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[TouKen4Life3g]

I have to agree. No one got their goals and just made a new one for Gaiden sake. Nothing wrong with that but the way Kishi pulled it off felt meaningless. It's a waste.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Statement: One of the problems of the series is the introduction of many new characters in part 2. The reason is because the old cast were plenty with established backstory and potential that hasn't been unlocked. Because of new characters in part 2, such as Sai and Yamato, many of them distract part 1 introduced characters to get any spotlight as well as characters including new ones being used as a "character of an arc." In other words, use for one arc, disposable for the next.

Agree or disagree?

[Bail o' Lies]

Honestly, he barely did anything with the people introduced in the chunin exam. Say what you will about people in part two. They at least played their role and did their part before they faded out into the background.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 04 March 2016 - 11:24 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Honestly, he barely did anything with the people introduced in the chunin exam. Say what you will about people in part two. They at least played their role and did their part before they faded out into the background.

But that's the thing. He made those characters in Chuunin Exam with a thoughout mindset. It's not to say they're amazing, but they have a ground to stand on. The last arc of part 1 pretty much gave people hopes of "side characters do have legs to go." Then part 2 happened and they get ignored. Even part 2 introduced ones like Sai, Yamato, Team Taka, and so on.

[Nate River]

Statement: One of the problems of the series is the introduction of many new characters in part 2. The reason is because the old cast were plenty with established backstory and potential that hasn't been unlocked. Because of new characters in part 2, such as Sai and Yamato, many of them distract part 1 introduced characters to get any spotlight as well as characters including new ones being used as a "character of an arc." In other words, use for one arc, disposable for the next.

Agree or disagree?

Agree.

Sai is defensible in that the general rule for the universe was three man cells. While I don't think anyone would have said anything had they just gone with two, it was consistent with universe rules and he did serve a plot point. Yamato, didn't harm anything, but probably could have been excluded.

It wasn't until later after the second arc where he lost control. He generally was new plot point = new character. Probably, post Pein arc is where it really was a problem. We got to meet the Kages and their henchman, who all got almost not development and help totally screw up the series central theme. The Edo Tensei's....holy crap, that was really a mess.

About Team Taka: Her sensory was really useful for chronically Sasuke's descent. I think it might be worth asking if we needed that because we could see his fall for ourselves. Or was he too much of an kitten that Kishimoto feared it'd just look like more of the same?

[Bail o' Lies]

"I think it might be worth asking if we needed that because we could see his fall for ourselves. Or was he too much of an kitten that Kishimoto feared it'd just look like more of the same? "

 

Honestly with Sasuke turning evil, going crazy, just brooding, obsessed with revenge, and a lot of other emotions look the same on him. He doesn't have a lot of expressional range especially in part two. So it was kind of needed just to tell the readers "no really, now he's jumping off the slippery slope."

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 05 March 2016 - 02:02 AM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

I Wrote Sasuke off as a lost cause as soon as he left the village... ( oh poor foolish me...if only I had known the awaiting horrors...)

It was already established In Cano. That defectors from their village were sentenced to death during the bridge arc...but as always Sasuke used special snow flake jutsu.


It Was very effective.

[BlackBird19]

I agree. Had he pulled back on the world building and intro of new characters during pt2, he might not have lost sight of his plot so easily and kept the story moving. Therefore saving us from what happened.  

[Gaara's hair]

Agree Gorilla. He made too many characters.

[Advaith]

Statement: In hindsight, Sasuke/Sai Arc was practically a meaningless arc for Team 7.

Agree or disagree?

Agree

 

The only good part was the stuff with Naruto and Sakura at the bridge

Statement: Hinata is the most overrated character in the series.

Agree or disagree?

Do u even want to ask this one

 

Agree

 

But Sasuke is also the most overrated character of the series.This whole manga should be renamed to sasuke.

 

But after considering a lot of points from both sides like sasuke being a main character while hinata was a side character,sasuke was treated like gold,given everything,allowed to do anything without any consequences,the whole story is about him and u even have the said main character running after him the entire manga and making him his most important goal.The story and everything is about sasuke so he is the most overrated character in the series,but at the same time it also makes him relevant not useless and irrelevant like hinata the secondary character which on the other hand contributed nothing to the story,was barely there.Take her out of the story and nothing changes,BUT she had a crazy and big fandom which led to changing the ending of the manga(most important thing in a manga) and had a dedicated movie solely for her.In that movie,she managed to destroy the very foundation of the manga(chapter 1 naruto and the shadow clone part) and many other foundation parts where she destroyed,turned people into her supporters like shikamaru turned out.Turned people into liars,scumbags,ooc,made the entire manga useless and non canon(if u know what i mean)in one single movie.She even took sasuke out of the picture in the movie,u all remember his screen time in that movie.She is the reason that blasted hamura and kaguya exist in the manga,she even remade the manga coz of fanbase and popularity alone so she had the power of sasuke now ie to influence the manga's story and put her elements into it,her blasted movie is also one of the reasons why the final sasuke vs naruto fight in VOTE was reduced to five chapters,why everything was rushed,it was for the promotion of the last the manga to finish in time so the movie could come in one month etc.Whereas it took 15 years for sasuke to do the damage slowly and increasingly,hinata and her fanbase destroyed everything single handedly within short amount of time.

