wrap. Other pairings wish they got as much showtime and beautifully written twists and turns. They simply jelly.

 

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TL:DR/Summary: Kishimoto added various pairings to cause more relationship dynamics. What he really is bad at is writing a more convincing female character. Out of all the pairing Naruto and Sakura have the most parallels as well as various other characters giving their opinions on it. Naruto is a rarebreed of Shonen showcasing a copious amount of romance and it should be noted that with this intense build up it should be clear that Kishimoto hopes to end things on a NaruSaku note.

I enjoyed very much reading your post(s) and responding to this. I hope I could offer you some more insight with my point of view.

Thank you.

Edited by Zodd, 13 October 2014 - 09:47 AM.

[rocci]

@zodd
Amazing. I agree with you.
Naruto is a dramatic battle manga. Sometimes I believe people get fed up with the amount of drama on it. Maybe that's why it still sell well despite the hate it got. I think Japanese love drama.

Anyway, do you read berserk?
Do you think it will with have happy ending or history will repeat itself?

[Syn11]

Anyway, do you read berserk?
Do you think it will with have happy ending or history will repeat itself?

It's better to ask if there will be an ending at all. =)

 

@Zodd.

Kishimoto also faces the vicissitudes of being translated into other languages and cultures. I'm sure he's deliberately ambiguous when writing romance (not only it, but this part suffers to the point where the other characters have to explain what the heroine implied when speaking about her feelings). And after the grinder of translation the ambiguity hits the ceiling: black turns into white and vice versa.

 

He's also putting 90% of the romantic development on the heroines' shoulders and so-called witnesses. And the male partners usually fail together with the females leading to the terrific examples like the LOI confession. I always say that Naruto and Sakura are still young (so they make mistakes) and that is why some lapses look quite realistic if we keep in mind their age, but many readers prefer more adult romance and demand as much. Although I don't find SS and NH as something more mature... oh well.

Edited by Syn11, 13 October 2014 - 01:48 PM.

[Princess Iris]

Guys, if we take CPR vs Handhold, is it a symbolism? ??

like Hinata reaches his hand while Sakura reaches his heart


also that When he was dying, Hinata couldn't reach while Sakura reached

[Syn11]

Guys, if we take CPR vs Handhold, is it a symbolism? ??

like Hinata reaches his hand while Sakura reaches his heart


also that When he was dying, Hinata couldn't reach while Sakura reached

Yep, the handhold stands for friendhisp/comradeship, while CPR stands for love. The CPR scene should be viewed together with the contrasting Tsunade/Dan parallel (the man died on the battlefield, and his lover couldn't save him). There was also a TsuETDan forehead kiss foreshadowing NS progress.

Edited by Syn11, 13 October 2014 - 02:06 PM.

[NarutoFan0304]

Guys, if we take CPR vs Handhold, is it a symbolism? ??
like Hinata reaches his hand while Sakura reaches his heart
also that When he was dying, Hinata couldn't reach while Sakura reached

As far as the second part, I think Kishi definently did that on purpose. Naruto's dying and both Sakura and Hinata are trying to help. Sakura goes with him to keep him alive while Hinata trips, face plants, and isn't show again until IT. He specifically went out of his way to show Hinata fail to get to him. Not to mention the next chapter's (CPR scence) release date in Japan was February 10, the week of Valentines day. Pretty clear where Kishi was going with all that.

[Princess Iris]

As far as the second part, I think Kishi definently did that on purpose. Naruto's dying and both Sakura and Hinata are trying to help. Sakura goes with him to keep him alive while Hinata trips, face plants, and isn't show again until IT. He specifically went out of his way to show Hinata fail to get to him. Not to mention the next chapter's (CPR scence) release date in Japan was February 10, the week of Valentines day. Pretty clear where Kishi was going with all that.

lol right!

@Syn11
I can't consider CPR be romantic...but it was TOUCHING moment
and I bet most SS fans wanted Sasuke there


do u think Sakura was aware about Sasuke too??

Edited by Princess Iris, 13 October 2014 - 02:30 PM.

[六道仙人]

aware or not, she didn't give a kitten for him in those moments.

[Princess Iris]

aware or not, she didn't give a kitten for him in those moments.

as for me, being aware about him is pretty much proving that Inspite of presence of Tsunade, she went there knowing Sasuke too, is going to die .....and she still loved him


so....dun u think it is symbolizing

[Iwantbuns]

 Iwantbuns, your question piqued my interest and I would like to add my own perspective.

