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[catsi563]

soo after this chapter do all think we still need sakura POV to see who she loves?

Yes we do. Recall that Sakura has pursued Sasuke so diligently for a reason beyond her friendship with Naruto, and her bond with team 7. She was in love with him, due to that moment, and it was a deeply affecting moment. Its something that Sakura has needed to confront for awhile now.

once that confrontation is done itll clarify her feelings nicely

[firegirl]

ok got new debate and this is about naruto and his thinking about sasuke

But when you speack about Naruto you should know that HE will NEVER kill someone out of love. I seriously 100% doubt he'll end up killing sasuke, because he's much to important for him. Especially if he want's to accieve the rank of Hokage. To be a hokage is to save lifes not take them away, right? ^.^

Seems to me you don't know Naruto at all .. No matter what Sasuke is .. Naruto still thinks of him as his brother..and he'd never take his life, because they have a special bond and he'll never break it no matter what and u know that.
Though I understand you perfectly..i'm an optimist and i still have hope that everything will be fine...

any one feel sasuke might sacrifice him self or is naruto is going to kill him out of love

also thanks for answeing my ? im feeling confident and awating sakura POV^^

i still have faith in narusaku but i have no idea what will happen to sasuke

Edited by firegirl, 29 January 2010 - 07:04 PM.

[Gravenimage]

one thing we can be 100% sasuke dosent or will never love anyone


catsi563* even sai said she has moved on kish stated it do you mean she needs closhure to chapter 3

I think it will make sense if Kishi focus chapter 3 the bench scene in this arc. It will explain clearly that Sakura has lingering feelings for Sasuke because of that particular scene and she will face Sasuke in order to stop him and to figure out if he meant to say those words to her back at ch 3, I'm sure once she finds out the truth who was the real person who complimented her forehead then she will finally reveal her true feelings. Because we have to agree this arc is also about Sakura and her feelings for Naruto, Kishi will probably close the so called team seven love triangle in this arc. Or perhaps this arc will give a glimpse of what will be the canon pairing in the manga in the future.

[catsi563]

you have to keep in mind that the bench scene is the beginning. its the beginnign of Sakruas feelings for sasuke, the beginning of Narutos feelings for Sakura, the beginning of Sakuras first steps towards Naruto.

A lot of beginnings, and it will also be the impetus us of a number of closings as well.

it will close Sakuras feelings for Sasuke as real feelings but ones based on an illusion so she will be able to let them go and mvoe on to Naruto.

It will close the old feelings for Naruto and open her up to the new ones she has for him now.

its a circle a vewry common storyteling tool a beginning point used to start a developmental journey and finally used as a closing moment. Which then leads off into the next phase of development.

[Hak]

you have to keep in mind that the bench scene is the beginning. its the beginnign of Sakruas feelings for sasuke, the beginning of Narutos feelings for Sakura, the beginning of Sakuras first steps towards Naruto.

A lot of beginnings, and it will also be the impetus us of a number of closings as well.

it will close Sakuras feelings for Sasuke as real feelings but ones based on an illusion so she will be able to let them go and mvoe on to Naruto.

It will close the old feelings for Naruto and open her up to the new ones she has for him now.

its a circle a vewry common storyteling tool a beginning point used to start a developmental journey and finally used as a closing moment. Which then leads off into the next phase of development.

Do you think there could be a chance about a witness for the bench scene. Say somebody like Kakashi, after all he has always been full of suprises and always wery well informed about his team...

Edited by Hak, 29 January 2010 - 08:55 PM.

[catsi563]

A witness? Possible but unlikely. the closest they have is Sasuke himself and Ino , Shikamaru and Choji.

Sasuke would know about Naruto ambushing him and hengeing into him, and he knows about Naruto liking Sakura. She may confront him with this and he may put two and two together and reveal the truth.

Ino Shika Cho saw the ambush and saw ""Sasuke"" leave. while i doubt they know the aftermath they could put two and two together if confronted by Sakura. though I doubt they will be.

No im pretty sure this is one of the last of the third party interventions between these two in regard to their relationship. Yamatos revealed Sakuras feelings for naruto. Sai revealed Narutos feelings for Sakura. and both have had their feelings revealed to each other.

Sasuke will be the last. he will reveal the truth of the bench scene, and this will crystalize her feelings for naruto. then the two of them will have to take things on their own from there.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

Guys, I never thought "the henge scene" back on chapter 3, was greatly considered by a SS fan, as a pathetic move for Naruto.
Just like this post

Deservedly demonized.Urg,it was enough that he impersonated a team mate he had previously put out of the way, carefully lied and led his other team mate on to play a false intimacy and kept the henge long enough to almost get a kiss.And even then, he was planning in the bathroom to go on with the plan.
As rotten as the milk he drank.That was one of early Naruto´s nastiest sides.




