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[Illnevergiveup3]

lol, love is different for everyone. I believe once you truly love someone that will last for life. True love grows stronger over time it shouldn't decrease because then it wasn't true. I truly love one girl for 7 years(the girl in my profile picture) and my love for her grows and changes and matures. I'll always love her no matter what and she's who I want to be with.But like I said love is different for everyone, but to me if you're able to keep falling in love and out of love and all that kitten then that means to me that it ain't true and it's most likely a conditional love. True love is supposed to be unconditonal and it lasts for life. God got that special person for everyone, that person you will love for life.

Edited by Illnevergiveup3, 30 September 2014 - 08:48 PM.

[abloublou]

lol, love is different for everyone. I believe once you truly love someone that will last for life. True love grows stronger over time it shouldn't decrease because then it wasn't true. I truly love one girl for 7 years(the girl in my profile picture) and my love for her grows and changes and matures. I'll always love her no matter what and she's who I want to be with.But like I said love is different for everyone, but to me if you're able to keep falling in love and out of love and all that bullsh** then that means to me that it ain't true. To me true love lasts for life.

this girl didn't try to kill you, and she didn't treat you bad.

When my husband was depressed he was a bit of an unpleasant prick to me, and I could see myself growing less and less fond of him. That said, he managed to get back on his feet and he's back to be the caring pleasant man I can love.

 

Also I used to really like this boy when I was 6, I even confessed and he rejected me. I moved on (it took me 7 years but still... )

That's why I have the biggest difficulties to relate to this manga's fangirls (and fanboys) plight). I could do it, why can't you ?

[Sedna]

lol, love is different for everyone. I believe once you truly love someone that will last for life. True love grows stronger over time it shouldn't decrease because then it wasn't true. I truly love one girl for 7 years(the girl in my profile picture) and my love for her grows and changes and matures. I'll always love her no matter what and she's who I want to be with.But like I said love is different for everyone, but to me if you're able to keep falling in love and out of love and all that bullsh** then that means to me that it ain't true and it's most likely a conditional love. True love is supposed to be unconditonal and it lasts for life.

Yeah, but SasuSaku isn't true love.

[Illnevergiveup3]

this girl didn't try to kill you, and she didn't treat you bad.
When my husband was depressed he was a bit of an unpleasant prick to me, and I could see myself growing less and less fond of him. That said, he managed to get back on his feet and he's back to be the caring pleasant man I can love.
 
Also I used to really like this boy when I was 6, I even confessed and he rejected me. I moved on (it took me 7 years but still... )
That's why I have the biggest difficulties to relate to this manga's fangirls (and fanboys) plight). I could do it, why can't you ?

why can't I what? You trying to tell me to 'move on"? We different people and it's my heart and my choice to not give up on her.And like I said love is different for everyone. I admit me and her ain't even together yet but my love for her grows and I know she's the one, it just ain't the right timing for us to be together. To me she's worth it. And I'm happy to hear you and your husband was able to work things out.

[Illnevergiveup3]

Yeah, but SasuSaku isn't true love.

Lol, I know that I even knew that, I been the one saying that the whole time, but people was biting my head off for it, saying "Sakura-Chan ain't that stupid to not know what true love is and all that crap."

[Gojira]

I prefer Sakura's sister Ruby Crescent over her nowadays honestly

 

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[Sedna]

I prefer Sakura's sister Ruby Crescent over her nowadays honestly
 

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Wtf?

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[Gojira]

Wtf?

She's my Sakura-chan 

Edited by Pepsi, 30 September 2014 - 08:56 PM.

[Sedna]

She's my Sakura-chan 

Are you trying to compare her to Sakura in terms of beauty? HAHA, DONT MAKE ME LAUGH!!! Jk

[Syn11]

She's my Sakura-chan 

I don't want to sound rude, but... perhaps... you should think about finding yourself a real woman. ) I assure you... real women are better in many aspects. Lol. 

