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[bthug]

There is also the simple fact that their has been so much Narusaku development/moments that it would odd if it doesn't happen, unless Kishi is just messing with us but that would be terrible.

[Mary]

Kishi is not messing with us. He's messing with SasuSaku. That scene in 540 proves it. Actually, I almost feel sorry for the poor guys when their ship will come crashing down after such a GIGANTIC stroke to their ego....almost.

Edited by Mary, 27 May 2011 - 06:52 PM.

[MangaReader]

You know, part of me expected this to happen, as it's been happening to the other pairings as well, so I think SasuSaku needed a little boost to their already dimished confidence even though their pairing should have cest to exist back when this happend:
Hm, Kishi, do you ever look back at what you've done in this manga?

Edited by MangaReader, 27 May 2011 - 07:27 PM.

[hothead]

You know I hardly doubt that Kishi is teasing us with the NS development solely because teasing can only go so far before its not teasing anymore, I think that teasing applies more to NH since the moments were kept short and didn't really build up on anything.
But hey, thats just what I think.

[MangaReader]

You know I hardly doubt that Kishi is teasing us with the NS development solely because teasing can only go so far before its not teasing anymore, I think that teasing applies more to NH since the moments were kept short and didn't really build up on anything.
But hey, thats just what I think.

I guess you could say that for SasuSaku as well, seeing as how both couples are one-sided love fest

[Mary]

I think he's actually being cruel to the NH fans. Frankly that's the only pairing as of yet that has had no negative development whatsoever. It doesn't have any REAL development either, but that's why it will sting so much more, because he keeps playing on the wounds, and making the fans believe that quality is worth more than quantity (or so some NH fans tell themselves), but with SasuSaku, you know by now it's bulls*, but NaruHina fans are still holding on to that confession that's never gonna be addressed, or if it will...well, let's just say they won't like it much.

[Phantom_999]

Honestly, with all the slow, gradual and consistent development that NaruSaku has had throughout the manga, it's hard to think of it not happening. Sakura's feelings have changed for Naruto over time from the very beginning of the manga. If Kishi was to be swayed by what is more popular or what people like, then it wouldn't be Kishi's story. It wouldn't be the romance that Kishi had written for his own story. He will do it the way he's been doing it since the beginning. The reason why it would be strange if NaruSaku doesn't become canon is because of all the development and everything that has happened between these two and that he would spend so much time on it's development and bringing in so many positive and mutual moments between them to then just dismiss it at the end of the series and go with a different pairing. Naruto still loves Sakura and Sakura has been shown to love Naruto as well. Sakura just needs her feelings for Sasuke to be resolved and then prove to Naruto again that she truly loves him and only him and that he is truly the right one for her.

Some of you guys are being really pessimistic about this whole thing. It's best to just relax and stay calm about it and to just watch and wait to see where the manga is heading from now on. There's bound to be more moments in the future.

That's my two cents, even though most of it has already been mentioned.

VERY good point Ani and true also I was just disappointed that Sakura was thinking about Sasuke when that guy was talking about who she likes because even if there was a hidden meaning to that panel like she was only feeling confused about Sasuke and meant she loved Naruto when she said she liked some one else, to the fans it will suggest that she stilll loves Sasuke and in turn they will react like this:"SHE WAS LYING!!!!!!! and "SO SHE WAS USING NARUTO'S FEELINGS AFTER ALL!!!!!!!!! THAT F****** b****!!!!!!! and SS and NH fans will be rejoicing like this as we have seen already so I have to ask my self "What IS Kishimoto planning?" He just portrayed Sakura in a way that would make fans bash and insult her again and praise Hinata even more which was the exact opposite of what he wanted even if that was not his intention.

Edited by Phantom_999, 29 May 2011 - 05:04 PM.

[rastaman]

There is also the simple fact that their has been so much Narusaku development/moments that it would odd if it doesn't happen, unless Kishi is just messing with us but that would be terrible.

