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[Miiami]

1. NS is the only ship that isn't one-sided

 

2. NS has plot armor

 

3. I already got a confirmation that Naruto will have a family of his own in the movie.

It would be everywhere in the tumblr if something like that was confirmed :s

[Gojira]

It would be everywhere in the tumblr if something like that was confirmed :s

Like I would post that on Tumblr...

[Rakshasa]

When Sakura found out Hinata loves Naruto it looked like she had that jealous look in her face

I`d say it wasn`t jealous, but very painful look.

It was extra serious moment, when she realised it.

[Gojira]

Lol Pepsi don't be so confident... this person could just be telling you what you want to hear.

Unlikely. That would also be a breach of an un-disclosure contract. Arguably a bigger one than giving out spoilers.

[Miiami]

Like I would post that on Tumblr...

And how would you even know?

[Inferno180]

Only proof I need is in the pudding, or the pages (of the manga) for NS to be canon.

 

Its basically, even with 693, you need to look at it like this:

 

even if sakura is still loving sasuke, this doesn't answer how she feels about naruto, and yet we have seen all these moments with her and naruto, despite according to the fandom that NS is just friendship or platonic, then why the heck are Naruto and Sakura getting the moments any reasonable pairing should have while Hinata is just left out and Sasuke just being an all around kitten?

 

Even then, SS fans saying that "everything built up to SS" I am sorry, but what exactly was built? Antagonism? Strife? Anger, frustration, and saddness from Sakura is what it seems if anything.

 

I mean you all know how people say "NS is friendship" or "Platonic" or "A red herring" so then, what the hell does this make SS? Is SS supposed to be love or somehow "mutual" because there is nothing mutual about attempted killings or unleashing a cruel mind strike on someone just pleading to come back and turn back before doing anything evil.

 

No really, if NS is just friendship, it still has SS beaten, because SS isn't even friendship, its just antagonism, strife, and saddness. Its not love, its everything love is not, its the most negative pairing imaginable in the series, and its just, well for SS fans thinking this somehow works for the story as it has been written, well, things are not going to go this way.

 

I mean really, how the heck was 693 positive for SS? I know people were upset with Sakura or Kishis choice of how he did Sakura, but even then, can anyone even think of anything positive for SS in that one instance? Because Sakura still loves Sasuke? Thats really the reason to suspect that SS would go canon? Can't every other pairing claim this?

 

What about the fact of:

 

-Sakura being angry/frustrated aside from being sad on sasukes choice?

 

-Sasuke's action of again calling sakura annoying and putting her in a genjutsu?

 

-Sasuke kittening on Sakura's feelings and saying outright, "he has no interest in her, no reason to love her, and cannot see why she loves him" seriously, sasuke himself asked the best question all non-SS fans have questioned for years, just why does she love him? It certainly has not gotten better over the story, its just sunk lower and lower, while her relation with naruto got better.

 

-Did they forget that even Kakashi said her actions were based on just wanting to save him from darkness like Naruto has been for so long? This was Sakuras only way to her at least in a way to try and attempt this.

 

-Did Naruto's promise mean nothing? This certainly says NS stuff is around, hell this event didn't even impact NS and yet why are SS fans just glossing over this?

 

Its like again, this stuff is not hard, its not complicated, its like the land of iron, sasuke full out attempted to kill sakura at that event, in this one, he outright says he doesn't love her, so now are people again trying to say that this isn't what it is? That its somehow got a "hidden meaning?" No thats just the kind of thing thats too far out there, in fact if this was true, this makes things even more complicated than the whole "Sakura loves Sasuke yet Cares for Naruto but why does she have all the important scenes with naruto, even those that are normally intended for two who may become a couple, even then why the hints like kushina? I don't see why this stuff would go on Sakura if she is related to Kushina, unless there is a reason for all of this, perhaps a foreshadow?

 

I mean did 685 solve anything? No but some fans apparently think it did, and that this somehow still works despite what sasuke just did. So apparently, a love subplot would be fulfilled, by not a pairing with a long gradual and slowly built mutual relationship with plenty of hints, dynamics, and inference, but rather one that has just served no purpose but antagonism, been void of anything positive, had no reason for years that the fans, and even the fillers couldnt expand upon, had the other "no love needed" character even say he doesn't get or want it, done so much negative to the one who loves him (leave her, attempted killings, mental torment of him killing her), had said other character (sakura) constantly be in conflict with this for reasons, we again, do not fully understand, been upset with every bad deed this guy has done, and yet she herself has a good relationship with the hero but they are just going to be friends right? Because apparently sasuke is sasuke, even when he doesn't even matter in the love subplot, he still gets by with nothing, so being a jerk or otherwise SS occurs because Sakura "either simply loved him or just hoped" and then Sasuke gets all warm and fuzzy and his heart grows like the Grinch's spontaneously. All this negativity just doesn't matter right? Sasuke gets a free pass like always, even when it doesn't make a difference to him.

