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[sushi.]

as long as there aren't any refugees there

course not

Ok I have to edit because a video about this was just released XDD I don't think it was funny at all, but they actually said put sweden last lol I wouldnt expect anything less
https://youtu.be/yKSyYWQePlY

Edited by sushi., 11 February 2017 - 12:58 AM.

[totherpage95]

 

I loved president obama too but I can't say I have a cardboard replica to salute 

[alexander]

Hahaha, I love how he finished with a backhanded comment. CNN sure has seen better days....

[sushi.]

Hahaha, I love how he finished with a backhanded comment. CNN sure has seen better days....

Which event was this? A lot has happened.

[alexander]

Which event was this? A lot has happened.

 

It was a Trump rally at Melbourne, Florida. 50K people or so attended.

[AHK]

How sad it is that you have to hold a campaign style rally just a month into a presidency that is largely seen as chaotic and unstable. Good lord.

[sushi.]

How sad it is that you have to hold a campaign style rally just a month into a presidency that is largely seen as chaotic and unstable. Good lord.

I read it's because he feels like he has to talk to his audience directly because - fake news!

 

The guy who hasn't said a true word in two years

[alexander]

How sad it is that you have to hold a campaign style rally just a month into a presidency that is largely seen as chaotic and unstable. Good lord.

 

What else do you expect? The media, celebrities and teachers are overwhelmingly against Trump. Now they spread hysteria about him and everyone goes crazy. 

[sushi.]

 

What else do you expect? The media, celebrities and teachers are overwhelmingly against Trump. Now they spread hysteria about him and everyone goes crazy. 

But the attacks aren't personal. No one is inherently against anyone. It's because the current president is a kittening meme. Because he breaks constitutional law by banning people based on ethnisity, hilariously threatens to take a court to court, makes up muslim terrorist attacks while he turns a blind eye to white terrorists, etcetc. He's giving people a lot to be against. If he could just shut down his unsecured twitter he wouldn't be the whole world's laughing stock.

[alexander]

But the attacks aren't personal. No one is inherently against anyone. It's because the current president is a kittening meme. Because he breaks constitutional law by banning people based on ethnisity, hilariously threatens to take a court to court, makes up muslim terrorist attacks while he turns a blind eye to white terrorists, etcetc. He's giving people a lot to be against. If he could just shut down his unsecured twitter he wouldn't be the whole world's laughing stock.

 

His so called insecure twitter seems to be overwhelmingly popular, considering the ammount of retwets that each of his posts get.

 

*sigh* really? More identity politics? First of all, he is not banning anyone based on ethnical background. Was that the case, how come 85% of the islamic population still gets to travel to america despite the ban? And also, gaining citzenship to a different country is, and aways will be a privilege, not a right. No one is owned entrance anywere, ever. The american constitution works for the american people, and these immigrants are not americans. Thus, Trump has done nothing that can be considered incostitutional.

And what terrorism are you talking about? The guy that shot up a mosque at Canada? How is that Trump's problem exactly, especially considering his oposition has been doing exactly the same thing for religious motivated terrorist attacks, that are numbered by the HUNDREDS?

[sushi.]

 

His so called insecure twitter seems to be overwhelmingly popular, considering the ammount of retwets that each of his posts get.

 

*sigh* really? More identity politics? First of all, he is not banning anyone based on ethnical background. Was that the case, how come 85% of the islamic population still gets to travel to america despite the ban? And also, gaining citzenship to a different country is, and aways will be a privilege, not a right. No one is owned entrance anywere, ever. The american constitution works for the american people, and these immigrants are not americans. Thus, Trump has done nothing that can be considered incostitutional.

And what terrorism are you talking about? The guy that shot up a mosque at Canada? How is that Trump's problem exactly, especially considering his oposition has been doing exactly the same thing for religious motivated terrorist attacks, that are numbered by the HUNDREDS?

