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[TouKen4Life3g]

Only time will tell for his path. It's just hard for making a convincing argument that he can return with no hassle. I am aware of moral and all, but it must be done right and understandable. Even that guy from FT still gets in prison time because of his previous actions. Can you erase it? Yes. Does it take a long time? Absolutely. A very long time.

[Shadow Wolf]

If Sasuke lives, then he will live in village and do his stuff, also accepting help from Naruto and others. I don't even know where the idea "being wanderer" came from, in no way manga indicates that. Sasuke is my favorite character so I have read many many theories with good manga explanations, so I have only two outcomes. Either he dies and curse of hate disappears, or he lives in Konoha peacefully. But I stick with Sasuke being changed and living in Konoha.

I'm interested in seeing why do you see these two outcomes. However, there's is something which quite doesn't feel right about the second option (living peacefully in Konoha).

 

Normally, I would accept that. However, just like Shikamaru and Shino said, he has done a lot of things and he can't just erase everything he has done so far. Now, normally, if he were to accept this and work on it, then there is a chance that he might return to Konoha after all. But, we saw his response: he doesn't care about what any of them think. So if he doesn't care about what his fellow teammates say, and if he hasn't regretted many of the things he has done, how can we expect that he will be willing to return to Konoha.

 

We could say that here's where Naruto comes in, but I have always wondered what could Naruto truly achieve in Sasuke. WIll he truly be able to make him change completely to the part one Sasuke and with better qualities? It might be possible, but a lot of explanation might be needed for this.

 

Another thing which also leaves me thinking is about Sasuke's role in the village. If he returns, what role will he assume? As far as I've seen, the majority of the K11 will probably have a role or a position to take in the village (For example, I could say that Sakura will be like Shizune, assisting Naruto in his Hokage duties while either Sai or Yamato become the leader of the ANBU. Shikamaru could be in the intel squad taking his father's position, and so on...), so what do you think Sasuke could do to contribute to the village?

 

Anyway, those are some of the thoughts about Sasuke returning to the village. I do support the role of him dying (a redeem/heroic death might fit here), because it opens many doors for different character resolutions (one of them has been described by James S Cassidy quite a few times, in where he sees Sasuke dying and Naruto believe that he failed because "he could not bring back Sasuke". Sakura would also have a role here, since she would be the one to teach Naruto that he did saved Sasuke, even if the outcome was not the one he wanted, so he did not truly fail).

 

Finally, I'm neutral on the "wanderer Sasuke". I could see him creating a new Akatsuki (road to ninja comes to mind, where they would handle situations that could create disruption in the shinobi world), but again, a very long explanation would be needed for this. So I see ups and downs about Sasuke being a wanderer nin.

 

Anyway, long story short, I kinda disagree with him returning to the village, but I'm interested in seeing the reasons as to why you consider this possible. :)

[Canadian_DJ]

I hope it is true but i don't think that Kishi would make NaruSaku canon as soon as chapter 645...

*Barges in*

 

Huh?   what rumor? I've been busy lately and this pops up  ...Ohhhh....i guess its fake..ah ok...but i wouldnt be surprised if narusaku is 100 % confirmed in this volume (although it is, im talking about an over kill) 

 

I've also been doing a lot of narusaku research in the japanese fanbase on the internet (Trust me I've been all over the place  )

And I've gotta say, there's alot of positivity towards sakura's confession, some of who are confused, but i gotta say, kudos to the japanese fanbase, they really are sharp...

Edited by Canadian_DJ, 06 July 2013 - 04:13 PM.

[T XD]

Is there another Uchiha clan somewhere else? I never heard of this, really. Oh yeah Sasuke will definitely drop his goals and just do nothing, yep totally it.

Really? That's news to me.

 

@4Life,

 If Sasuke lives, then he will live in village and do his stuff, also accepting help from Naruto and others. I don't even know where the idea "being wanderer" came from, in no way manga indicates that. Sasuke is my favorite character so I have read many many theories with good manga explanations, so I have only two outcomes.  Either he dies and curse of hate disappears, or he lives in Konoha peacefully. But I stick with Sasuke being changed and living in Konoha.

