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#3561 Lalufuffy

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 04:38 PM

How do the Japanese fans feel about the current pairing situation? Is NS set in stone? NH possible? etc

 

Personally I think there are some things we have left, nothing is canon before Naruto accepts one of the confessions/makes a confession of his own without being rejected etc. Canon basically means the pairing is official, which is when they are in a relationship or they kiss.

 

I'm just curious as to how they're dealing with it, because the western pairing fans are as active as ever. :lol:

 

I don't understand Japanese and I don't check the Japanese forums. But my guess is that they consider 469 to be quite in favor of NS. The most important thing is that Sakura was blushing during her confession and

averted her eyes from Naruto. 

Especially the aversion of the eyes is obviously her showing the 'dere' side. She's never really been that 'cold' towards Naruto so the only thing that actually makes her a Tsundere character is that she usually hits Naruto when he's behaving in a childish way or when she's embarrassed like in 631.

Nevertheless, it's supposed to be her 'dere' side and thus the 'I love you' part can't be a lie.

In a neutral forum someone said that I can't read people's expressions because I wrote that Sakura looks

happy in 469 lol 


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 05:32 PM

People,can you say me how work the popularity between NaruSaku,SasuSaku and NaruHina?

It blows my mind how SS and NH seem to have more fans! 


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 05:45 PM

People,can you say me how work the popularity between NaruSaku,SasuSaku and NaruHina?

It blows my mind how SS and NH seem to have more fans! 

I guess it's all about preferences and what you're looking for in a ship.

 

NS has more development overall, but I can understand if the NH fanbase has increased because 615 really looked romantic. 631 confirmed to at least me that it wasn't on Naruto's part, because he wouldn't have been such an ass if he was in love with someone else. He had the perfect opportunity to say "No dad, that's the cute Hyuuga over there", but chose not to.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:02 PM

I guess it's all about preferences and what you're looking for in a ship.
 
NS has more development overall, but I can understand if the NH fanbase has increased because 615 really looked romantic. 631 confirmed to at least me that it wasn't on Naruto's part, because he wouldn't have been such an ass if he was in love with someone else. He had the perfect opportunity to say "No dad, that's the cute Hyuuga over there", but chose not to.


The only thing I don't like is when people bash the main characters emotions towards a certain girl. For god's sake it's THE MAIN CHARACTER. You would be surprised at how many people think he is "confused" about his feelings or "loves both hinata and sakura" or is "blinded by sakura". The fact that I know how Japan feels about the pairing situation makes me feel so much better.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:05 PM

People,can you say me how work the popularity between NaruSaku,SasuSaku and NaruHina?

It blows my mind how SS and NH seem to have more fans! 

 

Determining the popularity of the main pairings is quite a complicated matter, especially when it comes to

large fanbases. There are people who are just slightly interested in the romance and think that the

main guy x main girl i.e. NS is gonna become canon, anyway. Those people usually don't bother to state 

their opinion.

There are also people, who switch pairings all the time because they only want to be right about their predictions. The matter with  'static' and 'non-static' fans is really complicated.

So basically there are just too many 'shipping sub-groups' which in some cases must or must not be taken into account, when debating about the popularity of a pairing. 

I think that NS is in fact the most popular pairing and has at least as many fans as NH and SS combined

The NH and SS fandoms just include more of those 'shipping sub-groups' because if they become canon,

all of the four 'pairing main characters' (Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke and Hinata) will be in a romantic relationship.

That's why NS seemingly has the smallest fandom. 


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:17 PM

People,can you say me how work the popularity between NaruSaku,SasuSaku and NaruHina?

It blows my mind how SS and NH seem to have more fans! 

Well, it's not that surprising to be honest. The main and obvious pairing is never the popular one when it comes to more pairings and/or a very popular series. Avatar got the worst when it comes to this. I mean ZuuTara is still bigger than KatAang, but look who wins in the end. That said Naruto is nothing new for this, so just sit back and enjoy the ride.