Edited by Syn11, 30 September 2014 - 09:15 PM.

[Gojira]

I don't want to sound rude, but... perhaps... you should think about finding yourself a real woman. ) A assure you... real women are better in many aspects. Lol. 

Don't get me wrong I love hearing life changing advice from strangers over the internet but I think you might be taking my post a bit too seriously.

 

 

Are you trying to compare her to Sakura in terms of beauty? HAHA, DONT MAKE ME LAUGH!!! Jk

you're right, poor Sakura doesn't compare 

Edited by Pepsi, 30 September 2014 - 09:14 PM.

[abloublou]

She's my Sakura-chan 

You mean she's your waifu ?

 

Gintoki is my husbando...

 

Is it me or most of the girls in Naruto are more or less like Sakura. Kishi really likes her as he's repeating her, again and again and again.

 

On topic.

Fav NaruSaku moment : When Naruto makes that face when he sees Sakura hugging Sasuke. You can see his hurt and the fact he's willing to ship them together for her sake. And the POAL (even if it was cruel of Sakura to ask Naruto to bring Sasuke back). That's when I understood he was really into her (and I was a NaruHina fan back then).

In part 2 I didn't have that sort fo feels, as Naruto seemed to have gone full gay for Sasuke.

[luffyq1]

I don't want to sound rude, but... perhaps... you should think about finding yourself a real woman. ) A assure you... real women are better in many aspects. Lol. 

I'm considering giving up 2d.

[Syn11]

I think you might be taking my post a bit too seriously.

I was hardly serious too. )))

 

 

I'm considering giving up 2d.

Good for you.

[AHK]

The problem here isn't Kishi's definition of love, it's Kishi's implementation of love at the age he chose. Look at Sakura. She was 12 years old when she arbitrarily "fell in love" with a person that she didn't even have the capacity to understand, nor did she have the knowledge of what it was about him that she "loved". Kishi gave Sakura this misguided ideal of "true love" at the age of 12 for a boy that she was using as a means to get a one up on her friend, the same boy that had never done anything for her, said a nice word to her, or gave her any inkling of kindness. He never treated her in any good way at all, to him she was just there. Yet Kishi allowed this juvenile form of "love-for-popularity" to metastasize into something that is poisonous to Sakura when it shouldn't ever be, all because he repeatedly forces this idea of "true love" on her, when it is anything but that. It's not even qualified to be love, in my opinion, and it may be harsh, but you can't really love somebody that you have no understanding of or that you don't truly know. That is a superficial kind of love that both her, ino and Hinata have in common. And it's kind of sickening to be beaten over the head with it time in and time out.

The superficial type of love that she has for Sasuke is incredibly different than bond that she shares with Naruto, which is why I will never be convinced that Naruto is a second choice, because there was never a first for Sakura. Sakura knows Naruto on a much deeper level, and puts his feelings and well being and happiness above her own, something Naruto reciprocates.

Edited by AHK, 30 September 2014 - 09:46 PM.

[Alessa]

This is a very important post to me, so if you read it and give your opinion, I would appreciate it a lot.
 
I am glad that overall mood has changed because of the RAWs. I was so angry at first, you might remember my posts here. But I've tried to think about this chapter from a different perspective, I tried to find an answer to why Kishi decided to move the plot in this direction. And I actually found one point of view that made sense, that opened to me how beautiful Sakura was in this chapter.
And then the RAWs and Viz came out in a couple of days and strengthened my ideas.
 
I know that a lot of us still think that:
- Sakura’s character somewhat regressed in this chapter.
- Kishimoto has contradicted himself about Sakura's feelings;
- Sakura has no reasons to still love Sasuke and it is strange to see her confess;
- her determined face didn’t match what happened next;
- she still doesn’t see Sasuke for what he truly is;
- Sasuke has mistreated her badly, so it was about time for her to give him a piece of her mind about that;
- Sakura has made a promise to Naruto to bring Sasuke home together and it didn’t happen (and only can in the future) and etc.
 
