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Posted 15 August 2012 - 04:07 PM

QUOTE (dovahkiin @ Aug 15 2012, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i'm not going to enter on a fight because of your provocations but she is a support role, i'm not talking she isnt a protagonist or a main heroine i'm talking about her role, just look at their formation sakura is the one who stands behind everyone mostly because she's the medic ninja, she uses her strenght only on last case or when she got an oportunity.
Her best fight she had chyoo-baa who wanst support, and chyo-baa could not take down sasori alone neither sakura so they have to take the lead.


I realized Sakura role in this Manga a long time ago and worse been Kishi Manga since he doesen't support his a female characters in a 1 vs 1 battle, a girl as never won against a name boy, the closes was Mei vs Sasuke where you could notice that he would of get his crap beating very badly by her, apart from that no one not even Konan.

Kishi have never allowed a girl to stand victorious over a Man defeated body.
Kishi not even dedicates himself by making a girl beyond cute but he does do so for the boys.
He always saying something mean about the girls (Sakura/Hinata), will never date one of his female characters, but Shikamaru yes and he have never made a single negative comment about a guy he always encourages or praise the character power.


Whith this I'm saying that it's nice that we all want to see Sakura in a great battle, but we have been reading this manga far too long to not understand that this may never happen, when Kishi eliminated all the Edo's and Sakura didn't fight I accepted her role to support Naruto emotionally and stand by his side, plus when Kishi said the people were saying that Hinata is more heroine than Sakura, he didn't meant by fighting skills he menat by people saying Hinata, always thinking about Naruto to apoint were she risk her life for him and Sakura hasn't down that for him yet, we as NS/Sakura fan may understand Sakura but everyone else doesn't.
Sakura's VA even made a comment by saying that Sakura was only using Naruto's feelings, Kishi didn't agree but he did say that he was going to change that aspect of her, it will make people understand that Sakura is the female lead in this Manga and finaly shut up about Hinata.

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We NaruSaku like many other fans don't think/believe that Sakura doesn't love Sasuke, we question the strength of her feelings for him. It's stated in the databook that Karin join Orichimaru only to be with Sasuke and it's proven that Sakura is loyal to the leaf and believe in Naruto more than anyone else, it's showing that Sakura will go even against Sasuke when it comes to Naruto, in a life and dead situation she values Naruto live over Sasuke's live, we notice that Sakura hasn't made an attempt to go find Sasuke herself.

The Anime Team has made Sakura escape to go find Sasuke and gave her a genuine reason for loving Sasuke also they made Hinata confession the way he should be frond the start, so either Kishi is a very bad Mangaka and doesn't see the error he does in his Manga or he just leave those events that way for a reason and the Anime Team misinterpret the author's intent and lately as been forced to focus more on the NS stuff we are gating lately.

Edited by NS means logic, 15 August 2012 - 04:14 PM.


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Posted 15 August 2012 - 04:22 PM

QUOTE (NS means logic @ Aug 15 2012, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I realized Sakura role in this Manga a long time ago and worse been Kishi Manga since he doesen't support his a female characters in a 1 vs 1 battle, a girl as never won against a name boy, the closes was Mei vs Sasuke where you could notice that he would of get his crap beating very badly by her, apart from that no one not even Konan.

Kishi have never allowed a girl to stand victorious over a Man defeated body.
Kishi not even dedicates himself by making a girl beyond cute but he does do so for the boys.
He always saying something mean about the girls (Sakura/Hinata) will never date one of his female characters, but Shikamaru yes and he have never made a single negative comment about a guy he always encourages or praise the character power.


Whith this I'm saying that it's nice that we all want to see Sakura in a great battle, but we have been reading this manga far too long to not understand that this may never happen, when Kishi eliminated all the Edo's and Sakura didn't fight I accepted her role to support Naruto emotionally and stand by his side, plus when Kishi said the people were saying that Hinata is more heroine than Sakura, he didn't meant by fighting skills he menat by people saying Hinata, always thinking about Naruto to apoint were she risk her life for him and Sakura hasn't down that for him yet, we as NS/Sakura fan may understand Sakura but everyone else doesn't.
Sakura's VA even made a comment by saying that Sakura was only using Naruto's feelings, Kishi didn't agree but he did say that he was going to change that aspect of her, it will make people understand that Sakura is the female lead in this Manga and finaly shut up about Hinata.

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We NaruSaku like many other fans don't think/believe that Sakura doesn't love Sasuke, we question the strength of her feelings for him. It's stated in the databook that Karin join Orichimaru only to be with Sasuke and it's proven that Sakura is loyal to the leaf and believe in Naruto more than anyone else, it's showing that Sakura will go even against Sasuke when it comes to Naruto, in a life and dead situation she values Naruto live over Sasuke's live, we notice that Sakura hasn't made an attempt to go find Sasuke herself.

The Anime Team has made Sakura escape to go find Sasuke and gave her a genuine reason for loving Sasuke also they made Hinata confession the way he should be frond the start, so either Kishi is a very bad Mangaka and doesn't see the error he does in his Manga or he just leave those events that way for a reason and the Anime Team misinterpret the author's intent and lately as been forced to focus more on the NS stuff we are gating lately.


