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[Gravenimage]

*sighs* I was right after all S/S fans are saying that their pairing will happen because Sasuke killed Karin. Okay what's wrong with this picture? they obviously not thinking straight because if Sasuke stabbed Karin he can do the same thing to Sakura especially when she's from Konoha and he hates Konoha. Even before becoming all evil and joinin Orochimaru Sasuke even stabbed Naruto with chidori on his chest. Desperation can make people go crazy and prevent using the brain I guess.

Edited by Gravenimage, 31 January 2010 - 02:01 AM.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

*sighs* I was right after all S/S fans are saying that their pairing will happen because Sasuke killed Karin. Okay what's wrong with this picture? they obviously not thinking straight because if Sasuke stabbed Karin he can do the same thing to Sakura especially when she's from Konoha and he hates Konoha. Even before becoming all evil and joinin Orochimaru Sasuke even stabbed Naruto with chidori on his chest. Desperation can make people go crazy and prevent using the brain I guess.

I agree.. As Sasuke will be later saved by Naruto, they are stating(ANS) He will fall in love with Sakura by then and live happily ever after... ...... " ".
If Sasuke already been in the darkness, there is a possibility, every character who got a taste of the darkness had a little chance to be save. Even they are redeemed, it takes in the form of death or any tragic instances. Anti NS fans probably argue that if Sasuke will die, Naruto and Sakura isn't fit to be a couple. So, far, I remembered of them stated that if Sasuke died, Naruto and Sakura failed and even if they will be a couple, they would not live a happily ever after.
...so much nuisance..

Edited by pinkheartsyellowstars, 31 January 2010 - 07:36 AM.

[fireandice]

I just at people who say Sasuke will get with Sakura because he killed Karin.

Um, if anything, even if Karin isn't killed, the fact that he just so cold-heartedly stabbed through her says volumes. IMO he probably punctured her lung, even if he didn't hit her heart, and that's bad enough (hello, she's bleeding from the mouth!) to kill you.

This chapter was basically Sasuke severing the last of his ties with his old self, to me. He was basically now making clear that he's beyond redemption. He doesn't even see Team 7 anymore- this is a clear difference from the fight at Unraikyo and when he flashbacked thinking about Team 7 with Taka. Kishi has made it clear the current Sasuke is different even from the Sasuke who just found out the truth about Itachi.

[Jenskott]

I just at people who say Sasuke will get with Sakura because he killed Karin.

I haven't seen the picture, but I am quite sure he didn't kill her. Didn't he only pierce her shoulder, anyway?

Moreover, he said her "Don't move". So I think he thought he could strike in that spot without killing her, as long as she stood still.

However, the issue isn't whether he killed her or not; or whether he tried not causing lethal harm to her or he was willing risking it. The issue is Sasuke was willing hurting a friend in order to kill someone he loathed and wanted taking revenge on. Again, he priorized hatred and revenge above everything else.

He will get with Sakura because he harmed Karin? What are they basing that on?

Sasuke doesn't care about Sakura. And Sasuke was willing harming a friend in order to achieve his goals. Why do they think he wouldn't do the same thing to Sakura? He already tried stabbing her once. And with killer intent!

And Sakura is willing killing Sasuke off because she thinks he is beyond salvation. What do you think she will think if she ever finds out about this deed? I wager it won't be: "Oh, he is so manly!I love him!". I bet she will feel horrified -but not really shocked- and relieved of not being in Karin's shoes, and it will cement her determination to stop him.

Sincerely I think chapter 480 doesn't favor SasuSaku. I think it favors SasuNobody. Unless he realizes what he has done and what he has become and realizes he must change... I think he must not be with one woman. Any woman.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

I haven't seen the picture, but I am quite sure he didn't kill her. Didn't he only pierce her shoulder, anyway?

Uhmm..I am not sure of this but there is a blood coming from her mouth denotes internal bleeding. and Danzou had said that his heart was hit because of the chidori blade pierces through Karin.

