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[六道仙人]

i agree... and i think that viz did translate properly in that part... And I am sure that takl didn't just mean that with "right now"... also because in the next sentence kakashi says "She only wants to save you."

[DarkRadeon]

Just found that some have translated it as "Now" and some as "Right now".The former is better because "Now Sakura's wish isnt to be yours".The other is "Right now Sakura's wish isnt to be yours" SS is clinging to the latter which does make some sense I think.The former blows away their argument.Which one is correct?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Man, I was writing that LAP until Monday part happened. So in the end...

[Syn11]

Man, I was writing that LAP until Monday part happened. So in the end...

Poor thing. (

Edited by Syn11, 01 October 2014 - 03:09 PM.

[elmas]

Man, I was writing that LAP until Monday part happened. So in the end...

You changed your sig.This sig is beautiful though I'll miss the previous one 

[TouKen4Life3g]

You changed your sig.This sig is beautiful though I'll miss the previous one 

Summer is over. This sig credits to Paptala.

[elmas]

Summer is over. This sig credits to Paptala.

Oh I see.Summer is over...School is back and I'm dead...    

[ns.Believe.It]

Just found that some have translated it as "Now" and some as "Right now".The former is better because "Now Sakura's wish isnt to be yours".The other is "Right now Sakura's wish isnt to be yours" SS is clinging to the latter which does make some sense I think.The former blows away their argument.Which one is correct?

Both mean the same thing. Just adding the word 'right' doesn't change the meaning.

Take for example- 'Now I am typing'.  And - 'Right now I am typing' . There is no difference in meaning.

 

And neither does it imply the action will necessarily change in the future.

 

In this particular case it makes more sense when its interpreted as signifying the change from past. 

Suppose you were a non-vegetarian in the past but now you are a vegan. You say- " Right now, I am a vegetarian " 

Does that mean you will become a non-vegetarian in the future? No.

[六道仙人]

Just found that some have translated it as "Now" and some as "Right now".The former is better because "Now Sakura's wish isnt to be yours".The other is "Right now Sakura's wish isnt to be yours" SS is clinging to the latter which does make some sense I think.The former blows away their argument.Which one is correct?

 

I think that takl's version hasn't so much difference tbh. I wouldn't translate 今 (ima) as "right now" but just simply as "now". I think that VIZ did a good job on that part... Talk's english sometimes isn't perfect (like mine) so maybe he didnt' spread perfectly how he felt in that sentence.....

[narulsaku]

Both mean the same thing. Just adding the word 'right' doesn't change the meaning.
Take for example- 'Now I am typing'.  And - 'Right now I am typing' . There is no difference in meaning.
 
And neither does it imply the action will necessarily change in the future.
 
In this particular case it makes more sense when its interpreted as signifying the change from past. 
Suppose you were a non-vegetarian in the past but now you are a vegan. You say- " Right now, I am a vegetarian " 
Does that mean you will become a non-vegetarian in the future? No.

well the answer spectrum of these kinds of question , i am afraid, lies in uncertainity. U never know what will happen in the future future is always changing.

And i would say that now and right now there might be a difference . Like now sakura's wish isnt to be urs. Its like she doesnt want to be sasukes anymore.
When we use right now it might become
Sakura at tgis moment doesnt want to be of sasuke she want to save him first from the lust of evil. Then after that there might be a chance that her feelings can change.

[Liu bie]

Man, I was writing that LAP until Monday part happened. So in the end...

Do not worry the podcast was enough.

[Hiyuusha]

If Sakura wakes up during the fight i wonder if Kakashi will hit her with some heavy "Kill Sasuke or Naruto dies" stuff.

[luffyq1]

If Sakura wakes up during the fight i wonder if Kakashi will hit her with some heavy "Kill Sasuke or Naruto dies" stuff.

he'll probably tell her to stay put and not to interfere and let naruto handle it. 

[Syn11]

Isn't she a bloody beauty?

 

When Sakura wakes up (hopefully without suffering some fright neurosis), Kakashi will tell her about POAL... and she'll feel even sh*ttier than kitten.

Actually, I don't want Sakura to punch Sasuke. I want her to punch all three males and leave them with their difficult past and bromance. The girl deserves a holiday! 

Edited by Syn11, 01 October 2014 - 03:59 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Do not worry the podcast was enough.

Thanks. That's true.

[Gojira]

The only fake thing was Sakura giving up on Sasuke... Really, is it that hard for people to get?

Honestly I'm with you on this. But what makes it confusing is Kishi trying to explain this through Sai and there are two times when he refers to Sasuke as "The one she loves" You have to admit that's a little confusing after what happened.

[Silent Storm]

if this chapter proved anything, is that SasuSaku at best is stuck in the same place it's always been and will remain there till the very end of the chapter, and at worst, any position they had is now lost completely, with their only hope banking on terrible writing from Kishimoto.

 

The takeaway from this chapter is that Sasuke himself confirmed what every rational manga reader has suspected all this time; that he is not interested in any relationship with Sakura and neither is Sakura.

 

The messaging is pretty clear from Kakashi based on the Viz/Raw translations, and directly follows on from his inner thoughts of Team 7 in 675, when he said Sakura's feelings of love has changed, which suggested at the time the love she held for him is now more on a platonic nature.

