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Posted 26 May 2011 - 05:56 PM

QUOTE (Derock @ May 26 2011, 09:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not necessary. While they do supported the main hero/heroine type, they do love the bad boy types too. Let's face it, every single female (and including the gays) love the bad boy type character.


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Posted 26 May 2011 - 08:39 PM

QUOTE (Kobayashi @ May 26 2011, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok now we know for sure that Sakura is still in love with Sasuke, but on the other hand we have seen growing fondness of hers for Naruto, during whole series. She is hard to get, like every other goal that naruto has set for himself (sasuke, end the war, hatred, be with sakura-chan)but she is worth the trouble. If girl you really really like rejects you
dont lower you tail and go away sulking, and if you know she is worth of your love stick to her and show her how much you are a good guy to be with, no nicy nicy but strong firm guy that has his opinions and goals in his life. I think naruto has that and has shown that to sakura many times, she must come to terms of that. This also shows that Kishimoto will not let go of her love for Sasuke without milking ss pairing to the end to keep ratings up, on the other hand if she would to stop loving him emidiately than everyone would be saying oh she is really ficle as the autumn sky she transfered so easily to Naruto, she is a b****. And really in my inner thoughts it wouldev bugged me all the time, was she really in love with Naruto, or she just transfered from sasuke to naruto when there was no hope left for her and sasuke, cause naruto was a nice guy, bringing her safety etc.

If we look in real life when we see onesided crush where one side that was hurted and rejected goes to other party that is safe, and marries that guy, but always fantasys about that cool guy, and wondering what could be if she was with him. We would not want that Sakura to be with Naruto, cause the Naruto would always be her second choice, that is so wrong. It is nice that Kishi is showing how sakura is little by little growing out of love for sasuke, only to fully accept narutos love, and naruto as a person, who is so much better than sasuke. If sakura were to end with sasuke, i wouldnt think that she is great and smart and strong character that i think now of her, the best manga heroin in my opinion, than she would be just shallow and stereotypical.

On the other hand we see on that panel that she is realising bit by bit how this Sasuke is not the old sasuke, but she still loves him, but she knows it is wrong to be in love with that kind of guy, she strugles, and as many people said she tranfered from girl who is defending sasuke to a girl who understands he is a bad guy, that is great for narusaku development. She still isnt fully aware about her love for naruto. You cant judge her, cause many women who are beaten by their boyfriends of even they have been tried to be murdered, they still think they can help that guy, many sad marriages end up like that, where girl is thinking she can save the guy, and in the end that all ends up in tragedy.

Only when others around are hurt (children) than that person understands that she must move and grow out of that (i think naruto in lifethreatning situation will bring her to those terms)and go away from that guy, to finally realise, is her love really love or infatuation, or attachment to what person was once or completely brainwashed by the guy so she thinks he is all there is, and she must love him until they both die, like faraon would carry his young wifes in tomb to die with him. But as we all remember kishi depicting sakura as strong and determined girl so that also means she is strong in her decisions,strong in thinking who she loves otherwise she would be weak if she should sudennly transfer to naruto without SHE HERSELF realising that she really loves naruto. If her love for Sasuke was this strong and ongoing over nothing, than you could imagine how stronger her love will be for naruto when she realises it. Than nothing could happen that could shatter that kind of strong love, that is based on real situation and friendship, selfsacrificing etc.

So i think this is a buildup that Kishi is making, so called "great love" from sakura to sasuke only to be replaced by stronger love,real love for Naruto. And the moment when sakura will realise how much she loves naruto will be the moment he is about to die,(something similar to ova) or she will think he is dead, then she will realise in full how much she loves him, and who was with her all the time, not just saying those words like she said in conffesion but fully realising and understanding them in her heart cause she realised it in her mind already like shown in conffesion but not in heart yet, you dont know what you have until you loose it, maybe that will be a point where she will be more heroin like and do something about her real love naruto and really help him and save him. Problem she doesnt realises it yet is her overconfidence in naruto, she will have to see naruto is wonruble, and needs her, heck that was what drawn her so fanatically to sasuke.

If she would to transfer from sasuke to naruto so suddenly then she would be weak character but she is not, Kishi is simply trying his best to show her growth from sasukes love to naruto. Cause sakura has a curse of being heroin and main character and she must live up to that, and that is not giving up on her love for sasuke, (she would be like those women that make peace with second best choice and when first obstacle appears quits) only greater love can replace that old love, and i think sakura will realise that greater love and friendship is and always has been between her and naruto. She is happy with naruto, she is herself around him, around sasuke she is fake and artificiall fangirling. If sasuke were to come home and she was with him, she would not be free person she is around naruto, she would be in the shadow of the strong person, not allowing her to develop as a person in full.

