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Posted 05 July 2013 - 09:44 PM

Well, SS is hanging on the thread due to Sakura's doubt feelings, so this could be the end. I don't know if there's a chance of never giving up for her if it's not even about that, rather a different story altogether. I don't want to go into detail but also her character is not based on that, rather based on finding the true meaning of living, which now happiness is being tackled on. We'll see.


It was never so strong to begin with considering sasuke never did anything for sakura or has he ever been shown to have a romantic interest. Sasuke leaving seems like something kishi used to develop narusaku. That's why it would not make sense for SasuSaku to happen at this point considering that the romantic subplot kishi created for them is horrible.

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 09:58 PM

It was never so strong to begin with considering sasuke never did anything for sakura or has he ever been shown to have a romantic interest. Sasuke leaving seems like something kishi used to develop narusaku. That's why it would not make sense for SasuSaku to happen at this point considering that the romantic subplot kishi created for them is horrible.

Sasuke doesn't belong in Konoha. There's nothing there for him. Even now he wants to dictate them. He should find his place in the world as a wanderer, possibly with Taka.

 

At least Naruto and Sakura/Hinata live in the same village XD


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 10:45 PM

Sasuke doesn't belong in Konoha. There's nothing there for him. Even now he wants to dictate them. He should find his place in the world as a wanderer, possibly with Taka.
 
At least Naruto and Sakura/Hinata live in the same village XD


That would somewhat go against the I want team 7 to laugh together again. However with sasuke i think it has gone beyond that where people would not let him in the village. I want naruto to save him from the path he is taking and I want sakura to help him with this. As itachi mentioned, minato had kushina to help him along with others. For naruto I am hoping sakura will be there to bring sasuke back. I see sasuke being fully back on the good side and afterwards being a wanderer with taka. I think it would be a good ending for team 7 and naruto would know that he succeeded.

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 10:50 PM

That would somewhat go against the I want team 7 to laugh together again. However with sasuke i think it has gone beyond that where people would not let him in the village. I want naruto to save him from the path he is taking and I want sakura to help him with this. As itachi mentioned, minato had kushina to help him along with others. For naruto I am hoping sakura will be there to bring sasuke back. I see sasuke being fully back on the good side and afterwards being a wanderer with taka. I think it would be a good ending for team 7 and naruto would know that he succeeded.

What would go against Team 7 laughing again? Do they have to be neighbours to laugh?

 

Later on in your post, you suddenly say you can see him being a wanderer. :headscratch:


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 10:54 PM

What would go against Team 7 laughing again? Do they have to be neighbours to laugh?
 
Later on in your post, you suddenly say you can see him being a wanderer. :headscratch:


Naruto always sais that he wants team 7 to laugh together again. With sasuke included. Sorry ill clarify. What I meant is that sasuke being a wanderer at the end would go against team 7 being together again, but the way I see it and what I am hoping is that sasuke does return to the village and at some point decides to be a wanderer because that is the best path for him. I think the whole atmosphere around sasuke would be too awkward for him to be a part of that village again. I'm just hoping someway naruto achieves the goal of team 7 being together again along with sasuke becoming a wanderer at the end. So all in all, I want both scenarios to happen. Sorry I can't seem to explain myself that well.

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 10:58 PM

All I want is Sasuke accept that he is Team 7 and forever will be one. He is in state of ex-member, but I believe if he accept as one, it doesn't matter if he's far from Konoha, he is still a member. It seems like Naruto is learning more and more that there are more ways that people will stay relevant to them, such as heart. I just it's realistic on how the whole thing but this way is satisfying and less bs than just go back with open arm.

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 11:01 PM

All I want is Sasuke accept that he is Team 7 and forever will be one. He is in state of ex-member, but I believe if he accept as one, it doesn't matter if he's far from Konoha, he is still a member. It seems like Naruto is learning more and more that there are more ways that people will stay relevant to them, such as heart. I just it's realistic on how the whole thing but this way is satisfying and less bs than just go back with open arm.


You know... That could work. I like the way you look at that. thanks that somewhat clarified things even more.

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 11:07 PM

You know... That could work. I like the way you look at that. thanks that somewhat clarified things even more.

