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[narusakuotp]

How did you ninja me to this lol

   

[danittebane]

I'm thinking that this is going to be another HIMYM

[natalieuciha]

I will never give up, this has been the year of comebacks, nintendo was thought to be dead and what happened? the true power of nintendo rose in hype train form, Road to ninja made us believe it was over and look what happened? I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THIS, I WON'T GIVE UP!!!!!

nintendo?hahah...i think you meant nindo

[Mokiepuppymaster]

Okay, the one thing that REALLY doesn't make sense to me is why they have whiskers.  Why?  What kind of genetic change did the Kyuubei make that will cause whiskers to be inherited? 

 

My headcanon is that Bolt is Naruto's kid, but Hinata's daughter is NOT and all the kids of the village like to draw Naruto's whiskers on their faces because the Hokage is a cool guy.

 

*vigorous nodding*

Wait, is Naruto even a jinchuuriki anymore? Like, I thought he was just the Caesar Milan to all the Bijuu. 

[Askia31]

Okay, the one thing that REALLY doesn't make sense to me is why they have whiskers.  Why?  What kind of genetic change did the Kyuubei make that will cause whiskers to be inherited? 

 

My headcanon is that Bolt is Naruto's kid, but Hinata's daughter is NOT and all the kids of the village like to draw Naruto's whiskers on their faces because the Hokage is a cool guy.

 

*vigorous nodding*

nice theory/headcanon, Im gonna say its possible.

 

>coming from one of the most negative NS fans

Edited by Askia31, 07 November 2014 - 06:24 AM.

[Qia]

Genjutsu pls. The kids help the older people break out of it, but in the process they disappear. Feels all round. Naruto is saved.

Still doesn't clear up certain plot holes...though it's a sweet thought. 

[Qia]

It's just strange...that we don't get any of the main couples interacting with each other. But nope still not getting my hopes up. I refuse. 

[Mokiepuppymaster]

Ugh... what happened to all the bijuu too. oh my god..

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, which means his kids shouldn't have ANY kyuubi traits, because Kyuubi roams free, but also hangs around, right? Ugh, I'm so confused. It was just that whole scene with the Bijuu reminded of the end of Aladdin when he wishes the genie was free, but he hangs around because he has nothing better to do. 

[Raito]

Never giving up...that is just being ridiculous!

 

This movie is before the events in chapter 700 so yeah SS/NH is truly canon.

 

In the movie they're just going to come up with kitten to destroy NS development in the movie. 

 

That movie will be NH/SS pro.

[applesauceful]

If Kishi was planning the movie for 2 years then it is reasonable to conclude that he knew the ending for a long time. Using the spare time he had from then until now and the fact that 700 doesn't have is structurally flexible and doesn't really have many ties/connections to the chapters before it (I mean, this chapter could've been written 100 chapters ago w/ out the need to change anything), is it really that hard to come up with these chapters and purposefully leak them with the movie designs? Either SJ/SP has the worst security (talking about the movie leaks now) during the time when they should be at their most secure, or it's deliberate. 

[Nyaruto]

you guys are strong, still believe in genjutsu theory, I cant bring myself to have hope 

[Mokiepuppymaster]

If Kishi was planning the movie for 2 years then it is reasonable to conclude that he knew the ending for a long time. Using the spare time he had from then until now and the fact that 700 doesn't have is structurally flexible and doesn't really have many ties/connections to the chapters before it (I mean, this chapter could've been written 100 chapters ago w/ out the need to change anything), is it really that hard to come up with these chapters and purposefully leak them with the movie designs? Either SJ/SP has the worst security (talking about the movie leaks now) during the time when they should be at their most secure, or it's deliberate. 

The cloud...they were leaked from apple's cloud. LOL Instead of Celeb nudes, someone wanted Naruto info. 

[MangaReader]

Needs Kishi's face imo to make it truly perfect

[Dkey]

I'm gonna start writing it today. Hope I'll be over with it by the end of the weekend haha.
It's gonna be pretty damn long!

gogo right your idea/ Don't give up

[applesauceful]

Never giving up...that is just being ridiculous!