Islam is not an ethnisity and the middle east isn't the region with most muslims. Those who could still travel have either gotten help or is from a country he has business ties with. The ban is based on ethnisity of 7 countries, because even people with passport from let's say France were detained if they were originally from one of those countries. Even a former prime minister from my country was detained because he visited Iran during a human rights conference. So it's very much based on ethnicity and even the smallest tie to those countries. And not all of those countries have a presence of ISIS, such as Iran, but Lebanon does. Answer me why has he only banned those 7 countries? To me they just feel cherrypicked..they have little in common besides having tons of muslims. They also have a smaller trackrecord of attacking the US than f.ex Saudi and UAE. Trump has said on tape he wants to ban all muslims, but he's just banning people from countries who've never or barely attacked Americans. The 9/11 perpetrators for instance were from Egypt, UAE, Saudi, Lebanon, none of the countries whom are banned.

 

The constitution doesn't just protect citizens. That makes no sense. If the law that says one cannot ban anyone from the country based on ethnicity, it wouldn't be much useful if it only worked for citizens..right? That's the main reason he's having such a hard time with federal judges, and why some states have managed to open their borders for people from the banned countries. Because the ban is in fact illegal in various ways.

 

http://m.dailykos.co...ans-3-Muslims-0

These are things I'm talking about. He made up 3 attacks while 3 people were actually arrested. Now these weren't as serious as there were no deaths, but that's just within a week. If he cares about fake attacks that happened in Sweden why not care for Canada?

 

Now which attacks by his opposition are you talking about?

Edited by sushi., 21 February 2017 - 02:45 AM.

[alexander]

Islam is not an ethnisity and the middle east isn't the region with most muslims. Those who could still travel have either gotten help or is from a country he has business ties with. The ban is based on ethnisity of 7 countries, because even people with passport from let's say France were detained if they were originally from one of those countries. Even a former prime minister from my country was detained because he visited Iran during a human rights conference. So it's very much based on ethnicity and even the smallest tie to those countries. And not all of those countries have a presence of ISIS, such as Iran, but Lebanon does. Answer me why has he only banned those 7 countries? To me they just feel cherrypicked..they have little in common besides having tons of muslims. They also have a smaller trackrecord of attacking the US than f.ex Saudi and UAE. Trump has said on tape he wants to ban all muslims, but he's just banning people from countries who've never or barely attacked Americans. The 9/11 perpetrators for instance were from Egypt, UAE, Saudi, Lebanon, none of the countries whom are banned.

 

The constitution doesn't just protect citizens. That makes no sense. If the law that says one cannot ban anyone from the country based on ethnicity, it wouldn't be much useful if it only worked for citizens..right? That's the main reason he's having such a hard time with federal judges, and why some states have managed to open their borders for people from the banned countries. Because the ban is in fact illegal in various ways.

 

http://m.dailykos.co...ans-3-Muslims-0

These are things I'm talking about. He made up 3 attacks while 3 people were actually arrested. Now these weren't as serious as there were no deaths, but that's just within a week. If he cares about fake attacks that happened in Sweden why not care for Canada?

 

Now which attacks by his opposition are you talking about?

 

I don't know, how about the truck attacks in France, Germany, the shootings in Paris, the bombing in Hungary, knifes attack in Germany, a shooting at a german mall, a French priest that had his throat slit? and I'm not even touching the rapes and other petty crimes yet. The Trump opposition, namely the liberal elite, turn a blind eye to all these attacks and report them as little as they can, while still vindicating that there is nothing wrong with islamic society, and somehow they will leave all their bigotry the moment they cross the borders to a first world country? They all treat these attacks as isolated incidents.

 

And do you know who created this ban? Yours truly, mr Obama and his administration.In fact, you can inform yourself more about it in this video:  

 

In fact, this ban affects countries that are considered hot beds for forming terrorists, so Trump actions are not actually illegal, as the Obama administration first created the concept for this ban in fear that these countries could bring terrorists to america. Trump is not breaking the law by taking precautions that will keep the american people safe. You are claming this is an ethnical ban, but I don't believe it. this is surely more then just skin color and such other trivialities.

[totherpage95]

i read trump had cabin fever he usually goes to restaurants and socializes more than he is allowed to do as president so he got away from being president by holding a 2020 campaign in advance lol

[totherpage95]

 

I don't know, how about the truck attacks in France, Germany, the shootings in Paris, the bombing in Hungary, knifes attack in Germany, a shooting at a german mall, a French priest that had his throat slit? and I'm not even touching the rapes and other petty crimes yet. The Trump opposition, namely the liberal elite, turn a blind eye to all these attacks and report them as little as they can, while still vindicating that there is nothing wrong with islamic society, and somehow they will leave all their bigotry the moment they cross the borders to a first world country? They all treat these attacks as isolated incidents.

