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[sindy]

That's one more manga that places a bench in the context of romance...

what do you mean ?!

[BlazingDynamo]

Only proof I need is in the pudding, or the pages (of the manga) for NS to be canon.

 

Its basically, even with 693, you need to look at it like this:

 

even if sakura is still loving sasuke, this doesn't answer how she feels about naruto, and yet we have seen all these moments with her and naruto, despite according to the fandom that NS is just friendship or platonic, then why the heck are Naruto and Sakura getting the moments any reasonable pairing should have while Hinata is just left out and Sasuke just being an all around kitten?

 

Even then, SS fans saying that "everything built up to SS" I am sorry, but what exactly was built? Antagonism? Strife? Anger, frustration, and saddness from Sakura is what it seems if anything.

 

I mean you all know how people say "NS is friendship" or "Platonic" or "A red herring" so then, what the hell does this make SS? Is SS supposed to be love or somehow "mutual" because there is nothing mutual about attempted killings or unleashing a cruel mind strike on someone just pleading to come back and turn back before doing anything evil.

 

No really, if NS is just friendship, it still has SS beaten, because SS isn't even friendship, its just antagonism, strife, and saddness. Its not love, its everything love is not, its the most negative pairing imaginable in the series, and its just, well for SS fans thinking this somehow works for the story as it has been written, well, things are not going to go this way.

 

I mean really, how the heck was 693 positive for SS? I know people were upset with Sakura or Kishis choice of how he did Sakura, but even then, can anyone even think of anything positive for SS in that one instance? Because Sakura still loves Sasuke? Thats really the reason to suspect that SS would go canon? Can't every other pairing claim this?

 

What about the fact of:

 

-Sakura being angry/frustrated aside from being sad on sasukes choice?

 

-Sasuke's action of again calling sakura annoying and putting her in a genjutsu?

 

-Sasuke sh**ting on Sakura's feelings and saying outright, "he has no interest in her, no reason to love her, and cannot see why she loves him" seriously, sasuke himself asked the best question all non-SS fans have questioned for years, just why does she love him? It certainly has not gotten better over the story, its just sunk lower and lower, while her relation with naruto got better.

 

-Did they forget that even Kakashi said her actions were based on just wanting to save him from darkness like Naruto has been for so long? This was Sakuras only way to her at least in a way to try and attempt this.

 

-Did Naruto's promise mean nothing? This certainly says NS stuff is around, hell this event didn't even impact NS and yet why are SS fans just glossing over this?

 

Its like again, this stuff is not hard, its not complicated, its like the land of iron, sasuke full out attempted to kill sakura at that event, in this one, he outright says he doesn't love her, so now are people again trying to say that this isn't what it is? That its somehow got a "hidden meaning?" No thats just the kind of thing thats too far out there, in fact if this was true, this makes things even more complicated than the whole "Sakura loves Sasuke yet Cares for Naruto but why does she have all the important scenes with naruto, even those that are normally intended for two who may become a couple, even then why the hints like kushina? I don't see why this stuff would go on Sakura if she is related to Kushina, unless there is a reason for all of this, perhaps a foreshadow?

 

I mean did 685 solve anything? No but some fans apparently think it did, and that this somehow still works despite what sasuke just did. So apparently, a love subplot would be fulfilled, by not a pairing with a long gradual and slowly built mutual relationship with plenty of hints, dynamics, and inference, but rather one that has just served no purpose but antagonism, been void of anything positive, had no reason for years that the fans, and even the fillers couldnt expand upon, had the other "no love needed" character even say he doesn't get or want it, done so much negative to the one who loves him (leave her, attempted killings, mental torment of him killing her), had said other character (sakura) constantly be in conflict with this for reasons, we again, do not fully understand, been upset with every bad deed this guy has done, and yet she herself has a good relationship with the hero but they are just going to be friends right? Because apparently sasuke is sasuke, even when he doesn't even matter in the love subplot, he still gets by with nothing, so being a jerk or otherwise SS occurs because Sakura "either simply loved him or just hoped" and then Sasuke gets all warm and fuzzy and his heart grows like the Grinch's spontaneously. All this negativity just doesn't matter right? Sasuke gets a free pass like always, even when it doesn't make a difference to him.