 
 But this is what writing is all about.
 
Kishimoto is not the best at writing romance, but not because of the shoddiness of the dynamics.
 
His dynamics are actually on point. Various love interests that appear to contradict each other. The ups and downs that either pulls characters apart or brings them closer together. The art of writing any romance is to deceive the reader. This builds attachment to the characters.
 
A person being able to sit down and pinpoint who gets with who makes it not a challenge. We as human despise drama, yet we crave it. When there is no drama in terms of romance we often complain it is boring!
 
What truly makes Kishimoto romance written poorly are actually how his female characters are portrayed.  And in some cases, the males. 
 
For example, let us reference the infamous confession scene depicting Sakura.  In Kishimoto's eyes he had portrayed her as honest yet stern.  Heroic, basically.  
 
However, upon examination this scene rather conveys Sakura as using Naruto's feelings.  In this case, and in many situations in terms of romance, Sakura is often the victim.  It is because of these dynamics he seems to struggle to write a convincing female without her appearing to be a scumbag.
 
Kishimoto chose her words wrongly if he was attempting to portray Sakura as "honest" as he said.  Rather he turned many against her, and made it appear Naruto was accusing every thing she was saying was a lie.  He was shocked in the interview to be told this, this proves that often Kishimoto shoots himself in the foot in terms of Sakura's development.
 
During the bench scene of Sasuke leaving, Sakura was portrayed as a desperate love-sick girl.  Again, this goes hand to hand with how Kishimoto clearly does not know how to write females in a romantic standpoint.  He seems to flat line to the basics of extreme and devoted love and adhere to stereotypes.
 
Basically, Kishimoto does well by throwing multiple 'potential' pairings in the mix, while gradually and subtly hinting and building up the main one.  But Kishimoto is bad at writing female characters with realistic emotions and feelings, as well as conveying them in a more indirect heroic manner. (Indirect as in nothing as deliberate as jumping in front of Pain and saying you love someone!)
 

 
He is building contrasting pairings to keep the reader engage, to hopefully keep them wondering who gets with who.  
 
Believe it or not literature is suppose to be taken in as a whole despite how the various pairing fandoms make it appear its fragmented.  You are familiar in terms of how pairing fandoms form, or rather, how "ships" form.  Generally, based on the literature provided, an individual makes their own deduction on both what they prefer, and what they believe the author is hinting to for end-game. 
 
Often time literature is misunderstood.   We often miss certain things that other people may pick up.  Also, people have a tendency of distorting literature to suit their own fantasies of what appeals to their taste.  If people misunderstood an author's intentions, perhaps there is a flaw with the writing.  But we must also acknowledge that there very well may be a flaw with the person them self. 
 
These pairing fandoms tend to distort Kishimoto's work into something that ONLY supporting the pairing they want.  This is not the correct way to read Naruto or any sort of literature be it comic/manga based or a book.  
 
We must first come to acknowledge that this tug and pull in terms of having these pairing hints is done intentionally.  If we were to read this with a clear mind with no bias toward any pairing we would begin to see this much more easily.  The key is objectivity.  Through objectivity, every scene, even the ones including Hinata with Naruto, as well as Sakura with Sasuke makes complete sense.  To me without these other characters and potential pairings Naruto getting with Sakura would be far less interesting.  Sakura's love for Sasuke and Hinata's love for Naruto creates an magnet inbetween Sakura and Naruto. It is the only pairing that has so much conflict, yet it is still consistently and reliably hinted. 
 
We are given a copious amount of parallels, a scene where Yamato is conviently interupted.  Scenes with Naruto noticing Sakura is upset or she noticing he is upset....We are given layers upon layers of evidence, with even other characters throwing in their opinions on the matter.  
 
As for Sakura with Sasuke.  We were shown quite a bit how much he hurts her, in spirit and physically.  We were shown Naruto and Kakashi reacting negatively to this as well.  This is not romance at this point, this is an emphasis on Kishimoto's part that that relationship is a dead end.  He of course threw in the occasional hint to keep us engaged! And it worked, it has you indeed questioning what was the point of it all.  ..That was the point!
 