 

And do you know who created this ban? Yours truly, mr Obama and his administration.In fact, you can inform yourself more about it in this video:  

 

In fact, this ban affects countries that are considered hot beds for forming terrorists, so Trump actions are not actually illegal, as the Obama administration first created the concept for this ban in fear that these countries could bring terrorists to america. Trump is not breaking the law by taking precautions that will keep the american people safe. You are claming this is an ethnical ban, but I don't believe it. this is surely more then just skin color and such other trivialities.

obama stopped some visas from being issued temporarily he did not stop all travellers from the countries from entering the us and he did not make any executive order that prioritized christians entering the country over muslims. It's so obvious what trump did he isn't very subtle... his own advisor went on fox news and said he wanted to make a muslim ban and needed a legal way of doing it because the muslim ban is illegal so trump wants to violate the constitution he swore to uphold. not to mention steve bannon the one giving the orders relating to the ban was telling border patrol to stop people with green cards which was illegal and the border patrol had to let them in anyway. also why is your answer to everything going on the internet and finding a youtube video when this issue has been talked about with so many people and judges? how about actually talking to someone about it you can't learn everything from youtube (or fox news)

Edited by totherpage95, 21 February 2017 - 05:20 AM.

[alexander]

obama stopped some visas from being issued temporarily he did not stop all travellers from the countries from entering the us and he did not make any executive order that prioritized christians entering the country over muslims. It's so obvious what trump did he isn't very subtle... his own advisor went on fox news and said he wanted to make a muslim ban and needed a legal way of doing it because the muslim ban is illegal so trump wants to violate the constitution he swore to uphold. not to mention steve bannon the one giving the orders relating to the ban was telling border patrol to stop people with green cards which was illegal and the border patrol had to let them in anyway. also why is your answer to everything going on the internet and finding a youtube video when this issue has been talked about with so many people and judges? how about actually talking to someone about it you can't learn everything from youtube (or fox news)

 

Maybe because christians are an terribly persecuted group in middle east? I can't imagine why Trump would want to prioritize them. It's clear the muslims need aid first, so helpless wrecking their own countries...

And I post videos when I believe they help make my point across. If you don't like it, too bad. If I find one that can add to the conversation at hand, I will. And if I believe I can just debate the issue directly, I will make sure to do so. And I don't watch fox news. It's better to inform myself from more objective new sources that are not afraid to expose the hard facts. 

[AHK]

 

What else do you expect? The media, celebrities and teachers are overwhelmingly against Trump. Now they spread hysteria about him and everyone goes crazy. 

Considering that he doesn't really do much but lie nowadays, it's not really "spreading hysteria". He just needs to get his kitten in a row before he talks, and then maybe people would hear him out.

 

As it stands now, he has meandered about with no idea what the hell he's doing. 

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Considering that he doesn't really do much but lie nowadays, it's not really "spreading hysteria". He just needs to get his kitten in a row before he talks, and then maybe people would hear him out.

 

As it stands now, he has meandered about with no idea what the hell he's doing. 

The latest meme going around being that it's been 30 days since he was inaugurated, but there's no ultimate plan for defeating ISIS like he said there would be within that time, lol.

[sushi.]

alexander; I found the video interesting but I don't think it argues for your point.
 
Anyhow, the ones attacking Europe right now isn't "Trump's opposition". And, your examples are mostly invalid. The guy who run over people with a truck in Paris was from Tunisia, not a banned country. Unknown origins of those who slit the priest's throat, but one of them grew up in the US. The knife attacker in Germany was from Pakistan, not banned either, and it was concluded that he had no terrorist ties. Police didn't find links to terrorism with the Hungary bombing either, and ISIS usually takes credit for their attacks on their own. You should check your facts before coming with #fakenews. These are easy things to find out and all it showed me was that Trump's ban is simplistic and will not protect anyone.
 
Either way, Trump shouldn't pass laws based on incidents alone. Statistics need to be reviewed. The fact that he took Obama's list and just banned everyone from there, instead of investigating himself says a lot. The world's laziest president took a vacation less than two weeks in his office, while Obama took a night out with his wife after 4 months and got pestered for it.
 