My guess would be, that Hinata DOES have to get some moments too, because she would be a neglected character if theren't any ambiguous scenes.
That's proof for NaruSaku, because Hinata is a pitiable character. Even if Kishimoto had decided on NaruSaku to happen to begin with (most likely the case because JUST BY DRAWING A PAGE Kishimoto thinks ALOT about a character. Especially the main characters who are definitely harder to draw due to the better quality in details),
he could NOT neglect NaruHina.
NaruHina has become very popular, so imagine what could have happened, if Hinata hadn't got some moments with Naruto.
She would be a character, whom everyone has sympathy for because the love triangle is something that CONSTANTLY builds up suspense. Hinata is 1/4 of the most important characters. She could be used to absorb the the impact of a possible death of Sasuke (3/4 of main characters survive). If she survives she doesn't even need to be with Naruto. A happy-ending would be very pleasing after such a long manga and since Sakura has more development than Hinata this happy-ending would be even more RELIEVING with NaruSaku.
Sakura's ups and downs only add up the total tension (in OVER 500 chapters already!)
'Sadness and Sorrow' is also a very solid evidence for NaruSaku. It's a very fitting soundtrack since there are lots of sad moments, but there's ALSO that dilemma in the love triangle and the neverending tension.
The whole tension is gonna crumble down as fast as a lightning bolt. The ending will leave MOST readers astonished and content. Everyone should be HAPPY and the easiest way to accomplish that is by making all 4 characters in the love issue survive.
If Sasuke doesn't die then SasuSaku fans won't be THAT disappointed since he's only focused on revenge right now. He has a high chance of dying and that's what LOTS of fans and Naruto are afraid of.

What if Nagato and Itachi are gonna fight Naruto and Sasuke? This has already been implied. 2 vs 2 and Naruto and Sasuke defeat them as allies >final boss Madara + Kabuto. Madara kills Kabuto and later Sasuke. >NaruSaku is also most likely to happen in this case.

The two likeliest endings (Sasuke dies>traitor and murderer should experience punishment; Sasuke survives>Sakura HAS ALREADY recognized that Sasuke is the WORST choice) are BOTH possibilities which point at NaruSaku.

LOL just imagine Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura and Hinata to be 4 eggs. You drop them and 3 land on the grass. The one to shatter is Sasuke but you still have 3 left: Nevermind! The shattered one was rotten anyway.

Edited by rastaman, 27 May 2011 - 10:11 PM.

[Mary]

Sasuke is not rotten! He's only killed criminals up until now, Danzo was a rotten bastard! There's too much hints in the manga that he'll be redeemed, and you're missing the point here. If Sasuke dies, Sakura wouldn't be the problem, it would be Naruto! He's the one whose gonna be an emotional wreck because he's the only one in that bloody village who has yet to give up on Sasuke, no matter what he did. NaruSaku would fall apart without Sasuke, because of Naruto and his guilt trip. It wouldn't be just about disappointing Sakura, since Naruto is not after Sasuke for her sake anymore, he's doing that for himself, because he considered Sasuke as a brother.

You remember Sakura's confession? Naruto could not get himself to believe that Sakura had fallen for him because he remembered how enchanted she was of Sasuke.

Put yourself in Naruto's shoes: The person you loved like a brother died, and you're left alone, to console the girl who'd once loved said brother. He'd think that he's second best, in fact, he thinks that right now (that's why he couldn't accept her feeling then, that's why he accused her of lying!), but that feeling would be even more accentuated by Sasuke's death, because right now, Sakura can still prove to him that she loves him over Sasuke, but if Sasuke dies, than that hope dies with him, and Naruto won't live with the doubt.

[rastaman]

Sasuke is not rotten! He's only killed criminals up until now, Danzo was a rotten bastard! There's too much hints in the manga that he'll be redeemed, and you're missing the point here. If Sasuke dies, Sakura wouldn't be the problem, it would be Naruto! He's the one whose gonna be an emotional wreck because he's the only one in that bloody village who has yet to give up on Sasuke, no matter what he did. NaruSaku would fall apart without Sasuke, because of Naruto and his guilt trip. It wouldn't be just about disappointing Sakura, since Naruto is not after Sasuke for her sake anymore, he's doing that for himself, because he considered Sasuke as a brother.

You remember Sakura's confession? Naruto could not get himself to believe that Sakura had fallen for him because he remembered how enchanted she was of Sasuke.

Put yourself in Naruto's shoes: The person you loved like a brother died, and you're left alone, to console the girl who'd once loved said brother. He'd think that he's second best, in fact, he thinks that right now (that's why he couldn't accept her feeling then, that's why he accused her of lying!), but that feeling would be even more accentuated by Sasuke's death, because right now, Sakura can still prove to him that she loves him over Sasuke, but if Sasuke dies, than that hope dies with him, and Naruto won't live with the doubt.