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:52 PM

It never ceases to amaze me at how desperate the NH fanbase is. I was looking around a few websites, trying to catch up on what I've missed, and I came across this place:

 

http://forum.naruto....=27328&page=244

 

I've been there before, a long time ago, but back then the site was more...'balanced' and now it's completely over run by NH and SS fans. I just thought some of the posts were pretty funny and more or less desperate. "The manga supports NH" Yeah, maybe for the past...16 chapters or so, but that ended with 631.

 

I see a lot really hasn't changed. It's still always about what Hinata wants, and WHEN did Naruto 'abandon' his feelings for Sakura? I'd really like to know!

Huh, that's interesting. NH fans making their arguments. It's really odd being completely confident in something while somebody else is completely confident in the exact opposite.

Yeah, I can see where things might get ugly in these situations. In any case it'll just end up being a stalemate.

 

In situations like these the best course of action is to have patience. The manga gives us the proof we need without us even lifting a finger. And the proof will just keep stacking up until eventually it's cannon. Why am I so confident in this? Because I've read the manga.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:59 PM

Huh, that's interesting. NH fans making their arguments. It's really odd being completely confident in something while somebody else is completely confident in the exact opposite.

Yeah, I can see where things might get ugly in these situations. In any case it'll just end up being a stalemate.

 

In situations like these the best course of action is to have patience. The manga gives us the proof we need without us even lifting a finger. And the proof will just keep stacking up until eventually it's cannon. Why am I so confident in this? Because I've read the manga.

That was a win in my book.



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:11 PM

Honestly, volume 66 was my favorite volume in recent years since the events on the turtle island. So much went well in those chapters not only for ns, but also for the story in general and giving us some suspense.

Under the ns side of stuff though, again it's just too insane how much all the stuff that was speculated, only a few months ago, would seem like absolute fanfiction dreams. If anything happened this past volume, it basically put things like this:

Narusaku gained a real boost, 631 was the main source of stuff but 630 put a good speech of sakura understanding naruto out. Also we got naruto practically confirming he still likes her. The foreshadow was the biggest aspect here, sakura and Kushina.

Naruhina, since 615, it really did not go much of anywhere, it's just as I see it, at the side for now. Mainly due to the fact naruto has not done anything with the 615 events and only hinata has for a short moment too, kinda felt like that was unneeded filler though. The difference here is while nh did not get harmed, it did nt advance, the real loss for nh is not having Kushina like hinata. Just still, what purpose would it serve to make a comparison of hinata to Kushina or even more outrageously her to minato? Kishi chose sakura again, in a situation hinata could have been stepping forward in to meet him but he didn't use her. It's mainly because Kushina put a foreshadow element and this is the only continuation or notion of the find a girl like me sentence. Nh remains around until later though but no clue what will be done with it. It's just limited development t and screentime and not even much advancement or scenes of those compared to ns, makes it hard for nh to be canon when so much is still undone for it and just letting the ns stuff end as friendship is basically, well a bad literary move on kishis position, why make and use so much time for so little? That's all I have to say with this one.

Sasusaku was hammered the hardest and is close to sinking, 635 may have shocked everyone with sais input in what she thought of him and him acting to help the allaince, while it was expected by her words, the fake smile shocked everyone. Sakura not trusting Sasuke, the only one who kept the ship going, is about to turn away from him. Not only is this bad but the effects and reaction towards sasukes activity still have yet to be revealed.

With ns around though, stuff in the past chapters makes you wonder how Kishi would plan to build upon 631 and Sakura's distrust of Sasuke, like we know how naruto handled her love respectfully and let her be who she wanted, but how will he react when Sasuke himself is causing her the issues we can see coming for now? Anyone think the moment of conflict when naruto and Sasuke are divided, before they fight, that something for ns could occur before then? Still most of us are just waiting on a future forehead compliment, I mean it's just too good to happen now, sakura white strength seal on her forehead, would naruto think it looks better? So much ns stuff still to take care of, it's funny how 631 only made sakura = Kushina and enabled a lot of open ground to advance ns and build upon the past ns development.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:39 PM

I think the current pairing situations are;

 

NS just got a real boost, but we'll probably have to wait a while before the next moment.