You're welcome. I don't even know what can he do in Konoha. Sasuke seems like he can end up as a guardian, rather than a ruler, which clearly he doesn't have the right mindset. Madara and Hashirama could have protect the nation if they cooperate, even after Hashirama became Hokage, but Madara lost his mind after it. That said if Sasuke wants to keep the world safe, it will be better for him to look after, rather than be a leader, which he doesn't have those class. He's a fighter, not a peacemaker.

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 11:13 PM

If Sasuke were to stay in Konoha, the ANBU would be a place for him.

 

The fanfics really appeal to me. :sweatdrop:


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 11:24 PM

Sasuke doesn't belong in Konoha. There's nothing there for him. Even now he wants to dictate them. He should find his place in the world as a wanderer, possibly with Taka.
 
At least Naruto and Sakura/Hinata live in the same village XD


Do you think Sasuke should be allowed to keep or wear a Konoha headband as a symbol of his origins? Or would that be unsuitable since he would have technically never reestablished any political or civic ties to Konoha? Naruto still possesses the headband that he carved his finger across during their battle in P1. It would be interesting to see Sasuke traveling throughout the world with his group, acting as a philanthropic team of mercenaries looking to bring justice and stability to the world, with a headband that has the carving left by Naruto.

The aggressiveness and resentment in Sasuke's heart will have likely been soothed thanks to Naruto's influence and inadvertently his relations with Konoha should stabilize. Having that crossed insignia fastened to his forehead would be an ironic twist. Someone who bears the indications of betrayal and deceit ensuring the happiness of others whilst fighting for the honour of his brother and Naruto's ideals or the Will of Fire. In that regard Sasuke would become a quasi-Itachi.

It also coincides with what Suigetsu stated all those chapters ago about Sasuke being a man who would one day bring peace and stability to the world. Could that be foreshadowing of an eventual role as a repentent wanderer? As Danzo referred to it, Naruto would act as the "leaves that grow in the sun" whilst Sasuke would become the "roots within the darkness". Both would represent the dualistic natures of the Younger and Older Sons' respective ideals except they would have done the impossible by carrying out what the Sage desired which was for his descendants to work together to bring peace to the world.

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 02:17 AM

As I see it, 631 was a major point for ns, no questions asked, the whole foreshadow began with Kushina, it came again with minato towards sakura seeing Kushina in her. These things are written for a reason. Sasusaku, it's obviously got the main problem with how negative it's been on sakura and how one sided it has remained, it's been the primary source of dramatic struggle for sakura since the end of part 1. As I see it the importance of sasusaku this whole time has been dramatic material for sakura and naruto and the strain on both of them, for sakura it's being caught between the actions of the two, for naruto it's trying to fulfill the promise and her happiness. What seems to be a realistic outcome IMO though is that, it's the struggle of sasusaku that ends and gives both naruto and sakura newfound strentgth, aka SS leads to ns because of the development. It's one part they overcome the struggle of Sasuke together but also gain that happiness and acceptance of each other. Basically for naruto trying to fulfill Sakura's happiness, it's not unreal to think that he himself becomes her happiness. As for nh, it remains unclear what hinata herself will do and is an issue for stuff like naruto still proclaiming sakura as his gf and still loving her if nh wanted to even become canon. The biggest issues with nh are still just that, lack of screentime, development, consistency, and even correlation with the main plot involving Sasuke. Nh mainly happened on the side, it's one thing for it to develop even in minor points but does not help when it just occurs once every 50 plus chapters and there is still more just focusing on ns.

Even with 615 and now stuff like 631 and 635 just bolstering ns and shaking up SS and leaving nh up in the air, ns still has all the matter las laid out, not even needing the parallels but even the. The sakura Kushina ordeal just gives much more reason for it, it's not a moment the sakura Kushina thing as mentioned before, it's a foreshadow element and it means something, its written for a reason, even then for those that do not believe it, it's simply the only thing word for word building on kushinas own words with minato and the whole she is like Kushina etc, its simply Kishi telling the reader, that perhaps there is some stuff similar thing between sakura and Kushina, perhaps Kushina is that girl. Even there is no use trying to fabricate things like Kushina Kushina relations not working or hinata being like either hinata or minato if we never even get a notion of her being like others. It's undeniable proof that naruto has been compared to both his parents and sakura to Kushina, even then naruto being like both his parents, his minato ness works with Sakura's kushinaness. Even then the minato poriton is dominant though due to so many other reasons we all know by now.