There's no other Uchiha clan. It's just that if he lives and the idea of restoring his clan still in his head then maybe creating a small village or something. Don't know, anything could happen here.

 

His goals now are to change the system, be Hokage and, probably, the restoring clan thing is still in his head. We know that the first two options won't happen, but the last one doesn't have to stick in his head if he sees that he doesn't have to restore his clan in the end.

Being a wanderer doesn't mean that he has no life. He lived at the end, and because he didn't return to Konoha, he's a wanderer living his life outside the village. The goals that were before are no longer except restoring the clan which it's possible that it will still be a goal for him or not. It's all how the story will go at the end for him which Kishi might pick any option in this part for Sasuke.

 

I'm on the same boat that I want him back to Konoha, but from what I'm seeing in the manga, he'll either die or be a wanderer. Living in Konoha again will have people accepting him again and to redeem completely his mistakes of murdering and other things. If Kishi provided this explanation about Sasuke that he's back by this and that or whatever then that's great XD

Edited by T XD, 06 July 2013 - 04:27 PM.

[Canadian_DJ]

How long? Only 20-30 minutes if I know everything I plan to write, If I wrote for an actual long period of time like 3 or more hours, I would break the website, but the overall reasons are still really short and simple to explain.

Whoa, I'd hate to be a hinata fan and bump into you your great!

I just read your post since I was busy, and gotta say, you nailed everything perfectly-but there's just one problem with it, masashi kishimoto didnt say that hinata would make a better heroine, he said that some fans told him harshly that hinata would make a better heroine *cough*loudhinatafans*cough* but he said that sakura is the heroine and that she's ready to show that side of her too, even though they say "hinata-hinata" all the time.

[Canadian_DJ]

Kishik most likely listens to no fanbase, rather just the feedback for the general story and central plot and a few things here and there, but even still for anything that is argued with "Hinata being a parallel to Minato" well, where is it?
 

 
Seriously, we have a Sakura-Kushina parallel, so now are we waiting for Minato to somehow just look at Hinata and go, she is like me? Don't know who pulled this out but still Kushina never said for Naruto to find a girl like Minato, she said find a girl like her. So now either way, the argument of NH with MK fails, its Sakura towards Kushina and nothing of any importance was ever put forward with any relation of Minato towards Hinata. Seriously even now on the battlefield and before the edo kage release, what is the purpose of Minato and Hinata interacting, any real importance whatsoever? Evidence always beats opinion, sorry it does. 631 was a earth shattering moment for the pairing wars and its effects are still being felt. For years Kushina was held as important and how the Sakura-Kushina parallel is labeled as worthless, wrong, only seeing Sakura's temper, Minato does not know his own son, he will see Hinata later, it was a joke (as all NS is comedy and a red herring to others), Sakura and Naruto are two kushinas so it would not work, Hinata is somehow like Minato (it cannot be both Minato and Kushina to this logic yet some try to play it like it can etc. Too many divides and holes.
 
Even then, when Jiraya, a parallel of Naruto himself, Kakashi, and even the early interaction with Kushina and wanting to be hokage, how much more relation do we need of Minato to Naruto? He almost looks like a direct clone of Minato for christs sake! Naruto has the qualities of both his parents but why is the minato one dominant? Its because the early interacting with Kushina practically played out the same way and there are more sequences of him mimicking his father then advocation to be like Kushina. Personality wise he is similar, but when you have another character acting like the mother, even then when the mother herself freaking says to find someone LIKE HER it stands to reason how clear this is, Kushina is basically giving the parallel title away to another girl by that line, so this would basically in a sense leave the Minato poriton free to dominate. Even then you can call him having both traits making him compatible both ways, if Naruto has Minato and Kushina and Sakura is Kushina, its kinda like a blood type ordeal, higher quaitiy blood can accept lower qualities (like AB can accept A, B, or O) where as O can be the universal donor. Seriously, anyway to argue this, that Minato qualitiy in Naruto gives him more purpose and even then its only empowered by the witnesses like Jiraya, Kakashi, and how the ordeals for others like Jiraya and Obito turned out only further bloaster the Minato side. In other words, Hinata is not a parallel with Minato in anyway, shape, or form, never has and still has not, and most likely never will. All Hinata has in common with Kushina is being kidnapped by the cloud, and that is not something to be proud of.