 

So apparently Sasuke can get away with anything, even just being a jerk to destory the world and start a revolution, outright claim to want to kill naruto, the kage, and Sakura should still side and love him in the end like it was nothing? That this all should merit the fruits of a love borne relationship after so much negativity?

 

 

 

Because looking at it, there is no way this makes sense, not now, not in the end of the manga, not in the movie, even with the timeskip. There is no excuse for SS now. Its dead.

 

Hell want to know something funny, you don't even need NS and NH in the story at all, and SS as it is, would still be anything but love. Even if you ignored all the NS and NH stuff, SS on its own would still do absolutely nothing, it wouldn't work at all.

 

 

Fans can act like SS is still there, that this will again apparently just "blow over and do nothing" but it wont cut it like that anymore, to me and most others, SS is nothing but hot air, full of nothingness. Even those chanting that NS was somehow impacted, nothing from this even impacted NS, that stuff is still there, if it wasn't impacted then its still in effect.

 

Even with the part when Minato left, some people said that it was proof 631 was "a joke" or "naruto was put on the spot" but even if that was true, well this certainly doesn't help NH or SS now does it? Hinata never met Minato, it doesn't change who Kushina was likenend too in the past, and it certainly doesn't change Kushinas own history which is just too similar to Sakura regardless. The fact is, we still got kushinas foreshadow and she still was attributed to Sakura, in both past with minato, attitude, early relationships, and directly from Minato himself.

 

At this point, nothing helps SS, even if something was argued against another pairing, SS has nothing and I mean nothing, because if "because Sakura loves Sasuke" is still the only reason, then they are out of ammo, cause any pairing can throw the same shots back at them. NH is out of moves too, the manga is ending, naruto is intent on the promise, he still loves sakura, 615 was their make or break moment and well, it broke. And even like SS, the movie trying to use the timeskip as an excuse is just an asspull.

 

For what its worth, all that unanswered NS stuff is still there, it has a reason that its not entirely impossible to suspect a final NS moment for the manga and otherwise expect it to be canon in the movie, but as far as the manga itself is for the finale right now, NH is done and SS is dead. NH may get a resolution in the movie, but NS is still the only acceptable one. SS can only be friendship for any positive future, but for all purposes, its dead, we don't know why sakura loved him so long, and because its been so void of any reason or positivity, its dead, you cannot build something big out of something that had nothing positive to begin with for so long, espcially when its been an antagonism factor that we have questioned for so long without even an notion of a reason. If SS has no reasons and even with Sasuke saying what he said in 693, well there you go, SS is dead.

 

I mean hell, just imagine if Sakura loved Sasuke for what she thought was the "kinder side" she met in chapter 3, just imagine for a second if she came to love him more for what naruto did so long ago, thinking that she had a place in his heart, and then just imagine the freakout of fans if she discovered it was Naruto who was the kinder sasuke at the time, the one who liked her imperfections, it would be a full circle deal. I mean she cares for him, but it would be a revelation to her for why she always asked why he always locked her out and never gave her that warm reception from the start of the manga, because that sasuke never truly existed, that ideal sasuke, all along was naruto. I mean this is wishful thinking, but if it did happen in the movie, it would be the mother of all meltdowns for those against NS.

[Gojira]

And how would you even know?

direct convos. 

[Hiraishin]

I can't believe after everything Sakura has done for Naruto people STILL say she doesn't care for him at all...just read a comment that says Hinata saving Naruto in the pain arc means a lot, then later one that same commenter says thst the CPR doesn't count as it was only done for "plot purposes" D< *grrr...*

Freaking double standard!

LMAO what? It's completely the other way around. Hinata's confession and "sacrifice" was a plot device to have Naruto rage and release the Kyuubi, so Minato could appear. On the other hand, the CPR was completely unnecessary, as she pumped his heart manually and later she doesn't perform CPR on him again. In fact she didn't need to be by Naruto's side at all; if Kishi wanted to he could have had Gaara take Naruto directly to Minato. It was a deliberate, special Sakura -> Naruto scene, like the one in chapter 43 or something, where Sakura raises her hand during the tenth question for Naruto's sake (which 663 was a callback to).

