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[trang95]

... Was Hide's death in Root A a hint that he is also dead in the manga?

[TouKen4Life3g]

... Was Hide's death in Root A a hint that he is also dead in the manga?

Don't think the AgK situation, ok. Actually, I don't even knkw about everything. Is the story even following the real story? Because I think you shouldn't even think hard. It's like other series that just ended: it ended on its own route. I encountered them many times. In short, don't make sense out of it.

Great, two SP works that make no sense...

[Nar123]

... Was Hide's death in Root A a hint that he is also dead in the manga?

 

It could be

 

*whispers* I believe he is dead but hey...don't tell Ryo! She will kill me

[Decius23]

I can't guarantee it is them but because of circumstance, it's highly likely the most percent of fault belongs to SP. They already ruined the first one (it's not hard to figure it out), so you can only argue that Ishida could gain some percent of fault but SP is still the most. The presentation, the art style (of course Ishida can't tell them to change it, come on), narrative and perhaps even planning. This series was limited, so who to say what wasn't scrapped.

 

Bottom line, people should stop asking for season 3. Ask for brother-kittening-hood.

 

Uhm, no? The larger part of the narrative (you mean how the story is told,right?) is in Ishida's hand, too, that's part of the script. The Director and the second script writers are responsible for 'translating' the larger script into anime-script.

 

When Ishida writes:"Kaneki carries the corpse of Hide to the CCG-CP and sees [insert characters like Marude and other statists]. He ends up in front of Arima. A possible fight is only alluded to."

 

The Director and Co. are the ones responsible for what we've seen at the end of episode 12. I mean we hear the opening of a suitcase but the next scene with Arima doesn't present any evidence of a fight between Kaneki and Arima. We don't even know if they fought...

 

On the other hand i'm fully convinced that Touka only appeared because Ishida never wrote, "Touka makes no appearance"

 

 

Great, two SP works that make no sense...

 

Again, the overarching story is what Ishida wanted. No reason to hate on SP for that, instead of the animation or the smaller 'hows' (like how it's important for Touka to make an appearance).

If Ishida wants a diverging story for the anime then this is what he gets. At least as long as the contract between Ishida, his publisher and SP permits it...

[Nar123]

 

Uhm, no? The larger part of the narrative (you mean how the story is told,right?) is in Ishida's hand, too, that's part of the script. The Director and the second script writers are responsible for 'translating' the larger script into anime-script.

 

When Ishida writes:"Kaneki carries the corpse of Hide to the CCG-CP and sees [insert characters like Marude and other statists]. He ends up in front of Arima. A possible fight is only alluded to."

 

The Director and Co. are the ones responsible for what we've seen at the end of episode 12. I mean we hear the opening of a suitcase but the next scene with Arima doesn't present any evidence of a fight between Kaneki and Arima. We don't even know if they fought...

 

On the other hand i'm fully convinced that Touka only appeared because Ishida never wrote, "Touka makes no appearance"

 

 

 

Again, the overarching story is what Ishida wanted. No reason to hate on SP for that, instead of the animation or the smaller 'hows' (like how it's important for Touka to make an appearance).

If Ishida wants a diverging story for the anime then this is what he gets. At least as long as the contract between Ishida, his publisher and SP permits it...

 

 

You are excusing SP kitten too much 

 

The story wasnt even "an alternate story" it was the same as the manga

 

They just called "Alternate route" because "we are too lazy to adapt properly"

 

basically

 

"the anime is just like a movie trailer compared to the manga"

 

[TouKen4Life3g]

I feel like if he didn't get any limit, he could have turns things around. It has been said that even if you get the script, you can't get a lot out of it. Actually, Kishi somewhat said this for movie wise like showcasing a bit more with K11 but too much time taken. In other words, Root A from what I heard started off promising but 12 episodes isn't Ishida's style. If you read it, you know he's all build, explore, and later execute. Even the introduction is like that. It isn't like "understanding the series in one chapter" usual thing from series, mainly WSJ.

The point is he can have some faults, but he won't be at the highest percent.

[AHK]

Wow, guys, can you calm down? Maybe a little bit? You know that Ishida actually wrote the script for the anime? The only kittenups you can levy on Studio Pierot are maybe the art, animation and minor details...

 

And i haven't heard anything of Ishida doing what SP wants, so it stands to reason that everything that happened in the anime was as Ishida wanted it to be...

He didn't write the script, he provided the outline of the narration. While SP per this episode isn't entirely culpable, if they had done their kittening job in the first place, then we wouldn't be here. This isn't what Ishida wanted, else he wouldn't have had to step in in the first place. SP is at fault because they suck at what they do.  

[Nar123]

Guys, I got thinking here

 

Maybe they will show things like

 

spoiler

Kaneki's pierced head

in the uncensored blu rays.

Maybe they could even add the fight.

 

Who knows, maybe it was cut out by the censorship

[TouKen4Life3g]

He didn't write the script, he provided the outline of the narration. While SP per this episode isn't entirely culpable, if they had done their kittening job in the first place, then we wouldn't be here. This isn't what Ishida wanted, else he wouldn't have had to step in in the first place. SP is at fault because they suck at what they do.  