Yeah it really is pathetic, comes to show how desperate people can be sometimes.

Also, hinata is nothing like minato, hands down, its like conparing sakura to sai. Minato is reserved, smart, really skilled and strong considering he doesnt belong to a clan and has a bright persinality. Hinata is shy, weak, dark and not to mention not smart. If we're gonna go comparing a girl to minato, that would most definitely be sakura. She's smart, extremely skilled and strong considering she doesnt belong to a clan she's reserved even though she's hot tempered, she has a bright personality. Heck this doesnt matter but they even have these same features:- they're eyelids are the same, and their bangs.

Hinata? Who's that?

[bthug]

What do u guys think will happen in manga non NS related....I mean what will happen to Obito and Madara. Do u think they will somehow get the 9 tails out of Naruto or maybe they will succeed the Eye of the Moon plan but then Naruto with the help of everyone manages break out of it and ppl realize how sh*tty living like that actually is

[Miiami]

I'm interested in seeing why do you see these two outcomes. However, there's is something which quite doesn't feel right about the second option (living peacefully in Konoha).

 

Normally, I would accept that. However, just like Shikamaru and Shino said, he has done a lot of things and he can't just erase everything he has done so far. Now, normally, if he were to accept this and work on it, then there is a chance that he might return to Konoha after all. But, we saw his response: he doesn't care about what any of them think. So if he doesn't care about what his fellow teammates say, and if he hasn't regretted many of the things he has done, how can we expect that he will be willing to return to Konoha.

 

We could say that here's where Naruto comes in, but I have always wondered what could Naruto truly achieve in Sasuke. WIll he truly be able to make him change completely to the part one Sasuke and with better qualities? It might be possible, but a lot of explanation might be needed for this.

 

Another thing which also leaves me thinking is about Sasuke's role in the village. If he returns, what role will he assume? As far as I've seen, the majority of the K11 will probably have a role or a position to take in the village (For example, I could say that Sakura will be like Shizune, assisting Naruto in his Hokage duties while either Sai or Yamato become the leader of the ANBU. Shikamaru could be in the intel squad taking his father's position, and so on...), so what do you think Sasuke could do to contribute to the village?

 

Anyway, those are some of the thoughts about Sasuke returning to the village. I do support the role of him dying (a redeem/heroic death might fit here), because it opens many doors for different character resolutions (one of them has been described by James S Cassidy quite a few times, in where he sees Sasuke dying and Naruto believe that he failed because "he could not bring back Sasuke". Sakura would also have a role here, since she would be the one to teach Naruto that he did saved Sasuke, even if the outcome was not the one he wanted, so he did not truly fail).

 

Finally, I'm neutral on the "wanderer Sasuke". I could see him creating a new Akatsuki (road to ninja comes to mind, where they would handle situations that could create disruption in the shinobi world), but again, a very long explanation would be needed for this. So I see ups and downs about Sasuke being a wanderer nin.

 

Anyway, long story short, I kinda disagree with him returning to the village, but I'm interested in seeing the reasons as to why you consider this possible. :)

 I have already explained it. That is the whole point of Naruto breaking curse, Hashirama only changed his mind on protecting village, but Sasuke is still Sasuke, he wants to do things on his own, his own way, which is to why Naruto is going to change Sasuke. If Sasuke doesn't change then Naruto fails to help his friend, if Sasuke dies, but still dies without changing it is a failure. Naruto is bound to break curse of hatred. When Sasuke returns he takes care of Uchiha place, restores it, also there are other things to do.

 

When Madara and Hashirama were cooperating together they achieved peace, which gives us the idea that if Naruto and Sasuke work together they will have peace.

[Inferno180]

One thing I must say, without the parallels, ns has a lot of development, a lot, even the speech sakura gave in 630 and how she advocated to fight to naruto, and many other moments like discovering him to be the jinchurki, the 4 tails, the hug, offering to feed, the poal, there is just too much there to end on nothing.