 

This movie is before the events in chapter 700 so yeah SS/NH is truly canon.

 

In the movie they're just going to come up with bullsh** to destroy NS development in the movie. 

 

That movie will be NH/SS pro.

 

Yeah it is being ridiculous, I can't dispute that. But I'm going to do it anyway because the Japanese chapters haven't even been released yet. There may be evidence that supports the fact that all of this is horribly true, but not all the evidence has come in yet.

[tatsujin76]

"How can you not think something’s up

 

 

 

But starting with the time frame of the movie, let alone the plot and place in canon - again, I have no idea but the notes, teases and info we have received so far have not been entirely clear from what I can tell. And considering what happened with Road to Ninja the veracity of any of the publicity can’t be counted on until we actually see it. Suffice to say, the time frame of the movie, plot, narrative of the movie might encompass a bit more than we might be thinking. As unlikely as that might be and more than likely is, again, we won’t know until the movie is actually out.

Now, for your second point, this is the first I’ve heard of any “mini-manga” following the lives of the next generation, here assuming next generation means specifically and/or solely the children and families of the rookie nine and the like. All I’ve heard or seen even allegedly confirmed is that Kishimoto is doing “something” beyond the Naruto series out now in that universe featuring those characters. Again, I might be and probably am out of the loop on that but we’ll have to see. Like the film it could encompass more or be bigger than we are anticipating. 

These might have been the final two chapters of this NARUTO series but if Kishi is resolved to continuing something beyond this we might be in for a pleasant surprise.

And as I’ve tried to outline (perhaps not so well as I could have - been a few years since I’ve needed to put my essay writing skills to use ;) ) in the other posts I’ve done the reason I have to think that at least one of these scenarios is pretty much certain is… honestly… just pure logic. 

Kishimoto has spent 15 years on this series and this world, he’s set up these characters, these relationships, plots and sub-plots with all the nuances, parallels, motifs and leitmotifs throughout. And throughout he’s demonstrated that he not only is capable but is actually good at bringing these things full circle, closing them off, giving closure and resolution to them and all that being the case it is not logical to believe that he would really end this thing he’s poured 15 years of blood, sweat and creativity into with two really off chapters short chapters which explain nothing (see the post before this one) and a notion that a single 2 to 2 and a half hour movie will sort all the details and provide a suitable launching point to continue the series in any capacity.

Now many seem to be able and willing to accept and jump on him as if he’s really just that bad of a storyteller and writer but frankly, given the facts that isn’t a logical assumption to me. Of course, I could be wrong and he could have just gotten to the point where he was tired and didn’t care any more and just wanted this thing over and done with but even then, you’d have to expect it would flow with the overall narrative and logic he’s established over the last 15 years. 

Now being that I don’t find any of that to be a logical conclusion… well as Mr. Spock reminds us, “once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.” 

So if the above is not the case. Considering again, all the work Kishi has put into the development of the story and character - specifically naruto and sakura, all of the hinted and impied intentions for them - not just in the narrative but from the mouth of the writer himself, the writer’s stated and recorded from his own mouth and writing intentions and plans to conclusively wrap up the story, answer all questions and resolve all issues (which he obviously hasn’t done with these two chapters as he’s written a film and has plans to continue the series himself in some capacity), and the fact that the 4th databook just came out and paints a very different picture than what we were just shown and above all just the context of what just happened both in literary reality and the world of the story itself - I can’t figure out how or why anyone would logically think this is it.

I can’t logically see how, even if Masashi Kishimoto were the most awful writer in history, he would or even could do something like this and just say that’s a wrap. To me the logic based on the facts make it plain that this isn’t the end of it at all and whatever comes next is going to be the real pay-off. And let’s be real here, this is in no way a precedent - an author finishing one version of his work with a huge cliffhanger, twist, massive mind kitten with your perception and starting on the next version or chapter of it in a new series where it’s resolved, shown for what it was and/or put to rights.

