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[Nostradamus]

No, I mean the work, not him. His work won't be the same caliber. Time has changed and things are not going to be on his side. Naruto came in the right time.

We shall see.

[Namikaze Clan]

I wonder if his sudden interest in sci fi is the reason for the huge jump in technology between 699 and 700?

[RedFaction]

He needs a good editor that's going to be his guiding hand and will stick with him until the end, unlike Yahagi, otherwise it's guaranteed to fail.

[TouKen4Life3g]

He needs a good editor that's going to be his guiding hand and will stick with him until the end, unlike Yahagi, otherwise it's guaranteed to fail.

Yeah. That or play safe and already established who/what they are, rather than making it complex for something that really isn't. That way it's no war (or very less vocal), no act of downfall, and just tell a story from your mind. Because Naruto kept having problems for the road. The only thing he has in mind is he's going to achieve his dream. Whoopsie do.

[Nostradamus]

I'm actually curious to see what he does on his own without any help or intervention. Not because I'm planning on reading whatever he does but because it would actually show just how much writing he did on "Naruto". Is he a complete idiot that really just can't write and needs other people to do the writing for him or was he really restricted when it came to his previous work.

[Namikaze Clan]

I'm actually curious to see what he does on his own without any help or intervention. Not because I'm planning on reading whatever he does but because it would actually show just how much writing he did on "Naruto". Is he a complete idiot that really just can't write and needs other people to do the writing for him or was he really restricted when it came to his previous work.

Based on Gaiden I'd say it's probably the former.

[RedFaction]

Based on Gaiden I'd say it's probably the former.

After the Gaiden, I'm starting to think this wasn't all planned from the beginning...I'm shocked Kishi would lie about that.

[Legend054]

Seriously  Burito's admiration for Sasuke is what disgusts me the most in here . You would think that he's supposed to admire his father who was an actual hero aspire to be like him , like Naruto was with Minato ( that is if Naruto's character wasn't destroyed in the end ) , but instead  he admires a man who had no morals , made countless of murder attempts on his comrades , broke every Shinobi rule , became a freaking terrorist  who was absolved of every crime he did and in the end was referred as a hero and became a "Sensei" (oh the irony  ) . Just shows you how much this kitten manga isn't about Naruto but the true MC and Hero Sasky Kwoon !!!    . 

Yeah that's why I thought as well. I feel I didn't need to say it just because the series is already fukked as it is now. I couldn't careless what they do with the series. The moment NH & SS happened, is when it all went to hell, so it's not surprising if any more kitten happens from here on out.   

[Nar123]

 

 

It's much more how stupidly fast Naruto "masters" it that gets to me. Even Jiraiya, over years of training, could only get the imperfect form we saw with him, and also still needed Fukasaku and Shima attached to him, yet Naruto far surpasses him in what was most likely barely a month, if not less, and even ditching it before he was finished to face Pein? If the Summoning realm acted like the Hyperbolic Time Chamber of DBZ and the training was far more hellish in one or more ways, I could see it, but the way it was presented? Eh...not really...now if Naruto started the training shortly after leaving with Jiraiya and mastered it (along with other things) over the 2 1/2 years in-between part one and two, that would have been much better, IMO. Again, I blame it on the fact that Kishi just didn't see fit to actually improve Naruto much when part two came along while making almost everyone else way stronger compared to part one, and the enemies being far stronger than that.

Heck, thinking about it now, it makes me wonder if that was also something Kishi took from DBZ, considering it involved a lot of sitting around (meditating or not) and an enemy starts attacking in the middle...sounds a lot like Gohan getting all of his hidden power unlocked by the Elder Kai, which took, IIRC, something like fifteen hours straight of sitting still, and magic, to do and, in the meantime, Buu was attacking, and by the time Gohan is finished and arrives to face him, most of his friends and family are now dead.

 

Okay I understand you but consider some points

 

first, we don't know how many time Jiraya had to learn the sage mode, maybe completing was just impossible for him even if he trained hard?  

 

second, Naruto's sage mode also has blatant weaknesses compared to Jiraya's, Jiraya's sage mode was almost permanent, Naruto had to find a way to work around this since Kurama wouldn't let the grandpa toad fuse with him

 

Though I agree with you that Kishi should've set upo sage mode basics to naruto back in the time skip, but then again, he already admitted the enitrety of part 2 was not planned at all so this is to be expected...