Nh has too many problems, still, hinata cannot just get a free pass and even then, where is the notion of narutos feelings being romantic, or when did he exactly start loving her? Just too many issues, if nh wanted to occur logically at this point, it would be hard, only one arc left and even then you cannot make a whole love story in the end in a short bunch of chapters out of nearly no reason. Nh can only occur reasonably if sakura were to be independent, SS is out of the question just because it would harm Sakura's development and put Sasuke ooc. Nh either happens alone or not at all. At this point, it has too many issues, there is just too much stacked against it, remember writing is like a contract, what an author writes, it's in a way the binding contract of what they can do with their story. Because Kishi chose to use sakura towards Kushina, it means something. Obviously there is a focus right now, to change that means things become unusual. Furthermore what reason would there be to have minato suddenly associate a likeness of himself to hinata when nothing has been done before? There have been many many attributes of naruto and sakura towards other characters, but none for hinata. In the case of ns the minato one in naruto and sakura one in Kushina, yea that is a big factor but even then the development of ns still serves the most important parts, advancement and mutual growth off and for each other.

Just a side question, for what reasons do some of you think minato is considered the domaint parallel trait in naruto? For many reasons I think, it's the whole aspect of what naruto does and who he is, not the personality or how he acts.

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 09:34 AM

I agree with 4life. Sasuke doesn't have to return to Konoha for Team 7 to be together again. If he'll still be alive by the end, I think he'll tell that he's always a part of Team 7 or something, but he won't return to Konoha. He'll be with Taka, wanderers.

 

I want Sasuke to be back to Konoha, but the way it seems in the story, he won't return.

 

Hopefully, Kishi won't kill Sasuke in the end if he ever decided to go with that.


Edited by T XD, 06 July 2013 - 09:35 AM.


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 12:40 PM

Sasuke has to return to Konoha, that is the main point, bringing Sasuke back. Sasuke wants to restore his clan, how will he do that by travelling around? He will want to recreate Uchiha clan in Konoha, also if he does not intend to come back to Konoha, what's the point of him wanting to be Hokage and changing rules? If he can't become hokage you think he'll just drop idea and just start to travel, what... If they want peace Sasuke and Naruto will have to cooperate, this is what story so far told us, this is the meaning behind Hashirama's flashback.


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 12:45 PM

Sasuke has to return to Konoha, that is the main point, bringing Sasuke back. Sasuke wants to restore his clan, how will he do that by travelling around? He will want to recreate Uchiha clan in Konoha, also if he does not intend to come back to Konoha, what's the point of him wanting to be Hokage and changing rules? If he can't become hokage you think he'll just drop idea and just start to travel, what... If they want peace Sasuke and Naruto will have to cooperate, this is what story so far told us, this is the meaning behind Hashirama's flashback.

Well the problem is that he believes he's the only one that can change the future. That said wouldn't it be ok if he can trust Naruto to do it for him as he can handle the restoration of Uchiha clan and probably build a better security. That's the main problem. He doesn't trust anyone nor care and that's not good. Itachi pretty much knows what it takes to be one. Hashirama and Madara could have work if Madara just kept his cool and move on to work with Hashirama, but he abandoned it. If Sasuke believe in Naruto, then he acknowledges him, which Naruto has waited for a long time.

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 12:52 PM

Well the problem is that he believes he's the only one that can change the future. That said wouldn't it be ok if he can trust Naruto to do it for him as he can handle the restoration of Uchiha clan and probably build a better security. That's the main problem. He doesn't trust anyone nor care and that's not good. Itachi pretty much knows what it takes to be one. Hashirama and Madara could have work if Madara just kept his cool and move on to work with Hashirama, but he abandoned it. If Sasuke believe in Naruto, then he acknowledges him, which Naruto has waited for a long time.

COOPERATING = Working together = Trusting each other.Sasuke is like that now because that's the point of Naruto breaking the curse, he will need to make Sasuke to trust others and work together. If you leave Sasuke like he is now nothing will change and in the end it means Naruto failed.

 

Remember what Itachi said? you can't do it all alone.