Naruto and Hinata is a much more positive light, and it serves as a big contrast in terms of SasukexSakura.  Perhaps this was done intentionally? I cannot and will not speculate on what can be written off as personal theory about that.  However, the Naruto and Hinata moments appear to be utilize in such a way to cause a roller coster of the constant questions of will Hinata succeed to win Naruto over, just like similarly there are(or were ;)) the question of will Sakura succeed to win Sasuke over.
 

 
Unlike 99% of Shonens, Naruto has a lot of romance.  All canon romance not from simply fillers either.  I am surprised that Kishimoto could get away with so much.  But with how much he has crowed that he loves to write romance(or attempt to) I do not believe he will leave the loose-end for the main pairing he has been building up.  If he does then that means it was out of his control. Considering he supervised the RtN movie, and it became very influenced with NarutoxSakura there is no doubt in my mind he will want to see the pairing in his very own manga into fruition.
 
What if you are wrong? Perhaps I am wrong.  That's a big chance of something perhaps going astray and he does not imply a final pairing in the manga. But based on the build-up, I seriously doubt this. Again, Naruto is not your average Shonen. It should be considered a big hint that Naruto implies he will tell Sakura how he feels once he brings Sasuke back in.  And Naruto is now attempting to "bring" Sasuke back, but so far at this point of the manga has not quite succeeded just yet!
 

It's squashed indeed. Romance is not the only thing that suffered a squash. Kishimoto rushed many dynamics.

But perhaps what he is honestly waiting for is THE END before he unveils the MAIN pairing to happen. Rest of pairings will probably be implied(if they had not been already). Personally I find any sort of literature that tries to pair off every single character as redundant.

Keep your head high, and be assured your feelings and thoughts are the normal. There is much apprehension in the air with Naruto ending and we all are curious if ALL of Kishimoto's foreshadowing was for naught. Considering he did a CPR scene, which the romantic overtones of her literally clutching Naruto's heart I believe things are a wrap. Other pairings wish they got as much showtime and beautifully written twists and turns. They simply jelly.

 

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
TL:DR/Summary: Kishimoto added various pairings to cause more relationship dynamics. What he really is bad at is writing a more convincing female character. Out of all the pairing Naruto and Sakura have the most parallels as well as various other characters giving their opinions on it. Naruto is a rarebreed of Shonen showcasing a copious amount of romance and it should be noted that with this intense build up it should be clear that Kishimoto hopes to end things on a NaruSaku note.

I enjoyed very much reading your post(s) and responding to this. I hope I could offer you some more insight with my point of view.

Thank you.

 

This was a really cool reply 

 

Um... okay. So you're saying that literature is complicated, and sometimes it's not the manga itself that's messing up, but the people who wrongly infer from it? I guess this makes sense in some points. There are some things that appear confusing, but sometimes it really is the fandoms who make assumptions about what will happen. Like how we automatically assumed Sakura completely got over Sasuke because of all those hints, when it was obvious that she wasn't completely over him, and still clearly needs time to come to terms with her feelings. Or when NaruHina fans assume that NaruHina will be canon because they held hands, and because Hinata's crush is sweet and not flawed at all... Or when SasuSaku fans assume that Sakura's love really is "permanent" and "true" and that that devotion will lead Sasuke to Sakura (magically).

 

When I think of NaruHina and SasuSaku (not trying to bash) I really don't understand the logic behind it. And then the question is, which views does Kishi agree with? Sometimes I feel like he's saying Sakura's love for Sasuke is strong and true. Sometimes I feel like he's saying Hinata could get her "happy ending". And then there's that sometime, where he's saying that Naruto and Sakura clearly have selfless feelings for each other, where they care about each other to a point where they break down, and do what's best for them. When they understand each other, and comfort each other, and flow well with each other. When they blush around each other, smile around each other, be sad around each other... It gets to a point where it's obvious. But when he starts giving in tiny hints (that don't mean anything to us, but probably mean so much to others) on other pairings - it affects the probability of NaruSaku.

 

Yes they are relationship dynamics. But instead of making us wonder, and making it a crazy contest - couldn't he just be simple with it? He doesn't have to be completely simple - we know NaruSaku isn't the simplest thing- but just let Naruto and Sakura sort out their feelings already! I feel like NaruSaku is wounded, but I also know there's no possible way it could deflect all the development and hinting it had. But then again, I feel like Kishi could do something like that. I'm not gonna put my hopes up completely (which sucks because I feel like it shouldn't be so complicated xD) but if Kishi decides to hint back on all that development before it all goes to waste, anytime soon, I'm wondering how he's gonna wrap it up.