I don’t think that anymore.

First of all, I do accept that Sakura's confession to Sasuke was very honest. It wasn't her delusion. I do think that this is a new type of love, that is deeper and more personality-oriented, that cherishes Team 7 past more than anything else, but is still love in full sense of the word, as well as romantic. 
 
But I argue that Sakura’s actions in 693 were truly heroic and consistent with her development in 700 chapters. My main point is that Sakura’s unreasonable declaration of love to Sasuke is a manifestation of one of her main strength as a character and as a heroine.
 
Here is why:
 

Why Sakura amazed me

It all has to do with a simple statement made by Kishimoto. He said that during her fake confession to Naruto he wanted to picture Sakura as a heroine, a very honest and very stubborn girl. You know, I never doubted that Sakura’s fake confession to Naruto was a gigantic NS moment, even though Naruto got angry at her. I loved how he saw right through her and didn’t let her to go down that road, because it showed how interested he was in her as a person, how closely he watched her and how he was of such a high opinion of her. Only a person that truly loves can be so perceptive and can become so angry at the other person  in an instant for things that are more confusing than damaging. He couldn’t tolerate a single moment of her not being true to her amazing character. It was more of Naruto’s confession than Sakura’s in my point of view. I reread that moment so many times.

The point is, during her confession to Naruto Sakura was trying to portray herself as a woman who can give up on someone, who’s heart is “as changeable as autumn sky”. And this is a complete LIE about her character, and more than that – a blow to what both Naruto and Kishimoto see as her main good attribute – her stubborn dedication. Naruto didn’t know why Sakura was doing it, so he couldn’t see that this act of self-humiliation was pure dedication from Sakura’s part. To him. Yes, Sakura has a very low opinion of herself, she struggles to see good qualities in herself, so she portrayed herself as shallow and changeable. She doesn’t see herself through Naruto’s eyes, so she completely missed him with that confession.

But why was Sakura honest?  If I were to describe the most obvious traits of Sakura as a heroine, it is her ability to put everything on the line to help her comrades, it is also her desperation to correct all her mistakes and to grow. Her constant crying, so despised by many haters, is not really a sign of weakness. It is more of what a heroine has to offer to her comrades (not that it is the only thing, but it is a unique thing). Kishimoto has shown numerous times how tears are not only a sign of Sakura being emotional, it is also her “investment” – she sheds tears for her comrades and that is the form of supporting them, the form of transferring energy to them. She feels for them strongly and that is what matters the most. (When her "emotions" are not needed by her comrades, she doesn't cry, like when Naruto almost died.)

I believe that 469 and further  chapters have shown us how far this stubborn girl is willing to go in her honest dedication to her precious ones, both Naruto and Sasuke. It all looked ugly at times, but it was actually showing her as a heroine at her finest – it showed the strength of her feelings that she was ready to transform in the ugliest of actions to help her loved ones.

Just like that I think that in the 693 we witnessed Sakura at her finest – the truly stubborn and honest girl we all came to love. If you think about it, there is a big reason for Sakura to love Sasuke – despite his abuse, attempted murders and cruelty. This reason is simple – Sasuke needs her love. Yes, he needs her love to come back.

Sasuke is going farther and farther away. He is almost lost completely. The few things that still connect him to his former self are Naruto, Sakura and Team 7 as a whole. I believe that he could have lost those connections long ago. But he didn’t, because Naruto and Sakura didn’t let him. No matter what he does, they both see the possibility for him to come back, they continue to love him and want him back. If they didn’t, there would actually be no possibility for it to happen. That is just being stubborn. Their dedication seems delusional and unbelievable, but that is what makes it so powerful. If Sakura and Naruto don’t give up on Sasuke no matter what he does, if they still see him as he was and could be, Sasuke himself can’t let go of them completely, can’t forget them and who he was. Until they give up on him, he can’t completely give up on himself either. I strongly believe that this is how both Naruto and Sakura feel. By their own feelings and dedication they keep the road for Sasuke’s return from crumbling.