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 01:08 PM

COOPERATING = Working together = Trusting each other.Sasuke is like that now because that's the point of Naruto breaking the curse, he will need to make Sasuke to trust others and work together. If you leave Sasuke like he is now nothing will change and in the end it means Naruto failed.
 
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Pretty much. Just remember that there are many ways to cooperate, so it does have to be in physical appearance. That's all I'm saying.

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 01:10 PM

COOPERATING = Working together = Trusting each other.Sasuke is like that now because that's the point of Naruto breaking the curse, he will need to make Sasuke to trust others and work together. If you leave Sasuke like he is now nothing will change and in the end it means Naruto failed.

 

Remember what Itachi said? you can't do it all alone.

The thing here is that Sasuke is cooperating with Naruto by what he wants to do on his own, but we know that he's planning for something, and other than that he wants to be Hokage no matter what. Him being Hokage means that he'll return to Konoha for what he decided, but do we know what will happen by the end of this battle ? Naruto will for sure act to what Sasuke is going to do, and to what he planned which he showed us his determination when Sasuke announced that he wants to become Hokage.

 

If Sasuke still has the idea of wanting to restore his clan in the end, he doesn't have to be in Konoha, he could be anywhere. If they want to settle down then maybe he'll be back to Konoha or maybe they'll have their own house outside somewhere.

But, for me, I don't think that this idea will still in his head in the end. I think that if he lives, he'll be a wanderer and just that. If he ever got married maybe they'll have a kid and that's it. 

 

They are already " cooperating ", and Sasuke won't just come back and sits on the Hokage seat that easily. Something will happen by the end of this battle, and I think that the final battle will be about ideals which is related also to the Hokage seat whoever won, or what will be revealed by the end of this battle by Sasuke or about Sasuke will not be about that, but something that Sasuke wants to surprise us.

 

Sasuke will see everything that is right in the end.


Edited by T XD, 06 July 2013 - 01:13 PM.


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 01:14 PM

I don't want things to go back to what it was. When Sasuke left it changed Team 7 forever.

 

He could be what Jiraiya was for Hiruzen. :plots:

 

As long as he is Team 7 by heart. :blush:


Edited by sushi., 06 July 2013 - 01:15 PM.

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 01:15 PM

Yeah I can imagine the difference between them as Hokage.

Naruto: Two elders (forgot the names), let's make Sunday into a nice fun day for job well done.

Sasuke: You elders, get out of my sight and never return. Curfews will happen so everyone will be in order.

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 01:26 PM

The thing here is that Sasuke is cooperating with Naruto by what he wants to do on his own, but we know that he's planning for something, and other than that he wants to be Hokage no matter what. Him being Hokage means that he'll return to Konoha for what he decided, but do we know what will happen by the end of this battle ? Naruto will for sure act to what Sasuke is going to do, and to what he planned which he showed us his determination when Sasuke announced that he wants to become Hokage.

 

If Sasuke still has the idea of wanting restoring his clan in the end, he doesn't have to be in Konoha, he could be anywhere. If they want to settle down then maybe he'll be back to Konoha or maybe they'll have their own house outside somewhere.

But, for me, I don't think that this idea will still in his head in the end. I think that if he lives, he'll be a wanderer and just that. If he ever got married maybe they'll have a kid and that's it. 

 

They are already " cooperating ", and Sasuke won't just come back and sits on the Hokage seat that easily. Something will happen by the end of this battle, and I think that the final battle will be about ideals which is related also to the Hokage seat whoever won, or what will be revealed by the end of this battle by Sasuke or about Sasuke will not be about that, but something that Sasuke wants to surprise us.

 

Sasuke will see everything that is right in the end.

Is there another Uchiha clan somewhere else? I never heard of this, really. :ermm: Oh yeah Sasuke will definitely drop his goals and just do nothing, yep totally it. :th_yeah:

Really? That's news to me. :sweat:

 

@4Life,

 If Sasuke lives, then he will live in village and do his stuff, also accepting help from Naruto and others. I don't even know where the idea "being wanderer" came from, in no way manga indicates that. Sasuke is my favorite character so I have read many many theories with good manga explanations, so I have only two outcomes.  Either he dies and curse of hate disappears, or he lives in Konoha peacefully. But I stick with Sasuke being changed and living in Konoha. :yes:


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