Oh that's what it is. Great. Now I want to be a ghoul and hunt them.

[Nar123]

He didn't write the script, he provided the outline of the narration. While SP per this episode isn't entirely culpable, if they had done their kittening job in the first place, then we wouldn't be here. This isn't what Ishida wanted, else he wouldn't have had to step in in the first place. SP is at fault because they suck at what they do.  

 

Yeah, the reason Ishida entered the proccess in the first place was because SP screwed season 1 over with how rushed it was

[trang95]

Guys, I got thinking here

 

Maybe they will show things like

 

spoiler

Kaneki's pierced head

in the uncensored blu rays.

Maybe they could even add the fight.

 

Who knows, maybe it was cut out by the censorship

The episode alone is already 24:17 minutes. They couldn't possibly add another fight to it.

[LuckyChi7]

Oh well, let us just support the manga once it is serialized in whatever country everyone is presiding in.

I'm looking forward to June. Definitely gonna go to Barnes and Nobles!!

 

Try pre-ordering it  3-4 weeks ahead of time because you might get it early 3-4 days before the actual release date. That's what happened with me when it came to the latest AoT Volume (#15). I got it about 5 days early at the store, and I'm probably going to do the same with Volume 1 of Tokyo Ghoul. 

[trang95]

 

It could be

 

*whispers* I believe he is dead but hey...don't tell Ryo! She will kill me

You forgot I'm also a Hide fan.

Let's hope Kaneki only took a "bite" of Hide U_U (ok, that sounds really wrong, but you get what I mean).

[trang95]

 

Try pre-ordering it  3-4 weeks ahead of time because you might get it early 3-4 days before the actual release date. That's what happened with me when it came to the latest AoT Volume (#15). I got it about 5 days early at the store, and I'm probably going to do the same with Volume 1 of Tokyo Ghoul. 

Hmm, I might do that! Thanks for telling me.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You forgot I'm also a Hide fan.

Let's hope Kaneki only took a "bite" of Hide U_U (ok, that sounds really wrong, but you get what I mean).

I'm sure he's alive...but maybe not complete.

[trang95]

On the other hand, it's been hinted that Kimi is dead in :re. Eaten by Torso you see.

[trang95]

I'm sure he's alive...but maybe not complete.

There was an interesting post about Hide's blood relatives based on his last name. I'll try to find it.

[Nar123]

The episode alone is already 24:17 minutes. They couldn't possibly add another fight to it.

Dunno, maybe they cut some moments from that Kaneki walk ? 

 

 

You forgot I'm also a Hide fan.

Let's hope Kaneki only took a "bite" of Hide U_U (ok, that sounds really wrong, but you get what I mean).

 

Crap I forgot 

 

*escapes thread before imminent death*

[TouKen4Life3g]

There was an interesting post about Hide's blood relatives based on his last name. I'll try to find it.

I would like to see. But I got to say, Ishida sure is killing us on wondering on some characters. We already got good amount of them, just missing Hide in terms of close bonds.

[Decius23]

 

 

You are excusing SP bullsh** too much 

 

The story wasnt even "an alternate story" it was the same as the manga

 

They just called "Alternate route" because "we are too lazy to adapt properly"

 

basically

 

Maybe because Ishida didn't want to make a 90° turn immediately? There are only very minor differences in Season 1 (if at all, i didn't watch season 1 so much because of too much similar plot) which build up to bigger differences in Season 2 which in turn build up the original Season 3 -which is exactly why i like what Ishida did with the anime adaption. Too much divergence too fast is unrealistic, at least in my opinion. Even if Season 1 was a bit too similar to the manga....

 

And i don't excuse SP "too much". I don't simply blame them for things that aren't in their hand anyway.

 

 

I feel like if he didn't get any limit, he could have turns things around. It has been said that even if you get the script, you can't get a lot out of it. Actually, Kishi somewhat said this for movie wise like showcasing a bit more with K11 but too much time taken. In other words, Root A from what I heard started off promising but 12 episodes isn't Ishida's style. If you read it, you know he's all build, explore, and later execute. Even the introduction is like that. It isn't like "understanding the series in one chapter" usual thing from series, mainly WSJ.

The point is he can have some faults, but he won't be at the highest percent.

 

Yes and that is something we don't know who to blame for, was it Ishida for giving SP the rights for the adaption or his publisher? I don't doubt for even one second that it wouldn't have been better if Madhouse or one of the other studios got the rights but this is what happened.

 

He didn't write the script, he provided the outline of the narration. While SP per this episode isn't entirely culpable, if they had done their kittening job in the first place, then we wouldn't be here. This isn't what Ishida wanted, else he wouldn't have had to step in in the first place. SP is at fault because they suck at what they do.  

Yes, the overarching plot. Including the divergence of Root A, from what i've read on different Internet sites was that Ishida simply wanted to explore a different route. What Ishida didn't like had to be HOW SP handled the divergence points and (maybe) censorship of a few scenes. Instead of writing, "Kaneki brings Hides corpse to the CCG-CP and meets Arima. No fight between them", he has to specify a bit more and maybe even impress upon the responsible ones what exactly he wants.

Edited by Decius23, 27 March 2015 - 01:58 AM.