And that is the reason why Sakura still loves Sasuke. If Naruto’s way to help Sasuke is through understanding and combat, Sakura’s way to help Sasuke is to offer him her unconditional love. I believe that this is the reason why Sasuke said  something along “that’s chains of the past she is feeling”. I agree with Sasuke. Sakura may feel that through her love, just by offering it to him, she connects to the part of him that is associated with unconditional love. And keeps it alive. Sasuke doesn’t believe in love anymore, but he can’t disregard it completely as long as Sakura continues to feel that way (honestly feel that way!) and declare it to him.

That is why I think that Sakura made an unbelievably heroic gesture in 693. She was completely lost, she didn’t see any signs of former Sasuke left. That face she made that was repeated several times was her not being able to recognize former Sasuke any more. How could she feel anything for him at that moment? I bet she asked that herself.

And then she cried. She cried for him in determination. Her tears are her true emotions, her decision to feel something for him and give him her feelings. Her determined face was the determination to continue feeling something for him, because she decided and promised to help him. If she were to give up on her love, if she were to tell him how cruel and abusive he was, she would sever one of the biggest links of Sasuke to his former self – the reality of unconditional love. So she cried for him and confessed. And even if Sasuke acted so cruely by “killing’ her, he can’t forget her words and when Naruto cracks him open, this action from Sakura will resurface and help Naruto bring Sasuke back. She knew she will get hurt, but she did it anyway. How heroic is that?

She remembered that moment when Sasuke thanked her, because at that moment she understood that he needed what she felt for him. Not in a romantic sense, not because he loves her romantically, but because her love connects him to his former self, to the unconditional love he had in his family. As a truly stubborn girl that she is she took that burden upon herself.
If this is how Kishimoto thinks and wants to portray her, then I think that Sakura was shining in this chapter.  She was beautiful.

Just like that I believe that Sakura will love Sasuke until he returns to them. She won't attack him, she won't hate him when she wakes up. This is my bet.

Edited by Alessa, 30 September 2014 - 09:57 PM.

[abloublou]

The fact Sakura still loved Sasuke didn't surprise me. I gave up on my hopes for Sakura giving up on Sasuke a long time ago.

I don't think it hurst NS, as I can picture her loving both boys at the same time, like in many other love triangles. I just count on her to choose the guy who makes her smile and can reciprocate over the one who makes her cry and doesn't love her romantically (though I believe he has a soft spot for here burried deep inside that sea of angst). 

Edited by abloublou, 30 September 2014 - 10:02 PM.

[Syn11]

This is a very important post to me, so if you read it and give your opinion, I would appreciate it a lot.
 
I am glad that overall mood has changed because of the RAWs. I was so angry at first, you might remember my posts here. But I've tried to think about this chapter from a different perspective, I tried to find an answer to why Kishi decided to move the plot in this direction. And I actually found one point of view that made sense, that opened to me how beautiful Sakura was in this chapter.
And then the RAWs and Viz cane out in a couple of days and strengthened my ideas.
 
I know that a lot of us still think that:
- Sakura’s character somewhat regressed in this chapter.
- Kishimoto has contradicted himself about Sakura's feelings;
- Sakura has no reasons to still love Sasuke and it is strange to see her confess;
- her determined face didn’t match what happened next;
- she still doesn’t see Sasuke for what he truly is;
- Sasuke has mistreated her badly, so it was about time for her to give him a piece of her mind about that;
- Sakura has made a promise to Naruto to bring Sasuke home together and it didn’t happen (and only can in the future) and etc.
 
I don’t think that anymore.

First of all, I do accept that Sakura's confession to Sasuke was very honest. It wasn't her delusion. I do think that this is a new type of love, that is deeper and more personality-oriented, that cherishes Team 7 past more than anything else, but is still love in full sense of the word, as well as romantic. 
 