Another string of contradicting arguments, some argue ns has no development and that the others do despite nothing or hardly anything being shown. Others say ns just resorts to parallels when they create theories doing the same exact thing or also saying the parallels do not exist despite there being a lot of parallels in the series, most just happen to be unparing related. In fact not counting minato and Kushina to naruto and sakura, how many others are there?

There is:
Team 7 to the Sannin this is an easy one
Team 7 to team minato again as team dynamic
Naruto and Sasuke to hashirama and Madara over beliefs
Team 10 to their fathers
Team 10 and asuma to the whole friendship element between the Nara, yakamana, akamichi, under the sarotobi clan
Guy to lee, seriously this is obvious but they are still also their own characters like the rest of the parallels
Neji to his own father especially for their choices to sacrifice themselves.
Sasuke and itachi due to their choices and what they believe in
Naruto and gaara for their childhoods and the separate paths that occurred, you can even count bee and how his was the best out of them.

Seriously, the parallels in naruto are not just on the pairings, more are around as just plot points and backgrounds. Many more exist beyond this and all of these have evidence within the manga. Ns has a lot of development, it always did before Kushina was even mentioned by tsunade in the pain arc, it was there for a long time and that development is still the majority of ns. The parallels do add more and 631 was really just the notion that there can be a lot more brought forward for ns, the one truth that can be confirmed for now over Kushina, her words were spoken back then and the only notion of this is how minato said sakura was like Kushina, even then no one else outside of the uzumaki family has been compared to anyone else in it have they? Can anyone name someone beside sakura who has been compared to either minato or Kushina by another character without counting naruto? No? Then this stands uncontested for now. Even then, 631 cemented itself, it's a foreshadowing element and for all the arguing one could do, I seriously need to ask again the purpose or logic of reatrributing it even when there was no notion of any likeness to hinata in the first place? The longer this relation sticks with sakura, if we just get more with it, it would just look even worse on hinata if it suddenly turned at all, that's not development, that's just rushed attribution. Unlike hinata even then, the similarities of sakura and Kushina have long existed since chapter 500 or so.

Edited by Inferno180, 06 July 2013 - 10:14 PM.

[HauntedCake]

Is it an early chapter? or wednesday release?

[六道仙人]

early chapter because the July 15 is the Marine Day in Japan so  WSJ will be out the early saturday instead of the usual Monday

 

So chapters and spoiler on tuesday.

[TouKen4Life3g]

early chapter because the July 15 is the Marine Day in Japan so  WSJ will be out the early saturday instead of the usual Monday
 
So chapters and spoiler on tuesday.

For the next chapter? Nice.

[Inferno180]

For the next chapter? Nice.

early chapter because the July 15 is the Marine Day in Japan so  WSJ will be out the early saturday instead of the usual Monday
 
So chapters and spoiler on tuesday.

Also means more yays and nays from the fanbase a day earlier too.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Also means more yays and nays from the fanbase a day earlier too.

Yay and nay for potential Sakura returns, to begin with. That said if what I said in the other forum comes true, oh man, many nay in the upcoming future.

[arian_rad]

Yay and nay for potential Sakura returns, to begin with. That said if what I said in the other forum comes true, oh man, many nay in the upcoming future.

Ill just be here waiting for the potential end of Sasusaku. This volume will be big.

[Kakashi-Sensei]

Does early release means no chapter in 2 weeks ?

Edited by Kakashi-Sensei, 07 July 2013 - 12:16 AM.

[Gravenimage]

Does early release means no chapter in 2 weeks ?

 

It doesn't necessary has to. But I guess it will be in one week.

[Verilance]

Does early release means no chapter in 2 weeks ?

No the 15th of July is a holiday in Japan Ocean Day (umi no hi) so the magazine is released early to avoid the National Holiday it is not a double issue so WSJ will come out as expected  Monday July 22

[TouKen4Life3g]

Ill just be here waiting for the potential end of Sasusaku. This volume will be big.

How would you think it will conclude? I feel like Sakura's latest development and this whole Rin thing feels connected in a strange way.

[bthug]

I follow this tool on instagram who just posted a picture of Minato and Kusina with the caption " I love these two", but then their a NH shipper...

 

HOW!?!?!?!?!?!?! It makes no F*ckin sense....sorry its really hot in my house