Why would Kishi want to date his own characters? That would be very brain-melting to me. If I create a fictional character I never once think about dating them. I don't think that would be a matter of if you like your characters or not, it's just the very idea of it is just so strange and unusual.

That aside Sakura's role as a support will probably land her the job of healing Naruto after this current battle, assuming of course he actually takes a hit. And I think we all have enough imagination as to what could happen as a result of that... danarusakunp3.gif

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 04:34 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Aug 15 2012, 01:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Great post.

The thing is about Sakura is that Kishi made her as a character who needs to grow up from fantasy. Kishi intentionally made her unlikable at the start because she wasn't even focusing on being a ninja, her likes and dislikes shows it. Naruto needs to grow up, but not in the same level from Sakura. He only has to mature it. Otherwise, his dream to be Hokage is going to be considered "impossible." Kakashi likes his determination, which separates from Sakura and Sasuke. Naruto's ideas and dreams were set on stone in chapter 3. He wants to surpass Sasuke and he wants Sakura's love. Nothing is going to change him ever. He matures it, not change them. Like he won't go from "I'm going to be a Hokage" to "I don't need to be Hokage, because I got acknowledged." Heck, even in the latest chapter reminds us that he's not giving up on ANYTHING.

Sasuke and Sakura is proven to be a hard task for him. Obvious reasons for Sasuke. As for Sakura, he has a crush with her from the beginning; unfortunately, she loves Sasuke. That sounds like a hard task for all of us to do when facing that situation. Naruto is proving that you don't force the girl to like you, you must prove yourself with actions and words. Naruto started off immature by trying to make Sasuke look bad and stealing the kiss. The good side is that he learns that he is in love with her. Again, his action was immature. Now fast forward to the hospital scene. Naruto, if still immature, saw Sakura hugging Sasuke, he would have go mad or comedy routine would happen. Instead, while broken, he left them alone and that shows his maturity. Again, he still loves her, but now, he's matured. The promise of the lifetime shows how much he has matured and how much he loves her so much, that his happiness will be hurt for the sake for her to be happy. Sakura realized that everything she thought of Naruto was completely wrong. At the exact same time, she realized that the man that really cares for her was Naruto. So, without Naruto realizing, their love affection was beginning to come closer. They were not friends thanks to Sakura, then good teammates, then good friends, and lastly, close friends. She knew Naruto went to too much trouble, so she tried to tell him to stop, but Naruto wants to see her smile, so he keeps saying that he will not give up. She saw his damages, so she decided to train to help him to save Sasuke.

Now enter part 2. They're close friends. The new situation that the audience starts questioning themselves is the new Sakura's feelings that she has for Naruto. She started off really happy and asked him about her looks. Sadly, Naruto is dense. The audience wants to know what's up with Sakura. So, enter Sai/Sasuke arc. You have two new characters, Sai and Yamato. They don't know the team at all, but they have a good analysis. Sai, who doesn't know emotion, questions Sakura about her kindness to Naruto. He said it was something that he didn't understand, so people would assume something more than normal kindness. Kyuubi was a test to her feelings, and you can see how much it hurts Sakura. She now see how much Naruto suffers having a beast within him. She was hurt so much, that she ran to him and told him that she will save Sasuke for him. Why do something extremely dangerous? Because her feelings for Naruto was in fact so strong, that it caused her to heart break (noticed her hand clutch near her heart). Yamato saw her action and concluded that her feelings was indeed way beyond than normal friendship. Remember the sequences. She felt helpless again after she found out that she can't even learn the technique that Yamato has. She felt like she let Naruto down once again. Yamato corrected her once he looks at her arm. He concludes that her most important support for Naruto is not whether she can do big or small, but it's her feelings for him. She was shocked yet confused as what does he mean. Yamato chuckled as he seems to figure out her feelings. Sakura doesn't know, so Yamato was going to tell her because he can read her heart. AGAIN, Naruto woke up and interrupt. So yeah, that statement holds the biggest support for Sakura falling in love with Naruto. A lot of her actions involved with Naruto. The problem is that she doesn't know how strong her feelings for Naruto. It doesn't help that Naruto doesn't make a move, so it's like she got to figure it out on her own.

As for Naruto, if people questions his feelings for Sakura being immature and young crush, they are mistaken. Again, Naruto doesn't change, he only mature it or evolve it. Doing them only makes Naruto stronger in bonds. Kishi wants us to remember Naruto's desires/dreams/wish/etc from the beginning of Naruto. He wants us to support Naruto and achieve the so-called impossible. Kishi has a reason to place Sai and Naruto conversation in the later chapters, because after Pain arc, it would seem that Naruto/Sakura relationship has reached the limit of best friends. Now, since we're closing to the end, it's time for them to develop further. Naruto has not once drop his love for Sakura. If people thinks that he wasn't serious, read again. He was always by the end of part 1 or even during Gaara fight. If he was joking, then when Sai asked him if he confessed, Naruto would have act really goofy and it will be all comedy. But no, the only funny part was when Naruto was busted that he loves her. Once Sai asked about his confession, you can tell Naruto is dead serious about her. Unfortunately, he is so tied up with the promise because he felt like he failed her a long time ago. He wants to confess, but he must finish those promises in order to get life back in track. While it is nice, it's sad because what if he dies, he will never tell her his feelings. That's why Sai felt like he needs to tell Sakura because if Naruto dies, then she will never know. Remember, Sai remembers when Naruto was so damaged all because Naruto wants to do alone and keeps the promise. He doesn't know the promise, but he sure damn knows that he was in love with Sakura.