It is funny we debated not long ago how it is cliche in american movies but it may come to that, when main characters have a quarrel , or one end up being nearly dead, the other character finds out in his/her heart how much he/she cares for that person, and how he/she was stupid to be in love with cool person how much that love was shallow and how now she realises true love and her fellings. Remember how Sakura, when naruto was fighting never was afraid for his safety she had full confidence in his abilities, what if that confidence was taken away, and she was brought up to real circumstances where naruto cant save her or everybody now, and that everything will not be fine,(you came back and saved eveyone, you always come when most needed = that is her thinking of naruto) i thing that kind of her image of naruto has to be shattered, for the sake of her growth. I remember myself when i was dumped by girl, i wanted her back so badly, i knew she was no good for me, i would repeat that sentence to myself over and over again "im better without her, shes no good for me", but i didnt really belived that, it was what i told everyone else, and my thoughts were just for me. I was in pain, only when i snapped out of it, i realised how lucky i was that i didnt end up with that girl cause we had nothing incommon, and only had pain in that relationship. You can see similarity with sakura and sasuke, my experience tells me it will be NaruSaku.

So i am still giving time to sakura to realise the fact she truly loves naruto, not only in mind. I didnt think it would come to this, but it makes sense, cause you cant beat novel type of romances with realism or how it is done in real life (you grow out of love when you see your shallow reasons for being in love, or shallownes of that person or how that person is bad for you) you must beat it with bigger type of story and bigger type of romantic plot, that makes sense.
NaruSaku was buried so many times before, but when Kishimoto smashes SS they will not know what hit them. Kishimoto knows he must put up ratings, he gets the money from the manga he will not abandon other fandoms because of us or his pairing that he is building. But in the end he will smash SS and he will smash them greatly, but it will be in the end of manga when ratings cant sink down, cause it doesnt matter. He is subtle with narusaku, and he is building it from inside slowly how real love and friendship should look like, so in the end ss will wonder how the heck narusaku happened cause "there were no clues" and they will say he is bad writter, but we will know all the fondness and growth naruto and sakura had for each other throughout the series.


WOW wow.gif you thought this through huh? Well I agree its only that I want something more shall we say official with NaruSaku soon. I personally am itching to see one, and its true that Masashi wants to keep up ratings but I don't think he did it for that No one can really influence on how the story is going and he really isn't doing it for the fans and even he was its going to upset some people so what those said fans should do is just move on and decide whether or not to follow the story still. Another thing, I don't think its an issue that Sakura moved from Sasuke to Naruto, it wasn't an instant change and she now knows she loved the wrong guy for the wrong reasons

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 08:47 PM

QUOTE (Derock @ May 26 2011, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not necessary. While they do supported the main hero/heroine type, they do love the bad boy types too. Let's face it, every single female (and including the gays) love the bad boy type character.


Err, no. That would be like saying every single male likes the giant boobed blonde bimbo.
Oh and I guarantee you lesbians aren't interested in "bad boys" and I don't think gay men would liked being labeled as "female" just because they like men.

I'm a hetrosexual female and I never ever had any liking whatsoever for the broody, domineering, contempteous of females Alpha male: Sasuke, Angel (from BTVS), 3/4 of male superheroes and villains, seme in yaoi (dislike the whiny ukes too)

Most women when they are talking about "bad boy" characters aren't talking about what type you are thinking they mean when they say "bad boy". What is "bad boy" in girls and women's lit are characters who act like: Naruto, Jiraiya, Gambit (from X-men comics), Spike (from BTVS), Han Solo, etc... "Bad Boy" is aluding to the characters having a "naughty" sexual nature, but underneath that a romantic soul- someone who really believes in love and longs for it. It's what 90% of shoujo romantic heroes are as well.
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Posted 26 May 2011 - 09:00 PM

OH really, You are Homosexual ciardha? didn't know that not that its wrong though laugh.gif I think Homophobia is NOT COOL mad.gif Its who you are smile.gif Well anyways It really seems Kishimoto is pulling a fast one here as usual But now that I think about it, its likely Sakura was only thinking of Sasuke because she turned down that minor character and was thinking how Sasuke used to be the target of her affection and didn't think of Naruto because she didn't think she deserved to love him for hurting him like that, and even it it was Sasuke she meant it could be that she was unsure of her feelings for him right now

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 09:04 PM

QUOTE (ciardha @ May 26 2011, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Err, no. That would be like saying every single male likes the giant boobed blonde bimbo.
Oh and I guarantee you lesbians aren't interested in "bad boys" and I don't think gay men would liked being labeled as "female" just because they like men.