But I argue that Sakura’s actions in 693 were truly heroic and consistent with her development in 700 chapters. My main point is that Sakura’s unreasonable declaration of love to Sasuke is a manifestation of one of her main strength as a character and as a heroine.
 
Here is why:
 

Why Sakura amazed me

It all has to do with a simple statement made by Kishimoto. He said that during her fake confession to Naruto he wanted to picture Sakura as a heroine, a very honest and very stubborn girl. You know, I never doubted that Sakura’s fake confession to Naruto was a gigantic NS moment, even though Naruto got angry at her. I loved how he saw right through her and didn’t let her to go down that road, because it showed how interested he was in her as a person, how closely he watched her and how he was of such a high opinion of her. Only a person that truly loves can be so perceptive and can become so angry at the other person  in an instant for things that are more confusing than damaging. He couldn’t tolerate a single moment of her not being true to her amazing character. It was more of Naruto’s confession than Sakura’s in my point of view. I reread that moment so many times.

The point is, during her confession to Naruto Sakura was trying to portray herself as a woman who can give up on someone, who’s heart is “as changeable as autumn sky”. And this is a complete LIE about her character, and more than that – a blow to what both Naruto and Kishimoto see as her main good attribute – her stubborn dedication. Naruto didn’t know why Sakura was doing it, so he couldn’t see that this act of self-humiliation was pure dedication from Sakura’s part. To him. Yes, Sakura has a very low opinion of herself, she struggles to see good qualities in herself, so she portrayed herself as shallow and changeable. She doesn’t see herself through Naruto’s eyes, so she completely missed him with that confession.

But why was Sakura honest?  If I were to describe the most obvious traits of Sakura as a heroine, it is her ability to put everything on the line to help her comrades, it is also her desperation to correct all her mistakes and to grow. Her constant crying, so despised by many haters, is not really a sign of weakness. It is more of what a heroine has to offer to her comrades (not that it is the only thing, but it is a unique thing). Kishimoto has shown numerous times how tears are not only a sign of Sakura being emotional, it is also her “investment” – she sheds tears for her comrades and that is the form of supporting them, the form of transferring energy to them. She feels for them strongly and that is what matters the most. (When her "emotions" are not needed by her comrades, she doesn't cry, like when Naruto almost died.)

I believe that 469 and further  chapters have shown us how far this stubborn girl is willing to go in her honest dedication to her precious ones, both Naruto and Sasuke. It all looked ugly at times, but it was actually showing her as a heroine at her finest – it showed the strength of her feelings that she was ready to transform in the ugliest of actions to help her loved ones.

Just like that I think that in the 693 we witnessed Sakura at her finest – the truly stubborn and honest girl we all came to love. If you think about it, there is a big reason for Sakura to love Sasuke – despite his abuse, attempted murders and cruelty. This reason is simple – Sasuke needs her love. Yes, he needs her love to come back.

Sasuke is going farther and farther away. He is almost lost completely. The few things that still connect him to his former self are Naruto, Sakura and Team 7 as a whole. I believe that he could have lost those connections long ago. But he didn’t, because Naruto and Sakura didn’t let him. No matter what he does, they both see the possibility for him to come back, they continue to love him and want him back. If they didn’t, there would actually be no possibility for it to happen. That is just being stubborn. Their dedication seems delusional and unbelievable, but that is what makes it so powerful. If Sakura and Naruto don’t give up on Sasuke no matter what he does, if they still see him as he was and could be, Sasuke himself can’t let go of them completely, can’t forget them and who he was. Until they give up on him, he can’t completely give up on himself either. I strongly believe that this is how both Naruto and Sakura feel. By their own feelings and dedication they keep the road for Sasuke’s return from crumbling.