Moreover, he said her "Don't move". So I think he thought he could strike in that spot without killing her, as long as she stood still.

But what i am kinda afraid of, Sasuke then activated his MS, with a insanely face. It kinda depicts he snapped to himself, that it is all in plan to sacrifice Karin.

However, the issue isn't whether he killed her or not; or whether he tried not causing lethal harm to her or he was willing risking it. The issue is Sasuke was willing hurting a friend in order to kill someone he loathed and wanted taking revenge on. Again, he priorized hatred and revenge above everything else.

He will get with Sakura because he harmed Karin? What are they basing that on?

Sasuke doesn't care about Sakura. And Sasuke was willing harming a friend in order to achieve his goals. Why do they think he wouldn't do the same thing to Sakura? He already tried stabbing her once. And with killer intent!

I agree Jen
If Sakura will ever find Sasuke in his state, she will just see, a insanely Sasuke who will kill anyone just to pursue his own goals.

[ciardha]

Sincerely I think chapter 480 doesn't favor SasuSaku. I think it favors SasuNobody. Unless he realizes what he has done and what he has become and realizes he must change... I think he must not be with one woman. Any woman.

Absolutely. I'm hoping Karin isn't dead. What I'd love to see Kishimoto do is have Sakura's team come upon this scene and Madara decide Sasuke's in no shape to fight anyone else right now and use his space/time jutsu to warp himself and Sasuke away, leaving Karin behind. Sakura's team see that Danzo is dead but Karin is alive. Sakura treats Karin's wound and talks with her. Karin is in such shock about what Sasuke did that she tells them everything that happened. Karin's words further strengthens Sakura's resolve that she must kill Sasuke. (and makes her shudder inside that this might have happened to her if Sasuke had taken her up on that desperate offer she made to go along with him- in a naive belief on her part that her presence would have kept Sasuke from his headlong plunge into darkness.)

[Jenskott]

Uhmm..I am not sure of this but there is a blood coming from her mouth denotes internal bleeding. and Danzou had said that his heart was hit because of the chidori blade pierces through Karin.

Kishimoto can have drawn that blood in order to add dramatism or visual impact to the scene, not because Karin suffered internal bleeding. Therefore, it is not conclusive.

And Danzo is taller than Karin. His heart would be not at the same level than hers.

You can check this drawing.

But what i am kinda afraid of, Sasuke then activated his MS, with a insanely face. It kinda depicts he snapped to himself, that it is all in plan to sacrifice Karin.

Again, I haven't read it. But I doubt he deliberately planned sacrificing Karin. He has no reasons for deliberately wishing and actively trying to kill her. Not even one of his convoluted and specious reasonings of dubious logic he calls "reasons" (like killing his best friend in order to gain more power, or killing his ex-teammates because they were interfering with his revenge).

If Sakura will ever find Sasuke in his state, she will just see, a insanely Sasuke who will kill anyone just to pursue his own goals.

And it will confirm her beliefs: the person she was infatuated with died long ago, if he ever existed.

I don't understand why some -loud- fans whine about Sasuke's power levels or number of techniques. As far as I am concerned, and until I am proved wrong or he gets redeemed, he is a villain. And villains always or often have massive power levels. And they know of more techniques than the heroes/heroines. And the plot is heavily focused around them.

Absolutely. I'm hoping Karin isn't dead. What I'd love to see Kishimoto do is have Sakura's team come upon this scene and Madara decide Sasuke's in no shape to fight anyone else right now and use his space/time jutsu to warp himself and Sasuke away, leaving Karin behind. Sakura's team see that Danzo is dead but Karin is alive. Sakura treats Karin's wound and talks with her. Karin is in such shock about what Sasuke did that she tells them everything that happened. Karin's words further strengthens Sakura's resolve that she must kill Sasuke. (and makes her shudder inside that this might have happened to her if Sasuke had taken her up on that desperate offer she made to go along with him- in a naive belief on her part that her presence would have kept Sasuke from his headlong plunge into darkness.)

That is a good scenario.