Well, I can go on, but I will stop there. My point is that Naruto's love is a serious affection. Sakura's affection for Naruto is growing more and more and soon, she will realize her feelings for him. If Kishi points out that SS is bad for her, especially in a movie, then you know what he thinks about SS.


Thanks, this was also a great post. For those who don't feel like reading my very long comment, here's a question from me; how many of you guys actually believe the bench scene will become an important factor later in series, if it's ever brought up?

QUOTE (Branden @ Aug 15 2012, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have no doubt narusaku is more popular now, but what we really need is more canon NS interaction.


Amen to that.

QUOTE (NS means logic @ Aug 15 2012, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I realized Sakura role in this Manga a long time ago and worse been Kishi Manga since he doesen't support his a female characters in a 1 vs 1 battle, a girl as never won against a name boy, the closes was Mei vs Sasuke where you could notice that he would of get his crap beating very badly by her, apart from that no one not even Konan.

Kishi have never allowed a girl to stand victorious over a Man defeated body.
Kishi not even dedicates himself by making a girl beyond cute but he does do so for the boys.
He always saying something mean about the girls (Sakura/Hinata), will never date one of his female characters, but Shikamaru yes and he have never made a single negative comment about a guy he always encourages or praise the character power.


Whith this I'm saying that it's nice that we all want to see Sakura in a great battle, but we have been reading this manga far too long to not understand that this may never happen, when Kishi eliminated all the Edo's and Sakura didn't fight I accepted her role to support Naruto emotionally and stand by his side, plus when Kishi said the people were saying that Hinata is more heroine than Sakura, he didn't meant by fighting skills he menat by people saying Hinata, always thinking about Naruto to apoint were she risk her life for him and Sakura hasn't down that for him yet, we as NS/Sakura fan may understand Sakura but everyone else doesn't.
Sakura's VA even made a comment by saying that Sakura was only using Naruto's feelings, Kishi didn't agree but he did say that he was going to change that aspect of her, it will make people understand that Sakura is the female lead in this Manga and finaly shut up about Hinata.

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We NaruSaku like many other fans don't think/believe that Sakura doesn't love Sasuke, we question the strength of her feelings for him. It's stated in the databook that Karin join Orichimaru only to be with Sasuke and it's proven that Sakura is loyal to the leaf and believe in Naruto more than anyone else, it's showing that Sakura will go even against Sasuke when it comes to Naruto, in a life and dead situation she values Naruto live over Sasuke's live, we notice that Sakura hasn't made an attempt to go find Sasuke herself.

The Anime Team has made Sakura escape to go find Sasuke and gave her a genuine reason for loving Sasuke also they made Hinata confession the way he should be frond the start, so either Kishi is a very bad Mangaka and doesn't see the error he does in his Manga or he just leave those events that way for a reason and the Anime Team misinterpret the author's intent and lately as been forced to focus more on the NS stuff we are gating lately.


I never really got the vibe that she was using Naruto's feeling during her confession, but if you think about it........she kind of did. I don't believe that was the author's intent, especially of what you said about that interview, but he still can make mistakes, and portray things in the way he didn't want to.

Also, I know most fans still believe that Sakura was, or still is, in love with Sasuke, but I just wanted to reconfirm that. I also know most of us question the strengths for her feelings for Sasuke, especially compared to Naruto's, which I agree that she cares more about Naruto than Sasuke. BUT, if asking me about her feelings for Sasuke, I think they're still the same, I believe she is still in love with Sasuke.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 04:43 PM

I am almost certain she's still in love with Sasuke. However, I am equally sure that she's in the process of moving on. It's really needed for her character development. After all, selfish 1 sided crushes are never a good thing.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 05:11 PM

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Aug 15 2012, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I never really got the vibe that she was using Naruto's feeling during her confession, but if you think about it........she kind of did. I don't believe that was the author's intent, especially of what you said about that interview, but he still can make mistakes, and portray things in the way he didn't want to.

Also, I know most fans still believe that Sakura was, or still is, in love with Sasuke, but I just wanted to reconfirm that. I also know most of us question the strengths for her feelings for Sasuke, especially compared to Naruto's, which I agree that she cares more about Naruto than Sasuke. BUT, if asking me about her feelings for Sasuke, I think they're still the same, I believe she is still in love with Sasuke.

I do believe she is in love with Sasuke; however, now it's being questioned if this is good for her. It's like I said before, Kage Summit arc was her first in part 2 opportunity to interact with Sasuke alone, and it was a huge negative feedback. He brought her so much sadness in her. It's horrible to watch a innocent girl being torment by a person who she is in love with. Sasuke don't even show any feeling left for her at all. In Sai/Sasuke arc, I don't consider it her first meeting with Sasuke. Okay, they do meet but the interaction is almost non-existence. "Sakura. Where's Kakashi?" and that's all. Kishi is clearly telling us that Sasuke only saw her as a friend in Team 7. When he sees Naruto, it's a individual bond. Sasuke has two bonds: team and Naruto. Sakura meeting Sasuke in Kage Summit Arc was the first time that we got to see her feelings for him in play and the result was negative. In the end, it was Naruto that brought back her happiness again. For some, people would suggest that Sakura should move on to Naruto after seeing the reunion. Again, her feelings for Naruto remains a mystery. It's a tool to keep the suspense high. Usually a girl's true feelings exposed is often a huge deal. I have seen how manga portray it as a shocking moment. Kishi is clearly building upon it.