It´s bad enough, but as a curse seal induced fit of rage purposedly added by Kishi to show the formerly cold Sasuke´s degradation, as Naruto mentioned shortly after,and as Sakura herself realized looking at his neck when he and Naruto were leaving(without taking the least notice of her pleas, neither of the two boys, that´s the real shame of the scene) , not planned lying like the henge case.

Notice the second paragraph was greatly pro Sasuke, relating how SS can be a healthy pairing. contradicting the bench scene
What do you guys think?

[Gravenimage]

Guys, I never thought "the henge scene" back on chapter 3, was greatly considered by a SS fan, as a pathetic move for Naruto.
Just like this post

Notice the second paragraph was greatly pro Sasuke, relating how SS can be a healthy pairing. contradicting the bench scene
What do you guys think?

The bench scene was a pro N/S moment to me and like catsi said it was the beginning of so many things, Sakura's feelings for Sasuke as well as Naruto's feelings for Sakura. But hell it was NOT a S/S moment. I'm not surprised that S/S have become very desperate lately realizing the truth that their pairing could be dead already they're no better than N/H fans. Some of the N/H fans excuses are so lame I just laugh among them Hinata's picture on the cover of 297 (Yamato's speech) as well as her picture on 441 . But anyway I suggest that person reads ch 3 again I really have no clue how he can say it's a S/S moment.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

The bench scene was a pro N/S moment to me and like catsi said it was the beginning of so many things, Sakura's feelings for Sasuke as well as Naruto's feelings for Sakura. But hell it was NOT a S/S moment. I'm not surprised that S/S have become very desperate lately realizing the truth that their pairing could be dead already they're no better than N/H fans. Some of the N/H fans excuses are so lame I just laugh among them Hinata's picture on the cover of 297 (Yamato's speech) as well as her picture on 441 . But anyway I suggest that person reads ch 3 again I really have no clue how he can say it's a S/S moment.

I agree, Graven. I still believe in the bench scene for NS..

[catsi563]

while it wasnt exactly one of Narutos finer moments. it was done with a very specific purpose. it was done prinarilly to show just how much Naruto understood Sakura.

how he was able to speak outloud her fantasy and acknowledge her. these things which Sakura said he was incapable of we come to undersatnd that hes far more aware of her then she thinks he is.

As to sasuke I have news for everyone who thinks the curse seal was what induced Sasuke to do all the mean things he did to Sakura and Naruto.

the seal didnt do squat. it was all Sasuke he chose his path, the curse seal at worst was like catnip to a cat. it jsut gave him the excuse to do what he was thinking to do anyways. The sound 4 beating him so easiily after Itachi did was jsut another trigger. Just like Naruto out doing him at every turn.

His jealousy and envy just kept growing and growng. Look again at the scene where he tells Sakura about Naruto saving her from Gaara.

he doesnt care about Sakura beyond a teamate, but in that Scene you can see a clear jealousy at the look Sakuras giving Naruto, that fond warm smile.

to him Naruto was the deadlast no matter how much hed grown and gained power and strength. to him ti seemed like he was standing still while Naruto the dead last loser was leaving him behind.

Sasuke made choices he wasnt influenced by the cursed seal he was influenced by his own insecurities and jealousy.

[Gravenimage]

while it wasnt exactly one of Narutos finer moments. it was done with a very specific purpose. it was done prinarilly to show just how much Naruto understood Sakura.

how he was able to speak outloud her fantasy and acknowledge her. these things which Sakura said he was incapable of we come to undersatnd that hes far more aware of her then she thinks he is.

As to sasuke I have news for everyone who thinks the curse seal was what induced Sasuke to do all the mean things he did to Sakura and Naruto.

the seal didnt do squat. it was all Sasuke he chose his path, the curse seal at worst was like catnip to a cat. it jsut gave him the excuse to do what he was thinking to do anyways. The sound 4 beating him so easiily after Itachi did was jsut another trigger. Just like Naruto out doing him at every turn.

His jealousy and envy just kept growing and growng. Look again at the scene where he tells Sakura about Naruto saving her from Gaara.

he doesnt care about Sakura beyond a teamate, but in that Scene you can see a clear jealousy at the look Sakuras giving Naruto, that fond warm smile.

to him Naruto was the deadlast no matter how much hed grown and gained power and strength. to him ti seemed like he was standing still while Naruto the dead last loser was leaving him behind.