 

NaruSaku should be end pairing, everything that happened should lead up to that.... But the idea that it might not, is pretty dumb. Anyways this was such a cool post. I read through everything. I agree with basically all of it, just that sometimes Kishi makes us a little dizzy xD The one thing I love about NaruSaku, is that it's completely different from NH/SS, because it's the one pairing that does get more focusing on, it has the most development on both sides, and it makes the most sense to the storyline in terms of Naruto and his dreams, the themes that the show gives, and even Sakura - who went from one of the most underdeveloped, to completely awesome. It leads us to believe that Kishi couldn't possibly waste all that away - I don't want to believe he will. But who can tell?

 

I really enjoyed reading your perspective! It was very thorough, and I really understood what you were saying, and it really got me thinking ^^ Thanks for that!

[Syn11]

lol right!

@Syn11
I can't consider CPR be romantic...but it was TOUCHING moment
and I bet most SS fans wanted Sasuke there


do u think Sakura was aware about Sasuke too??

It is not a kiss, but it symbolizes love.

[六道仙人]

as for me, being aware about him is pretty much proving that Inspite of presence of Tsunade, she went there knowing Sasuke too, is going to die .....and she still loved him


so....dun u think it is symbolizing

 

well, Sakura knew that Sasuke was together with Naruto, and yet she didn't said/thought about him despite Naruto was dying.

LOL I still remembemr headcanon from NH/SS

SS: Sakura-chan will leave that orange baboon and will go towards Sasuke-kun once she will be aware of his conditions!!!

NH: Hinata never gives up! She will wake up and reach Naruto-kun because her ninja way is the same as Naruto-kun's!!! Also, she prayed Neji for saving Naruto-kun, so Naruto-kun is in good hands!!!!

[Syn11]

 

well, Sakura knew that Sasuke was together with Naruto, and yet she didn't said/thought about him despite Naruto was dying.

LOL I still remembemr headcanon from NH/SS

SS: Sakura-chan will leave that orange baboon and will go towards Sasuke-kun once she will be aware of his conditions!!!

NH: Hinata never gives up! She will wake up and reach Naruto-kun because her ninja way is the same as Naruto-kun's!!! Also, she prayed Neji for saving Naruto-kun, so Naruto-kun is in good hands!!!!

Yep, Naruto-kun is in the good hands. Sakura's hands.

[Iwantbuns]

It is not a kiss, but it symbolizes love.

 

Does it? It definitely symbolizes something deep from Sakura to Naruto.

[Princess Iris]

 
well, Sakura knew that Sasuke was together with Naruto, and yet she didn't said/thought about him despite Naruto was dying.
LOL I still remembemr headcanon from NH/SS

SS: Sakura-chan will leave that orange baboon and will go towards Sasuke-kun once she will be aware of his conditions!!!
NH: Hinata never gives up! She will wake up and reach Naruto-kun because her ninja way is the same as Naruto-kun's!!! Also, she prayed Neji for saving Naruto-kun, so Naruto-kun is in good hands!!!!

to SS : lol and look she chose ur baboon
NH: As if neji would land from heaven to save him

[Dark Magician]

 

well, Sakura knew that Sasuke was together with Naruto, and yet she didn't said/thought about him despite Naruto was dying.

LOL I still remembemr headcanon from NH/SS

SS: Sakura-chan will leave that orange baboon and will go towards Sasuke-kun once she will be aware of his conditions!!!

NH: Hinata never gives up! She will wake up and reach Naruto-kun because her ninja way is the same as Naruto-kun's!!! Also, she prayed Neji for saving Naruto-kun, so Naruto-kun is in good hands!!!!

SS: Sakura will ask Kakashi where Sasuke is, and then leave to go save him before that kitten Karin gets there.

NH: Hinata will jump start Naruto's heart with gentle fist and fight Madara, then Minato will remember Kushina.

[Syn11]

 

Does it? It definitely symbolizes something deep from Sakura to Naruto.

Sometimes the most obvious explanation it the right one. "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck".

This CPR scene also connects to the first part moment when Tsunade saved Naruto when Kabuto severed his chakra heart channel. But Tsunade never held Naruto's heart the way Sakura did and still does (both liretally and figurately).

Edited by Syn11, 13 October 2014 - 03:06 PM.