NH is standing still, it's going nowhere. Hinata reconfirming her feelings for Naruto doesn't help.

SS is in a fragile and cold state, it has only went downhill for a while now. I think it will be shattered in the near future.

 

Tell me what you guys think? :happy:


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:57 PM

I think the current pairing situations are;

 

NS just got a real boost, but we'll probably have to wait a while before the next moment.

NH is standing still, it's going nowhere. Hinata reconfirming her feelings for Naruto doesn't help.

SS is in a fragile and cold state, it has only went downhill for a while now. I think it will be shattered in the near future.

 

Tell me what you guys think? :happy:

To me, it's:

 

NS got a huge boost with its developments and backup with its third party development (parallels). Both of them can return in the latest volume.

 

NH is buried alive. It can dig out if Naruto can finally change his feelings, though it's lately lacking due to many friendzoned speech and Naruto reconfirming his feelings. It's only alive if the partner can help out.

 

SS is in dying state or going through a hallway of extremely hot microwave (courtesy to MGS4), where they can crawl and live to see another day or die in there and let it rest.

 

That's how I see.



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 09:26 PM

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All pairing right now is on the mercy of naruto feeling. If naruto openly state his love for sakura in each arc like the girls, than it only downplay any pairing relate to naruto minus NS. And 615 will be see as a platonic moment.
After failfession kishi hide naruto feeling and make sure no NS interaction before 631. Because naruto feeling will become his weapon again obito.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 09:30 PM

@Sushi
All pairing right now is on the mercy of naruto feeling. If naruto openly state his love for sakura in each arc like the girls, than it only downplay any pairing relate to naruto minus NS. And 615 will be see as a platonic moment.
After failfession kishi hide naruto feeling and make sure no NS interaction before 631. Because naruto feeling will become his weapon again obito.

I'm glad that Naruto's feelings wasn't placed on a pedestal as in keep reminding us that he loves her. We know we do already, so no need to push further. That said I think it's actually bad that Sakura is reminding her feelings because as of late, it's used to have her moving on very soon, especially the fake smile. As for Hinata, well it was meant to be platonic but we took it wrong. Now if NS is used for plot alas Obito, then game over, done, turn off your console, etc.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 09:43 PM

Thanks about the explanations,guys. 

NH and SS shippers always have the explanation that their couples are most popular in Japan and in the rest of the world. They love to show numbers about devianart,Yahoo searchers and whatever. Well,if it can influence Kishi, we'll have IruKaka Yoohoo.

For me is very clear that every way take us to NaruSaku. ObiRin,JiraTsu and even MinaKushi. All of those parings had been failed but have one kind of parallel with NaruSaku.

Tbh I'm avoiding Naruto forums, in general SS and NH fans act so desesperately! We can't even cheer to NaruSaku without being scolded by some angry hardcore shippers.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:46 PM

I wanted to touch on a couple of things.

 

Kishi isn't done with Hinata's feelings yet.

 

This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but I'm pretty certain that Hinata and her feelings for Naruto aren't done yet.  We're still going to see more of them future chapters.

 

633 was the perfect opportunity to have Hinata switch to using Neji as the source of her motivation and confidence, to try for strength in order to honor his memory and sacrifice, to work hard in order to be a worthy clan leader.  This would have been a natural and believable segway to have Hinata move forward from her romantic idolization of Naruto, to grow into her own character instead of constantly using Naruto as a crutch.  And yet, Kishi didn't take that out.

 

He instead chose to have Hinata think once of Neji, brought up the handholding again through her thoughts, including Naruto squeezing her hand this time, and for her to think such a serious thought as "I want to be by Naruto-kun's side forever."