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah that's why I thought as well. I feel I didn't need to say it just because the series is already fukked as it is now. I couldn't careless what they do with the series. The moment NH & SS happened, is when it all went to hell, so it's not surprising if any more kitten happens from here on out.   

 

Nah, it was already horrible even before it. Saying like this would look like the story only got bad because of the pairings which isn't the case

[rocci]

 
I kinda get your point about Kurama ( I did want Naruto to get stronger and not relying so much on the fox) and the lack of progression during his trainign trip with Jiraya
 
But the Sage mode? I don't see a problem, it's something he had to rain to achieve it so honestly I don't see the problem, if anything I thought it was kinda forgotten and brushed off after Naruto learned to control the Kyuubi

Sm is like kaioken, but unlike kaioken kishi combine sm with Kyubi mode to gain all benefit from both mode. So I don't think it get brush off.

Naruto will use Kyubi power because he's a jinchuriki.
I don't think kishi want him to learn any handseal elemental ninjutsu.
But I think naruto should learn fuuinjutsu. It's a strong jutsu that could trap anything including knife, body, soul, eternal flame, or god.
But it will make naruto strong just like give sakura genjutsu will make her strong/useful.

Kyubi mode is like super saiyan.

[Legend054]

 

Nah, it was already horrible even before it. Saying like this would look like the story only got bad because of the pairings which isn't the case

And it is because of the pairings, mainly NH that made the series worse. I can't think of any other reason. It made the series unejoyable for me. IMO there's nothing wrong with shipping NS (including SS, but that's a different matter) because it made sense from the very beginning.

Edited by Legend054, 21 August 2015 - 01:03 AM.

[rocci]

Sm and elemental rasengan should be mention in early part 2.
Naruto should know it from his 2 years traning with jiraiya.

But if that happen, jiraiya sm will not be a surprise and there would be no kakashi training arc.
Kishi could make naruto know it but he still learn it and only able to mastering rasenshuriken with kakashi training and mastering sm with fukasaku.

I have a problem with kage bushin share knowledge. It cheap and lazy way to create a "hyperbolic chamber" so naruto could learn thing faster.

[LuckyChi7]

http://kotaku.com/wh...haps-1725296543

Looks like kishi is doing sci fi for his next manga

 

I guess that's an interesting choice. 

 

Better than Naruto?

Not hard to do. Capture the popularity, well, that could be hard. Looks like he may not do weekly anymore. Also, no Seinen, another Shounen. Let's hope he's more creative than before. By now, he should know what to do. Right?

On second thought, just please get a partner for a writer. You'll do fine, I promise.

 

I think not doing a weekly series "might" be the best thing for Kishi, but we'll have to wait and see when findout what it's about... 

 

He had a lot of time for Gaiden. I don't know. Maybe the world of Naruto is completely messy that it might be the case, but I am still skeptical. His writing never really got improved. I don't know if he will fall into the category of one-trick pony, but we'll see. Many times, first work is your best work.

 

One of my good friends believes that Kishi just got sick of doing Naruto for so long that he just wanted to end it, and didn't want anymore to do with it then he already had to.

 

Not saying i trust his word, but I could defintely tell something was up with Kishi Post-Pain Arc.

 

I'm actually curious to see what he does on his own without any help or intervention. Not because I'm planning on reading whatever he does but because it would actually show just how much writing he did on "Naruto". Is he a complete idiot that really just can't write and needs other people to do the writing for him or was he really restricted when it came to his previous work.

 

I completely agree, I feel like with Naruto the man just wanted to move away from it almost like it didn't matter to him anymore or whatever. I think this new series can/could be a chance to see where he stands as a writer because it has nothing to do as a writer. Now that doesn't mean I've forgiven Kishi after the kitten he pulled with the ending of Naruto and Gaiden, but similar to Gaiden I'm walking into it with an open mind. At this point I still consider Kishi as the kitten writer than he is, and we shall see if that ends up changing for this new series he's gonna do. Most likely it's probably going to suck, but I guess the best thing to is wait for what's to come. 

Edited by LuckyChi7, 21 August 2015 - 01:06 AM.

[Nar123]

And it is because of the pairings, mainly NH that made the series worse. I can't think of any other reason. It made the series unejoyable for me. IMO there's nothing wrong with shipping NS (including SS, but that's a different matter) because it made sense from the very beginning.