Mary you write some negative things there. Sasuke has already killed samurais who are in the NEUTRAL Land of Iron. That makes him a murderer and I don't really like your pessimistic attitude in that two lines after the first paragraph.
I only mentioned some possible outcomes but you shouldn't write 'enchanted she was of Sasuke'. He DOES remember 'how enchanted she was of Sasuke' but she has a VERY WORSENED opinion of him now.

[Mary]

You're again talking about Sakura, when I'm talking about Naruto. I don't doubt that Sakura can recover from Sasuke's loss, but Naruto isn't going to, which is why I don't think Kishi's gonna kill him.

And I'm not a pessimistic person, I'm actually firmly convinced that at the end of the Manga Team 7 will emerge victorious, and intact.

Edited by Mary, 27 May 2011 - 11:03 PM.

[bthug]

The funny part is sasuke doesnt like sakura at least he's never shown it, unless trying to kill someone counts as flirting nowadays
Also I cannot see sasuke coming out of this alive, but i do see him being redeemed.

I am going to stay true to my feelings and the evidence provided and make a stand.

Today on May 27 I guarantee that it will be Narusaku standing tall at the end. BELIEVE IT!

[rastaman]

You're again talking about Sakura, when I'm talking about Naruto. I don't doubt that Sakura can recover from Sasuke's loss, but Naruto isn't going to, which is why I don't think Kishi's gonna kill him.

As I WROTE, I only mentioned the possibilities and you say Sakura cannot recover from Sasuke's loss.
DO YOU rembember Sasuke's facial expression after losing Itachi? He wants to bring about eternal damnation to Konohagakure. IF HE attacks Sakura again or if he goes on a rampage and kills INNOCENT people Naruto could reconsider his opinion about Sasuke, not to mention the fact that Sasuke has tried to kill Sakura a few times. Sakura is a MECICAL SHINOBI, whereas Sasuke is on verge of becoming the EXACT OPPOSITE of her by killing even more people. >>> Sasuke kills, Sakura saves lifes<<<This is what makes Sakura very sad so Sasuke DOES have a high chance of dying. He's gonna be at the point of no return. It was the village elders that ordered Itachi to kill the Uchiha clan. It was NOT the whole village. What about children and civilians? There are some who don't become shinobi or those who aren't strong enough to survive his superior attacks.
Sakura is actually SO ENDLESSLY DEPRESSED right now that you could describe her suffering by picturing how Sasuke has put an extreme pressure on Sakura's mind. EVERY EVIL action of him will now have serious consequences at the end that's for sure.
He has not even entered the fray and Madara is gonna protect him till the fight against Naruto. Until then he can kill lots of people. That's to provoke Naruto so that he can prove his superiority. Have you thought about Naruto trading his Kyuubi chakras for Sakura's life?

Edited by rastaman, 27 May 2011 - 11:28 PM.

[Ani]

I also don't think Sasuke is going to die. Even though he has done some pretty bad things, I feel he is still going to be redeemed in the end. One of the reasons being that even when we thought Naruto should give up on Sasuke back when they met after he saved Sakura, he didn't. If he seriously isn't going to change his mind, then Sasuke will be redeemed in the end and most likely live. I don't see Kishi killing Sasuke off either. And if the slight chance that Sasuke was to be killed off, that isn't necessarily a good thing in some cases for us. If he is killed off and NaruSaku happens, it might feel like Naruto came in second place because Sasuke died. A lot of people will feel this way. And I would be worried about seeing Naruto and Sakura suffer from losing him.

As I have seen people mention before, I wouldn't mind if Sasuke was to be redeemed in the end. Only if it is done in a believable and good way. This way, Sakura's feelings can be resolved. To choose between Naruto and a sane Sasuke. If she chooses Naruto, then it's over. Because her feelings were resolved and it's a satisfying end to the love triangle. Because even though she loved Sasuke first, she chooses Naruto in the end because she loves him more than she ever did Sasuke.

[Mary]

Wow, you're still talking about Sakura, so I'm guessing you didn't understand me.

Let me rephrase: If Sasuke dies Naruto will be the one on who his death will have the most impact on, since Sakura has already given up on Sasuke on several occasions (the only reason she still believes in his redemption is due to Naruto).