And that is the reason why Sakura still loves Sasuke. If Naruto’s way to help Sasuke is through understanding and combat, Sakura’s way to help Sasuke is to offer him her unconditional love. I believe that this is the reason why Sasuke said  something along “that’s chains of the past she is feeling”. I agree with Sasuke. Sakura may feel that through her love, just by offering it to him, she connects to the part of him that is associated with unconditional love. And keeps it alive. Sasuke doesn’t believe in love anymore, but he can’t disregard it completely as long as Sakura continues to feel that way (honestly feel that way!) and declare it to him.

That is why I think that Sakura made an unbelievably heroic gesture in 693. She was completely lost, she didn’t see any signs of former Sasuke left. That face she made that was repeated several times was her not being able to recognize former Sasuke any more. How could she feel anything for him at that moment? I bet she asked that herself.

And then she cried. She cried for him in determination. Her tears are her true emotions, her decision to feel something for him and give him her feelings. Her determined face was the determination to continue feeling something for him, because she decided and promised to help him. If she were to give up on her love, if she were to tell him how cruel and abusive he was, she would sever one of the biggest links of Sasuke to his former self – the reality of unconditional love. So she cried for him and confessed. And even if Sasuke acted so cruely by “killing’ her, he can’t forget her words and when Naruto cracks him open, this action from Sakura will resurface and help Naruto bring Sasuke back. She knew she will get hurt, but she did it anyway. How heroic is that?

She remembered that moment when Sasuke thanked her, because at that moment she understood that he needed what she felt for him. Not in a romantic sense, not because he loves her romantically, but because her love connects him to his former self, to the unconditional love he had in his family. As a truly stubborn girl that she is she took that burden upon herself.
If this is how Kishimoto thinks and wants to portray her, then I think that Sakura was shining in this chapter.  She was beautiful.

Just like that I believe that Sakura will love Sasuke until he returns to them.

 

Hm... my interpretation differs from yours. ) I made it simple. I tried to place myself in her shoes and wrote a passage in another thread. I don't think that there is so much romance involved. Kishimoto said it through Kakashi. It's more of a family/Team 7 thing.

 

Sakura's apologia from my point of view

Ok. I'll provide a clear example for those who are still confused.

 

Let us suppose that your two close friends are in a feud for some serious reason. What will you do if you can't influence them physically? Will you simply stay on the sidelines and cheer for one of them disregarding the other? Are you sure? Or will you feel distraught over their inevitable fight and try to stop it because both of them (those two who mean so much to you) may get hurt? Let's choose the second option for now. Will you address the initiator or the other party? It is logical to try and sway the initiator, isn't it? Because the other friend won't change his or her mind if the fisrt one doesn't. Back to the initiator. How can you influence him/her if you have neither power, nor any logical reasoning that might work? You plea with him/her! You try to reach his/her heart deeply by using the notion that this fight is killing you as well... and if he/she cares about you, he/she will change the decision. So there is nothing... I repeat, nothing wrong about Sakura's act. Kakashi didn't even try, but Sakura had to try because her heart was being ripped just by the mere thought. Did she have to endure so much only to lose her precious people in the end? No (and we get one furious and desperate Sakura-chan). That is why romance is not the topic of Sakura's speech. By the way, she could have resorted to something more drastic and threaten to kill herself. But we're speaking about manga for teens, so Kishimoto can't actually use this kind of move.

Edited by Syn11, 30 September 2014 - 10:10 PM.

[Gojira]

Actually now that I think about SasuKarin it reminds me so much of JioMei. (ofcourse this pairing became null the second Ruby returned)

 

In fact Hinata RTN is like a hardcore version of Mei from 666 Satan. 

Edited by Pepsi, 30 September 2014 - 11:53 PM.

[Syn11]

What Disney songs do you associate with NS?

 

My choice

"Hercules" makes a good parallel...

Sakura about Naruto and Sasuke (a little bit). I especially like this "He's the earth and heaven to you"

 

Naruto

Edited by Syn11, 01 October 2014 - 12:13 AM.