IMO, al of it depends on the next chapters: if Sasuke shows some slight hint of regret, he can not be beyond redemption; if he shows he doesn't care at the slightest, I think he will end up alone or dead.

[Froot]

You know, I just realized something. (I'm probably a little slow on it, though. )

Back when Sasuke was fighting Killer B, he though of Hebi as team 7. He looked around at Suigetsu, Juugo, and Karin, then thought of Naruto, Sakura, and Kakashi.

So when he stabbed Karin, he basically "stabbed" the symbol of his old team. And with his face, I think he was quite all right with it.

[ciardha]

Kishimoto can have drawn that blood in order to add dramatism or visual impact to the scene, not because Karin suffered internal bleeding. Therefore, it is not conclusive.

And Danzo is taller than Karin. His heart would be not at the same level than hers.

You can check this drawing.

Yeah and the small amount of blood coming out of the right corner of her mouth also leads credence that that drawing is the right point on Karin's body. When it's a more vital point Kishimoto usually draws a lot more blood coming out of the mouth.

[Hak]

Absolutely. I'm hoping Karin isn't dead. What I'd love to see Kishimoto do is have Sakura's team come upon this scene and Madara decide Sasuke's in no shape to fight anyone else right now and use his space/time jutsu to warp himself and Sasuke away, leaving Karin behind. Sakura's team see that Danzo is dead but Karin is alive. Sakura treats Karin's wound and talks with her. Karin is in such shock about what Sasuke did that she tells them everything that happened. Karin's words further strengthens Sakura's resolve that she must kill Sasuke. (and makes her shudder inside that this might have happened to her if Sasuke had taken her up on that desperate offer she made to go along with him- in a naive belief on her part that her presence would have kept Sasuke from his headlong plunge into darkness.)

I hope Naruto sees her also, it would only do good for him. It would be something undeniable to strenghten HIS resolve for protecting his precious persons and Konoha.

[Strangelove]

Oh... and the same deniers will then make fan-pics, putting Hinanta's face over Sakura's.

And claiming it is the real thing...

[Miss Soupy]

Debate over where Karin was hit? Hm, I think it's going to be a close to fatal hit. I LOL at the fact that Danzou is able to tell us he was hit directly in the heart. I mean, he should be dead automatically if the heart was destroyed. But nah, he's gotta fill us all in. XD So even if Karin was hit in the heart, does it matter? If Danzou can speak after the fact, then so can she. And I don't see why she wouldn't be able to heal herself. I guess I'd be really surprised if she didn't have that ability.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

@miss soupy,
SS fans enjoyed that, meaning Sakura is the only one, who can be with Sasuke, and no more Karin.

Recently, I have read some post from a SS fan. She states that in relating to the Popular Pairing and Hated Pairing, outside Japn, within Japan. SS is top 1. So it only means, it is both expected and then disappointed.
I have no problem with that, but she later stated that SS is the most controversial of all pairing, meaning from the events going on, it is all related to SS , and their main drive is Naruto himself, from his flashbacks.

Edited by pinkheartsyellowstars, 01 February 2010 - 11:03 AM.

[Gravenimage]

I think Karin is still alive I just know Kishi will surprise us like always I just want to see the S/S fans getting angry because she's still alive. Why do they still believe their pairing can still happen after seeing Sasuke gone psycho that I don't have a clue whatsoever???

Edited by Gravenimage, 01 February 2010 - 11:13 AM.

[Jenskott]

Debate over where Karin was hit? Hm, I think it's going to be a close to fatal hit. I LOL at the fact that Danzou is able to tell us he was hit directly in the heart. I mean, he should be dead automatically if the heart was destroyed. But nah, he's gotta fill us all in. XD

That is something usual in comics and it is used in order to reinforce the dramatism and for informing to the audience the character has been mortally wounded.

And that narrative tactic isn't used only in comics. I'm right now recalling one scene from Hamlet where the main character pierces another character through with his sword. The stabbed character shouts: "I am slain". Like if it wasn't obvious.