 

Unless they're somehow banking on Sasuke suddenly going out of character and reciprocating Sakura's feelings, which is silly because the build up to that has been non-existent.

 

Then there is the laughable attempt at trying to downplay the genjutsu Sasuke cast on as if in some f**cked up way it was an act of mercy and better than knocking her out, forgetting that genjutsu can still physically affect the victim depending on the kind of illusion used. This for instance, saw Sakura experience having her heart crushed by Sasuke, instantly causing her to lose consciousness, so while he didn't actually physically harm her, the nature of the genjutsu (which is without a doubt one of the worst displays of genjutsu we've seen in the manga) will still affect Sakura in a physical and mental way. Knocking her out in 181 was an act of mercy, this was an act of cruelty and unnecessary.

 

So when you try and make the claim that Sasuke is a good guy and the genjutsu rather than actual violence is proof of that, it demonstrates to everyone else that you've not been paying attention to the manga when you take into consideration that nature of this genjutsu was extremely violent and will still leave Sakura physically affected.

 

Infact, that's the only reason SasuSaku even exists as a "viable" pairing. Completely disregarding manga facts and twisting/over-analysing every detail to make your ship look better than it really is. The argument that Sasuke has all along has held this deep, romantic love for Sakura and these acts of rejection is him preventing himself from being hurt again completely contradicts manga evidence which demonstrates that Sasuke has never held a strong bond with Sakura and even Kakashi, something made evident by his apparent heel-face turn when he openly berated both of them, when they were about to get nuked chose to only save Naruto and Juugo, was about to slice Sakura cleanly in half, and didn't even pay attention to her once that attack failed, and then left them both to die in molten lava. Then there is also that fact that whenever Sasuke has ever thought of Sakura, it was always been along with team 7.

 

And then they try and call out NaruSaku for doing exactly what they've been doing since part 2. Incredible.

Edited by Silent Storm, 01 October 2014 - 05:34 PM.

[Alessa]

I said that Sakura's confession to Naruto was fake and I stand firmly on that. I think that any confession that is true in one part and a lie in another is a fake confession. Confession is all about speaking your true feelings. I don't think that Sakura realizes that she loves Naruto and she sure as hell didn't move on from Sasuke at that point. So she lied when she said "I love you" (even though it might be true in her heart, she still believed it was a lie herself) and she lied when she said that she moved on from Sasuke. Thus, fake confession.

Yes, I do admit that the part about Sasuke getting farther and farther away and Naruto being close and warm was true. But it doesn't make the confession true in my book. Sakura had certain reasons to say what she said, those reasons were not to convey her feelings to Naruto, but to achieve a certain goal. I know that it probably wasn't hard for her to confess to Naruto, because she has feelings for him and she probably even admits that she sees this relationship as a possibility. I also do believe that she was honest in her will to help him and to dedicate herself to him and that she was stubborn in her quest to correct her mistakes. I do interpret Kishi's words about her this way.

 

Just my honest opinion. I love NS, but I see what I see.

Edited by Alessa, 01 October 2014 - 06:59 PM.

[Illnevergiveup3]

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[Syn11]

I said that Sakura's confession to Naruto was fake and I stand firmly on that. I think that any confession that is true in one part and a lie in another is a fake confession. Confession is all about speaking your true feelings. I don't think that Sakura realizes that she loves Naruto and she sure as hell didn't move on from Sasuke at that point. So she lied when she said "I love you" (even though it might be true in her heart, she still believed it was a lie herself) and she lied when she said that she moved on from Sasuke. Thus, fake confession.

Yes, I do admit that the part about Sasuke getting farther and farther away and Naruto being close and warm was true. But it doesn't make the confession true in my book. Sakura had certain reasons to say what she said, those reasons were not to convey her feelings to Naruto, but to achieve a certain goal. I know that it probably wasn't hard for her to confess to Naruto, because she has feelings for him and she probably even admits that she sees this relationship as a possibility. I also do believe that she was honest in her will to help him and to dedicate herself to him and that she was stubborn in her quest to correct her mistakes. I do interpret Kishi's words about her this way.

 

Just my honest opinion. I love NS, but I see what I see.

After reading a huge block of text about confessions in the Japanese culture, I'm pretty certain that 90% of them are ambiguous. And really confusing for us (the non-japanese readers). "Fake"/"True", those bipolar categories are just not enough to understand the inner reasoning. We don't possess the same social perspective, so that is why our interpretation is greatly impaired by our cultural background. In other words... a) we need RAWs (choice of words is very important); b) it is necessary to make a complex analysis of the situation (Sakura's POV, Naruto's POV, objective witness POV, author's POV) taking into account the japanese conventions; c) it's a pain in the ass. 

 

For example, Sasuke's famous "thank you", that many SS shippers consider a sign of love or deep affection, can be interpreted (within the said social context) as a polite/mild way of rejection. No hidden meanings, no secret passion, nothing more but a short form to deliver his negative answer: regrettably (let us assume this) Sasuke couldn't accept Sakura's feelings because they weren't mutual. Speaking of romance, nothing really changed between them since that day. The bonds (existing between two people, not just inside one's head) which actually suffered were platonic in their nature.   

Edited by Syn11, 01 October 2014 - 07:36 PM.