Let's not forget, Sasuke's bonds in part 2 is all about Naruto. Yeah, he got Team Taka, but for now, it's the team bond that he's getting again. Naruto and Sasuke have best friend/brother's relationship. Remember, this is about Naruto's bonds. Sasuke doesn't react with others the same as Naruto. Yes, he reacted with Kakashi, but it was appropriate because Sasuke wants to talk to him again after the last speech he gave to Sasuke (staying in the team as they lost their loved ones already). When Naruto steps in, they talk like they had a big fight at school and one can't apologize to let the past go.

Sakura's love feelings was finally addressed in Kage Summit arc and it seems that Kishi believed that it's the right time to finally put her emotions in work, because we are nearing the end and Sakura by this point must choose either Naruto or Sasuke. We don't know her feelings until that arc. We just know that somewhere in her heart, Naruto is becoming more than a friend to Sakura. He wants us to be reminded that Naruto's love for Sakura has not disappear, rather he's very matured. The main problem is that his feelings may never be addressed to Sakura because he might get himself killed in the process. Naruto is overworking himself and that's why Sakura felt horrible. He's sacrificing his happiness and possibly life for her to be happy. It's heart warming yet very sad. Naruto and Sakura are close, but the question is, can they be lovers. The most interesting part is the interview. Kishi said Sakura loves Sasuke; HOWEVER, Naruto is close. Why say that? Because he wants us to have hope that Naruto will win her heart. Remember, the reason why her love for Sasuke hasn't changed is because it was finally put to play in Kage Summit arc. Ever since, she is now wondering if that's true love, because true love should have a man being great to her at keeping her smile, care for her, and always be her side. This moment can be played in the later scene. I mean they did recap chapter 3 when Sakura realized Naruto truly cares for her back in part 1. The lover nin line can return later.

Bottom line, Sakura is now in a phase. Will it be addressed in this current arc? Doubt it. Will it have a conclusion? Absolutely. There is no impact that she still loves Sasuke. Her loving Naruto creates an impact because general audience would be shocked to hear her feelings for Naruto, who long to see the day she falls in love with him. I know I will be, regardless of the hints. It's the perfect impact.

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Aug 15 2012, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks, this was also a great post. For those who don't feel like reading my very long comment, here's a question from me; how many of you guys actually believe the bench scene will become an important factor later in series, if it's ever brought up?


I do believe it's the important factor. In fact, that's where I believe where Naruto will confess his feelings. They done it for Sasuke and Sakura and look how that turn out to be. Naruto and Sakura don't have that moment yet and Naruto is the only one left that needs his feelings to be exposed. He keeps it and always feel embarrassed when one person discovers it. Besides, it's obvious in a lot of people's view. Naruto must tell his feelings himself. Sakura may know his feelings, but Naruto doesn't know she knows. Naruto must confess to show how much he loves her and why he loves her. After all, Sakura does feel like she doesn't deserve him after all the hell he put up. It's going to be a great moment. Trust me. As Kishi always say, "Please continue to support the main protagonist, Naruto!"

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 05:42 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Aug 15 2012, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I do believe it's the important factor. In fact, that's where I believe where Naruto will confess his feelings. They done it for Sasuke and Sakura and look how that turn out to be. Naruto and Sakura don't have that moment yet and Naruto is the only one left that needs his feelings to be exposed. He keeps it and always feel embarrassed when one person discovers it. Besides, it's obvious in a lot of people's view. Naruto must tell his feelings himself. Sakura may know his feelings, but Naruto doesn't know she knows. Naruto must confess to show how much he loves her and why he loves her. After all, Sakura does feel like she doesn't deserve him after all the hell he put up. It's going to be a great moment. Trust me. As Kishi always say, "Please continue to support the main protagonist, Naruto!"

true but i think the bench scene will be brought up by sasuke cause who else might say it if sakura tells him about it by telling him the moment of the bench and it's why her feelings went deeper for him and it might be in the confrontation of naruto and sasuke. sasuke can make her realise that it wasn't him by saying it directly to her or indirectly. that's a huge possibility.
and yea kishi will not let it pass cause sakura needs to know biggrin.gif, and there's a reason why he did it from the beginning of the manga and left it for now which it's a way for sakura's real emotions.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 06:37 PM

I say this before and I will say it again, I don't call Sakura feeling for Sasuke real genuine love, there is too much why in that love to start with, first thing people do crazy stuff for the one they love, Sakura say that she will kill for him and she didn't she hesitated, Sakura ask him to take her with her but later she thought that if she could kill Sasuke now everything will be over, Sakura flashback show us that there was no build up on her romantic affection towards Sasuke it went from her fangirling to the thank you scene.
People also forget that since Sakura was 8 she liked Sasuke who falls in love at 8 years old? No one. Her feeling is a strong desire to be with him no matter what she just want to be with him even if he treats her like trash, that isn't love body that's desire and the fact that she have 8 years seeing Sasuke has the only man she wants to be with plu no other man have try to win her heart the right way to make her think about Sasuke vs that man explines way her process of letting go as never been easy, who knows if she spend all her nights wishing for something to happen the following day for Sasuke to finally likes her the same way.