Sasuke made choices he wasnt influenced by the cursed seal he was influenced by his own insecurities and jealousy.

catsi don't forget Sasuke's hatred and desire for revenge killing Itachi meant everything to him just like revenge against Konoha now.

[Jenskott]

I agree, Graven. I still believe in the bench scene for NS...

I don't see how it possibly can be pro-SS.

Naruto realized why he loved Sakura.

Sakura fell in love with a ghost never existed.

We -the readership- saw Sakura's ideal boyfriend was Naruto.

Sasuke later insulted and scorned Sakura for putting Naruto down, and Sakura reflected she should deal Naruto better henceforth.

As to sasuke I have news for everyone who thinks the curse seal was what induced Sasuke to do all the mean things he did to Sakura and Naruto.

Does someone seriously think that?

the seal didnt do squat. it was all Sasuke he chose his path, the curse seal at worst was like catnip to a cat.

Exactly. It is never stated or implied the seal put thoughts weren't in his mind to start with. Orochimaru and his henchmen clearly stated the Cursed Seal boosted the user's power and aggressivity. No more, no less.

It baffles me people compares the scene where Sakura stopped CS Sasuke with the moment where the Four-Tailed Fox scarred her arm to prove Sasuke is Sakura's perfect match and Naruto is an abuser.

Naruto. Who wasn't conscious during that ordeal. Who wasn't responsible for her wounds since Kyuubi was controlling his body. Who was horrified when he found out, nevertheless. Give me a bloody break.

By the way, I haven't read this week's chapter but I have found out what has happened to Karin. I guess SS fans are declaring SasuKarin dead now.

If that is the case, my question is: if he did that to Karin why do they think he wouldn't do it to Sakura? Actually, he attempted doing right that! And he wasn't "only" willing to wound Sakura, he intended killing her!

[catsi563]

catsi don't forget Sasuke's hatred and desire for revenge killing Itachi meant everything to him just like revenge against Konoha now.

Actually at that time he was beginning to mellow out in that regard. Kakashi was actually reaching him. the problem came though in that as Sauske was beginning to think that what Naruto and Kakashi were telling him was a good thing. hed run into an obstacle.

itachi, the soudn 4, orochimaru and so on and so forth. little things which caused him to reevaluate his chocies based on his hate instead of friendship.

thats the true tragedy of Sasuke. the lessons he was learning albeit slowly but learning. were lost each time due to his own insecurities, and in abiltiy to learn the one key lesson that Kakashi was trying to teach him.

which was that vengance would leave him empty. And it has Madara has pushed him in the direction he wants Sasuke to go by simply telling him only mostly the truth and letting Sasukes rage latch onto that truth.

Now hes lost.

[RedDelicious]

he doesnt care about Sakura beyond a teamate, but in that Scene you can see a clear jealousy at the look Sakuras giving Naruto, that fond warm smile.

I viewed that scene differently. On page 7 we see the smile on Sakura's face, as she realizes that she likes the idea of the knucklehead being heroic. On page 8, when we switch to Saskuke's point of view, Sakura is only half in frame. Sasuke is not looking at her (and being jealous of the smile), he is looking past her. Thinking that Naruto did something he couldn't. The clear jealousy is that Naruto has power. This fits with the rest of the panel, where all he can think is "How much more do I need to grow?". (Not "how can I win Sakura's heart?")

[Gravenimage]

I viewed that scene differently. On page 7 we see the smile on Sakura's face, as she realizes that she likes the idea of the knucklehead being heroic. On page 8, when we switch to Saskuke's point of view, Sakura is only half in frame. Sasuke is not looking at her (and being jealous of the smile), he is looking past her. Thinking that Naruto did something he couldn't. The clear jealousy is that Naruto has power. This fits with the rest of the panel, where all he can think is "How much more do I need to grow?". (Not "how can I win Sakura's heart?")

That has been one of the S/S fans most discussable topics of all time. That Sasuke got upset because he was jealous that Sakura was smiling at Naruto for saving her from Gaara when that has been proven WRONG dozens of times. He was jealous all right jealous because Naruto was getting stronger than him he did something that the prodigy of the Uchiha clan couldn't do. Sasuke values pride and honor for his clan very highly the thought of the dead last from the academy becoming stronger than him was an insult and stab to his pride.

[catsi563]

The clear jealousy is that Naruto has power. This fits with the rest of the panel, where all he can think is "How much more do I need to grow?". (Not "how can I win Sakura's heart?")

I agree and that was the intention of my post to clarify it. The source of the jealousy was Sasukes insecuirites and envy and feleing of powerlessness. it had little or nothing to do with Sakuras affections.