 

We dismissed Hinata's thoughts in 540 and 573.  It was the same one-sided drivel we've always seen from her, so we didn't think anything of it.  But those moments, in hindsight, were clearly building up to 614 and 615.  Whose to say that Hinata's thoughts now are not also leading up to something bigger?  Why bring up the handholding twice after it happened (volume cover and 633), and in such a short amount of time, especially if Kishi was done with Hinata's feelings and wasn't planning to go anywhere with them?  633 just doesn't make any sense in that context.  Thus, Kishi definitely has plans yet for those feelings.

 

 

BUT on the other hand,

its just as obvious that he hasn't had Naruto show any romantic feelings for Hinata at all.  If NaruHina was the route he was planning to go down, then 631 makes no sense.  615 would have been the perfect opportunity to really start developing Naruto looking at Hinata in a different, more romantic light.  To start dropping hints that he's considering her as more than a friend.

 

But instead, he sets it up so that Minato sees Sakura with Naruto, leading him to ask Naruto the question that tells the readers he still has romantic feelings for Sakura, which in turn leads to him confirming that the pairing hint in Kushina's words way back when was always intended to be Sakura.

 

PLUS its undeniable that when looking only at the side who doesn't reciprocate (i.e. Naruto > HInata, Sakura > Naruto, and Sasuke > Sakura) that Sakura is really the only one that KIshi has hinted at actually reciprocating.

 

Sakura has blushed over Naruto multple times, some in obviously romantic contexts (while flirting with him at their reunion in part 2, hugging him at the summit, and then in part one thinking "what is this feeling?") - Naruto has only ever blushed over Hinata when she gave him her proud failure speech and told him she thought that he was a really strong person, which isn't romantic in context, as its the exact same blush Naruto had when Jiraiya told him that Naruto reminded him of Minato - Sasuke blushed over Sakura once when she was jumping all over him during the first bell test (after running across just his head sticking out of the ground and thinking he was dead), but again, the context wasn't indicative of romance, given how he treated her immediately afterwards (and Kishi was really prone to blushes that early in part one).

 

Sakura has flirted with Naruto (at their reunion by asking him if she looked more womanly, and then by offering to feed him ramen).  Neither Naruto or Sasuke have ever flirted with Hinata or Sakura respectively.

 

Sasuke has never initiated positive physical contact with Sakura.  Sakura initiated the hug, which had the blushing crowd behind it and the little girl with the classis "how romantic" pose and expression.  Further, the only other person Sakura has hugged is Sasuke, whom she is canonically in love with.  Naruto initiated the handhold, but didn't give her any particularly special or emotional expression.  The onlookers didn't indicate the hand hold came off as romantic.  He also held Shikamaru's hand the very next chapter.  The hand holding got much more focus than Sakura's hug did, by appearing on a volume cover and then by being brought up again in Hinata's thoughts in addition to being built on (by adding Naruto squeezing her hand), but there was nothing romantic in it from Naruto's side, nor did anything else in the scene indicate that it even came off as such.

 

Third party comments is what really seals the deal.  Shikamaru said "even Sakura" couldn't change Sasuke's mind - it shows some significance that Sakura had for Sasuke, but again, nothing necessarily romantic.  For Naruto we only ever got Kiba's comment, which is a joke compared to the other two's comments (especially since it was ignored completely).  For Sakura, we get Sai talking about her being gentle with Naruto, and speeches about the strength of her feelings and cut off sentences to build suspence.

 

Logically, I think the most likely outcome from this is that Hinata's feelings are going to play some part in future chapters, but it won't lead to her feelings being reciprocated.  Again, if anyone is going to have a change of heart, Sakura is the only one with an actual foundation in the manga to do so, both in regards to her feelings for Naruto AND her feelings for Sasuke.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 12:06 AM

Thanks about the explanations,guys. 
NH and SS shippers always have the explanation that their couples are most popular in Japan and in the rest of the world. They love to show numbers about devianart,Yahoo searchers and whatever. Well,if it can influence Kishi, we'll have IruKaka Yoohoo.
For me is very clear that every way take us to NaruSaku. ObiRin,JiraTsu and even MinaKushi. All of those parings had been failed but have one kind of parallel with NaruSaku.
Tbh I'm avoiding Naruto forums, in general SS and NH fans act so desesperately! We can't even cheer to NaruSaku without being scolded by some angry hardcore shippers.