 

So apparently Sasuke can get away with anything, even just being a jerk to destory the world and start a revolution, outright claim to want to kill naruto, the kage, and Sakura should still side and love him in the end like it was nothing? That this all should merit the fruits of a love borne relationship after so much negativity?

 

 

 

Because looking at it, there is no way this makes sense, not now, not in the end of the manga, not in the movie, even with the timeskip. There is no excuse for SS now. Its dead.

 

Hell want to know something funny, you don't even need NS and NH in the story at all, and SS as it is, would still be anything but love. Even if you ignored all the NS and NH stuff, SS on its own would still do absolutely nothing, it wouldn't work at all.

 

 

Fans can act like SS is still there, that this will again apparently just "blow over and do nothing" but it wont cut it like that anymore, to me and most others, SS is nothing but hot air, full of nothingness. Even those chanting that NS was somehow impacted, nothing from this even impacted NS, that stuff is still there, if it wasn't impacted then its still in effect.

 

Even with the part when Minato left, some people said that it was proof 631 was "a joke" or "naruto was put on the spot" but even if that was true, well this certainly doesn't help NH or SS now does it? Hinata never met Minato, it doesn't change who Kushina was likenend too in the past, and it certainly doesn't change Kushinas own history which is just too similar to Sakura regardless. The fact is, we still got kushinas foreshadow and she still was attributed to Sakura, in both past with minato, attitude, early relationships, and directly from Minato himself.

 

At this point, nothing helps SS, even if something was argued against another pairing, SS has nothing and I mean nothing, because if "because Sakura loves Sasuke" is still the only reason, then they are out of ammo, cause any pairing can throw the same shots back at them. NH is out of moves too, the manga is ending, naruto is intent on the promise, he still loves sakura, 615 was their make or break moment and well, it broke. And even like SS, the movie trying to use the timeskip as an excuse is just an asspull.

 

For what its worth, all that unanswered NS stuff is still there, it has a reason that its not entirely impossible to suspect a final NS moment for the manga and otherwise expect it to be canon in the movie, but as far as the manga itself is for the finale right now, NH is done and SS is dead. NH may get a resolution in the movie, but NS is still the only acceptable one. SS can only be friendship for any positive future, but for all purposes, its dead, we don't know why sakura loved him so long, and because its been so void of any reason or positivity, its dead, you cannot build something big out of something that had nothing positive to begin with for so long, espcially when its been an antagonism factor that we have questioned for so long without even an notion of a reason. If SS has no reasons and even with Sasuke saying what he said in 693, well there you go, SS is dead.

 

I mean hell, just imagine if Sakura loved Sasuke for what she thought was the "kinder side" she met in chapter 3, just imagine for a second if she came to love him more for what naruto did so long ago, thinking that she had a place in his heart, and then just imagine the freakout of fans if she discovered it was Naruto who was the kinder sasuke at the time, the one who liked her imperfections, it would be a full circle deal. I mean she cares for him, but it would be a revelation to her for why she always asked why he always locked her out and never gave her that warm reception from the start of the manga, because that sasuke never truly existed, that ideal sasuke, all along was naruto. I mean this is wishful thinking, but if it did happen in the movie, it would be the mother of all meltdowns for those against NS.

Thank you so much for saying this!

[Syn11]

what do you mean ?!

There are a lot of bench scenes when it comes to romance. Those are popular, it seems. )

[Gojira]

So, if you were to bet your life savings on this person being accurate, would you?

Cause this sounds too good to be true territory

Not really sure what kind of situation would warrant that but yes. The source is reliable I guarantee it.

[sindy]

There are a lot of bench scenes when it comes to romance. Those are popular, it seems. )

oh , what make it funny that the Heroine realize her feeling for the hero only in the last chapter , it is looks like the shonen mangaka like this way we have FMA as another example .

Edited by sindy, 09 October 2014 - 10:34 PM.

[Syn11]

oh , what make it funny that the Heroine realize her feeling for the hero only in the last chapter , it is looks like the shonen mangaka like this way we have FMA as another example .