 

Of course the pairings are part of the problem but they aren't the only problem, Naruto was already quite bad even before the canon pairings appeared 

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's possible that Kishi gave up on the series a long time ago that he didn't think of it anymore, but it's hard to say. Ever since the editor was revealed to be the guy who did a lot in the background, it's really hard to say what he's capable of. I mean all the way to Search for Itachi Arc, that's pretty far-in. You really don't know if he can handle it. It does sound like he's a guy that he wants his way and not much of being ok. Like not wanting to do weekly at all. Oda is still going and strong, so what made Kishi?

I do think monthly would benefit him more, but it doesn't change the writing all that much, which still leaves questions on what he can do. So whenever that may be, that is a question to keep thinking over.

[Nar123]

Sm and elemental rasengan should be mention in early part 2.
Naruto should know it from his 2 years traning with jiraiya.

But if that happen, jiraiya sm will not be a surprise and there would be no kakashi training arc.
Kishi could make naruto know it but he still learn it and only able to mastering rasenshuriken with kakashi training and mastering sm with fukasaku.

I have a problem with kage bushin share knowledge. It cheap and lazy way to create a "hyperbolic chamber" so naruto could learn thing faster.

 

What Naruto did in the timeskip could've be a secret until a certain point, Naruto and Jiraya could refer to it as "that jutsu" or "that power up " in flashbacks until the reveal in Pein arc, Naruto having a knowledge of the SM and  elemental manipulation would make everything much more fluid and smoother instead of giving of the idea that Naruto just learned only a big rasengan in a 2 years time period and eliminate the necessity of having to use such an OP method ( kage bushin shared experience) to train 

Edited by Nar123, 21 August 2015 - 01:20 AM.

[Nar123]

Sm is like kaioken, but unlike kaioken kishi combine sm with Kyubi mode to gain all benefit from both mode. So I don't think it get brush off.

Naruto will use Kyubi power because he's a jinchuriki.
I don't think kishi want him to learn any handseal elemental ninjutsu.
But I think naruto should learn fuuinjutsu. It's a strong jutsu that could trap anything including knife, body, soul, eternal flame, or god.
But it will make naruto strong just like give sakura genjutsu will make her strong/useful.

Kyubi mode is like super saiyan.

 

Ugh...I don't think comparing Naruto power ups to DBZ power ups work at all

 

I mean, I understand comparing the super saiyan mode with the kyuubi mode, but kaio-ken with sage mode? I don't think they are that much alike, specially because the kaioken is awfully limited and damges the user body while the sage mode's limit is not that much of a bother ( just summon a clone and destroy it to recharge natural chakra ) 

 

I also don't understand why naruto couldn't learn a jutsu with handseal, it would help to make his fights more interesting than clone spam + rasengan spam, I think he should've learned a couple of wind jutsus in the timeskip and then Kishi could upgrade then further in the storyline with stronger versions, etc 

 

I also agree Naruto could've ans should've learned a couple of fuuinjutsu , it would tie in with his Uzumaki heritage and some of these jutsus could be his ultimate trump card if Kishi had some kind of creativity sense

[Legend054]

 

Of course the pairings are part of the problem but they aren't the only problem, Naruto was already quite bad even before the canon pairings appeared 

Well, Naruto was not that bad, it was still enjoyable at least for me at that time before the pairings became canon. There were some minor problems like the SNS final battle, Kaguya, etc.., but it certainly did not make the series worse.  Everything would have turned out okay if only Naruto ended up with Sakura or not getting married with anyone at all.

[rocci]

@nar123
What's "that jutsu"? Is that Kyubi mode, I don't think it's because mode=/=jutsu.
Is kishi drop that jutsu like most of his drop plot point? Possible.

Yes, I agree that naruto should know it from the time he train with jiraiya in two years. I agree with the rest.

@touken
Kishi good thing is his drawing and engaging story. He could make you curious even if the story doesn't make any sense. Why? Because his story is vague as kitten.

Outside of that, kishi is a bad writer and mediocre mangaka, who rely on rip off many work(he's good with that). Could he make a great manga? Maybe yes maybe no, but I really doubt it.

[Nostradamus]

Thing is we don't really know how much of his own work went in "Naruto" in terms of writing I mean, we can only speculate. And that's all we can do.  It's easy for us to blame him for everything because on the cover it says "Masashi Kishimoto". But was it really him or partially him or someone else? This is a question to which we don't have an answer yet.

 

And yet again I have to remind you that I'm not trying to defend him. Because I know some of you might think that I am. But I'm not.

Edited by Nostradamus, 21 August 2015 - 01:33 AM.