Now, again, I could be completely wrong and just reading into it what I want but come on. Do we really think Kishimoto is that bad a writer? Because, seriously  this isn’t even about just pairings and this silly shipping nonsense, you and others have said and repeated and reiterated yourselves: we’re talking completely unfinished - not just gaping or faulty - actually unfinished and untouched plots, themes, character developments and resolutions, motifs, parallels. Other things the author is literally on multiple records saying he would do that haven’t been done.

If you choose to believe that he’s just that bad a writer to the point that he literally throws not just logic within the story but seemingly his sanity, effort, and talents in reality out of plane over a volcano surrounded by acid and sharks… sharks swimming in the acid… with laser beams attached to their heads… and machine guns mounted on their dorsal fins, well I can’t really help that and that’s of course your jolly good prerogative.

But to me, it just means he’s not finished yet and we still have more to go.

So again, I say keep your backpacks on."

 

I must say, the arguments are very convincing, but it sounds too good to be true. The end of Naruto was announced over 5 weeks ago, and it was said that the manga would have a conclusive ending. Obviously, it wasn't conclusive, but I do think it's the end. The Last is just a convenient way to explain the asspull that occurred from 699 to 700 (not that I don't think 699 is an asspull, mind you).

 

I'm going to be blatantly honest here: all sings point to Naruto being over and 700 being the end of it, whether we like it or not. The most telling thing is the marketing of The Last, which as that post states is not trustworthy, but it is backed by the announcement of the short series following the kids we saw in 700, dubbed by many here as Part 3. I truly admire all the people that believe it's not over yet, but I'm afraid you may be lying to yourselves to not face the crude reality that, yes, 700 is what Kishi wrote as the ending to Naruto and, yes, he f**cked up real good, completely forgot 15 years of development, regressed Sakura to her Part 1 self, made Naruto and Sasuke neglectful parents, paired off all the characters to create new characters so that the series continues, and completely disregarded everything Naruto, the series and the character, stood for.

 

I really hope you're right guys, and that I'm wrong, because everything seems wrong! I feel like I'm in Bizarro World! I really wish, from the bottom of my heart, that you guys are right, but I can't say I'm with you. Right now, I just want to forget the ending, as if Naruto was left incomplete at 698 and the rest was left up to the reader to complete. I just don't want you guys to hit a wall, to be shot down harder than we already have. Kishi was consistent up until 698, but we may never know what happened after that. All the evidence does point to the ending being different than what we got, but it didn't happen. Many characters didn't appear, plot holes were the order of the day, consistency went out the window, and the story was torn asunder. But that's what Kishi gave us, and the only thing we're getting to compensate for that is The Last, which, as I said earlier, seems like it will only try justify the asspull by making NH and SS canon.

 

As I said, I really hope you guys are right and I'm wrong, but the odds are heavily stacked against that possibility.

Edited by tatsujin76, 07 November 2014 - 06:31 AM.

[ultranx]

Never giving up...that is just being ridiculous!

 

This movie is before the events in chapter 700 so yeah SS/NH is truly canon.

 

In the movie they're just going to come up with bullsh** to destroy NS development in the movie. 

 

That movie will be NH/SS pro.

if that does happen at least I tried, I REFUSE TO BELIEVE IT THOUGH AND REFUSE TO GIVE UP!!! THAT'S MY NINDO PASSED DOWN FROM ALL THE GREATEST ANIME HEROES!!! CHARGE!!! TO A BETTER TOMORROW!!! 

Edited by ultranx, 07 November 2014 - 06:33 AM.

[narusaku256]

Yeah, I actually read it.

Something like he made his ending horrible in purpose or something like that. Because editors were giving him kitten to make NH & SS happen.

& that "SUPPOSEDLY" he didn't draw 700.