Naruto on the other hand is the only one of the team who full understands Sasuke, he understood his loneliness, he understands the pain that he feels because of his loss, he even admitted that he understands Sasuke's reasons for wanting to take revenge on Konoha for killing his clan, which is why, he offered to burden Sasuke's hatred for the whole village. He told Sasuke to come after him and Sasuke agreed, which is why Sasuke finally accepted Madara's proposal to take Itachi's eyes: to be strong enough to break Naruto. See, Sasuke is not going to go around killing innocent people, he'll go directly for Naruto because that's the one bond that he hasn't manged to break no mater how hard he's tried, and judging by his logic, he has to break it in order to be strong. But I'm positive he won't be able to break the bond, because Naruto is destined to succeed where Jiraiya failed, and Jiraiya failed to bring back his friend Orochimaru from the wrong path, but Naruto will restore Sasuke, and bring him back to Konoha as the hero that he was meant to be. And Sasuke obviously doesn't love Sakura, and Sakura loves Naruto, so Sasuke will only be glad to see his two best friends together in the end. And that is how I see the ending to Naruto.

Believe me, there are too many hints and foreshadows of this for Kishi to kill Sasuke in the end.

[Phantom_999]

The funny part is sasuke doesnt like sakura at least he's never shown it, unless trying to kill someone counts as flirting nowadays
Also I cannot see sasuke coming out of this alive, but i do see him being redeemed.

I am going to stay true to my feelings and the evidence provided and make a stand.

Today on May 27 I guarantee that it will be Narusaku standing tall at the end. BELIEVE IT!

OH GOD, WHY DID YOU NEED TO QUOTE THAT CATCH PHRASE FROM THE DUB?! Its so annoying it makes me puke blood!
If you want to use his catchphrase at least use dettebayo please I like the dub but that English catchphrase makes me want to shoot myself thank you that they don't use it anymore

Edited by Phantom_999, 29 May 2011 - 05:02 PM.

[rastaman]

Wow, you're still talking about Sakura, so I'm guessing you didn't understand me.

Let me rephrase: If Sasuke dies Naruto will be the one on who his death will have the most impact on, since Sakura has already given up on Sasuke on several occasions (the only reason she still believes in his redemption is due to Naruto).

Naruto on the other hand is the only one of the team who full understands Sasuke, he understood his loneliness, he understands the pain that he feels because of his loss, he even admitted that he understands Sasuke's reasons for wanting to take revenge on Konoha for killing his clan, which is why, he offered to burden Sasuke's hatred for the whole village. He told Sasuke to come after him and Sasuke agreed, which is why Sasuke finally accepted Madara's proposal to take Itachi's eyes: to be strong enough to break Naruto. See, Sasuke is not going to go around killing innocent people, he'll go directly for Naruto because that's the one bond that he hasn't manged to break no mater how hard he's tried, and judging by his logic, he has to break it in order to be strong. But I'm positive he won't be able to break the bond, because Naruto is destined to succeed where Jiraiya failed, and Jiraiya failed to bring back his friend Orochimaru from the wrong path, but Naruto will restore Sasuke, and bring him back to Konoha as the hero that he was meant to be. And Sasuke obviously doesn't love Sakura, and Sakura loves Naruto, so Sasuke will only be glad to see his two best friends together in the end. And that is how I see the ending to Naruto.

Believe me, there are too many hints and foreshadows of this for Kishi to kill Sasuke in the end.

It seems you don't understand me too. I wrote some possibilities and don't claim that I'm absolutely in the right.
I KNOW that you mean Naruto but my GUESS is that Naruto could STILL try to kill Sasuke if he were to attack Sakura and innocent people.
I was only stating that there is more than one possible outcome considering the overwhelming enemy >Madara with lots of Jinchuuriki chakra + Kabuto

Edited by rastaman, 27 May 2011 - 11:55 PM.

[Mary]

No, I did understand them as "possibilities", I'm just a little too fixed in my opinions, and Naruto (the manga) has yet to wander so much off track from what I've come to expect that they just seam a little too unlikely for me to take serious. And when is the last time Kishi's killed a main character anyway?

PS: Sasuke already tried to kill Sakura one, and Naruto resolved the matter by talking to him with his fists. (You remember the whole "I'll break your legs and drag you back" speech? He's not gonna kill Sasuke...incapacitate him, maybe, but kill...no way!)

[The Tax-Man]

@rastaman

Bro, don't even try to put Hinata in the same league as the protagonists. Seriously. Just because people like her doesn't mean that she should be, in any shape or form, associated with them.

[rastaman]

@rastaman

Bro, don't even try to put Hinata in the same league as the protagonists. Seriously. Just because people like her doesn't mean that she should be, in any shape or form, associated with them.

You seem to have an interesting opinion. Though I did write that she's a pitiable character and a tool to let all the tension break down in relief in one go, whereas Sakura could be the already deciced on by Kishimoto.