 

Therefore when it comes to overrated i say hinata and sasuke are both overrated characters in the series.Both destroyed the manga

Statement: One of the main problems of female characters is the fact they never left a strong positive impression, ending with a whimper or something that the negative outweigh the positive such as Sakura's seal power-up to begging, Tsunade's girl power segment against Madara to lose badly, and so on.
 
Agree or disagree?

Agree

 

There are no female characters in this series that ended with a positive impression.

 

Statement: Team Taka was really not needed in the long run.

Agree or disagree.

Agree and disagree

 

Could have added something but didn't.

 

Statement: One of the problems of the series is the introduction of many new characters in part 2. The reason is because the old cast were plenty with established backstory and potential that hasn't been unlocked. Because of new characters in part 2, such as Sai and Yamato, many of them distract part 1 introduced characters to get any spotlight as well as characters including new ones being used as a "character of an arc." In other words, use for one arc, disposable for the next.

Agree or disagree?

Agree

 

He made too many new characters in part two.

[Nami]

Statement: One of the problems of the series is the introduction of many new characters in part 2. The reason is because the old cast were plenty with established backstory and potential that hasn't been unlocked. Because of new characters in part 2, such as Sai and Yamato, many of them distract part 1 introduced characters to get any spotlight as well as characters including new ones being used as a "character of an arc." In other words, use for one arc, disposable for the next.

Agree or disagree?

 

Absolutely agree. I'm usually not a fan of series that have a lot of important characters because the ones I like never get developed enough and I can't stand having to put up with long arcs for characters I don't particularly like. There were already a lot of characters way back in Part I, but Kishi managed to balance everything out until Part II. It just got worse and worse. It was a running joke for a while that Kishi forgot how many characters he had in one scene because he would literally forget to draw some of them for several chapters.

 

Having said that, I don't really think Sai was problematic. I really liked him and he did set a lot of things in motion and strengthened the team in more ways than one. But Yamato, yeah, even Kishi forgot about him pretty soon.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I just think Sai get sidelined too often. Even in Kage Summit Arc, he hyped up the behind the scene of Anbu Root and what do we get? "Oh I'll explain later, now that Danzou is gone..." That's it? "I'm Team 7...." But never follow up on it.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

I think it's difficult in general to choose which chars were necessary/good and which ones should have been fodder because there were really too many with too much string attached to them.

Thus the mess we got. The plot did not move the characters, the characters moved the plot.

New characters had to be introduced because Kisha had no idea how to "resolve" things without them.

[rocci]

That's why kishi need to just focus on his main characters and not playing favoritism, because that's what hurt his narative the most.

Supporting characters conflict need to be solved and don't be left hanging in the darkness.

@touken
That's why I equate him and Yamato with team taka because they are expy that don't really bring anything to the plot.

Edited by rocci, 07 March 2016 - 10:02 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, I of course agree. He had it but then he kept going elsewhere. Then, decided to overly praise a non-protagonist. I don't get it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Statement: Kabuto has said that Uzumaki have red hair, thus making Karin as one. In hindsight, it's practically meaningless and asspull.

Agree or disagree?

[rocci]

Statement: Kabuto has said that Uzumaki have red hair, thus making Karin as one. In hindsight, it's practically meaningless and asspull.

Agree or disagree?

Does it make garra uzumaki too?

I don't think it's an asspull. I think it make her much more interesting.
It make her has good background like that next mist swordsman and the origin of curse seal.

Too bad it doesn't lead to anything.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Does it make garra uzumaki too?

I don't think it's an asspull. I think it make her much more interesting.
It make her has good background like that next mist swordsman and the origin of curse seal.

Too bad it doesn't lead to anything.

In hindsight, it feels like an asspull or more towards to meaningless. I mean it led to nothing and it only gave one trump card to Karin when the time is needed, which was that moment. Other than that, what we got? Nothing. Asspull, well I guess it's because the red hair excuse. It does sound rather tacked on just to say "See that person? An Uzumaki. Why? Because of hair." I'm sure there are ways to make it reasonable but Kishi just throw a bone and call it a job well done.

Edited by TouKen4Life3g, 07 March 2016 - 11:12 PM.

[rocci]

@touken
I agree with you. I think it just fun to guess where it will go. You can make her interact with naruto considering how she's his clan member and make naruto learn about his own clan and their jutsu. I mean what's the point of making them specialist in sealing jutsu if not for naruto use. I think it just like sakura genjutsu potential which is only a potential.
That just show you how bad kishi writing.

Speaking of clan, where's senju whereabout?
I mean does it goes extinct?

[TouKen4Life3g]

@touken
I agree with you. I think it just fun to guess where it will go. You can make her interact with naruto considering how she's his clan member and make naruto learn about his own clan and their jutsu. I mean what's the point of making them specialist in sealing jutsu if not for naruto use. I think it just like sakura genjutsu potential which is only a potential.
That just show you how bad kishi writing.

Speaking of clan, where's senju whereabout?
I mean does it goes extinct?

No, Sakura's genjutsu was just pure bad writing. From the start, that's her specialty, yet nothing out of it. Nothing. That's just poor.

Senju just went away because once they learned the massive BS that Uchiha's love is far superior than theirs leading them to be stronger, they just quit and disappeared.

Edited by TouKen4Life3g, 07 March 2016 - 11:20 PM.