No...he did draw it. But he made it worse because he was forced to do something he never wanted to. Now...its just a speculation. Unless Kishi says it himself..its all useless. Maybe we'll never know...whether it was on purpose or it was 'just' like that..

[applesauceful]

Aren't they the same though?

 

I'm pretty convinced at this point, honestly. 

 

So is my gut. Which is why I'm going to see this through to the end.

Edited by applesauceful, 07 November 2014 - 06:32 AM.

[NarutoFan0304]

Come on guys, you know darn well this isn't what Kishi was planning. We've got scenes from the War arc like:
-Sakura's fake smile for Sasuke returning.
-When Naruto's dying, Sakura doesn't mention, or even think of Sasuke once. Even when Madara, Obito, and Black Zetsu are all standing in front of her, never once does she think "Wait, if they're all here and Naruto's unconscious, where's Sasuke?".
-Sasuke willing to cut her in half to get to Madara.
-Sasuke calling her useless (again).
-Sasuke saying he couldn't care less if she died.
-Sakura looking sad when Sasuke says it, yet looking like she just got slapped when Naruto started to agree.
-Sasuke not even trying to save her or Kakashi from the lava.
-Sasuke straight out saying "You want me to play at romance? I have no reason to like her and she has no reason to like me.".
-That being followed up by Kakashi saying "Sakura's not trying or wanting to make you her's! She only wants to save you!". Along with his previously statement saying that her feeling were different than before (before being when she confessed she was in love with him back in Part 1).
-Sasuke saying multiple times (both to Naruto and in his own mind) that Naruto is his only friend, the only person he has a bond with, and that if he kills him he'll be all alone.
SS literally couldn't be shown anymore dead than that. And from Naruto we've got:
-Girlfriend comment.
-Saying his love life wasn't going good but he was still trying (yet in 699/700 he completely gives up and doesn't mention it once). Clearly if he loved Hinata he wouldn't be having problems considering she's obsessed with him.
-A recent Databook Kishi worked on that says Naruto still loves Sakura.
Yet in the epilogue NH/SS magically happen out of nowhere. Yet along with that he heavily messes with the characters, makes it seems stupid, and even leaves NS/SK hints:
-Makes ChojixKarui (who have never even been shown to have met or have anything in common) canon just so he can make there weird daughter.
-Make Sai's kid look like some freaky alien.
-Make Naruto's kids (especially the daughter look odd).
-Makes Anko fat (WTH?)
-Has Naruto of all people make his son feel lonely and neglected, and then basically tells him to get over it and suck it up.
-Has most people in the epilogue seem unhappy or depressed.
-Makes Sakura look more like Kushina than ever (makes her the same height and gives her her bangs in "The Last" and even gives her the hair clip in the epilouge).
-Makes SS's kid look like Karin.
Now match all of that up with his interview saying he had to "accept" the ending, that it brought him "sorrowful" feeling, and "Nevertheless, I'm able to speak clearly.".
It seems pretty darn obvious that SP (who are making the movie with him) and whoever the heck is making Part 3 wanted to continue from a NH/SS ending and forced him into it. Yet even so, he still continued to write it the way he wanted to up until 698, and then purposefully made the NH/SS epilogue overly disappointing and ridiculous to show the fans that it's not the way he wanted it to go.
Just to be clear, I'm not one of the people trying to say there's still hope for a NS ending or something like that. I'm simply saying that the NH/SS ending we did get is something Kishi had to "accept" that made him feel disappointed.
What I'm trying to say is that Kishi was pushed or forced into making a NH/SS ending that he didn't like, then purposefully made it overly ridiculous with NS/SK hints in it. From that, logic, and the first 698 chapters of the manga itself make it clear that NS was intended to be end game but was forcibly changed for the ending. Therefore you should consider 699/700 as non canon, consider 698 as the last chapter, and make your own assumption from there based on the manga and that fact that Kishi had to "sorrowfully" "accept" a NH/SS ending and even then made it depressing and added NS/SK hints to it. It's clear that the official ending and the ending Kishi intended are two completely different things.