You say the constitution is meant to protect citizens, but the ban didn't protect immigrant citizens at all. American citizens from the 7 banned countries that were on vacation, were also denied entry, into their own country. Because they were descended from one of the 7 countries. Tell me how it's not an ethnical ban.
 
Write back to me when you bring evidence. You refuse to tell me how this is not an ethnical ban or why more dangerous countries are left alone. Right now you're just opposing federal judges because in your own words you refuse to believe it. That's not good enough for me.

Oh and, don't you see the hypocrisy in blaming Islam for muslim terrorists and not blaming Trump for those who commit terrorism in his name? Islam who is a religion and not a conscious being like Trump? White terrorism is as much of a movement as islamic terrorism, and a currently killing a lot more people in the Americas.

Edited by sushi., 21 February 2017 - 11:46 PM.

[AHK]

alexander; I found the video interesting but I don't think it argues for your point.
 
Anyhow, the ones attacking Europe right now isn't "Trump's opposition". And, your examples are mostly invalid. The guy who run over people with a truck in Paris was from Tunisia, not a banned country. Unknown origins of those who slit the priest's throat, but one of them grew up in the US. The knife attacker in Germany was from Pakistan, not banned either, and it was concluded that he had no terrorist ties. Police didn't find links to terrorism with the Hungary bombing either, and ISIS usually takes credit for their attacks on their own. You should check your facts before coming with #fakenews. These are easy things to find out and all it showed me was that Trump's ban is simplistic and will not protect anyone.
 
Either way, Trump shouldn't pass laws based on incidents alone. Statistics need to be reviewed. The fact that he took Obama's list and just banned everyone from there, instead of investigating himself says a lot. The world's laziest president took a vacation less than two weeks in his office, while Obama took a night out with his wife after 4 months and got pestered for it.
 
You say the constitution is meant to protect citizens, but the ban didn't protect immigrant citizens at all. American citizens from the 7 banned countries that were on vacation, were also denied entry, into their own country. Because they were descended from one of the 7 countries. Tell me how it's not an ethnical ban.
 
Write back to me when you bring evidence. You refuse to tell me how this is not an ethnical ban or why more dangerous countries are left alone. Right now you're just opposing federal judges because in your own words you refuse to believe it. That's not good enough for me.
Oh and, don't you see the hypocrisy in blaming Islam for muslim terrorists and not blaming Trump for those who commit terrorism in his name? Islam who is a religion and not a conscious being like Trump? White terrorism is as much of a movement as islamic terrorism, and a currently killing a lot more people in the Americas.

Honestly, statements like the bold are part of the reason why I view the media as a failure in large part. It seems that you don't have a clear idea about what Terrorism actually is. Not your fault, because it's the media's responsibility to check and inform the population. What your statement demonstrates here is that the media has failed in one of its core responsibilities.

The people you're talking about committing crimes on behalf of Trump are not participating in terrorism, they're committing hate crimes. There is a clear difference that the media has failed to impress upon people. The way "white terrorism" is used today is a way to demonize whites and perpetuate the idea of the "white devil", which is an idea rampant in today's society.

Do whites participate in terrorism? Yes. Are the morons meandering about burning mosques to the ground terrorists? No.

The latest meme going around being that it's been 30 days since he was inaugurated, but there's no ultimate plan for defeating ISIS like he said there would be within that time, lol.

There doesn't seem to be a plan for anything, tbh.

Edited by AHK, 22 February 2017 - 06:51 PM.

[sushi.]

I half-agree? The way I see it terrorism means someone committing violent acts in the name of an idea slash ideology. I agree the religious terrorism and white supremacy acts are not the same type, but I think they both go under the same umbrella. Someone in 2011 went to a youth camp where I live and killed people because he hates Islam and immigrants, everyone here calls him a terrorist. It's a hate crime, but it's also terrorism. Not all recent hate-crimes in Trump's name have been terrorist attacks of course, but I'd say bombing a mosque is. That's a political statement.

 

But I didn't make that argument because I wanted to use the word terrorist against white people, but because swiping one group under one carpet but not another is wrong.