For example lets look on Hinata: Naruto like Sakura right? She is the only girl that Naruto has ever acknowledged as a love interest. Sakura and Naruto has getting closer and closer and she still says that she will hold his hands after the war is over even without Naruto's consent.But fans call him genuine love when she herself said that she was selfish.

Now lets compare Naruto, Sakura told him in his face that he was annoying and she really desire Sasuke's acknowledgement and no one else plus she was very serious about it. What Naruto said later? I finally understand why I like her. Was that love? For me Naruto love start to develop the moment he notice that she really wasn't into him and was willing to sacrifice that feelings just to see her happy with Sasuke, the moment Naruto decided that he will step aside and wish her the best that was when the readers start understanding how strong his feelings and respect for Sakura was.

Now if Sakura was ignoring the Naruto's existence or treated him like trash then try to kill him many times, will we still call Naruto's feelings for Sakura genuine love or obsession?

Again Sakura only sees Sasuke as her love interest and no one else, but her love in not genuine, you cannot call her love genuine when she is not willing to stick by his side. In real life girl kill their own brother for hurting the man they love because the brother is protecting his sister from her abuser lover. Sakura will kill Sasuke if she can avoid him from given Naruto the final blow and she will feel bad for Sasuke if Naruto is giving Sasuke the final blow to stp him. Please try to acknowledge that.

Her platinic love for Naruto is real and genuine the problem is that she never thought of him as a love interest, just looking at her shocked expression in Yamato's speech tells you all what you need to know.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 06:49 PM

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Aug 15 2012, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks, this was also a great post. For those who don't feel like reading my very long comment, here's a question from me; how many of you guys actually believe the bench scene will become an important factor later in series, if it's ever brought up?



Amen to that.



I never really got the vibe that she was using Naruto's feeling during her confession, but if you think about it........she kind of did. I don't believe that was the author's intent, especially of what you said about that interview, but he still can make mistakes, and portray things in the way he didn't want to.

Also, I know most fans still believe that Sakura was, or still is, in love with Sasuke, but I just wanted to reconfirm that. I also know most of us question the strengths for her feelings for Sasuke, especially compared to Naruto's, which I agree that she cares more about Naruto than Sasuke. BUT, if asking me about her feelings for Sasuke, I think they're still the same, I believe she is still in love with Sasuke.


the problem with her confession it's naruto thought that she was saying like this "if u stop chasing sasuke i'm all yours" wich it leads to the interpretation that she was "using" naruto feelings because she kind of did she was trying to use naruto's love towards her to put him on a safe place and stop putting himself in danger later he realizes that she was only thinking on him.
if this plan fails she would try to put an end on this for herself and help him even if he hates her in the end.
she sounded desesperate to me because everything happened too fast and even naruto could not keep up and falls to the ground after talking to gaara he wasnt prepared for this yet.
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Posted 15 August 2012 - 06:53 PM

QUOTE (NS means logic @ Aug 15 2012, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I say this before and I will say it again, I don't call Sakura feeling for Sasuke real genuine love, there is too much why in that love to start with, first thing people do crazy stuff for the one they love, Sakura say that she will kill for him and she didn't she hesitated, Sakura ask him to take her with her but later she thought that if she could kill Sasuke now everything will be over, Sakura flashback show us that there was no build up on her romantic affection towards Sasuke it went from her fangirling to the thank you scene.
People also forget that since Sakura was 8 she liked Sasuke who falls in love at 8 years old? No one. Her feeling is a strong desire to be with him no matter what she just want to be with him even if he treats her like trash, that isn't love body that's desire and the fact that she have 8 years seeing Sasuke has the only man she wants to be with plu no other man have try to win her heart the right way to make her think about Sasuke vs that man explines way her process of letting go as never been easy, who knows if she spend all her nights wishing for something to happen the following day for Sasuke to finally likes her the same way.

For example lets look on Hinata: Naruto like Sakura right? She is the only girl that Naruto has ever acknowledged as a love interest. Sakura and Naruto has getting closer and closer and she still says that she will hold his hands after the war is over even without Naruto's consent.But fans call him genuine love when she herself said that she was selfish.

Now lets compare Naruto, Sakura told him in his face that he was annoying and she really desire Sasuke's acknowledgement and no one else plus she was very serious about it. What Naruto said later? I finally understand why I like her. Was that love? For me Naruto love start to develop the moment he notice that she really wasn't into him and was willing to sacrifice that feelings just to see her happy with Sasuke, the moment Naruto decided that he will step aside and wish her the best that was when the readers start understanding how strong his feelings and respect for Sakura was.

Now if Sakura was ignoring the Naruto's existence or treated him like trash then try to kill him many times, will we still call Naruto's feelings for Sakura genuine love or obsession?