Fanbase numbers mean nothing, I mean when more and more evidence comes, only if it points towards nh or SS positively then that's what should be counted, but with nh standing still and SS possibly about to break, it becomes harder for these 2 pairings to prove themselves as the plot changes and the remaining time before the end shortens. As more points to ns it becomes hard to believe that it just ends in nothing as many arguements claim.

I really feel that nh and SS should take a page from history and learn from what happened with the zutara pairing, in avatar. It was the most popular, had a similar setup to SS with an enemy boy and a heroine girl though this started as opponents but it had the chance to become possible and real in the end. Like nh, zutara also began as a highly concerted and likely outcome. Yet look what happened, as the story went on zutara faced the problem of how they could gain good development and become possible in the end. Season 2 ended with zuko still being evil and he did not have until the final 10 episodes to get the trust of the group and make up for what he did. Like nh it was also highly concepted and experimented with however one creator ultimately got tired with it, he said they tried, they really did but zutara would not give the results or take the story in the way they wanted, it made everything less conflictive and basically made things too easy for aang to have his firebending teacher right there. Like nh, it began as a concept, as a concept though it does not mean it will come into the final product as canon. Concepts are experimented in many things, including videogames, movies, shows, and books. If nh was a concepted or originally intended, maybe Kishi could have changed it out of something else he felt was needed. We could for example say nh was intended until pain, but after pain he could have decided to keep ns up because of all he had done before and just roll with it and make stuff like the land of iron and Kushina come up from it, maybe even use the land of iron to throw people off, introduce Kushina, then bring the audience back with a suprise like 631. Maybe that was intended or not but concepts do not always make it. This is why I don't like the arguements of the opposites attract or concepted or originally intended because things can always change and do something you would never have thought.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 12:09 AM

^That's a good point. I wonder what it could lead to. Maybe she'll fight beside him? No offence, but she isn't strong enough. :pinch: If any of the rookies should fight with Naruto and Sasuke, it should be Rock Lee and even he isn't strong enough. She has yet to show the twin lion + 64 fists combination, but since we're only dealing with Gods now I don't see her fighting any soon. Or maybe she'll get hurt.

 

 

Thanks about the explanations,guys. 

NH and SS shippers always have the explanation that their couples are most popular in Japan and in the rest of the world. They love to show numbers about devianart,Yahoo searchers and whatever. Well,if it can influence Kishi, we'll have IruKaka Yoohoo.

For me is very clear that every way take us to NaruSaku. ObiRin,JiraTsu and even MinaKushi. All of those parings had been failed but have one kind of parallel with NaruSaku.

Tbh I'm avoiding Naruto forums, in general SS and NH fans act so desesperately! We can't even cheer to NaruSaku without being scolded by some angry hardcore shippers.

We have so many NS fans in the manga it tromps everything. :P


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 12:52 AM

I wanted to touch on a couple of things.

 

Kishi isn't done with Hinata's feelings yet.

 

This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but I'm pretty certain that Hinata and her feelings for Naruto aren't done yet.  We're still going to see more of them future chapters.

 

633 was the perfect opportunity to have Hinata switch to using Neji as the source of her motivation and confidence, to try for strength in order to honor his memory and sacrifice, to work hard in order to be a worthy clan leader.  This would have been a natural and believable segway to have Hinata move forward from her romantic idolization of Naruto, to grow into her own character instead of constantly using Naruto as a crutch.  And yet, Kishi didn't take that out.

 

He instead chose to have Hinata think once of Neji, brought up the handholding again through her thoughts, including Naruto squeezing her hand this time, and for her to think such a serious thought as "I want to be by Naruto-kun's side forever."