I'm a hetrosexual female and I never ever had any liking whatsoever for the broody, domineering, contempteous of females Alpha male: Sasuke, Angel (from BTVS), 3/4 of male superheroes and villains, seme in yaoi (dislike the whiny ukes too)

Most women when they are talking about "bad boy" characters aren't talking about what type you are thinking they mean when they say "bad boy". What is "bad boy" in girls and women's lit are characters who act like: Naruto, Jiraiya, Gambit (from X-men comics), Spike (from BTVS), Han Solo, etc... "Bad Boy" is aluding to the characters having a "naughty" sexual nature, but underneath that a romantic soul- someone who really believes in love and longs for it. It's what 90% of shoujo romantic heroes are as well.


(Ok, maybe I shouldn't say "every, single"... the proper word should be "most").

Of course, most gays and lesbians doesn't like the "bad boy"- looking type but there are a bunch out there that would say otherwise. But in this generation, these people aren't into characters like Spike, Han Solo, etc... (and there is alot of them to list)... they into that "Edward/Jacob/Sasuke/some very handsome with a bad boy appearance/whatever solely based on looks....

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 09:08 PM

How much is Kishimoto influenced by friends family etc. when writing Naruto chapters?
What if all of his friends tell him to make NaruHina come true?
Don't get me wrong I'm devoted to NaruSaku, but I must admit Hinata has the cuteness/shyness bonus (what her fans like about her) but Sakura definitely has the disadvantage 'cause of her indecisiveness and annoyance.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 09:11 PM

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ May 26 2011, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OH really, You are Homosexual ciardha? didn't know that not that its wrong though laugh.gif I think Homophobia is NOT COOL mad.gif Its who you are smile.gif

Ah, she actually said heterosexual ^^;

But anyways, homophobia is wrong so you got that bit right still =p

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 09:40 PM

QUOTE (rastaman @ May 26 2011, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How much is Kishimoto influenced by friends family etc. when writing Naruto chapters?
What if all of his friends tell him to make NaruHina come true?
Don't get me wrong I'm devoted to NaruSaku, but I must admit Hinata has the cuteness/shyness bonus (what her fans like about her) but Sakura definitely has the disadvantage 'cause of her indecisiveness and annoyance.


i remember once Kishi said he gets his inspiration from his childhood
when he was writing Kushina and Minato he said was influenced by his family and dedicated chapter to his wife.
its in one of the manga volumes when Naruto meets his mother.

i fail to see how Hinata has this automatic bonus when shes, doubtful, timid, and the shy personailty its considered a character flaw. plus her confession was selfish. she never saved him just made Narutos situation worse. he could have died.


while Sakura is strong-willed, courageous and determined girl.

Edited by Living Lavish, 26 May 2011 - 09:46 PM.


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Posted 26 May 2011 - 11:09 PM

QUOTE (Sakura Blossoms @ May 26 2011, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ah, she actually said heterosexual ^^;

But anyways, homophobia is wrong so you got that bit right still =p


Oh my bad then well anyways lets just see how this plays out if Kishimoto is going for SS then unfortunately we've been lied to rawr.gif but if it was just a memory of her former feelings for Sasuke then okay and If she truly meant Naruto when she said she likes someone else but just remembered Sasuke for some reason EVEN BETTER woot.gif

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 11:28 PM

To go against NS is to go against logic. And if that happens then I would be massively disappointed with Kishi.

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 12:32 AM

QUOTE (Darth Krypt @ May 26 2011, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To go against NS is to go against logic. And if that happens then I would be massively disappointed with Kishi.

I agree so much, it just seems, like you said logic or second nature that Narusaku will happen.
I hope we get a moment soon, it seems reasonable timing and Sakura hasn't seen Naruto in awhile so who knows, well except kishi tongue.gif

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 12:42 AM

I have this uneasy feeling when I read 450... I can't stop chasing away the fact that NH is starting to gain potential. I like what some ppl posted here though^^ It eased my insecurities a bit.
But what's on my mind...
-Now it's proven that Hinata haven't gotten over Naruto and it will be hard for her to get over him. Would it also be hard for Kishi to get over NH?
-I don't think SS is a threat at all to NS. I mean, it's chances are slim as cows flying over the moon XD
-If Kishi knows that NH is more popular than NS, but wanted NS, shouldnt he give NH no screentime after confession?