Again Sakura only sees Sasuke as her love interest and no one else, but her love in not genuine, you cannot call her love genuine when she is not willing to stick by his side. In real life girl kill their own brother for hurting the man they love because the brother is protecting his sister from her abuser lover. Sakura will kill Sasuke if she can avoid him from given Naruto the final blow and she will feel bad for Sasuke if Naruto is giving Sasuke the final blow to stp him. Please try to acknowledge that.

Her platinic love for Naruto is real and genuine the problem is that she never thought of him as a love interest, just looking at her shocked expression in Yamato's speech tells you all what you need to know.


I agree with certain things you said. I don't think what Sakura feels for Sasuke is genuine love, I think it's misplaced love. But the problem with what you said is that you said that Sakura only thought of Sasuke as her only love interest, which I agree with......up to the point where Sai tells her that Naruto loves her. Then she confessed to him, which shows that Sakura CAN see Naruto as a potential love interest, and at this point, when compared to Naruto and Sasuke, there is no reason for her to choose Naruto over Sasuke. UNLESS she still does have strong feelings for Sasuke, which goes back to my original theory; that Sakura still loves Sasuke, but it is misplaced love that MAY have been caused by a lie (bench scene).

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 07:47 PM

QUOTE (HalfStarStudios @ Aug 15 2012, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just because i'm a NS shipper doesn't mean i'm a blind Sakura fanboy(not calling anyone one though). Saying that Sakura can't beat all of Team Taka(minus Sasuke) is bashing her? huh.gif

I'm being realistic here, going by what we know about her abilities and her databook stats, she cannot beat all 3 of them at the same time. Not even Hebi Sasuke could do it. Sure, she fought Sasori but you have to remember that she only defeated the 3rd Kazekage puppet because Sasori thought he poisoned her which gave Sakura the chance for an surprise attack. Plus without Chiyo there controlling Sakura, she would have never even gave the Kazekage puppet a chance. She would have died from Hiruko.

Going by her feats and what we know, she doesn't stand a chance against all 3 of them. The only one she could be in a 1v1 in Karin. Juugo tanked a punch from A, his durability is crazy. His CS2 Canon has a crazy AoE, Sakura doesn't have the speed to dodge it. Suigetsu is water, none of Sakuras attacks will hurt him.

Sakura vs Juugo:Juugo would win high difficulty.
Sakura vs Suigetsu:Suigetsu would win mid difficulty.
Sakura vs Karin:Sakura would win easy difficulty.
Sakura vs Juugo,Suigetsu and Karin:Team Taka wins no difficulty.


Sakura's has a better chance of defeating Jugo, Suigetsu and Karin on her own than fighting Sasori. But the fact remains that she defeated the Kazekage puppet on her own.

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Sakura vs Juugo:Juugo would win high difficulty.
Sakura vs Suigetsu:Suigetsu would win mid difficulty.
Sakura vs Karin:Sakura would win easy difficulty.
Sakura vs Juugo,Suigetsu and Karin:Team Taka wins no difficulty.


It's a easy win if Sakura can take out the healer which is Karin.

She will have her struggles against a CS2 Jugo. But Bee was shown that he could over power Jugo's CS2 with brute strength, and I believe Sakura can also do, which is going to leave Suigetsu left. I think Suigetsu will give her a very difficult time because he has the ability to turn his body into water. That is something Sakura will have to figure out on her own. I think most of the time, Suigetsu will act has a defense mechanism for Jugo and Karin, before he even goes on the offensive. And it's no doubt Sakura will be nearly beaten by the time gets Suigetsu to herself. But like i said, Kishi will sneak in Hinata some home to fight Team Taka.

As for my favorite, I have to go with Sakura Vs. Jugo laugh.gif

QUOTE (Branden @ Aug 15 2012, 06:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am almost certain she's still in love with Sasuke. However, I am equally sure that she's in the process of moving on. It's really needed for her character development. After all, selfish 1 sided crushes are never a good thing.


Indeed. Sakura has made it clear that she wants nothing to do with the present Sasuke. She wants the old Sasuke back, which I was able to confirm with one of those SS shippers in a pairing war. The problem with that is that she always tends to think about Sasuke in the past tense, compared to Naruto. Why would she revert to the past when she could built a better man in Sasuke? I even mention that Sakura did not tried to redeemed Sasuke when she had two chances.

But comments from NH and SS shippers, stated that Sakura had no choice because of how far Sasuke has stoop *confused*. How could she not have no choice when Kakashi from the bottom of his heart, as a sensei tried to at least redeem Sasuke one final last time by saying, "I'm going to say this one the last time. Do not let the darkness consume you."

Now the question is, is this really love?

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 08:04 PM

QUOTE (Konoha'sCrimsonFox @ Aug 15 2012, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's a easy win if Sakura can take out the healer which is Karin.

She will have her struggles against a CS2 Jugo. But Bee was shown that he could over power Jugo's CS2 with brute strength, and I believe Sakura can also do, which is going to leave Suigetsu left. I think Suigetsu will give her a very difficult time because he has the ability to turn his body into water. That is something Sakura will have to figure out on her own. I think most of the time, Suigetsu will act has a defense mechanism for Jugo and Karin, before he even goes on the offensive. And it's no doubt Sakura will be nearly beaten by the time gets Suigetsu to herself. But like i said, Kishi will sneak in Hinata some home to fight Team Taka.