[Syn11]

Scarves, pregnant women, moon falling, sakura+sasuke+forever, paranoia everywhere... I'm in the mood for some angsty finale! That is how I perceive NS at the moment (emotionally).

 

Sakura about Naruto and Sasuke

Sunless

 

"Without the sun, the moon is never seen", they said.

Should I have asked not knowing what the saying meant?

I reached for phantom rays of Moon instead:

Within those seeking hands cold air was left.

II

"Without the sun, the moon is never seen", they said.

I thought about the words and to the first one went,

Then begged him for my Moon, he promised that.

I basked in smiling warmth which Sun was glad to grant.

III

"Without the sun, the moon is never seen", they said.

Foreboding calm! And I could barely wait…

I feared the worst, caught in my own mind's net,

On shining shoulders, hopes, like stones, I laid.

IV

"Without the sun, the moon is never seen", they said.

I cursed my folly! Had I understood too late?

What Moon? I wished for what he could reflect –

The bridge of sunlight over troubled Lake.

V

"Without the sun, the moon is never seen", I said

My heart cried out the answer and I wept.

My Sun… and Moon, I found both dead…

I'm useless, orphaned Sky, of love bereft.

Edited by Syn11, 09 October 2014 - 07:31 PM.

[Gojira]

@Syn11:

Someone here mentioned how the ending of FMA was rushed but the pairings were still resolved.. how did it go down in that manga? Story ending and pairing wise. Was it done well, simple, terrible? I haven't read it so I wouldn't know.

http://www.mangapand...hapter-108.html

 

Again Naruto epilogue will apparently only have 30 pages compared to this which has 109 pages.

Edited by Pepsi, 09 October 2014 - 07:39 PM.

[六道仙人]

direct convos. 

 

be careful to appear too self assured... You know that guy is really blurry and vague with those replies.

[Gojira]

 

be careful to appear too self assured... You know that guy is really blurry and vague with those replies.

Only with pairings. The family one he was very direct about.

[Syn11]

@Syn11:

Someone here mentioned how the ending of FMA was rushed but the pairings were still resolved.. how did it go down in that manga? Story ending and pairing wise. Was it done well, simple, terrible? I haven't read it so I wouldn't know.

I think that it was swift, yet sweet!

 

http://mangafox.me/m...27/c108/99.html

 

You, see... 5 pages are enough to make a canon couple work!

Edited by Syn11, 09 October 2014 - 07:45 PM.

[六道仙人]

Only with pairings. The family one he was very direct about.

 

yeas, but you have only specified the name of Naruto in that question. Then he replied that Naruto will have a family but, as you haven't specified with who in that question, he didn't replied with whoever he will make a family.
For this reason I say  that he is vague.

[Syn11]

Awww! That's so cute. And they're at a bench Perfect example! And it happened in the last chapter. Hmm 4 weeks. Just 4 weeks!

Maybe, Naruto is going to leave Konoha (in order to find smth or whatever)... and then he confesses to Sakura before his departure!

Edited by Syn11, 09 October 2014 - 07:52 PM.

[Gojira]

 

yeas, but you have only specified the name of Naruto in that question. Then he replied that Naruto will have a family but, as you haven't specified with who in that question, he didn't replied with whoever he will make a family.
For this reason I say  that he is vague.

That's the besides the point. Its clear from the dialogue given with the sketches that its Sakura, Sasuke wasn't mentioned and he did say that Sakura being married will be a core part of the story.

[Gojira]

Maybe, Naruto is going to leave Konoha (in order to find smth or whatever)... and then he confesses to Sakura before his departure!

so basically exactly what happened in FMA

 

who da fuq is smth?

[luffyq1]

Maybe, Naruto is going to leave Konoha (in order to find smth or whatever)... and then he confesses to Sakura before his departure!

but more importantly he has to stop at ichiraku to get one last bite of his fav ramen before he leaves.

[Syn11]

so basically exactly what happened in FMA

 

who da fuq is smth?

It doesn't really matter.

 

 

but more importantly he has to stop at ichiraku to get one last bite of his fav ramen before he leaves.

Definitely.

[Gojira]

It doesn't really matter.

 

Whatever say Owlman