I bet, the same happens with Sakura in the next chapters. Only there won't be a bench, just plain old Kakashi and ruins...

[rocci]

@miami
Did rikuo love someone else or he doesn't love anyone from the start of manga?

@sindy
Oh so they are imply to be a couple.

[sindy]

@miami
Did rikuo love someone else or he doesn't love anyone from the start of manga?

@sindy
Oh so they are imply to be a couple.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[rocci]

@sindy
I'm sorry I can't see it ^^

[sindy]

@sindy
I'm sorry I can't see it ^^

hmmm?! why?!

[rocci]

hmmm?! why?!

I'm on my phone, and I don't see a picture.
Can you tell me what is it?

[Nostradamus]

"Sakura-Chan copied Hinata."

Kishi used his copy-paste skills. But this time he made it better.

[sindy]

I'm on my phone, and I don't see a picture.
Can you tell me what is it?

oh ok , in the end when himeko know from bossun that he will going to the same collage as her , she Decided to not tell him about her feeling until the last year of the collage.

 

so i guess it is hint that both of them will be couple in the future.  

Edited by sindy, 09 October 2014 - 11:00 PM.

[Miiami]

@miami
Did rikuo love someone else or he doesn't love anyone from the start of manga?

@sindy
Oh so they are imply to be a couple.

Rikuo is a human+yokai(ghost), there was a curse lifted on his clan so that they could not have children with yokai anymore, his father had a human wife, and Kana with Rikuo kind of paralleled his father and mother, and Tsurara's mother "Yuki Onna" was just like Tsurara she liked her master but she didn't end up with him. Tsurara is a yokai, so she wouldnt be able to have children with Rikuo, and Rikuo didn't see her that way, and had moments with Kana in beginning, (I personally liked tsurara and rikuo), but then character polls came out and Tsurara was in second place, and she always kept gettin' second place, then Kana gradually disappeared from manga, and Tsurara had her moments with Rikuo, then the curse was lifted and stuff, and then we got extra chapters after manga ended where Rikuo and Tsurara were confirmed. Basically in beginning it strongly implied (Rikuo/Kana), but ended with (Tsurara/Rikuo). You should try reading this manga, it was epic, not rushed ending, good story.:3

[rocci]

@miami
I read it (but not fully) until Kyoto arc and some the 1000 story or something.
I agree it is a good manga. What I want to ask is, did rikuo love kana in the first place?

[Miiami]

@miami
I read it (but not fully) until Kyoto arc and some the 1000 story or something.
I agree it is a good manga. What I want to ask is, did rikuo love kana in the first place?

I don't remember, I think he had a crush on her, I recall him giving her a "mirror" as a gift or something. His feelings were kind of vague I think. I read it 2 years ago. D: You should finish :>

Edited by Miiami, 09 October 2014 - 11:48 PM.

[六道仙人]

actually I always considered that rikuo had 2 loves: One for Kana when he was in human form and the other one for Tsurara (yuki onna) in youkai form.

[rocci]

I don't remember, I think he had a crush on her, I recall him giving her a "mirror" as a gift or something. His feelings were kind of vague I think. I read it 2 years ago. D: You should finish :>

I don't read the beginning but from what I read, rikuo doesn't love anyone.
Well it kind of like harem setting with kana, that omyouji girl, and tsurara.
And kana love rikuo night form.

[Otaru]

The Naruto fandom in general is pissing me off.
I lurked a little on other forums. I shouldn't have done that LOL.

 

They're just bashing Kishi, bashing Sakura, They won't accept that Sakura could change her feelings for Naruto but they keep saying that Naruto changed his for Hinata... It's just completely pissing me off, and I'm really tired of all this.

 

I can't believe I will say that, because I love this manga, but I want it to end. I would like it to be already finished and with everything cleared.

You know what guys ? It's possible that the pairings will not be resolved in the manga, because if a pairing is resolved in the manga, then maybe some fans will not be interested in the movie...

 

I don't know, it's a possibility...

 

That would be disappointing for me. I want the manga to be conclusive like Kishi said he will do.

Edited by Otaru, 10 October 2014 - 12:03 AM.

[六道仙人]

those people must have some heavy problems in life...