As for my favorite, I have to go with Sakura Vs. Jugo laugh.gif[/color]


i think jugo would be an awesome match up with sakura.
i mean no one believed sakura could take sasori even with the help of chiyo >:D and she did it.
sakura K.O'd one of Pain's summons in one shot

i think jugo would be difficult but just cause he turns into the incredible hulk doesnt mean sakura cant take him >:3
1) shes smarter
2) shes the heroine!
3) she can be just as strong!

>:D i wanna see it now! sure she would probably have a very hard time >:3 but its worth it to see her overcome a battle like this even more so if its to help out naruto! *_*

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 08:33 PM

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Aug 15 2012, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree with certain things you said. I don't think what Sakura feels for Sasuke is genuine love, I think it's misplaced love. But the problem with what you said is that you said that Sakura only thought of Sasuke as her only love interest, which I agree with......up to the point where Sai tells her that Naruto loves her. Then she confessed to him, which shows that Sakura CAN see Naruto as a potential love interest, and at this point, when compared to Naruto and Sasuke, there is no reason for her to choose Naruto over Sasuke. UNLESS she still does have strong feelings for Sasuke, which goes back to my original theory; that Sakura still loves Sasuke, but it is misplaced love that MAY have been caused by a lie (bench scene).

I use to think the same way you do with that bench scene, but not anymore. The bench scene will not be the reason why Sakura will choose Naruto, something that I believe she already did. The bench scene will be used to assure Sakura that Naruto was always the right man for her and she glad that she made the right choice.

You also mention something about her confession, her confession was not created because she starts thinking about Naruto in a romantic light, was because of guilt, I mention before that she has feeling for Naruto but she has not thought about them I also gave you Yamato's speech has reference, she was shocked when he told her how strong she feels about Naruto.

With Sasuke is not the same she desire to be with him since she was 8 , is truth that Sasuke never gave her a genuine reason to change her crush to genuine love proven by her flashback plus is not something she can decide to stop from one day to the other, look at Karin he stabbed her and was ready to finish her before Sakura save her and Kishi still imply that she might still have feelings for him.

The moment Naruto, the person who Sakura cares about the most open up to her and she denies his feelings, that will be the only time you can say that she truly loves Sasuke and to be honest at this point I really doubt that she wants to establish a relationship with Sasuke, but very positive that she will love to address her feelings for Naruto at some time.

Edited by NS means logic, 15 August 2012 - 08:34 PM.


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Posted 15 August 2012 - 08:50 PM

QUOTE (Konoha'sCrimsonFox @ Aug 15 2012, 03:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura's has a better chance of defeating Jugo, Suigetsu and Karin on her own than fighting Sasori. But the fact remains that she defeated the Kazekage puppet on her own.



It's a easy win if Sakura can take out the healer which is Karin.

She will have her struggles against a CS2 Jugo. But Bee was shown that he could over power Jugo's CS2 with brute strength, and I believe Sakura can also do, which is going to leave Suigetsu left. I think Suigetsu will give her a very difficult time because he has the ability to turn his body into water. That is something Sakura will have to figure out on her own. I think most of the time, Suigetsu will act has a defense mechanism for Jugo and Karin, before he even goes on the offensive. And it's no doubt Sakura will be nearly beaten by the time gets Suigetsu to herself. But like i said, Kishi will sneak in Hinata some home to fight Team Taka.

As for my favorite, I have to go with Sakura Vs. Jugo laugh.gif


Incorrect, she didn't fight the Kazekage puppet on her own. Chiyo was controlling her for most of the battle. Sakura got the Kazekage puppet in a surprise attack. Now had they fought again, The Kazekage puppet would destroy Sakura.

Not really seeing as Sakura won't be able to damage them. First of all, that wasn't CS2 Juugo. That wasn't even CS1 Juugo. Also you have to remember there's a difference between natural strength and chakra controlled punches. Sakura hasn't shown any natural strength. For example, picking up a huge Rhino(SM Naruto) and Gamabuntas Sword(Tsunade). Sakura does have a stronger punch though, no doubt. Now as for over powering, in a hand to hand combat match, Sakura would win but Juugo doesn't have to only use Hand to Hand. He can just spam his chakra canons when Sakura get's close. Now with Suigetsu there, it won't even be a challenge. She can't handle both of them in a Taijutsu match. Any attack towards Suigetsu will be useless since he's made out of water. Remember what Suigetsu did to Juugo when Juugo punched him? He let Juugo through him and had some water suffocate Juugo. That will exactly happen to Sakura. Sakura has no Raiton(Suigetsus weakness) or an mountain busting explosion type move(Bijuudama) to take out Suigetsu. She will lose horribly. Even with Hinata, they still can't win. Though Hinata will do better against Suigetsu than Sakura because of her Gentle Fist but in the end, she would also lose.