 

We dismissed Hinata's thoughts in 540 and 573.  It was the same one-sided drivel we've always seen from her, so we didn't think anything of it.  But those moments, in hindsight, were clearly building up to 614 and 615.  Whose to say that Hinata's thoughts now are not also leading up to something bigger?  Why bring up the handholding twice after it happened (volume cover and 633), and in such a short amount of time, especially if Kishi was done with Hinata's feelings and wasn't planning to go anywhere with them?  633 just doesn't make any sense in that context.  Thus, Kishi definitely has plans yet for those feelings.

 

 

BUT on the other hand,

its just as obvious that he hasn't had Naruto show any romantic feelings for Hinata at all.  If NaruHina was the route he was planning to go down, then 631 makes no sense.  615 would have been the perfect opportunity to really start developing Naruto looking at Hinata in a different, more romantic light.  To start dropping hints that he's considering her as more than a friend.

 

But instead, he sets it up so that Minato sees Sakura with Naruto, leading him to ask Naruto the question that tells the readers he still has romantic feelings for Sakura, which in turn leads to him confirming that the pairing hint in Kushina's words way back when was always intended to be Sakura.

 

PLUS its undeniable that when looking only at the side who doesn't reciprocate (i.e. Naruto > HInata, Sakura > Naruto, and Sasuke > Sakura) that Sakura is really the only one that KIshi has hinted at actually reciprocating.

 

Sakura has blushed over Naruto multple times, some in obviously romantic contexts (while flirting with him at their reunion in part 2, hugging him at the summit, and then in part one thinking "what is this feeling?") - Naruto has only ever blushed over Hinata when she gave him her proud failure speech and told him she thought that he was a really strong person, which isn't romantic in context, as its the exact same blush Naruto had when Jiraiya told him that Naruto reminded him of Minato - Sasuke blushed over Sakura once when she was jumping all over him during the first bell test (after running across just his head sticking out of the ground and thinking he was dead), but again, the context wasn't indicative of romance, given how he treated her immediately afterwards (and Kishi was really prone to blushes that early in part one).

 

Sakura has flirted with Naruto (at their reunion by asking him if she looked more womanly, and then by offering to feed him ramen).  Neither Naruto or Sasuke have ever flirted with Hinata or Sakura respectively.

 

Sasuke has never initiated positive physical contact with Sakura.  Sakura initiated the hug, which had the blushing crowd behind it and the little girl with the classis "how romantic" pose and expression.  Further, the only other person Sakura has hugged is Sasuke, whom she is canonically in love with.  Naruto initiated the handhold, but didn't give her any particularly special or emotional expression.  The onlookers didn't indicate the hand hold came off as romantic.  He also held Shikamaru's hand the very next chapter.  The hand holding got much more focus than Sakura's hug did, by appearing on a volume cover and then by being brought up again in Hinata's thoughts in addition to being built on (by adding Naruto squeezing her hand), but there was nothing romantic in it from Naruto's side, nor did anything else in the scene indicate that it even came off as such.

 

Third party comments is what really seals the deal.  Shikamaru said "even Sakura" couldn't change Sasuke's mind - it shows some significance that Sakura had for Sasuke, but again, nothing necessarily romantic.  For Naruto we only ever got Kiba's comment, which is a joke compared to the other two's comments (especially since it was ignored completely).  For Sakura, we get Sai talking about her being gentle with Naruto, and speeches about the strength of her feelings and cut off sentences to build suspence.

 

Logically, I think the most likely outcome from this is that Hinata's feelings are going to play some part in future chapters, but it won't lead to her feelings being reciprocated.  Again, if anyone is going to have a change of heart, Sakura is the only one with an actual foundation in the manga to do so, both in regards to her feelings for Naruto AND her feelings for Sasuke.

Great post. That said since this is a debate thread, I would like to challenge one thing:

 

How certain are we about Hinata and her feelings' importance?