PLEASE somebody prove me wrong! ;-; I can't stand the fact of knowing that NH will happen and all the Hinata fans will be saying things like 'victory' or 'canon'. All I have for hope in NaruSaku right now is that OVA and Kushina...

Though I also read somewhere Kishi was annoyed enough of NH fans bashing Sakura and praising Hinata. He publicly stated it.
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Posted 27 May 2011 - 01:39 AM

QUOTE (Ella loves NaruSaku :3 @ May 27 2011, 12:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have this uneasy feeling when I read 450... I can't stop chasing away the fact that NH is starting to gain potential. I like what some ppl posted here though^^ It eased my insecurities a bit.
But what's on my mind...
-Now it's proven that Hinata haven't gotten over Naruto and it will be hard for her to get over him. Would it also be hard for Kishi to get over NH?
-I don't think SS is a threat at all to NS. I mean, it's chances are slim as cows flying over the moon XD
-If Kishi knows that NH is more popular than NS, but wanted NS, shouldnt he give NH no screentime after confession?

PLEASE somebody prove me wrong! ;-; I can't stand the fact of knowing that NH will happen and all the Hinata fans will be saying things like 'victory' or 'canon'. All I have for hope in NaruSaku right now is that OVA and Kushina...

Though I also read somewhere Kishi was annoyed enough of NH fans bashing Sakura and praising Hinata. He publicly stated it.


Sakura blushed when she Saw Naruto of the first time in 2 years

She was worried about him when Chiyo said Jinchurikis die if their biju are extracted

She was crying when Naruto turned into his four tails state

she was telling herself she could not do anything for Naruto when she was healing him

she was watching him training for his Rasenshuriken

She offered to feed him

she hugged him in front of the entire village

better? biggrin.gif

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 02:07 AM

Hasn't Kishimoto compared himself to Naruto before?

And hasn't Sakura been compared to Kishi's wife?

If he's drawing inspiration from his family and friends, well... pictureem0.gif

Also consider the fact that his wife helped him with Kushina's story a lot, so we know the kind of romance that she supports.

Not only that, but look at all of the other canon relationships so far in the series -> MinaKushi, DanTsu, JiraTsu (don't know if you can actually count this one, but it was definitely heavily implied), AsumaKurenai, Shikaku and Yoshino (is that her name??).

He definitely seems to like romantic relationships where the woman is strong and feisty, not submissive, and where the guy is completely devoted to the woman in turn.

The only exception was AsumaKurenai, and that's only because we never even really got to see them together as a couple.

Just some food for thought.

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 02:10 AM

question for the people who can translate: can you tell when something is supposed to be bolded?

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 02:26 AM

QUOTE (pharix @ May 26 2011, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
question for the people who can translate: can you tell when something is supposed to be bolded?

I imagine you'd have to look at the raws to be completely sure.
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Posted 27 May 2011 - 02:28 AM

well I'm not sure if that is true about him and his wife Reflecting Naruto and Sakura but Good Theory though and I hope its true laugh.gif

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#3518 MangaReader

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 02:30 AM

QUOTE (Paptala @ May 27 2011, 02:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hasn't Kishimoto compared himself to Naruto before?

And hasn't Sakura been compared to Kishi's wife?

I don't know for sure about this, but I did read somewhere that Kishi liked stories where the lead male gets the lead female, but has to go through trouble to achieve his goals...

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 02:35 AM

QUOTE (MangaReader @ May 26 2011, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know for sure about this, but I did read somewhere that Kishi liked stories where the lead male gets the lead female, but has to go through trouble to achieve his goals...

Interesting a_plotting.gif

It was Kubo (or another mangaka) that said something about Kishi's wife reminding him of/ resembling Sakura.

Kishi himself said in an early episode in part one I believe that he felt that he was most like Naruto.

In all honesty, I'm pretty sure they're not related comments, but I thought it was a funny and cute coincidence none the less. tongue.gif
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Posted 27 May 2011 - 02:45 AM

^Paptala

Yeah, we can't say this proves NaruSaku 100%, but hey, it's puts smiles back on our faces. And hey, we still have a lot of development from the beginning of Shippuden, what do other pairings have?

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