With Sakuras average speed and average Taijutsu skills, I can't see her beating Team Taka together let alone beating them in 1v1(except for Karin). Juugo and Suigetsu tanked a punch from V1 A like it was nothing, do you really think a punch from Sakura is going to hurt them? I love Sakura, but there's no way in hell she's gonna beat them without a powerup.
QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Aug 15 2012, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i think jugo would be difficult but just cause he turns into the incredible hulk doesnt mean sakura cant take him >:3
1) shes smarter
2) shes the heroine!
3) she can be just as strong!

>:D i wanna see it now! sure she would probably have a very hard time >:3 but its worth it to see her overcome a battle like this even more so if its to help out naruto! *_*

1.Shikamaru is smarter than Naruto, does that mean he can beat him? o:
2.So? Does that mean she can beat Madara since she's the heroine?
3.Well she's physically stronger than him. He just outclasses her in speed,ninjutsu and Taijutsu. :/

Edited by HalfStarStudios, 15 August 2012 - 08:53 PM.


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Posted 15 August 2012 - 08:56 PM

QUOTE (HalfStarStudios @ Aug 15 2012, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura got the Kazekage puppet in a surprise attack.


Because she outwitted Sasori....

you have to admit this was her win she lulled Sasori into false confidence thinking she was under the effects of the poison, he was overconfident thinking no one could devise an antidote something he couldn't do easily without his notes but Sakura did without any aid.

She pulled a ninja move and yet you want to give her no credit where credit is due

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 08:59 PM

QUOTE (Verilance @ Aug 15 2012, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because she outwitted Sasori....

you have to admit this was her win she lulled Sasori into false confidence thinking she was under the effects of the poison, he was overconfident thinking no one could devise an antidote something he couldn't do easily without his notes but Sakura did without any aid.

She pulled a ninja move and yet you want to give her no credit where credit is due

I realize this and I give her credit for out smarting Sasori but you have to remember what happened before that. Chiyo was controlling her when she was fighting the Kazekage puppet. Had she been on her own, she would have never gotten the chance to even trick it. He was making it out to seem that Sakura solo'd it. That's my point.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 09:06 PM

QUOTE (HalfStarStudios @ Aug 15 2012, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1.Shikamaru is smarter than Naruto, does that mean he can beat him? o:
2.So? Does that mean she can beat Madara since she's the heroine?
3.Well she's physically stronger than him. He just outclasses her in speed,ninjutsu and Taijutsu. :/


1) they never fought how should I know XD? BUT naruto is stronger all around, he could be stupid in battle and still win
2) nope, but against someone like jugo yea biggrin.gif how can you compare jugo to madara
3) oooooh since when did he outclass her in those things??
since when he is better at taijutsu? since when he is better at ninjutsu?? do you have anything to make me believe that???

just because he seems big an bad doesnt mean sakura cant beat him.
jugo hasnt beaten anyone yet.(if i recal)

its just like neji vs naruto, just cause neji seems like he would win doesnt mean he did.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 09:12 PM

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Aug 15 2012, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1) they never fought how should I know XD? BUT naruto is stronger all around, he could be stupid in battle and still win
2) nope, but against someone like jugo yea biggrin.gif how can you compare jugo to madara
3) oooooh since when did he outclass her in those things??
since when he is better at taijutsu? since when he is better at ninjutsu?? do you have anything to make me believe that???

just because he seems big an bad doesnt mean sakura cant beat him.
jugo hasnt beaten anyone yet.(if i recal)

its just like neji vs naruto, just cause neji seems like he would win doesnt mean he did.

1.I was just being a smartass lol
2.Again being a smartass. xD
3.Manga feats? Juugo has shown to be faster plus he has his CS boost. Sakura doesn't have any offensive ninjutsu while Juugo has freaking canons man! lol Juugos Taijutsu feats have shown to be better plus databook shows that Sakura has pretty avergae Taijutsu skills. Though I would put them as equal.

Muu hasn't beaten anyone yet, does that mean Sakura would beat him? o: Naruto had Kurama in him to open his chakra points back up, Sakura does not have that.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 09:15 PM

QUOTE (HalfStarStudios @ Aug 15 2012, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1.I was just being a smartass lol
2.Again being a smartass. xD
3.Manga feats? Juugo has shown to be faster plus he has his CS boost. Sakura doesn't have any offensive ninjutsu while Juugo has freaking canons man! lol Juugos Taijutsu feats have shown to be better plus databook shows that Sakura has pretty avergae Taijutsu skills. Though I would put them as equal.

Muu hasn't beaten anyone yet, does that mean Sakura would beat him? o: Naruto had Kurama in him to open his chakra points back up, Sakura does not have that.



first i would like to say.... what the heck is CS boost!!?? cant you just say he goes super fast!!!! biggrin.gif


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Posted 15 August 2012 - 09:17 PM

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Aug 15 2012, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
first i would like to say.... what the heck is CS boost!!?? cant you just say he goes super fast!!!! biggrin.gif

Ok. He goes super fast!!!! biggrin.gif

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 09:21 PM

QUOTE (HalfStarStudios @ Aug 15 2012, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok. He goes super fast!!!! biggrin.gif


fine sakura is smarter.

and SINCE shikamaru was shown to take down big guys with his brain (that arent MADARA!! smile.gif )

im sure sakura who is stronger or equal stength(fists) can use her brains to take out rage jugo biggrin.gif

i mean he doesnt seem to smart when hes raging............. mellow.gif

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