I think Karin is still alive

I am sure of it.

Why do they still believe their pairing can still happen after seeing Sasuke gone psycho that I don't have a clue whatsoever?

I don't know. Maybe they still think Sakura will heal his scarred and tortured soul using the Power of Love.

[Gravenimage]

That is something usual in comics and it is used in order to reinforce the dramatism and for informing to the audience the character has been mortally wounded.

And that narrative tactic isn't used only in comics. I'm right now recalling one scene from Hamlet where the main character pierces another character through with his sword. The stabbed character shouts: "I am slain". Like if it wasn't obvious.



I am sure of it.



I don't know. Maybe they still think Sakura will heal his scarred and tortured soul using the Power of Love.

Hahahaha oh yeah sure Sakura's love for Sasuke will heal him and will redeem him from the person he has become even if she already tried during part 1 and failed miserably. Sasuke has made it clear dozens of times that he DOESN'T want love he wants revenge ever since he made his debut back at ch 3. He's an avenger that's all he is and he will ever be he's not the torture soul who wants love from the girl he has NEVER like romantically in the first place. He was willing to stabbed Karin the girl who's in love with him all for the sake of revenge, if he did the same to Karin he can do the same thing to Sakura. S/S fans logic is messed up like the N/H fans logic.

Edited by Gravenimage, 01 February 2010 - 05:09 PM.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

..I really dont know what happened to NH fans. they are still arguing Hinata's confession is not selfish and not so likely to be Sakura's Confession to Naruto.
For me the intention to help is not selfish, but when Hinata stated that she is doing this because of selfish, it was elucidated she was indeed selfish.
NH fans denied this, just to make up some, it is well serious, and yet there are no suspicion of lying.

[Gravenimage]

..I really dont know what happened to NH fans. they are still arguing Hinata's confession is not selfish and not so likely to be Sakura's Confession to Naruto.
For me the intention to help is not selfish, but when Hinata stated that she is doing this because of selfish, it was elucidated she was indeed selfish.
NH fans denied this, just to make up some, it is well serious, and yet there are no suspicion of lying.

I know it annoys me when they compare confessions when they shouldn't in the first place. They are still arguing 437 and yet it has been 43 chapters since her confession and still no answer from Naruto. its clear by now that Naruto doesn't love Hinata why can't they get it to their heads??? Kishi ended the whole N/H thing back at 450 with Hinata smiling at the N/S intimate hug. He even showed a sign that N/H died at 450 with 457 making Sai having that flashback that Naruto tells him that he can't confess to Sakura because of the promise of the life time (after Hinata's confession).

pinkheartyellosstars@

Hinata was being selfish at 437 because she said it herself yet Sakura wasn't at her confession because she was thinking about Naruto's safety as well as Konoha's safety and not about Sasuke. If she was really selfish she wouldn't have said a word that she was going to talk to Naruto and let him continue suffering because of Sasuke and the promise.

Edited by Gravenimage, 01 February 2010 - 05:21 PM.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

I know it annoys me when they compare confessions when they shouldn't in the first place. They are still arguing 437 and yet it has been 43 chapters since her confession and still no answer from Naruto. its clear by now that Naruto doesn't love Hinata why can't they get it to their heads??? Kishi ended the whole N/H thing back at 450 with Hinata smiling at the N/S intimate hug. He even showed a sign that N/H died at 450 with 457 making Sai having that flashback that Naruto tells him that he can't confess to Sakura because of the promise of the life time (after Hinata's confession).

pinkheartyellosstars@

Hinata was being selfish at 437 because she said it herself yet Sakura wasn't at her confession because she was thinking about Naruto's safety as well as Konoha's safety and not about Sasuke. If she was really selfish she wouldn't have said a word that she was going to talk to Naruto and let him continue suffering because of Sasuke and the promise.

I totally agree with you graven.. But the only thing NH/SS still "circumnavigate" is, Sakura's confession to Naruto is a LIE.
Making SS/NH, plausible for themselves