 

I'm not negating you or calling you wrong, but we got to note that we don't truly know because to be honest, at this point, it really feels like Hinata is not asking for love, rather just the acknowledgement that she always wanted it. 633 actually sealed it because the hand holding was made to be shown as a acknowledgement of a equal friendship, rather than someone who is behind. Remember, Naruto is always one step ahead than everyone, and recall that other members have said that Team 7 aren't the one to go beyond as they won't themselves lag behind. Connect the dot and what you get is that Hinata said her line as staying by his side in terms of determination/power. Granted that's not true, but remember, she's about being strong. She's not the character that supposed to overpower like many characters, which is why 64 palms coming from her happens. Yes, Neji already mastered it, but the point was that she wasn't strong enough as in determination (hence shyness and such), but thanks to Naruto "seal of approval", she can do it, and with that, she too can't lag behind.

 

As for the significant of hand holding, remember, after 615, Naruto is about understanding the true meaning of friendship: everyone sticks together. He was doing all by himself and while he has people to help him, he didn't understand why people will go far to die for him or anything if Naruto said that he will let no one to die. After 615, he is determined and acknowledged that everyone will stand and fight as one. If you remember his speech about Neji, he pretty much said that even they are dead, they're still there fighting in their hearts. 617 pretty much said that they are all united, hence that double panel with all of them powered up by Kuruma's chakra and Kuruma's comment on how Naruto surpassed Minato and Kushina. Not to mention, it fits the bill of what Itachi said about Minato: friends. Who's the Kushina then? Hehe. Anyway, the point is that going by the cover, it really signify the unity of the alliance. Naruto, Hinata, and Neji made sense because Neji was the one to be sacrificed and Hinata and Naruto will fight through this because united they stand (no reference). That's why I approved the cover. It's not that it's trying to be a pairing moment, though you can say Kishi did a small treat for NH, it's just telling a story that unfold that volume.

 

Lastly, the third part support. Yes, I do believe it is important in a way and Kishi has recently made it clear that if he wants to address in a specific direction, he will make it obvious. I believe we are making ourselves overthink a lot in those ambiguous wordings that Kishi intends to do. For all we know, Kiba really meant it in a superhero way, not a lover guy way. Hard to say, but lately, I will go with the first one, since the story is doing no favor for NH romance. That said if Kishi wants you to think the way he thinks, he will, like Minato in 631. At times, I think we are in too deep with pairing war that we forgot that it's just a manga with a story that most likely you have already read or saw. Honestly, I always thought the endgame was very obvious, but the adventure is what keeps me in.

 

So, are you wrong? No. Am I wrong? No. Who is right? To be determined. The thing is that Kishi could be not taken serious with Hinata at all in terms of romance, rather just a simple moral message and that's it. Lately, more and more Hinata has shown to be on a friendship level with Naruto, nothing that she will say, "I want to be with him and together, we can make our future." It's all about strength and determination. So again, I won't say I am right, but I could be in terms of if Hinata needs a conclusion to her feelings. There are other anime/manga that has one girl who loves the protagonist but never really conclude, just happy that's all. So, don't be surprised if it truly happens.



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:02 AM

Guess we are all antipating how sakura would turn to naruto. While its true there is a need for resolution on hinatas feelings, there is also a need to see how sakura will turn away from Sasuke and towards naruto, I mean in the end though she still forgives Sasuke and remains friends for the whole aspect of team 7 being together again and simutaneously have narutos and sasukes endings come about due to naruto obviously after the naruto vs Sasuke fight, but for Sakura's feelings, I feel that it would be an event of her realizing and having a recollection of what she truely feels, mainly remembering naruto and Sasuke, possibly events like when sai told her how naruto feels about her or how she mainly just contends with the old her head says one thing while her heart says another. Sakura will have some resolution but it's unsure how exactly she will turn to naruto, but whatever does come up should sakura turn to naruto, it would be one of the biggest ns moments.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:25 AM

I'll let SS and NH shippers crying aloud.I'm sure that NS will be endgame.

But I'm afraid of fanservice,like really...


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